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 agapenow
Joined: 5/20/2007
Msg: 196
Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ? Page 4 of 10    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10)
Yes we are! I was brought up Jewish for 36 years both my parents were Jewish. One day I went to Church just to shut my friends up about Jesus..Well when I waked into that Church it was the first time I ever felt God and now I'm a completed Jew. The scales came off my eyes and now I can see the truth...If the Jews had accepted Jesus 2,000 years ago only the Jews would be saved. It was God's will that it went down the way it did and in the end all of Isreal will be saved.
 themadfiddler
Joined: 10/16/2006
Msg: 198
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Posted: 2/1/2008 9:36:28 PM


Yes we are! I was brought up Jewish for 36 years both my parents were Jewish


That's very interesting. I was raised as a Christian for about 14 years of my life. I read one book once to find out that something was wrong. About 6 years ago, a very nice and very funny rabbi from New Jersey gave me a lecture tape series, probably over 100 dollars worth for free...about 15 tapes. I can tell you if I had heard those as a young man I might have even converted to Judaism but there was no way I would have ever been a Christian before because "the scales came off my eyes." There was no great movement of faith, just reason and understanding and pure truth. Heck, most of it was in plain English using common translations of the Christian Bible.

I would like to know if in your 36 years how much of a Jewish education you had? How much Hebrew School did you attend? Did you have a bat mitzvah? After that? I mean as you and even I, a frozen Canadian goy from up in Oh Canada know, there is being raised Jewish and being raised Jewish so when someone comes on a forum and says it, we should know what it means. How long did you attend shul? Did you?

I can't speak or read Hebrew fluently, but I can tell you in the limted understanding of what I have, and based on the information that this rabbis lectures gave me and that of others since, I cannot understand how someone who really knew their Jewish faith would become what is essentially a Christian, call it a Messianic Jew, or completed Jew, but the concept is the same...it is essentially Christology intermingled, in my opinion unneccesarily, with Christianity.

And what I don't get is if a schmuck like me who was not raised in a Jewish environment with the culture, with the language, can see the problem inherant, the vast dichotomy between the two faiths and the simple truths inherant in Judaism on its own that require no "doctoring" from Christology, why a Jew cannot.
 themadfiddler
Joined: 10/16/2006
Msg: 199
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Posted: 2/1/2008 9:36:41 PM


Thats an interesting and encouraging post agapenow - cool - and in the end all Israel will be saved..


Actually, I don't find that last bit either encouraging or interesting...I find it preachy, arrogant, insulting and prosletyzing and really needlessly so...but we're all entitled to our opinion. That's yet another one of the reasons I prefer Judaism as it does not actively seek converts, unlike Messianic Judaism or Christianity.

Until a short time ago, the Southern Baptist Council, which along with many other evangelical churches gave Messianic Jewish groups like Jews for Jesus a huge amount of funding and support, used to refer to Jews as being in "spiritual darkness" and bound for eternal damnation and hellfire. They now only reserve this for Hindus and Buddhists and Wiccans ...oh yeah and non-Messianic Jews.

Still all part of the same movement to either missionize to, convert, or kill off all of the "perfidious, stiff-necked Jews" who are holding up the Second Coming.
 Jacobus101
Joined: 12/30/2007
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Posted: 2/1/2008 10:32:29 PM
themadfiddler said,


I can't speak or read Hebrew fluently, but I can tell you in the limted understanding of what I have, and based on the information that this rabbis lectures gave me and that of others since, I cannot understand how someone who really knew their Jewish faith would become what is essentially a Christian, call it a Messianic Jew, or completed Jew, but the concept is the same...it is essentially Christology intermingled, in my opinion unneccesarily, with Christianity.


Hmm.... well, it happens regardless. One example off the top of my head here is the former Chief Rabbi of Rome during WWII, Israel Zolli. He belonged to a family of rabbis and was undoubtedly quite well-learned in the Torah and Talmud. However, after the war, he was baptized into the Catholic Church by Pope Pius XII and changed his first name to Eugenio (after Pius XII's birth name, Eugenio Pacelli). According to him, he experienced a vision of Jesus Christ while officiating at Yom Kippur.

