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 julystorm22
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It is and it isn't exploitation. Yes, here too, most of the minimum-wage jobs are held by temporary foreign workers. Many East Indian and Filipino people. But many of them want to come and are glad for the chance to come because they use it as a stepping stone to become permanent residents. I work with many Filipino workers and a lot of them come from very humble surroundings in the Philippines. They live in houses here with around 10 other people so they can split the bills. And eventually they leave minimum-wage jobs for better jobs.

I have no problem with someone working a minimum-wage job temporarily but someone without aspirations for better for themselves doesn't have my respect. I've worked minimum-wage jobs too in the past but I always saw them as temporary. And there are enough jobs out there that pay more if you have your Grade 12 and are willing to work hard. People born before the 1980s, I don't look down on them if they don't have a high school degree because it was fairly common not to graduate at that time. But people who are born in the 1980s or later, if they are working a minimum-wage job because that's the only job they can get, I have to question why they didn't at least go get their GED. POF asks how ambitious someone is on their profile and I think it's an important question. I have dreams for myself and aspirations I want to get to and guys who have a bad job that lack dreams/aspirations of their own are difficult to connect with. I want someone who is at least a little ambitious.
 fullmoonguy2
Joined: 6/14/2017
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Posted: 5/10/2019 9:37:54 AM

I could have just as easily ended up with a nice guy had I met one first.


That's what exercising "self-discipline" is all about.
NOT taking the first thing that comes along if it isn't the right thing.


Unfortunately, a great guy never materialized.


Must have been a glitch in the transporter room.

SCOTTY !!
 adventurejoe70
Joined: 3/1/2013
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Posted: 5/10/2019 10:13:31 AM

I think it’s wrong that we bring in people to do the jobs nobody else wants to do. It’s a kind of exploitation.

It isn't exploitation because you aren't using them unfairly to benefit from their labor. They are getting the legal min. wage of your country. If you paid them min. wage and then withheld some of their check as a "immigrant tax" then that would be exploitation and some unscrupulous business do that, or if you paid below min. wage. But they are DOING a job for what they consider acceptable pay and standards. It is win/win for both parties.

That being said, even a bit of exploitation isn't a bad thing. Most relationships, deals, partnerships, etc in our daily life has a bit or a lot of exploitation going on.
A salesperson might make 6 figures ,but it is peanuts in comparison to what his boss is making on his workers sweat and toil. Technically it is a bit of exploitation but it is deemed acceptable by society because the party with the unfair side of the arrangement is getting compensated what they find acceptable.
Same as the US military exploitation in certain countries. They hire locals at a lower wage but at a wage that is significantly higher than local wages , creating a win/win. If the military wasn't there, those workers would be up sh$ts creek.

In most deals, one party always gets a bit more.

The biggest exploitation you are likely to ever be a victim of is OLD dating. where you are expected to pay for meals for women you never have met and will 99% get nothing out of the meeting. In these situations one party truly does substantially benefit. I bring it up because I know you don't like paying! lol

Another offbeat way , as a Canadian, you might be exploited is as a tax payer. You pay a lot of taxes , part of which goes to attracting new immigrants that come into the country to do jobs like nursing, that is good paying, where there is a declared "shortage", but your gov't can open up more nursing schools and make it more cost effective and attractive for more Canadian's to enter the field. Heck they can just make the classes easier because many of the immigrants you bring in from 3rd world countries have studied a dumbed down version of your curriculum. You may not realize it but in countries like the Philippines, Thailand, Ukraine, etc..students can pay professors money to get good grades so you never really know what skills/knowledge is behind their certificates. Something to think about :P


They live in houses here with around 10 other people so they can split the bills. And eventually they leave minimum-wage jobs for better jobs.

