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 redviking
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Are you a man that gets it? No, not sex silly....Page 3 of 11    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11)
Deagle probably gets "it" (sex) by telling women what they want to hear... or at least that's how it sounds to me. While there are grains of truth in what you posted, in the final analysis women (in general) have just as much to work on and understand as men. And pillow talk and "Dr. Phil" psychobabble about how women are "smarter" or "better" or already "get it" does not do anything to encourage them to do so... it justs gives them the warm fuzzy feeling that they're always terrfic, it's not at all their fault, or that it only matters that men "get" women...

How about some balance?
 DeagleNINja
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Posted: 3/16/2006 10:50:02 AM

Deagle probably gets "it" (sex) by telling women what they want to hear... or at least that's how it sounds to me. While there are grains of truth in what you posted, in the final analysis women (in general) have just as much to work on and understand as men. And pillow talk and "Dr. Phil" psychobabble about how women are "smarter" or "better" or already "get it" does not do anything to encourage them to do so... it justs gives them the warm fuzzy feeling that they're always terrfic, it's not at all their fault, or that it only matters that men "get" women...

How about some balance?


RedViking, if you want 'balance' then either get men to commit fewer crimes agaisnt women, or get women to increase their effort twenty-fold...

If you 'balance' in this sense....
"Uh! But she started it!"
You won't get such childishness here.

Did I EVER say women are perfect? No.
And what women do or don't do is a moot point.
This thread about MEN making a better effort.
It's a weak person that excuses their faults with the faults of others.

If you want to think I'm pandering to women for sex, then go ahead, you have a right to your opinion as wrong as it may be. But regardless of whether I was or wasn't, the fact remains that men CAN do better.


Ninja, if you think you are a criminal, it's your business. But please don't bunch us up with you.


Have you raped a woman? Beat a woman? Belittled a woman? No?
Then this thread doesn't apply to you, congratulations, now go raise a son who treats women with respect.


Real rape, meaning forcing somebody to have sex under threat of violence is a very small part of those statistics.


So a husband getting on his wife in bed after she says no isn't rape to you just because he didn't threaten her with violence? I tend to think women would disagree with you.


If I were to say "most women are sluts, but if you aren't, you have no reason to be offended", it would sound hypocritical and stupid, don't you think?


Well I'm not going to say you are stupid.....
But using the word 'slut' is very offensive to women I would think.


In fact, most men will accept a "no". Women, in the other hand, almost never accept a "no" when they want sex. So, if she is forcing herself on a man, is she a rapist?


If this is a case where a woman can overpower a boy or young man, then obviously yes...



And for the record folks, I don't know why this thread has generated so much hostility. None of us are perfect, certainly not myself, we can all do better. If you treat women as your equal and with respect....then don't worry, this doesn't apply to you ok?
 redviking
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Posted: 3/16/2006 11:37:25 AM
Ah... so Molonel is exactly the type of guy I expected him to be... so much so that he feels the ned to try to draw attention to himself in this thread when his previous attempt failed...
 redviking
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Posted: 3/16/2006 12:17:47 PM
simbadsailor- good job on throwing a healthy dose of reality into the discussion. I think men who would sooner promote bigotry towards other men are no better than those who would do the same towards women, people of a different culture or race, or for that matter women who do the same towards men...
 redviking
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Posted: 3/16/2006 12:21:16 PM
Frankly Mol, I don't take anything from someone who must constantly remind us of his (ALLEGED) bedroom conquests and popularity with women with a grain of salt. If it were true you wouldn't have to remind us now, would you? Nevermind that pandering to women IS popular with them. You see Mol, if I were as desperate to get some as you I wouldn't be speaking my mind and standing up for what I feel is right, I'd be saying what women want to hear. Like you. 'nuff said... back to the topic at hand.
 redviking
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Posted: 3/16/2006 1:14:02 PM
And just because I don't happen to agree with you doesn't mean it's sour grapes Mol. I suppose you'd agree that anything Gandhi, MLK, or those feminists who actually wanted genuine equality said was likewise "sourgrapes" to be dismissed simply because you disagreed? Sometimes things are true even though you don't want to hear them. And frankly I've provided far more facts to back my position than you ever have for yours. Your doublespeak and need to use personal attacks to prop yourself up do you no favors and make it obvious that you actually HAVE no real argument, much les anything to back it up with. Anyone with a some intelligence, backbone,self-confidence can tell that you're a clown. End of discussion, this is not the "why Molonel takes issue with everything redviking says but Molonel never offers up any supprting evidence as he fakes left, then right" forum. Have a nice day.
 redviking
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Posted: 3/16/2006 1:45:22 PM
Yes, Mol its true- when a guy presents blatant sexist lies with utterly no supporting evidence, stats, or anecdotes and sounds like he kisses th ground women walk upon- I do tend to think he's for soem reason kissing up to women. Maybe not to get laid, maybe he just has a deep-rooted psychological need not to upset them?