This is an article entitled "Eugenio Zolli's Path to Rome" from the Catholic Christian point of view. http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/print2005/swallow_zolli_sept05.html

To be fair, I'll also include a page from a Jewish "anti-missionary" page about Israel Zolli's conversion. LOL, pretty harsh words for the guy, though. http://www.outreachjudaism.org/rome.html


And what I don't get is if a schmuck like me who was not raised in a Jewish environment with the culture, with the language, can see the problem inherant, the vast dichotomy between the two faiths and the simple truths inherant in Judaism on its own that require no "doctoring" from Christology, why a Jew cannot.


And:


I would like to know if in your 36 years how much of a Jewish education you had? How much Hebrew School did you attend? Did you have a bat mitzvah? After that? I mean as you and even I, a frozen Canadian goy from up in Oh Canada know, there is being raised Jewish and being raised Jewish so when someone comes on a forum and says it, we should know what it means. How long did you attend shul? Did you?


I often feel the same way, except in a different situation. As a convert to Catholic Christianity and absolutely loving it, I don't understand why so many "born and raised Catholics" leave it for something else. But it happens.

Also, I share your sentiments and I think there's a big difference between being raised Catholic and being raised Catholic. Most people who claim to be raised Catholic may have been baptized at birth, attending Mass once in a while, and maybe even received confirmation, but that's about it. Most of them don't know any Latin or might even be surprised that at one time, all Masses were entirely in Latin. The Mass is usually in the vernacular now, but most Catholics today understand it much less than back when it was in Latin. They don't understand the word "transubstantiation" or the belief behind it. They don't know anything about the lives of the saints, and they quite possibly can't even name who the reigning Pope is, much less some rudimentary catechism like the seven sacraments. When asked to name one traditional Catholic hymn, they'd probably name "Amazing Grace", LOL.

In contrast, I have seen a few truly "born and raised Catholics", and they seem so counter-cultural, it's unbelievable. I say that in a positive way, though.
 themadfiddler
Joined: 10/16/2006
Msg: 202
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Posted: 2/1/2008 11:35:15 PM
Thanks for presenting both sides Jacobus, very decent of you.

When it comes down to it, my stance on religion at the end of the day is that whatever ends up making a person feel centered and complete and a good citizen and - in their heart and mind - at one with the Divine, is up to them...and a good thing. So long as they permit their neighbour to do the same, and do not attempt to misrepresent their neighbours attempts to do the same.

Speak plainly and truthfully. Don't try to baffle me with bullsh*t becuse sooner or later, the reasoning brain I was given will start to ask questions.

This, in essence, is what bothers me about Messianic Judaism is in avowing itself as simply another form of Judaism is still the belief in a form of replacement theology and a denigration of Judaism inherant that says Judaism on it's own is not a valid path to truth and you are not "complete" if you simply follow Judaism. Again, the spectre of exclusivity of truth rears its head.

Now I understand this feature is a function of many monotheistic religions, and in a sense to some extent Judaism itself - however - if one follows the Noachide Laws one will not suffer eternal damnation for not having worshipped the god of Israel (in point of fact in Judaism no-one but the most evil would suffer eternal damnation).

But this is, in my opinion, one of the weaknesses of this faith, is that it cannot exist without taking a page from and tearing down its predecessor faith.

If one is to subscribe to any particular set of beliefs, and here we are certainly in agreement, I think it behooves a person to learn EVERYTHING they can about it.



Not sure which theology has a take on the Jews/Israel holding up the second coming Fidd. News ta me..
Which Christian movements are promoting to kill off all the Jews???