One scenario, but often they send the money home affording comfortable lifestyles back home for their families that wouldn't be possible otherwise. I actually have a distant relative from Eastern Europe who works on a cruise line and basically can retire from work 9 months of the year from the income he makes working hard for 3 months.
 Kokanee_Ice
Joined: 2/16/2019
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Posted: 5/10/2019 5:26:15 PM

It isn't exploitation because you aren't using them unfairly to benefit from their labor. They are getting the legal min. wage of your country. If you paid them min. wage and then withheld some of their check as a "immigrant tax" then that would be exploitation and some unscrupulous business do that, or if you paid below min. wage. But they are DOING a job for what they consider acceptable pay and standards. It is win/win for both parties.


Precisely my point. They are willing to take our lowest jobs and don’t complain. Just because it’s legal to pay somebody minimum wage, doesn’t mean people can actually live on it, unless they work two jobs or have roommates. My cousin made over 200 grand last year year in the oil and gas industry, then he complains he has to pay $80 000 in taxes. Oh boo hoo! Maybe he should grow up - He still has more than enough to live on.


The biggest exploitation you are likely to ever be a victim of is OLD dating. where you are expected to pay for meals for women you never have met and will 99% get nothing out of the meeting. In these situations one party truly does substantially benefit. I bring it up because I know you don't like paying! lol


A guy can’t be exploited this way if he doesn’t let himself be. It’s not so much that I don’t like paying, but I think that there needs to be reciprocity, and it should also be acceptable for a woman to pay for a first date. Many women believe that if a man pays for the first few dates that’s a sign that he wants to invest in a relationship. That logic is flawed. He could be paying because he just wants sex. On the other hand, a guy who splits the bill could be interested in something long-term.


You may not realize it but in countries like the Philippines, Thailand, Ukraine, etc..students can pay professors money to get good grades so you never really know what skills/knowledge is behind their certificates. Something to think about :P


Something similar also happens here. When I was in college there was this guy whose dad was a millionaire. He was paying other people to do his reports and assignments for him. The thing is, he was very popular with the girls.


One scenario, but often they send the money home affording comfortable lifestyles back home for their families that wouldn't be possible otherwise. I actually have a distant relative from Eastern Europe who works on a cruise line and basically can retire from work 9 months of the year from the income he makes working hard for 3 months.


True, but men from these countries wouldn’t get any dates from entitled, white Canadian women with the salary they’re making. The women, however, are sought out by white men here. It shows how many more men are willing to date down financially than women. The height issue would also be a problem for women here - a lot of Filipino guys are not taller than 5’7. Height doesn’t have any correlation with strength though. I work in a warehouse lifting boxes. I’ve seen 5’5 Filipino guys lift incredibly heavy weights. Then a guy who was 6’4 broke his back.
 spectravision
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Posted: 5/10/2019 6:09:40 PM

A guy can’t be exploited this way if he doesn’t let himself be.


I come across a profile last weekend and it had on it I will not message first who fancies a date so I messaged and said I fancy a date and where was she thinking of taking me. No reply

Not the type of woman that has got guys fighting over her either ;)
 julystorm22
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Posted: 5/11/2019 12:00:47 AM
Nurses, doctors and other professionals do have to get licensed here in Canada and the work can be extensive to do that so it doesn't really matter if someone paid their way to a degree back in their home country. A lot of the people I work with who are CCAs were R.N.s before they came to Canada and are doing the courses to get licensed here and it isn't a picnic. Some of these exams are hard, especially to people whose first language isn't English. And IMO, the Fillipina nurses here are really good at their jobs and do seem well-trained. I have a co-worker from Pakistan, a Christian who came here because conditions were bad back home, and she actually practiced as a doctor there because the area she was in didn't have a doctor all the time and so she had to do things like surgeries and such. Many of the foreign trained nurses did have to do more because of lack of doctors.
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 5/11/2019 12:30:46 PM

, doctors and other professionals do have to get licensed here in Canada and the work can be extensive to do that so it doesn't really matter if someone paid their way to a degree back in their home country. A lot of the people I work with who are CCAs were R.N.s before they came to Canada and are doing the courses to get licensed here and it isn't a picnic.

The ones that speak English and come from countries with similar accreditation usually can transfer credits and take exams. You do realize many people are good at exams taking? I used to pass tests for classes I never showed up to. That doesn't change the fact that the Canadian gov't can make the field easier to get into or more attractive for citizens.


