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 vlad dracul
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Seamist
Good to see you back missus. Anyway............

"I always liked Margaret Thatcher....until I visited Wales for a month and listened to an entire different story."

The only good thing i can say about thatcher is she stuck to her guns. Although millions of us suffered because of that. The battle of orgreave was the defining moment that the working class were beaten...............

"As for those "Shermans" who were just getting by and had nothing to lose were the uneducated and stupid,"

Now see i find that remark as rather bitter. Do you include ALL shermans of any persuasion or only poor white voters? When we see telly shows over here about run down black areas are they also uneducated and stupid?.......

"for the most part and he appealed to them on the same level as when a crow sees a shiny thing. And if Trump can be elected because he's such a pig, I'm thinking that it wouldn't take much to get Tucker Carlson elected either."

So why did the democrats not try and appeal to those citizens? It was a simple choice. Someone who said what they wanted to hear versus someone who didn't care if they lived or died..................

"Countries like Canada like trade agreements but we're friendly that way and take people at their word. Our government signed TPP. We didn't gain much or lose much when we signed the new NAFTA deal and all it really did was give a name change to appease the Toddler in Chief."

Well the eu made a trade agreement with canada but of course voters were never asked about it. And it was not a good deal for european citizens..............

"The Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (Ceta) is ostensibly a deal between the EU and Canada. You might ask what harm Canada could do us.

But it allows any corporation that operates there, wherever its headquarters might be, to sue governments before an international tribunal. It threatens to tear down laws protecting us from exploitation and prevent parliaments on both sides of the Atlantic from legislating."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/06/transatlantic-trade-partnership-ttip-canada-eu

The eu has ANOTHER anti worker trade deal with the japanese...............

"the European Union and the Japanese government have been negotiating a deep and comprehensive trade agreement which would cover a third of the world's GDP. The 18th round of negotiations took place in Tokyo in December 2016, and whilst the negotiations might come to a close soon, on the EU side, the mandate given to the negotiators is still not public, and on the Japanese side, secrecy is total.

Neither most parliamentarians in EU member states and in Japan, nor European and Japanese civil society organisations and trade unions know the content of the discussions. Nor have they seen draft chapters or been consulted. We condemn this opacity."
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170321/10205236969/jefta-latest-massive-trade-deal-youve-never-heard-negotiated-behind-closed-doors-with-zero-public-scrutiny.shtml?_gobeta=true

Can you maybe understand a wee bit now why citizens are pissed off? A trade deal that no one had access to. Carried out by people who were never elected by eu citizens. That leads nicely onto brexit............


"And what WILL happen regarding Brexit? I listened to Tony Blair about a month ago and I know you never liked him, but he suggested another referendum as now the people are far more aware of what their decision will cost them."

First of tony blair is despised in the uk. He is a war criminal in many citizens eyes. He is though an asset to brexit.

Ah the 'peoples' vote (they don't call it a referendum). The 'people' that they never bothered their arses about until we voted brexit.

We had a referendum. The largest EVER vote in uk history. We voted leave. We had the neo liberal globalists reeling in shock. Citizens were told they were stupid, uneducated, racists etc etc etc. (Sound familiar?)

But that was then. Now we are the 'people' who should vote again. The eu has previous for bullying nations who do not toe the brussels line.

The European central bank, the european court of justice and the international monetary fund made nations implement austerity measures. All three run by unelected apparatchiks.

European citizens especially in southern europe were punished big time. I think greece, italy, spain and portugal have nearly 50% youth unemployment. And all down to decisions made by unelected arseholes in brussels.

I'm half expecting brexit to be sabotaged. 17.4 million voters told that their vote did not count.

And still globalists recoil when citizens lend their votes to right/left wing political parties.

