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|i'm a serial monogamist, but anything that goes on between two or more consenting adults that does not involve the abuse of animals or children is perfectly okay in my book.|
Posted: 7/24/2008 10:14:11 AM
he Sacred Path of Polyamory em
"sacred path"?? that's too funny.
i like how all kinds of pervs try to justify something by calling it "sacred". why don't you just say, i'm really horny and i have a really short attention span and get it over with? come on.
Posted: 7/24/2008 1:04:39 PM
|Huh, I see that you've posted about that Deborah Taj Anapol person in a few threads. Would that happen to be you?|
At any rate it seems that polyamory (being in 'commited' relationships with more than one person at the same time) is becoming more and more trendy. Haven't heard much about how things work out long term though, but from what I've seen, the people involved don't really seem to think too much about long term...
Posted: 7/24/2008 1:15:57 PM
Sex is sex. What you do withyour body is yours to do. The heart the sould, the mind...well, that cal all be shared with just that one person for life, yes.
From what I understand "it's not about the sex dude". That's a direct quote from one of my poly friends. He loves his girlfriend and he loves his other girlfriend. The first one is the 'primary' though and lives with him.
I mean. It sounds fun, I guess, but sounds like it could get very complicated.
Also I could probably deal with another lady in my significant other's life way better than another dude, but maybe I'm just unenlightened or something.
Posted: 7/24/2008 1:18:43 PM
Where is the fine line between single and slutty?
Single = no sex.
Slutty = lots of sex.
I'd say the line is "sex" :P
Posted: 1/20/2009 1:59:45 AM
|here are some of my opinions on polyamory|
The subject gets a lot of grief. Lots of people know of incidents of how they or someone else tried it and it was a disaster. I should remind readers that we all know many people who tried monogamy and it turned out to be a disaster. The divorce and dating industries are testament to that. Therefore, we cannot really give any weight to that argument against it. Every time people connect, there is a potential for difficulty. The style of connection has nothing to do with it.
There is nothing slutty about polyamory. To think that there is is, is to misunderstand the term. Many folk, are defensive against polyamory. But when you read what they have to say, they seem to be talking about something that is not polyamory. It is refreshing to come upon a post that actually reflects an understanding of the term.
I define proper polyamory as multiple long term relationships without ownership, expectation, control, manipulation or jealous grief. Basically people enter long term relationships all the time. Polyamorous individuals may decide to include sexual intimacy in some of their relationships. Friendships continue even when sexual contact does not.
It takes emotional maturity, self awareness, and real love to manage a polyamorous lifestyle. Not everyone has that.
polyamory is the shizzle
Posted: 1/20/2009 4:28:46 AM
|I suppose there are people out there who can exist happily in a polyamorous relationship. Personally, I can't imagine a more soul destroying scenario.|
I didn't realize that single and slutty were on some parallel.
Dating, and it's terms, have to be mutually determined between you and your love interest, and will be different for every couple.
Well, you just KNOW that MY phone rings off the hook, of course! *primps hair*
Posted: 1/20/2009 9:50:09 AM
|It all depends, I know a guy who was still living with his ex and dating another woman behind her back, she left him, he continued dating this woman, and another woman, niether knew about each other, the first one of course knew about the gf at home and suggested he hide the truth from her, because she knew the gf would be hurt by it. When it happened to her and it went past the dating and he was sleeping with them both, she left too, then the other one gave up as it wasn't a challenge anymore.|
I don't think polyamourus relationships are all bad, but each person involved needs to know and agree with it as a few others here have said. If it isn't agreed on and one tells the other they are the only one, to me it becomes cheating.
I think these relationships hurt more people, then they do any good for.
Oh and the person who stated single=no sex
slut= lots of sex
where did you get that from? A slut is one who sleeps with multiples of people and doesn't really care who it affects, just as a whore is a paid slut. Look it up. People can have lots of sex with one person, but not really be in a relationship.
Posted: 1/20/2009 2:19:16 PM
|i am not sure that poloyamorous relationships hurt more people or destroy souls|
there is no justification for saying this sort of thing, monogamy is about people owning people, how is that right?