, but men from these countries wouldn’t get any dates from entitled, white Canadian women with the salary they’re making. The women, however, are sought out by white men here. It shows how many more men are willing to date down financially than women. The height issue would also be a problem for women here - a lot of Filipino guys are not taller than 5’7. Height doesn’t have any correlation with strength though. I work in a warehouse lifting boxes. I’ve seen 5’5 Filipino guys lift incredibly heavy weights. Then a guy who was 6’4 broke his back.

True but you would be surprised at the romances some of them have with passengers. That being said , I am pretty sure he is happy with his feminine fiance in Ukraine who is by American standards a 9+.


My cousin made over 200 grand last year year in the oil and gas industry, then he complains he has to pay $80 000 in taxes.

BOO HOO but your country taxes too much. In America that same salary would be taxed around 40k and that's without write offs. Don't start with but we get free/cheap education and medical care. Your education isn't worth the amount more you pay in taxes and in USA a public university is pretty cheap and can even be close to free with tax credits and our medical premiums don't come on average close to justify to taxes you guys pay. In addition your consumer goods are too expensive. What you keep in the end is more important than what yo make.
 Kokanee_Ice
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Posted: 5/12/2019 5:09:54 PM

BOO HOO but your country taxes too much. In America that same salary would be taxed around 40k and that's without write offs. Don't start with but we get free/cheap education and medical care. Your education isn't worth the amount more you pay in taxes and in USA a public university is pretty cheap and can even be close to free with tax credits and our medical premiums don't come on average close to justify to taxes you guys pay. In addition your consumer goods are too expensive. What you keep in the end is more important than what yo make.


I don’t know if that’s true since people with higher salaries are taxed more. The lowest income people on minimum wage couldn’t afford medical insurance, so I’m glad that our tax payers help them out. I have zero sympathy for tax breaks for the rich. Canada isn’t even a socialist country and is not the only one to have subsidized health care. Most of Europe has it, as does the U.K. and Australia. If you want see a socialist country look at Sweden. Israel is also pretty socialist. In Canada not everything is covered by our tax payers either - individuals have to pay for certain medications, and ambulance rides are not free.
 julystorm22
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Posted: 5/13/2019 8:31:43 AM
Yes, our system has problems but I wouldn't trade it, especially for the American one. If you were to look at the stats for people in the bottom 50% of the U.S. income population and compare it to the bottom 50% of the Canadian income population, you'd see huge contrasts. Sure, the richer half of Americans live incredibly well but the poorer half lives awful there.
 fullmoonguy2
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Posted: 5/13/2019 10:17:39 AM

Sure, the richer half of Americans live incredibly well but the poorer half lives awful there.


Define "awful".

This should be good.
 julystorm22
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Posted: 5/13/2019 10:48:34 AM
Awful as in comparable to other developed countries. Health outcomes, lack of paid maternity leave and rates of violence are only a few of the things that make me happy I live north of the border. Also, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that you elect such idiotic leaders (Trump makes moronic Trudeau look okay). I could find you article after article after article which basically says why I am so glad not to be living in the U.S. but here's a few for you:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.slate.com/human-interest/2018/04/our-lack-of-paid-leave-is-a-health-crisis.html

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2018/03/u-s-pays-more-for-health-care-with-worse-population-health-outcomes/

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/06/us-healthcare-wealth-income-inequality-lifespan

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/infant-mortality-u-s-compare-countries/#item-start

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/11/09/666209430/deaths-from-gun-violence-how-the-u-s-compares-with-the-rest-of-the-world
 _Rise_Above_This_
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Posted: 5/13/2019 10:55:30 AM
^^^
"Trudeau look okay"

Okay compared to what?
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 5/13/2019 11:56:48 AM