Oh and Gooooooooaaaaaaallllllll
 BaldwinMotionPhaseIII
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Posted: 3/13/2019 10:27:31 AM
"So why did the democrats not try and appeal to those citizens? "

>>>good question. since HRC won the popular vote and the dems got the House, either they did appeal to those citizens, or those citizens are in a minority that needs the electoral college in order to win an election. except the Senate does not have an electoral college, but maybe gerrymandering did the trick. as i posted before, the new Dems in the House may just represent the working class...but perhaps not the one with white male privilege. but there's always trickle down policy, right?
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/13/2019 10:35:20 AM
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Vlad, thanks for the articles. i especially loved this paragraph you missed :)

"Since 1994 when Ronald Reagan's vision and Bill Clinton's new Democrat promise to sign NAFTA was delivered, trade across borders in North America has almost quadrupled from roughly $290 billion in 1993 to more than $1.1 trillion in 2016, according to the Council on Foreign Relations, This has been one of the great bipartisan economic successes of modern times. Voting down USMCA would weaken the entire North American continent as we compete for continued supremacy against the European Union and the Asian tigers. "

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2019/february/the-fate-of-trumps-usmca-trade-deal-where-did-all-those-pro-trade-democrats-go

Nope i read the whole article. I shall also read the links you provided. And do you think canadian taxpayers were over joyed when canada had to pay untold millions of dollars when american companies sued them in secret courts?

And do you not think that the trade deals will be looked at after so many years rather than being tied forever?

As i said i will look at the links you put up.

Surely mexican workers will benefit from rules being put in place regarding minimum wages and trade union representation will they not?

And see the trade figures used in the article how much of that money ended up in american workers pockets?

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Senate does not have an electoral college, but maybe gerrymandering did the trick. as i posted before, the new Dems in the House may just represent the working class...but perhaps not the one with white male privilege. but there's always trickle down policy, right?

Fvck me thats a belter. You mean those priveleged white men living in trailers? Or the ones sleeping rough? Or the ones on zero hour contracts?

Thats some privilege they have eh?

And ive never advocated trickle down economics. But yous keep voting for folk who embrace trickle down economics.

Must be your white privilege.

 Seamist474
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Vlad, I do agree that both parties in the US did not put the best people forward to choose from to be POTUS. Hillary was no prize and how Trump ever made it through to actually be the leader of the Republicans still amazes me. He is a disgusting human being, IMO.

As for the new NAFTA, its agreed upon in principal and has not yet been passed in either country. Mexico, for example, has a new President since this agreement was all "lets shake hands and smile". The tariffs put in place on damn near every country by Trump has a lot of countries around the world pissed off at him . So much for the "art of the deal".

What is your take on what will happen with Brexit?

As for referendums, they are worse generally than elections in that only about 65% are prepared to put down their pint and turn off the tv and go vote. So usually about 30% make a decision for all. Other than in the US.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/13/2019 11:39:15 AM
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"What is your take on what will happen with Brexit?"

I have no faith whatsoever in ANY of our politicians. They are like headless chickens just now.
I would have liked westmonster to tell Brussels that we are leaving on WTO rules.

Yous are getting no £40 BILLION from UK tax payers.

The uk is a net contributor to Brussels. The money sent every week to Brussels should be spent in the UK and trying to sort out the social problems we have....

"As for referendums, they are worse generally than elections in that only about 65% are prepared to put down their pint and turn off the tv and go vote. So usually about 30% make a decision for all. Other than in the US."

The largest ever democratic vote in UK history. Those who could not be arsed voting have no say in it at all.

The MAJORITY of citizens voted leave. If the result is not implemented then what is the point in voting at any other time?.........

"Britons turned out in huge numbers to vote on their future in the European Union, with 72.2 per cent of registered voters casting their ballots in Thursday's referendum, the Electoral Commission said.

"Counting Officers have verified that a total of 33,568,184 ballot papers will be included in the count for the referendum. Based on a confirmed electorate of 46,500,001, turnout at the referendum was 72.2 percent," the watchdog said."

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So I read the links you put up. The Forbes one was interesting...........

"House Democrats, who will be in charge of the new Congress that convenes in January, have made it clear that they won’t accept the NAFTA revision that President Trump forced on Canada and Mexico in its present form. *

Among other things, they want stronger, more enforceable labor standards."**

NAFTA labor standards are addressed in a side agreement and aren’t fully enforceable. In the revised NAFTA, which Trump renamed the U.S. Mexico Canada Agreement, labor standards, including new ones, are in the body of the agreement and are fully enforceable.