Well it's obviously not a regular practice these days except among rather extreme groups...but it was regular practice for about two millenia to convert, or kill. After the Passion play, the usual medieval fun and games was to tar and feather the local Jewry and run them out of town...cut down on loan repayments that way. I trust you'll spare me the encyclopedic research on the history of Christianity as regards the Jewish problem at this late hour...
 scorpiomover
Joined: 4/19/2007
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Posted: 2/2/2008 1:08:07 AM
RE Msg: 204 by Jacobus101:
In contrast, I have seen a few truly "born and raised Catholics", and they seem so counter-cultural, it's unbelievable. I say that in a positive way, though.
I'll let you in on a "secret", Jacobus101. Back when I was a teenager, a friend of mine who went to an expensive Christian school, pointed out to me that of all the Jews we knew, the ones who went to Christian schools seemed to all be much more interested in Judaism. He said it was because when he went to school, his classmates would always ask him why he did this or didn't do that, and so in the beginning, he wanted to know more, just to be able to say more than "I don't know". But as he learned more, he wanted to keep more.

I think it's a case of the fact we truly appreciate things when they are something we are forced to question them.

RE Msg: 205 by themadfiddler:
When it comes down to it, my stance on religion at the end of the day is that whatever ends up making a person feel centered and complete and a good citizen and - in their heart and mind - at one with the Divine, is up to them...and a good thing. So long as they permit their neighbour to do the same, and do not attempt to misrepresent their neighbours attempts to do the same.
As much as it may not seem so to some, this is my opinion. I don't even expect people to believe in G-d. Just being good to their fellow people would do fine for me.

Well it's obviously not a regular practice these days except among rather extreme groups...but it was regular practice for about two millenia to convert, or kill. After the Passion play, the usual medieval fun and games was to tar and feather the local Jewry and run them out of town...cut down on loan repayments that way. I trust you'll spare me the encyclopedic research on the history of Christianity as regards the Jewish problem at this late hour...
I used to think anti-semitism was about anti-religious sentiment. Now, I just think it is a product of psychology and people's desires.
The issue of money-lending was a big one. Christians were not allowed to charge interest to other Christians, so they didn't lend each other large sums of money that often. But also, poor people didn't have much reason to borrow money, because they would be just as poor the next day. So only rich Christians like nobles and the lord of the local area borrowed money.
The only people allowed to lend money with interest in Christian society were non-Christians, which were nearly always Jews. As Jews were excluded from all Guilds, and doing any job with Gentiles other than usury or peddling, it was the case that if the local lord borrowed a large sum of money with interest, it was from a Jew, and if he dealt with a Jew, it was probably to borrow a large sum of money.

So it was quite common for a noble or the local lord to accuse a Jew of something, in order to avoid paying back his debts. The local people were treated abominably, so they would look for any excuse to blame someone else, as it would get their frustrations out, and make them feel a whole lot better about their lives. On top, it would head off any likelihood of a revolt, because the populace would blame the Jews and that would distract their attention from the injustices of the local lord. If we compare how many times that modern governments have to "spin" a situation to shift blame from them for one or another of their policies that is making the news, to the amount of Anti-Semitism that happened in the past, it is probably quite close. So instead of "spin", they had Anti-Semitism. There were lots of men who became corrupt priests in order to escape poverty and gain power, and were probably early versions of "spin doctors", as they got a lot of benefits from helping the aristocracy. Probably most priests were very decent people, and from what I have read and seen, I believe that most priests actually liked the Jews. But the small minority that was corrupt was enough to incite the populace to take out their frustrations on the Jews, which was a lot of frustration, considering how bad it was for the average person.

I agree that most Messianic people probably don't understand Judaism very well. But most people on POF, with the exception of a few, such as themadfiddler, and Jacobus101, seem to think that Judaism and Christianity are the same religion, and only differ on Jesus, when they are 2 separate religions. Fortunately, though, those who are in the know seem to get on for the most part. Just as one example, my best friend's mother was good friends with a Monseigneur for her whole life.
 agapenow
Joined: 5/20/2007
Msg: 206
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Posted: 2/2/2008 1:52:10 PM
Yes, I did attend Temple on Friday nights and celebrate all Jewish Holidays. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and I am a Christian and fully Jewish. All I know is now I feel the presence of God in my heart and soul and that cant be explained or reasoned with but a feeling that lies within me. You can choose to believe what you want to believe and I'm not going to judge you or try to change your mind. Now I have a relationship with God ... before I knew he existed but he was unattainable now I know he is my friend.
 amberwave
Joined: 10/6/2006
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Posted: 4/1/2008 4:59:02 PM
A very good point, the whole Jewish tribe will all probably never accept anything with 100% in agreement. It isa definitely hard to imagine!