Awful as in comparable to other developed countries. Health outcomes

Actually the interpretation of that data is what matters. There is a reason the rich and powerful come to be treated in the US(including some rich Canadians) for complicated stuff..USA has the best and brightest and there is very little to no wait for Cat-scans, MRI's, etc. If you had Cancer I am sure you would rather be in the US . Health outcomes as those reports measure are irrelevant because :
1. they are basing it on cost per dollar. We already know US is the most expensive. The WHO report is the equivalent of saying ground chuck steak is better than filet mignon because it is cheaper..lol
2. health outcomes are equally dependent on the "health" of the patient and lifestyle. Americans are more likely to be out of shape and on a bad diet. Too much apple and orange comparison. I have had doctors say that if Americans would take a healthier lifestyle we have the medical infrastructure to increase lifespans past that of rest of the world.
A healthy American who has access to the health care I bet would have an equal if not better outcome simply because we have the equipment available for diagnosis and diagnosis is the most important thing. We have HMO'S which are more similar to being run like gov't healthcare and I myself have been a victim of it. If I pick a private office in my network they will run every test in the book . Of course that runs up the expense. But that beats the HMO clinic that sends everyone home instead of doing a simple US. In my case they did that twice missing my ruptured appendix.

As Forbes points out, “In 2013, the average wait time for an MRI was over two months, while Canadians needing a CT scan waited for almost a month. ”. If I need one I can basically call in luck out and get one in 2 days , as long as insurance approves it in that time.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/canadians-may-pay-more-taxes-than-americans-but-theres-a-catch.html


lack of paid maternity leave

We have it but small businesses don't provide it ,but that makes our economy stronger. The nonsense I have seen in some EU countries where people can take lots of time off and get paid while still having a right to come back to the job is absurd. How do you think small businesses can profit if their employees don't show up to work?


rates of violence

Well more guns and more minorities in inner city gangs contribute to that. But NYC is actually safer than Toronto and Vancouver last I checked(yrs ago) Vancouver even if I recall had a higher murder rate. At present Toronto has more violent crime but NYC maybe more murder. But most murder is gangs or people who know each other so it doesn't affect the average person.


only a few of the things that make me happy I live north of the border

Ok, we aren't inviting you. I know much more Canadians wanting to come to US than vice versa. Half of the economy of certain areas of Florida are Canadian snowbirds who wish they could retire there but aren't allowed to. Only Americans I know wanting to live in Canada are a bunch of ultra liberals who b#tched that they are going to leave because of who is president.



If you were to look at the stats for people in the bottom 50% of the U.S. income population and compare it to the bottom 50% of the Canadian income population, you'd see huge contrasts. Sure, the richer half of Americans live incredibly well but the poorer half lives awful there.

Where you get those numbers? I suspect the poor , as in bottom 10% might be worse in USA due to less social programs but America is typically better for the middle class as well as the rich. No offense but becoming a 1st world country and remaining there it is more important to have a large consumer base of middle class. I mean who goes" gee , my country is better because our bottom 1/4 or bottom 1/10 % POOR has it better?". Being successful is striving to be in the better 80%.

Also, what MOST Canadians fail to understand is there are loads of cheap housing, free medical(medicaid), welfare, food stamps, etc in America. We also have our "welfare state" but it is mostly done on the state level. When you add the tax credits for the poor(earned income) poor Americans might have it better. Factor in lower costs and it is a win.

"Middle-class Canadians probably pay more in taxes than middle-class Americans, David Macdonald, senior economist at the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, tells CNBC Make It. They also must contend with higher sales taxes and a higher cost of goods, especially in the wealthier provinces, which affects buying power."
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/canadians-may-pay-more-taxes-than-americans-but-theres-a-catch.html

P.S. I knew a Canadian that needed some procedure on his knee where he was told it would be at least 6 months. He decided to travel to North Dakota and pay to get it done. Sure based on your Gov't it might not be a life threatening emergency but how productive do you think he would be sitting at home for months with a bad knee? Perhaps your gov't needs to tax more to pay for disability for people sitting at home waiting for procedures.
 Lindatasy
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Posted: 5/13/2019 12:10:22 PM
I should have had a sugar daddy when I was young. Instead, I got married at 22 to a guy with no money.
 julystorm22
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Posted: 5/13/2019 3:55:19 PM
A lot of Canadians want to move to the U.S. to escape the cold Canadian winters.