But there’s a big difference between “enforceable” and “enforced.”***

Rep. Richard Neal, D-Mass., who probably will be chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, said in a statement, “ we will need to assess whether this agreement makes real improvements to the terms of the existing NAFTA . . . especially when it comes to the enforcement and enforceability of the agreement’s provisions, including the provisions that have always been critical to Democratic support – the ones that provide for worker rights and environmental protections.”****

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnbrinkley/2018/11/16/house-democrats-wont-accept-usmca-in-its-present-form/#2d5ac1c83c43

*so presumably if trump gives them a couple of concessions they will support the deal?

**but they must have been quite happy with the rules before eh?

***again though the very same people were quite happy when there were no labour laws.

****now that is a cracking statement. Wall Street bought politicians who embraced neo liberal globalism worrying about workers rights. Lol

In the article it also says about women workers. So why were those 'worker friendly' Democrats all those years when Mexican lassies were being exploited?

Why did St Obama not insist Mexican workers, male and female had workers rights?

Why the big virtue signal now?
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Posted: 3/13/2019 2:23:06 PM
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we have?...........you'll have to give me an example of what was ever done to large Corporations that made them beholden to oversight.....................if you are speaking of financial institutions in the wake of 2007, then you might be referring to the Dodd-Frank act (which the GOP is trying hard to erode)....whatever corporate regulations we had (and still have) were 1st assaulted by Ronald Reagan.

Otherwise, I have to conclude that you are speaking about "democratic socialism"(which I'm not opposed to)....whereby each Corp has to partner with a state or local gov't in order to function, and also has to involve its employees in major decision making policies.
That’s precisely what I’m talking about. Pre-Reaganism, when the U.S. (and the U.K.) economic system was more towards democratic socialism. Not that far, but definitely closer than it is now. Now all we get is capitalism of, for, and by the rich…the rest is on their own, and for the most part, that leaves the rest behind. On the surface, it seems to work, largely due to the cheerleading of the conservative corporate pro-business and pro-war MSM…but if you look deeper at the dysfunction and social problems of a large swath of the population being left behind …not to mention the trillions of debt we’ve accumulated during that same period of “prosperity”… ….the truth isn’t nearly as clear as the billionaires and financiers want us to believe.

https://www.salon.com/2011/03/29/failure_of_shareholder_capitalism/
vvvvvv


Because they never wholly accepted the shareholder value ideology, other capitalist nations have not seen fit to follow the Americans and British in steering most of the gains from economic growth away from workers to CEOs and shareholders. In Europe, average CEO pay is half the American level. The average European CEO makes 25 times as much as the average employee in the same company. The ratio in the U.S. is 100 to 1.

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But according to the economist Alan Blinder in a Wall Street Journal Op-Ed titled "Our****nsian Economy" last year, since 1978 productivity in the nonfarm business sector has grown by 86 percent, while real compensation -- wages plus benefits -- has grown only 37 percent. Take out the increased benefits, which tend to be eaten up by cancerous health insurance costs, and the real average hourly wage has not increased in 35 years.


Personally I don’t think this trend is sustainable. At some point, the people will start seeing past the MSM distraction tools of tabloid spectacle …. and see that they’re flat-out being ripped off! And Trump, Brexit, etc. etc. is the start of that realization. One can have a very strong argument that Trump, et. al, is the wrong way to go, and they are probably correct, but when the alternative was to maintain the status quo, (HRC) representing the above, then, we get voters willing to roll the dice.

The TPP and other bad trade deals strengthen this dynamic, that’s why they’re bad, irrespective of anything else any supporters want to say about it. Idt trade in and of itself, is a bad thing, but under the auspices of neoliberalism, and designed by corporations and bankers without much input and consideration besides efficiency and profit, and no real input from real people, I oppose it.

......and just becase we passed NAFTA means nothing vis a vis the TPP...I opposed NAFTA too! I believed Perot's "giant sucking sound," and he was right!! /
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Posted: 3/13/2019 2:35:28 PM
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But isn't this what your "disruptor" has already done by giving the top 1% a tax break?...........
You win that one. The tax cuts are ruinous. I think it’s possible any other viable 2016 GOP candidate i.e. a “non-disrupt0r” would have done it too though.