I accepted Yeshua quite some time ago. I am still very much Jewish. I am more responsibly a Jew now, more than ever! For me, being chosen is a reciprocal interaction. I am not passive, but proactive.

SHALOM

Heidi
 VVendy
Joined: 6/7/2008
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Posted: 1/8/2009 7:49:59 PM


I have recently met a man who is a part of this small sect. He argues he is Jewish, but he believes in Christ and his teachings....how is that Jewish ?

I am not familiar if they believe all or only part of the NT, but I am curious. When I ask him about his faith he seems to take offence and will not explain how the two faiths can be one in the same.

Anyone heard of this before, or care to shed some light on the matter ?


The best way to find out is by going to a road to jerusalem meeting or listening to a sermon by a MJ. www.churchinthecity.com has a Jewish pastor you can look up topics about it there. The first definition given for Christians was the new tribe of Jews. All of our books are from Jews.

The Jews split in two At the time of Jesus. Ones that believed in Jesus and the ones who did not. First the ones who did not killed the ones who did then the ones who did got enough adopted from the outside to fight back. The Romans went to far and totally hacked off and forbade anything from looking Jewish in the church. The African Church seperated its self from them. The Greek and Russia did too. G Khaun was able to open up a route and war with Africa The Arabs came after 500 years of war later Slave ships from the north. 150 years later WW2. Now here we are <2% of Jews believe in Jesus. The books say that at the end time for the Earth 144k jewish males will believe in Jesus and I believe the books.
 VVendy
Joined: 6/7/2008
Msg: 211
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Posted: 1/10/2009 11:29:12 PM
Jewish is a race you are Jewish by birth or adoption as I said that is it. No matter what anyone has told you.
 VVendy
Joined: 6/7/2008
Msg: 216
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Posted: 1/11/2009 2:01:42 PM
Any Rabbi who teaches against the books of Moses is doing his followers a disservice. I challange that Rabbi to read the words and see that he is wrong. You do not stop being the child of Jews just because you go to church. You are Jewish by birth as it is writen and if one part of the writings the Rabbi reads from is to be made out to be untrue then the whole Scroll should be tossed out.
In the begining God Created and the word used for God is a singular plural. That rabbi is flawed in his teaching and all that follow him should read the books to know what is true. Quote who ever you want I am right and they are wrong. Jesus taught only from the Jewish writings and everyone knows Christians are people of the book.
 VVendy
Joined: 6/7/2008
Msg: 220
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Posted: 1/11/2009 2:58:30 PM
I do not care if there are whole worlds about this topic if they disagree with me they are wrong because I am in agreement with the God who wrote the book. No one can say the blessing without using the singular plural form of God and that lordship is one. If you say listen our family is one you are not saying you are the only member of your family you are saying that your family is in unity. Moses wrote about Jesus as did all of the others David was not talking about his self when he wrote "the Lord said to my lord" he was talking about our lord Jesus. Rabbi should know
They can say or believe whatever they want but the Word stands no matter how they scribble on. I'd get my tiers changed by a butcher if that butcher knew how to change a tire and what did your doctor do to support his self in school? He may have worked in a store no rule aginst it.
 VVendy
Joined: 6/7/2008
Msg: 222
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Posted: 1/17/2009 7:05:06 PM


Do you speak or read Hebrew? I sure don't. But I do happen to know a few people like these rabbis who do. Apparently they seem to know that book a little better than you do. You go on believing though