I guess you don't see the irony in attemtping to call me out on this when you for days now have been laying on the personal attacks, and can't seem to get enough, when I actuall HAVE presented reasons. Big difference between a quick one-off jibe pointing out the usual reason guys kiss up to women (IIRC YOU yourself have said as much in other threads a while back, Mol) and a complulsive smear attack that transcends time and threads...

If you knew when to quit and provided any supporting evidence whatsoever for your positions while attaking others for theirs and ignoring the evidence thy do provide, I'd probably take you more seriously... maybe even like you. But a c&cky pot-stirrer is a c&cky pot-stirrer... and a c&cky pot-stirrer will keep circular arguments going just becuase it's what he gets off on. Should you ever actually have a point to make relevant to the thread, I will gladly discuss though.See ya bud.
 redviking
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Posted: 3/16/2006 2:11:08 PM
Surely you jest? Is it different how you point out "male bashing", but then label me as simply "sour grapes" or "needs to get laid" for speaking out against misandry? I'll freely admit taking a little jab at the men and women who spout sexism such as that in the OP, and the women who eat it up from time to time, but the only reason I've said anything negative about you personally is the ongoing negativity that you've been spouting. I'm sure you will keep coming back with more, enjoy yourself!
 redviking
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Posted: 3/16/2006 2:36:08 PM
Lets let the OP speak for himself shall we. Fare you well, Molonel.
 deion8261
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Posted: 3/16/2006 2:49:32 PM
2 damn long to read....guess then i will neva get it....
 DeagleNINja
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Posted: 3/16/2006 8:09:37 PM
Now, why don't you say something useful to the OP regarding his position, and stop growsing about the fact that both he and I surely get laid more often than you? Because, while this is obviously true, it has nothing to do with the argument at hand.


Brilliant Molonel
I salute you sir....


I don't know why this thread has generated so much hostility.

In fact, you know very well why it is so.

For starters:
Accusing men of being potential rapists using bogus statistics.
Calling us criminals while at the same time denying us the right to being upset by it.
Faking surprise when men react when you attack us.

In fact, unless you start to show some semblance of balance and objectiveness, you will receive hostility.

Get it?


Simbadsailor......are you every man????
I neither have the power nor the desire to deny you the 'right' to anything, let alone your 'right' to be offended that I think the widespread use of violence against women by men is disguisting.
If you want to get your panties in a wad that I'm asking men to better themselves, fine.

As for this balance you speak of, it ain't gonna happen buddy.
Women don't put men in the hosipital nearly as often as men put them in one.
Women don't kill men nearly as often and men kill them.
And women only account for 5% of sexual assualt cases by the most generous estimates.

You want me to justify the abuse women have suffered at the hands of men since the dawn of time because occasionally they slap us??? Get real.....

It is NOT a balanced problem, men are the aggressors the vast majority of the time. Until that changes men need to work harder, deal with it.


So a husband getting on his wife in bed after she says no isn't rape to you just because he didn't threaten her with violence? I tend to think women would disagree with you.

Since most wives will do exactly that when he's the one saying no, does it mean most women are rapists?


Apples and oranges, unless of course strange women are feeding you viagra while you are tied down? Get serious, or don't bother to respond to my posts please....
 redviking
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Posted: 3/17/2006 6:34:19 AM
Deagle, your argument falls apart when you try to paint all (or even the majority) of men with the same "evil" brush, and paint all women with a "innocent" one. Men and women... in both cases some are good, some are bad, and most are something in between. So for you to say "most men are rapists" is no different than someone else saying "most women are stupid lying skanks". Just because it's true for a small percentage does not mean the entire group need (or should) take responsibility for it.

I agree 100%, men can and should improve themselves. I don't think that anyone here has outright said otherwise. The issue with your approach is simply the "women great, men bad" undertone/bias in everything you said. Every point you made was "men are bad because/men should do better because/ " and then make it sound like all women suffer at the hands of men when only a small percentage do, and you completely ignored the fact that the reverse is true as well. Men can improve themselves, but you failed to point out the myriad ways in which women can and should do the same! I would even advance the argument that some men have somewhat "lost interest" in impriving themselves... it's hard to say why, but the negative messages constantly directed at men, and the "passes" and special treatment still afforded to supposedly "equal" women, probably tend to erode some men's drive to "do better".

I also agree 100% that the small percentage of men who actually do commit rapes and sexual assaults are slime at best. BUt frankly, the small percentage of women who falsely accuse men of doing so, or falsely accuse men of DV to help them get as much as they can in a divorce settlement, are no better. Lets drop the "women angels/men demons" routine.
 DeagleNINja
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Posted: 3/17/2006 6:41:29 AM
Excellent post Motreal Guy
The original intent of this thread was to encourage better communication between the sexes. I was hoping, in vain apprently, that some men might read my thread and for the first time in their lives actually learn something from a woman.