You posted a quote from the PIIE article in the "reality check" paragraph.......and if you read the last 2 words in your posted sentence.......you will read "at home"..............At home...means inside the USA...and this is what the point was all about!
OK, let’s dissect. It isn’t a secret that working class wages have been stagnant, or declining for decades “at home.” This is in spite of other grand trade deals. There is no reason to believe the TPP would be any different. And “profits at home,” well, we know where the profits are realized has nothing to do with where the good working class jobs are. Look at Apple for that one example. So I still stand by my initial doubts on his "reality check."


But this ^ won't be the case.....if you have crafted an agreement with a level playing field that has checks & balances...........
Agree, but don't thikn the TPP addresses these things. If we aren’t doing it now with China, or other trade agreements we should not believe it will happen with any new trade agreements. The dirty secret is freedom loving, flag waving American companies love communist countries as long as the governments keep a boot on labor’s throat.


then why didn't we subside Zenith (or magnavox)..............like we subsidize Agri (and some other sectors).....or we could have given them low interest loans (like we did to save GM)............if this was the key to maintain our edge! Who do you blame for that?...............or is it because we didn't have a trade-agreement with Japan/Korea that would have prevented such unfair practices!
My belief is U.S. labor unions were getting too strong a challenge to organized wealth, so we gave it away to Japan to help them industrialize and as a reward for signing onto the western global economic order and working with us after WWII.

Baldwin wrote:
One of the challenges to chump's claim about trade deficits is, that he only counts goods, not oil or services being sold out of america. we may produce less "things", but we've become a net oil exporter for the first time since i think the 1950's or earlier.
So you, as a Dem, are crowing over oil production and oil exports? Lol ;)

And services….meh. “Exports” of banking services, IT, copyrights, etc or whatever, don’t bring that much broad prosperity back to the U.S. I don’t even consider them exports, really. Relatively few people enjoy the benefits of those “exports,” outside of corporate shareholders, execs, lawyers, and a few other highly trained specialized workers. Real “exports” have to be things regular Joe-shmo-sixpacks (or Suzie-sixpack lol) can make and or/do. I mean, I'm sure McD's trademarks and IP is counted somewhere as "exports" or some type of "benefit" of of globalism for US companies. Nope. Sure, if we we're making the Big Macs here and sending containers of 'em to China. Otherwise, who really benefits back here from the millions of Chinese stuffing their mouths with Big Macs? Shareholders and execs only, really. And ag exports don’t count either, for a different reason...those jobs aren't good, they're all done by illegal immigrants.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 4:36:15 PM
Vlad...

"Why did St Obama not insist Mexican workers, male and female had workers rights?

Why the big virtue signal now?"



Same reason the Democrats had no problem with "kids in cages" under Obama's watch.

All their current hypocracies are simply TDS. It is real. I am kinda afraid of their reaction when Trump wins again in 2020. Don't think screaming at the sky, crying rooms, coloring books and puppies will be enough. Might have to bring back mental institutions. :/
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Speaking of a derangement syndrome.

Trump and kidlets will be lucky not to all be in jail. Trump will be lucky if he doesn't have a heart attack on the 15th hole with a cheeseburger shoved in his cake hole. Even the Republicans are tired of the embarrassment of him as their "leader". And by the way the MAGA folks are, it wouldn't surprise me if the uneducated and inbred try and put Tucker Carlson's name on the ticket.

At least the Dems don't consistently look stupid like the guy who refers to Tim Cook from Apple as Tim Apple - I'm sure Mr. Cook turned around and said Donald Idiot.

But you folks keep wishing an a hoping. Like L2L keeps saying - My Attorney Got Arrested. So did everyone around him.
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^Is it Mueller Time, yet??? Hahahaha


****Trump for 2020 Keep America Great!
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""""Same reason the Democrats had no problem with "kids in cages" under Obama's watch."""

Huge distinction. Obama never separated children from their parents. Trump's actions were the height of cruelty. And yet you and yours have no issue with those cruel acts. You would probably still support trump if he personally ripped a baby from a mother womb.
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It doesn't matter that Russia didn't have anything to do with rigging the election. The liberals regard Trump as an abomination and want to see him receive the punishment for treason.

But once Trump is re-elected his legitimacy to serve as president will no longer be in question. And Mueller will have find another target. Perhaps shutting down the alt-right fakenews sites that promoted Donald Trump and spread the alleged "Russian" propaganda. Most of them are feds anyway.