Yes I've been a part of biblical studies for over 20 years and there are books about each word in the first five books. The first word for God used is a singular pural I am too sleepy to go on. If you want to believe that Rabbi and other followers of that form of thought peace between us. I think if your brother came over to me and said you were not his brother I would go to your parent and ask. I would not go to your brother's friends or children. I would go to your parents who would say yes he is my son. According to the book Messianic Jews are Jews.
 VVendy
Joined: 6/7/2008
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Posted: 1/17/2009 7:18:20 PM
no you do not you want to submit yourself to him because you do not want to be found wrong and he tell you you are right. If you wanted to you could submit to any one or study it out and stop being lazy.
 VVendy
Joined: 6/7/2008
Msg: 226
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Posted: 1/18/2009 10:02:49 PM
You do not know my credentials and I like it that way. Personal information should not begiven in a forum setting but you site sources that are wrong and I gave you real sources to look at and you came back with what some one said. I can quot the children of Isreal's Brother or Uncle they say that Esau or Ishmael was the favored son of Abraham and give you all the quotes they teach to prove that the Jews are not God's chosen. I can quote from Midion Abrahams last named son on how they are the blessed seed. You want to quote from a Rabbi that is doing the same thing. "I am more Abraham's son then they are because...." If that Rabbi has not ever gave a sacrifice on the alter in the holy place he is cut off from his people.

What?

I say if this Rabbi did not obey every piont of the law as it was writen then he is cut off from the people. If he wants to piont to a part of the writings and refuse to see it all so be it. I studied Judaism and I know its holes. I know its holes when it comes to scriptures it does not like. It is caused by emotion not logic that is why he would quote Falwell.
 return-to-the-sea
Joined: 7/6/2008
Msg: 228
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Posted: 4/29/2009 3:43:05 PM
It's an old (and boring) argument. I've run into this before with these folks. Some of them call themselves "Jews for Jesus," but to be direct, what he's saying isn't true. It's a born again Christian spin. Either you're a Jew or a Christian, you can't be both. The belief systems are incompatible, despite the "spin." Having been on both sides of the fence, I speak from direct experience.

And now, having left Judaism over 20 years ago, it's a bit funny that the same drama is still going on.

RTTS
 VVendy
Joined: 6/7/2008
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Posted: 11/13/2009 9:15:14 PM

Either you're a Jew or a Christian

So what was Jesus? Paul? Peter James John... That is total bull. you can not stop being what you are. This craziness is as stupid as replacement theology.
 scorpiomover
Joined: 4/19/2007
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Posted: 12/26/2009 6:31:45 PM
RE Msg: 231 by Chiny®™©:

Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
IMO.......Yes........of course they are.

When Jesus embarked on his ministry, his discourse was with his own people. He never addressed or sermonised to the goyim/infidel or gentile if you like, his mission was primarily focused on the children of Abraham, the Jews and those others of the larger Semite Family. All his disciples were Jews whom were the first converts to his new interpretations of his Father’s Word as presented in the Torah or Books of Moses. BTW indifference to what most assumed “Christians” believe, Jesus stated quite plainly “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them”. In other words he has come not to delete the Laws of his Father or the Prophets as stated in the Torah but to reboot them back into place but this time as he has interpreted them. The Old Testament remains wholly relevant and was never replaced by the New Testament. Jesus was starting a new sect, an off-shoot, a new interpretation of his Fathers Word as written by Moses but still remaining within Judaism but opposed or distinct from the old rabbinic interpretations. This is where he first ran afoul of the old rabbi’s of the old synagogue.
That is one way of looking at things. However, Jesus wasn't the only one preaching a different interpretation of the OT. There was also the Saduccess, the Beithusim, the Essenes, the Samaritans, and the Karaites. Today, there are also the Reform Jews. There are many more groups. So if the Messianic people are Jewish, then so are all those other people.

In reality, you can say that:
1) According to Messianic Jewish people, they are Jewish, but the rest might not be.
2) According to the Saduccess, they are Jewish, but the rest might not be.
3) According to the Beithusim, they are Jewish, but the rest might not be.
4) According to the Essenes, they are Jewish, but the rest might not be.
5) According to the Samaritans, they are Jewish, but the rest might not be.
6) According to the Karaites, they are Jewish, but the rest might not be.
7) According to Reform Jews, they are Jewish, but the rest might not be.
8) According to Orthodox Jews, they are Jewish, but the rest might not be.
They all have their own rules for who is Jewish, according to their interpretation of Judaism.
 scorpiomover
Joined: 4/19/2007
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Posted: 2/1/2010 4:05:52 AM
RE Msg: 235 by Csonka:
The Hebrew church by the ninth century under Roman papacy was much changed and I would think but do not know, they were not Jewish anymore.
That's the problem. Orthodox Jews called their places of worship "synagogues", because they didn't change, despite the huge efforts of the Romans to stamp out traditional Judaism in order to Romanise the Jews. It was the Hebrew Xians who changed the names of their places of worship from being "synagogues" to being "churches", because they changed to suit the Romans. That was the biggest split between Xians and Jews, and that was when Jews finally realised that Xianity was more than just a messianic sect, but was actually a whole different religion, as different as Islam is from Xianity.