Posted: 1/20/2009 4:44:34 PM
|I agree with MuskokanMan|
Whatever floats your boat. When you an adult you can choose what type of relationship you partake in as long as you are honest with the other participant of the relationship and they agree with the arrangement.
Also if the person is initially ok with an open relationship relealize that you or the other person feelings could change. They may develop a deeper attachment and feelings for you and don't wish to continue the "open relationship".
Jealousy could arise in such a relationship as well. To me to have an successful "open" relationship, you have to work harder and put a lot into it to make it work for you.
I don't know from experience but I assume that would be the case.
Posted: 1/20/2009 5:18:34 PM
|my personal oppinion is ... i do not approve of all this multiple partner business if in a LTR...if you single and dating meanng just going out with someone without the intent of a LTR then thats simply dating so if you want to date someone every nite then by all means go for it you have no commitments to anyone so I would say it is ok... as for being slutty that depends on if you are sleeping with everyone you go out with now that would qalify as slutty...|
If you like someone enough and they have told you the same you may want to ask them if they would be opposed to being exclusive and seeing where things went if not then there is your answer... it has to be a mutual agrement...
as before mentioned there is a fine line between going out on a date with someone and actually dating someone... going out is simply to have company to events and or see if you have enough in common to go any farther no strings so to speak... dating someone is that you have made the commitment to date them and want to be with the one person. when you go on a date if your phone rings off the hook then so be it does not mean you are slut or anything liek that just means you have not met the right one yet ... now if you exclusive with somone and phone rings off the hook then thats a whole horse of a different color and thats cheating....
Posted: 1/23/2009 8:39:27 PM
|How people choose to live their lives is really no ones business but their own. If people are happy and like whatever type of relationship they have chosen to be in then I wish them all the best. No one type of relationship is right for everyone.|
Posted: 1/24/2009 2:40:23 PM
|You have englobed three different aspects in one thread. Dating is dating, as long as you are honest with the people you are dating and they know that. Open relationships, where you are not exclusive but love each other and have sex with others. Polyamory is indeed loving more than one person.|
In the end, as long as honesty , truth and trust are maintained, then either way whatever make someone happy.
Posted: 1/24/2009 3:08:51 PM
|Dating is about getting to know people. There's a chance that you might meet more than one interesting person at a time and end up dating more than one. Nothing wrong with that. It happens. When you decide that one has potential to be a serious romantic relationship, you need to let go of the others, but make sure both people feel the same. "Slutty" implies sleeping with more than one person. That's always wrong. If your sleeping with anyone, it's best to have a ring on your finger first. Otherwise, there's bound to be trouble because at least one person in the relationship isn't actually ready to make a commitment as serious as that kind of intimacy implies.|
Posted: 3/2/2009 3:31:26 PM
|I would love to put a ring on a woman's finger, but I won't give up my husband...so do I fall under polygany or polyandry? There is no specific term for a woman having a husband and a wife. It's hard enough to find acceptance for sexuality OR multiple marriages never mind both in one instance. I suppose we could get around it with my husband being a polygamist, but I would feel more like we both belonged to him rather than all of us belonging to eachother. I definitely believe in consent , equality and commitment for all involved so it's not a matter of sleeping around as many people like to criticise.|
Posted: 5/27/2009 7:52:10 AM
|The whole success of 31 Flavors is built upon the fact that human beings like (heck, CRAVE) variety.|
"Variety is the spice of life."
If someone said, "Pick your favorite ice cream flavor," in a heartbeat, I would say vanilla. But every now and then, I really crave some strawberry. Or some chocolate. Or some mint chocolate chip.
The great lie American society puts forth is that open relationships don't work, when truthfully, based on studies and interviews of those who live it, DO! The reason for the lie is due to the influence of the church.
Open relationships aren't for anyone -- and no one is forcing you to live one -- but for those couples who are secure and honest enough with themselves and their partners, it not only works, it strengthens their marriage/relationship.