Mueller can investigate his FBI colleagues for being a Russian fifth column and the shitlibs worn out from years of Trump Derangement Syndrome won't put up any opposition to another "red scare" and political censorship.
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You're right. How dare Trump separate children from adults!

Pedophelia is a sexual orientation! If we would just legalize it...there would be no need for human traficking...hence...no need to seperate children from adults at the border.

You like little kids? ;) ;)


#EndIt

https://youtu.be/qMyExi2q-ZI


If you could SEE it....would you end it?
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^^^^that is a mindless, nonsensical rebuttal, perverted too. You have pedophilia and sex trading on your mind far too often. You may want to address this issue.
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^Why do we have to give 11 yr and above girls at the border pregnancy tests???

Guess that is okay with you? You're the sick one. :/



Again.....if you could SEE it....would you end it?


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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:25:35 PM
^^^^^That's your cult leaders doing. Perhaps his ice officers should keep their hands off little girls. I'm sure he hires only the best ice people.


 Million_Reasons
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Posted: 3/13/2019 7:30:28 PM
"Perhaps his ice officers should keep their hands off little girls."


Do you realize how ignorant that comment is? Lmao!

Might want to research the duties of ICE officers. :)

Please up your game.



vvv Pitiful rebuttal. Yikes!
I would suggest you not comment on my posts...it's got to be a blow to your male ego. You are no JoVan, MungoJoe or Double Cabin. Heck! You're not even a Frank! Lol!



 kavapaw22
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How Naive ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 kavapaw22
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Posted: 3/14/2019 6:22:12 AM
""""You are no JoVan, MungoJoe or Double Cabin. Heck! You're not even a Frank! Lol!"""

That is the nicest thing you have said to me yet. Thank you. You see, you don't always have to be nasty. You can at times be nice too. :)

Might I say to you dear, you ain't no kj521...that's not meant as a compliment though :-)
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"You mean those priveleged white men living in trailers?"

>>>if we're both speaking of the ones who can afford those trailers b/c they earn more per hour than their female counterparts, won't be sexually harassed, won't get shot by a cop for having a cellphone in their hand...then yep, we're talking about the same ones. its human nature to take our benefits in society for granted. i'm sure there are people living in trailers who don't feel privileged unless they worked in a soup kitchen serving a single mom and her kids. privilege can be relative. look at our new college scandal--rich parents who should have known privilege, yet still stacked the cards in their favor. its a reminder of the old saying, success is learning to appreciate what you have. someone always has it worse, and some of those rich parents MAY go to jail for tax fraud. then again, how many rich people go to jail, right?

"And ive never advocated trickle down economics."

>>>neither do i. its a republican thing. Reagan began it, and the GOP has continued to support tax breaks for the wealthy, including trump the populist. since the poor get a break on taxes, that means the middle class has to pick up the slack.

"Why did St Obama not insist Mexican workers, male and female had workers rights?"

>>>according to google, he promised it, then claimed the global economy was not doing well so it wasn't time to roil things by tossing out a trade treaty. also mexico has this thing called "ghost unions", apparently fake unions that claim to work for the workers, and its totally legal.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/08/nafta-ghost-unions-exploit-workers-mexico-170831110315826.html

can a trade deal change laws in a foriegn nation? i think that's the complaint about the TPP and the EU, right? still, NAFTA was done before the internet, so it was going to have to be changed at some point. and like everything else economic...its going to be a zero sum game, unfortunately.

"So you, as a Dem, are crowing over oil production and oil exports? Lol ;)"

>>>well, not exactly :) still, natural gas probably is cleaner than coal, and its cleaning coal's clock. also, in theory, its nice to not be beholden to OPEC, but of course we all know its not really about the oil showing up at your local pump. Red states generally earn off what they yank out of the ground. meanwhile, services make up one third of our exports

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-imports-and-exports-components-and-statistics-3306270

but with tariffs strangling our exports (part of the goods we export are planes and cars--heard about the Max 8 lately?) by raising raw material costs and then shutting off markets by raising the final price, we might consider services to be important, in order to bridge the gap. certainly when we deal with China, trump needs to focus on intellectual property. after all, we likely won't export cheap items anymore, it costs too much to pay our workers. we'll likely export developed items that have copyrights, etc.