I understand you wanting to defend your own country. You are proud of being an American and I get it. I'm just saying I'm really thankful to be a Canadian.

And I thoroughly dislike Justin Trudeau but compared to Donald Trump he's not so bad. Now, who would you rather be stuck in a room with for days on end?
 _Rise_Above_This_
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Posted: 5/13/2019 5:48:36 PM

Now, who would you rather be stuck in a room with for days on end?

You
 norwegianguy456
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Posted: 5/13/2019 6:42:44 PM

In America that same salary would be taxed around 40k and that's without write offs.

Man, I wish. :) For $200k, before write-offs, you'll be paying more like $65k. Less than Canadia, but I'd hate to know what it's like living in Chicago or NY.

Let's face it. Pretty much every POF profile on here is fake.

Not true. POF isn't on the ball to prevent Spam profiles like they were before. But it's pretty easy to spot the fake ones. Just annoying. Kind of like gals getting crazy-dude emails. I guess it allows us guys to get a taste of wasted-time in our mail box.

For the rest that are real, they're just looking for a man to help pay their bills and support their kids.

Not really. It isn't Spam Profiles + Trailer Park Gals (thus the assumption they want a financial supporter) as 99% of everything. True, POF does draw in lower-income people more, and has allowed more spam to get thru. But there's plenty of "normal" profiles on here too, despite plenty of not-so-great ones.
 julystorm22
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Posted: 5/13/2019 8:38:56 PM
I have no problem with the high taxes because I feel like I get a lot back in terms of social programs, healthcare and education. Another thing is security. I feel safe. I think we have a pretty good police force. The RCMP is pretty well-trained. A lot of the States actually has elected police officials and I've heard their training is peanuts compared to the RCMP. And no I am not including big metro police forces like the NYPD who are really well trained. I just watched a documentary a couple years ago on the state of policing in the U.S. and its shocking how little training/education much of the police force in the country get.
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Posted: 5/14/2019 1:22:25 PM

living in Chicago or NY.


No, for a single person federal income taxes would be about 41k and if married it be about 31k on 200k. Don't include local income taxes or fica because in Canada they pay high province taxes and also social security taxes. That isn't including their high VAT,etc. In some states in US there are no local taxes and/or sales tax even. Yes NYC has high taxes on income but low property taxes and half my income is exempt from state/city taxes so I am good.


A lot of the States actually has elected police officials and I've heard their training is peanuts compared to the RCMP.

That are small town depts but all states have state police that have similar training as RCMP.
 SomeWhereInTheStratosfere
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Posted: 5/14/2019 2:20:21 PM

I have no problem with the high taxes

Joe posted this link, if you haven't read it, do so. Canadians don't pay that much more in taxes than Americans.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/canadians-may-pay-more-taxes-than-americans-but-theres-a-catch.html
 SomeWhereInTheStratosfere
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Posted: 5/14/2019 3:54:38 PM

Canadians don't pay that much more in taxes than Americans.

as a matter of fact, lots dont pay any tax, I think You would be included in this July.

https://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/taxes/trudeau-is-right-40-of-canadians-dont-pay-income-taxes-which-means-someone-else-is-picking-up-the-bill.
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Posted: 5/14/2019 4:11:53 PM

Don't include local income taxes or fica because in Canada they pay high province taxes and also social security taxes.

But his cousin, I'm pretty darn sure, was referring to the All-Around taxes he ends up getting yanked out of his paychecks. Hence, me including it all on our end, too (if he lived here in the US).
 julystorm22
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Posted: 5/14/2019 7:11:27 PM
Actually, I don't usually owe taxes come tax time. But I get a lot of money taken off my paycheque, about 30%. I do receive the Canada Child Benefit and the Working Supplement though. So in the end I do get more from the government than the government takes. Also, how much does the averave American pay for health insurance? That's another expense to take into account. I get health and dental insurance taken off my paycheque from work but it's for extended health like optometry, chiropractor, massage therapy and things. I pay about $105 per month for my insurance.
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