Even hypocritically, some taught against Jesus, after being refused baptism by John and having Him killed, a guilty few at the top.
That was the Roman papacy's influence. Far better to claim that their rivals (Orthodox Jews) killed Jesus, than to admit their patrons (the Romans) killed their messiah.

Most of Israel didn't hear the message in power.
From what I understand, Jesus went about preaching in public. I don't know about you. But I can say that even nowadays, Word of Mouth is still powerful in the Jewish Community. Back then, Word of Mouth was the main form of communication. So if Jesus left his house and started preaching, everyone heard about it. It's just that most Jews didn't want to follow Jesus.
 scorpiomover
Joined: 4/19/2007
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Posted: 2/1/2010 2:01:11 PM
RE Msg: 237 by Csonka:
But Scorpio, are not the oldest Gospels writen by Jesus close disciples, and they mention that the Jewish leaders handed Jesus over.
There were plenty of dodgy things going on in Israel at the time by lots of dodgy people. The Gospels don't pick on any of them.

The other problem is that the Xians weren't exactly the first people to have a problem with the Pharisees. Far from it. But all these groups weren't all saying nasty things about the Pharisees. They all agreed on one thing, and only one thing. They all were saying they could make up their own interpretations of the Bible. The only problem with that, was that they all agreed that the Pharisees were the bearers of traditional Judaism, and the Pharisees didn't agree with them. But that's not the only problem. You see, the Pharisees encouraged questioning. They actually believed it was a good thing to question their beliefs and argue with them. But if they won the argument, then you'd have lost your argument. That's the biggest problem facing all these groups: they argued with the Pharisees, they lost, and didn't like it.

So all I have, is yet another Johnny-Come-Lately group, who disagree with the interpretation of Judaism of the Pharisees, argued with them, lost the argument, and still wanted everyone sane to do the insane thing and follow the people whose arguments didn't stand up to scrutiny. They didn't like that, and then they blamed the death of their leader on the Jews.

The Jews didn't all lay down and do what the Romans wanted. There was a revolt in Syria, and the Romans responded by crucifying 5000 Jews. So crucifixtion didn't mean all that much as a form of execution.

The Romans went crazy after the Bar Kochba revolt in 132-136 CE, and slaughtered so many Jews in response that they almost drowned the fields in Jewish blood. The key thing about the Bar Kochba Revolt that the Romans didn't like, was that many of the Jews believed that Bar Kochba was the Messiah. The Romans were afraid that he would lead the Jews to unite in battle, as a force of millions. That was just too many for the Romans to take. So they were very against any possible Messiahs even before this. They had to keep the people down. So the last thing they wanted was someone claiming to be the Messiah, uniting millions of Jews against the Romans, especially when the Romans had not had total control of the land, which was the case during Jesus' life.

The most likely situation is that the Romans decided to kill Jesus for being a threat to the Romans, just because people said he was the Messiah.

Also the Jewish OT holds that prophets were usually bruised and often killed, like Isaiah?
Yes, by the Jews who followed idolatry. They killed the Rabbis, who are also called the Pharisees.

Also the Romans in their art clearly portray Romans killing Jesus.
The early Romans didn't have a problem with killing up Jewish rebels. But the later Xians did have a problem with saying their grandparents killed their own saviour. You don't need to be a genius to figure that one out.

Besides, I don't know if you know, but a few years ago, the Pope apologised for this erroneous claim about the Jews.
 arwen52
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Posted: 2/21/2010 5:55:58 PM

almost eveyone except the Jews know that the Jew Jesus is the Messiah or Chirst [anointed one],


Everyone except the Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoist, Confucionists, anyone practicing aboriginal religion . . .