"But once Trump is re-elected his legitimacy to serve as president will no longer be in question. "

>>it might be interesting to see how fast he lame-ducks. either the GOP will have one last use for him, or see him as baggage for the next election and run from the tar baby.
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"You mean those priveleged white men living in trailers?"
">>>if we're both speaking of the ones who can afford those trailers"

Nope. I'm talking about poor white folk who live in trailers. It's you who is talking about folks who can buy trailers...........

"b/c they earn more per hour than their female counterparts,"

So minimum wage or zero hour contract workers earn more minimum wage than women do? Eh? And why did obama guarantee women the same earnings? Or did his black privilege no see poor white folk?..........

"won't be sexually harassed,"

What the fvck does that have to do with being white and poor?.............

"won't get shot by a cop for having a cellphone in their hand..."

So poor white folk don't get shot and killed by polis then?...........

"then yep, we're talking about the same ones."

No I'm talking about poor white folk. Your talking about comfortably off white folk like yourself...............

"its human nature to take our benefits in society for granted."

Like minimum wage and zero hour contracts?...............

"i'm sure there are people living in trailers who don't feel privileged"

How condescending and patronising is that? Fvck me you don't half hate poor white folk eh?............

"unless they worked in a soup kitchen serving a single mom and her kids."

So poor white folk do not have to go to soup kitchens then?..............

"privilege can be relative."

Oh yes I'm sure it can be. Living in a rat infested trailer camp and MAYBE earning minimum wage. I'm sure they thank their god every day for that privilege...........

"look at our new college scandal--rich parents who should have known privilege,"

How many poor white folks do you think done that? After all they are privileged just like you eh?..........

"yet still stacked the cards in their favor. its a reminder of the old saying, success is learning to appreciate what you have. someone always has it worse, and some of those rich parents MAY go to jail for tax fraud. then again, how many rich people go to jail, right?"

And that has what to do with poor white citizens? As for the rich dafties aye jail them. Bankrupt them. Do you think poor white citizens give a toss?
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Posted: 3/14/2019 10:49:44 AM
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You know something mate? You used to do some no bad posts. But now you are like so many of the intolerant illiberal liberals who post/used to post on here.

You seldom answer any direct question anymore. Prefering to duck giving an answer. I get the point that you do not like donald trump. But you fail to grasp the point that millions of citizens do not like clinton.

You fail to recognise that there are americans who are struggling to survive after years of unfair trade deals and neo liberalism as practised by the republicans and democrats.

Citizens were crying out for change. ANY change.

Trump and those poor white folks you despise so much have done yous a favour. Politics will NEVER be the same again in your country.

Rather than displaying hatred for those who voted trump do you not think your politicians should find out WHY they voted trump?

The comfort blanket answer of 'racism' gives you and folk like you a nice wee easy way out. Yes some racists would have voted for trump. But to think EVERYONE who voted trump is a racist is absolute bollocks.......


"Today, 17.3 million white Americans (about twice as many as African Americans) are listed as living in poverty. More than 4 million white children live in poverty.

These unprivileged white people live desperately with widespread alcoholism, teen pregnancy, drug abuse and unemployment. Their children can only dream of a college education.

Is it a white privilege to be called “trailer trash”?

Is it a white privilege to be a hopelessly unemployed white American in the crumbling Rust Belt region?

Where is the privilege in the white ghettos of Appalachian America?

Do liberal Democrats even care about the struggles of the millions of impoverished, unprivileged and forgotten white people in our country that Hillary Clinton had labeled as “deplorables?”
https://www.concordmonitor.com/The-myth-of-white-privilege-13988254

And next election time maybe just maybe some democrat candidate might just go to poor white areas and ask folks questions.
 kavapaw22
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Posted: 3/14/2019 1:40:15 PM
Vlad, you are a smart guy, obviously read a lot, but you are trying to compare Trump to other "populists" who are rocking the system over there, and trying to compare him to Obama. I admitted before I don't pay attention to your politics over there. I can barely keep up with what is going on over here. Still I am pretty sure you are comparing apples to oranges. Trump is NOT a populist in the least. Nor really does Trump care about anything America or anything else for that matter other than for Trump. He is a malignant narcissist suffering from a severe personality disorder. He is a man who does not read, who does not prepare, who does not have the capability of concentrating on a complex subject for more than ten seconds. Who is literally incapable of distinguishing between reality and fantasy.