Posted: 5/27/2009 8:07:52 AM
|In my world...|
Dating is about getting to know people. There's a chance that you might meet more than one interesting person at a time and end up dating more than one. Nothing wrong with that. It happens. When you decide that one has potential to be a serious romantic relationship, you need to let go of the others, but make sure both people feel the same.
I will never practice polyamory which is being sexual and intimate in your "dating".
But, that is me.
Posted: 5/27/2009 8:16:21 AM
|Good grief, |
LOL, I say most of the guys fantasizing about more than one woman in their bed better learn to satisfy that one first before they go adding extras, LOLOLOL
Polyamory is a subject that has been explored quite a bit recently on tv. But have any of you noticed, it is not the Brad Pitts and Angelina Jolies who are polyamorous, it's the trolls and the unwashed and unshaven. I don't mean to stereotype here, but if you find a wonderful partner, why would you want or need anyone else in your bed? Your partner should be able to do anything and everything to you that you want, and you should do the same in return, so therefore no need for multiple partners....unless you are into collecting women/men, and it seems those that are doing so aren't getting 9s and 10s, they are getting a lot of 2's.
I think that the 'open relationship' thing is just another way to say to someone that you are not attracted to them anymore sexually and want to go get a piece somewhere else, without all of the guilt. If a man is not happy with me in and out of the bedroom, he needs to move on! Please don't waste my time.
Posted: 5/27/2009 8:28:16 AM
it's the trolls and the unwashed and unshaven.
Now where on earth did you -- who isn't even interested in open relationships -- research this data? Your statement is false. Those into the polyamory scene are no more or less attractive than anyone else.
Your partner should be able to do anything and everything to you that you want, and you should do the same in return, so therefore no need for multiple partners.
Open relationships are for both parties in a marriage/long-term relationship. It's something both agree on. To say that one person is going to satisfy everything you need rings hollow. Again, human beings like variety in every aspect of life -- from art, to music, to food, to fashion, to literature, to friends, and so on. So why does that not apply to your sexual partner?! It's okay to want variety from every aspect of life except sex and your partner?! That 100% does not make sense.
If a man is not happy with me in and out of the bedroom, he needs to move on!
It's not so much about being happy; it's about being fulfilled and stimulated. Think of the first time you hear a tune on the radio where you've got to go,"Oh, man, I have to buy this." So you buy it, listen to it a lot, and then don't listen to it much anymore. You still like the tune, but your level of stimulation from it diminishes. That's just natural.
Now obviously, human beings are vastly different than a tune on the radio, but the principle still applies. Couples in open relationships are still committed to the main relationship (marriage/long-term) first and foremost. The open play allows each to acknoledge the fact that they still find other human beings attractive and interesting.
Posted: 5/27/2009 8:39:08 AM
|All that may be true for you, Beth, but that doesn't mean you can generalize.|
Most of the polyamorous people I've met have been in the pagan community, and most haven't been attractive, but there have been notable exceptions, and I was in a polyamorous relationship with several people who were at least 7's!
I can also be extraordinarily happy with one person in and out of the bedroom, and be madly in love with them, while we still both enjoy purely sexual encounters with others. It's simply provides a little variety and spice, and mostly just emphasizes and reminds us how good things really are between us. Since this is entirely an optional thing, we can choose to play only with 7 to 10's.
This works for us, but I don't expect that it would work for most, nor do I think the people who prefer monogamy are wrong - they're just different.
Posted: 5/27/2009 8:44:35 AM
|I happen to find a lot of women attractive. When one finds me equally attractive, I'll settle down and concentrate on just her if that's what she desires. If not, I won't get too attached to her and will still continue to look around myself. Test the waters. Just use protection religiously.|
Posted: 5/27/2009 8:50:56 AM
|LOL Zebra Circle,|
I hope my SO never compares me and our relationship to a pop song! That would devastate me! I am so much more of a Broadway show!