According to this site, approximately 1/3 of the world's population is Christian. The other 2/3 do not accept Jesus as the Messiah. So your statement is statistically incorrect.

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

# Christianity: 2.1 billion
# Islam: 1.5 billion
# Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
# Hinduism: 900 million
# Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
# Buddhism: 376 million
# primal-indigenous: 300 million
# African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
# Sikhism: 23 million
# Juche: 19 million
# Spiritism: 15 million
# Judaism: 14 million
# Baha'i: 7 million
# Jainism: 4.2 million
# Shinto: 4 million
# Cao Dai: 4 million
# Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
# Tenrikyo: 2 million
# Neo-Paganism: 1 million
# Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
# Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
# Scientology: 500 thousand
 KanehB
Joined: 11/30/2009
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Posted: 6/12/2010 11:43:26 AM
Was Christ 'Jewish'? Yes! He was of the tribe of Judah and followed the Torah completely, as were all of the disciples. I too, am a Messianic Jew. This means follower of Messiah, keeper of the Covenant, observer of the Holy Days and kosher eating. We follow the WHOLE Bible....not just part of it. Even Paul that wrote most of the New Testament called himself a Jew and was Messianic(follower of Messiah) tho he was of teh tribe of Benjamin.
Christianity didn't begin until the 3rd century. All 'Jewishness was forbidden for a while, as Constantine brought in sun-god worship.
I personalloy would LOVE to meet this man you speak of. They are rare.
 g.i.jane3868
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Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 5/9/2012 1:34:30 AM
OH LORD, IF PEOPLE WILL READ. JESUS WAS JEWISH. YES JESUS CHRIST. WHO LEFT THE EARTH AT AGE OF 33.
 melodyof_k
Joined: 5/2/2012
Msg: 241
Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 5/23/2012 11:45:58 AM
a Messianic Jew is still a Jew who has left his/her religion for a different religion.
if you are born to a Jewish mother (who has been born to a Jewish mother)..or has converted within the orthodox way....and born after the mother converted,....the person is still, halachically, a Jew.

many here have written things written in both the Old Testament (which by the way is NOT the Old Testament...it is the Torah, or Tanach) and the New Testament (which I think is called the New Covenent???Maybe??)
that are not meant to be taken literally. Most Jews who have went to Yeshivot or other Jewish schools know this. Too many Christians are unaware of Talmud and Mishdrash and Kabalah....which all help explain the Torah. There are different levels to understanding the true meaning of Torah. G0d does not have to look like a man because we are made in His image. Perhaps we are made in the image of his attributes,...not physicallity...since God is without form.

If Jesus was the messiah....he must have been Massiach ben Yosef and not Massiach ben David. has world peace arrived? have the dead been raised? Has the temple been rebuilt? these are things the Messiah will do...we all know there is no world peace.
also....perhaps Jesus was a Messiah,....there is a Messiah perhaps in every generation. However.....what Jews will never believe is that the Messiah was born of a virgin and that he is part of the trinitarian G0dhead. Man is not G0d. that is the main issue with believing in Jesus. the messiah will be a man,....not God. Annointed by G0d, chosen by God , but not God. we cannot see God and God is NOT a man nor in the form of a man. Worship to any other than G0d Himself is idol worship.
 Complete8
Joined: 4/22/2013
Msg: 242
Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 11/13/2013 9:01:43 PM
Yes. When you read the OT and the NT they are written with "Israel" as a nation and written as YHWH's desire for Israel to be "grafted" in through YeshuaHaMaschiach/Jesus the Christ. When you read the Torah/First 5 books of the Bible you will find there that Yah wrote to His People Israel. So the question is then asked, who is Israel? Israel was initially "Ya'akob/Jacob" who had 12 sons. Of these 12 on of them was Yehudah/Judah/The Jews (which is slang). Now. What happened to the other 11 brothers? Scripture is a great history lesson. When you read it, ask The Father, what are You trying to tell me? He will.
Shalom/Peace.
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