Trump has accomplished almost nothing in the States that has been a success. The New Nafta deal is the old Nafta deal light, he is as responsible for our "good economy" as he is responsible for the rising of the sun. He is and has fuked up bad on North Korea, tabled the Iranian deal without understanding a thing about it, ignores future dangers from climate change, is a destroyer of clean air and water. And worse than anything else, is the possibly most repugnant man to ever serve as President, an imbecile and a juvenile.

Bottom line, I am glad for you that you have people stirring things up over there. At least their hearts are probably in the right place because whether they make things better or worse..they probably are doing the best job they can. Not Trump. Trump cares for nothing, especially how much damage he has caused to the psychological well being of the country.

So when you start applauding this repulsive man, without having any idea what he is or represents, you are speaking from abject ignorance. You just don't get it. Those over here who are cultists don't get it either. They just like the destruction.

And Hint.... Clinton is not our President, nor is Obama any longer.

Just sayin.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 3/14/2019 2:35:21 PM
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"Vlad, you are a smart guy, obviously read a lot, but you are trying to compare Trump to other "populists" who are rocking the system over there, and trying to compare him to Obama."

I've never compared trump to obama................


"I admitted before I don't pay attention to your politics over there. I can barely keep up with what is going on over here. Still I am pretty sure you are comparing apples to oranges."

Yes i would say europes populists are different. But we have a different electoral system and the choice of many political parties..............


"Trump is NOT a populist in the least. Nor really does Trump care about anything America or anything else for that matter other than for Trump. He is a malignant narcissist suffering from a severe personality disorder. He is a man who does not read, who does not prepare, who does not have the capability of concentrating on a complex subject for more than ten seconds. Who is literally incapable of distinguishing between reality and fantasy."

So what on earth made citizens vote for him? Why was trump a better option than clinton? And please it does not become you to all the citizens who voted for trump as racist, thick and stupid.

Can you shed some light as to why citizens never voted for a career politician?.............


"Trump has accomplished almost nothing in the States that has been a success."

I wouldn't know. But he did come out in favour of Brexit................


"Bottom line, I am glad for you that you have people stirring things up over there. At least their hearts are probably in the right place because whether they make things better or worse..they probably are doing the best job they can. Not Trump. Trump cares for nothing, especially how much damage he has caused to the psychological well being of the country."

Is it really that difficult to comprehend that the american working class had no one else to vote for? C'mon catch a grip. Who bothered to say they would represent THEIR interests?

But as i said before donald trump has changed sherman politics for ever. Whoever the democrats choose to run in 2020 they are now going to have to get out of the cities and speak to folk. Surely that's a good thing?

So the 2020 election should be a shoe in for the democrats then? And yous can go back to neo liberal globalism and everyone is happy. Except the sherman working class...............


"So when you start applauding this repulsive man, without having any idea what he is or represents, you are speaking from abject ignorance. You just don't get it. Those over here who are cultists don't get it either. They just like the destruction."

I'm applauding the way he has caused ructions.

Just out of interest what did clinton represent?

And imagine poor deplorable folk laughing at those who hate them eh? How ungrateful. They should be hidden and not heard.

As for the clinton and obama question I'm quite aware of where they are. My point is the folk clinton never cared a fvck about bit her on arse. How did they do that? They voted president the donald.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 3:47:44 PM
as usual vlad... you bring up some good points.

amazing that some folks think and live in absolutes.
if you don't go their way or toe their line.... you are a Nazi or something.

funny too how everyone but them is "deplorable".

as they say..."the empty wagon makes the most noise".
or "all hat, no cattle"

the psychological well being of the country...
ah yes, he is why the unbalanced skip their meds and become abusive.
trump is at fault for everything.... including
their mommas not breast feeding them at their 16 th birthday party.

lol... just watched a clip of aoc questioning a wells Fargo executive.
saying wells Fargo should be responsible for global warming!
pretty trite look on her face as she spits out some serious nonsense.
talk about dog whistle...
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