And FYI, I do have some experience in researching the polyamorous lifestyle...I have seen multiple shows on television (everything from Real Sex to the History Channel), and I have a couple of people I know who are more into pagan lifestyle, as the gentleman above spoke of, and to be honest, it seems like a desperate attempt to find someone to love them and satisfy their sexual needs....more like quantity over quality.
If you are into this kind of thing, I hope you have a ball (pun intended) and find it fulfilling and satisfying. I however have been lucky enough to find a partner that DOES stimulate me completely, both in and out of the bedroom. I guess if you are not lucky enough to find that, then you keep searching for the Holy Grail. I am not saying there is anythng wrong with Polyamory, if it fulfills your needs, then by all means go for it. But it is not for me, nor would I put myself into such a situation. Methinks I will stay in the traditional relationship that makes me such a happy woman.
Posted: 5/27/2009 9:21:49 AM
Do you think that there is only one right and perfect person out there?
Where is the fine line between single and slutty?
There is no line (fine or not) in the same way that there are no sluts IMO. A "slut" or "slutty behavior" is someone else imposing his/her "moral" judgement on you/your behavior - nothing more, nothing less. And unless that someone is a person that matters to me, I (seriously) couldn't care less what other people think of me/my behavior.
What is just dating, and how exclusive do you think that should be?
Just dating is just that, just dating. Exclusive is when you both (or all;) decide to exclude others and become exclusive to/with each other.
Can you accept dating more than one person and in fact loving more than one person?
Those are two different questions in my opinion - sure you can date more than one person at a time, as long as you're honest with everyone.
As for the second part of the question, I believe that it's completely possible to love (and be in love with ) more than one person.
An open and/or polyamory relationship is not something I would care to explore at this point in my life but...it's something that might have interested me when I was younger and if I had been childless. I say might because I don't/can't know for sure...all I know for sure is that I have no problems with it.
Do you date one person at a time, or does your phone ring off the hook?
Haha. I don't date at all and no, my phone is certainly not ringing off the hook (well not for me anyway but I do have a teenager in the house ...grrr... ;).
Posted: 5/27/2009 11:17:09 AM
For example, to get the benefits of a relationship with someone, you have to give up dating anyone else
Actually, that's not true for everyone. You can have a great relationship AND date others, as long as everyone is in the know and agreeable. Usually, these are exclusive propositions, but it's not necessary that it be so.
remember the "road" to an open relationship probably means the person has tendencies towards some characteristics or personality nuances that could be indicative of the person's overall character
That is correct. It could be indicative of the ability to love greatly, think outside the constraints of social conditioning, and act ethically in the pursuit of their own and other's happiness. It can be a positive thing - or it can be negative. It certainly depends on the individual, doesn't it? Not everyone is the same, just as some can act ethically even in complex situations, whereas others cannot.
Posted: 5/27/2009 1:26:56 PM
|Life of leisure put the true science behind the molecules.. and their is some very interesting research being conducted on mating and attraction and chemistry as to eggs and sperm.. and even rationalizing can't compete with what the body is giving off. |
Beth .. also pointed out what I believe is really an issue .. as I have watched some videos of poly wogging .... the crowd pleasers I saw don't do a thing for me in terms of attractiveness either .. so maybe it is the universes way of saying tootles to certain genes.. so from an evolutionary standpoint we are breeding this type of behaviour out of the animal .. hmmm
It would be interesting how the laws of states would handle the legalizing of these unions .. as married groups and what benefits you could have with friends with benefits and group benefits .. sounds kindah like corporate collapse .
If a guy or gal is on this site they should be clear about what they are exactly looking for when it comes to the dynamics of the unions they already participate in .. transparency is necessary in the profiles of the profilers and profilees .. and I believe that trying to convince or contact someone that is clearly not interested is cohersive harassment and is just someone looking for a specific "look" for their suitcase of tricks... I respect the informative and transparent profiles on fish that have a sound understanding of how this works .. I don't have much use for people who try and recruit the unrecruitable.
poly wolly woo.. I have alot of friends .. none that I want to become poly with .. as in f'ck em .. but maybe if we weren't friends I would f'ck .. butt not in a nice way.