Rather than see women as 'the enemy', or a walking-talking vagina, they are beautiful and wonderful creatures due to all those factors you mentioned. On average they are fantastic communicators with an excellent grasp of emotional matters. I celebrate, love and cherish the bonds I've made with all kinds of women in my life, sexual or not. The same cannot be said of men I have known.



As for Simbadsailor, Dougie, RedViking and All About Laughs....

I'm tired guys.
If you don't think I make any valid points, fine. But I'm sick and tired of arguing about inconsequential details with you all. I'm tired of being personally attacked for asking ALL men to treat women better.

For the record...

I never said ALL men are rapists, women abusers, etc.
I never claimed to know women better than they know themselves.
I never once claimed that women are perfect.

I don't need to spin facts or or abuse statistics. They are out there waiting for you if you care to look. Men take violence to a higher level than women do. For every mother that drowns her children there are a hundred men that have punched a pregnant woman in the stomach to induce a miscarrage.
My personal theory is that extreme acts of violence are near exclusive to the male gender because men tend to objectify women or dehumanise them. Maybe I'm right, or maybe I'm wrong. But the point is that we can ALL do better, and there's no arguing with that unless you already believe you are perfect?
 redviking
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Posted: 3/17/2006 7:59:57 AM
"Men take violence to a higher level than women do. For every mother that drowns her children there are a hundred men that have punched a pregnant woman in the stomach to induce a miscarrage. "

This is where you get into trouble. For example, I don't know of any stats on "number of men who punch women to induce miscarriage vs nmber of women who drown their children" but please feel free to share yours. And while I don't have hard numbers that 100 to 1 ratio seems like wishful on your part thinking to me... esp. considering recent evidence (I'll look it up again if you ask nicely) that women are the perps of the majority of child abuse and neglect.

As for men taking violence to a higher level... I'll try to find them but there are stats (I believe from DOJ) showing that women are actually MORE likely to use a weapon, resort to deadly force, or to recruit someone else "finish the job" than men.

You are still spouting unsubstantiated numbers pulled out of the air in an effort to give men a negative spin because for some reason you feel women have it worse.

I agree men and women should communicate better and work harder on these issues... but using one-sided arguments and hysteria tactics is probably not going to help. If anything I would say most men already feel more guilt and responsibility for these things than they should- considering how we hear about these things everyday (and rareley if ever hear anything from the other side of the coin). WHich is not to say that some men don't need a major attitude shift in how they view women... but claims that "most men" rape, beat, a nd kill women or support such behavior probably has little imapct on those few men who actually do. And it also tends to take the onus off of those women who could use a similar attitude adjustment.
 these_blue_eyes_1985
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Posted: 3/17/2006 8:46:22 AM
I want to be fair here. I did find the article interesting. Your perspective on women having to over compensate was truly genius. You might be on to something. Other than that you were basically stating exactly what the majority of every women comments about in a dysfunctional relationship to DR. Phil. No offense but no mystery was solved.

I agree mostly with everything you said but I have to be honest with you. I am getting tired of feeling like because I am a man it is a bad thing. You know? That somehow it is my fault that women were kept from having a voice, voting or equal pay. All of which I disagree with. Things should be fair. Women, men, black, white and green. I think we should celebrate our differences. Men and women. Obviously there are differences. No poo poo!

I liked the perspective on women and how they arrived at being smarter than men. I never thought of it exactly like that before. Definitely women have an impressive talent for manipulative, cunning and conniving behavior. I think you are on to something how they possibly honed their skills. LOL. But realistically it is what they do with that skill that matters. Some use it for good and some for bad. But seriously who cares?

It just seems so negative. Saying that women are smarter indirectly is saying that men are not as intelligent. That would insult me. I disagree. It is a little more complicated than that. Relationships fail with dumb and smart people, men and women at fault. Some men are great at manipulation and some very sexy women can tear a motor apart, change brake pads and still look hot in an evening dress and heels. But seriously who cares?

Isn’t it the point that we try to get along instead of place blame? Perhaps the absence of trying is why we are all here in the first place. Empathy is something we all need more of! Can I get an Amen? Men can be ass holes. So can women. Can’t we just get along? The alternative is figuring out how to be very happy very alone. Best regards! Dave
 DeagleNINja
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Posted: 3/17/2006 8:54:13 AM
I wish more women realized how very difficult it really is for males to remain sane and human. Almost everything is against that happening, and when you ladies meet someone like that - please try and remember that those men have fought heavy pressure all their lives to be otherwise.


Me too bro. I myself grew up in a family situation with an abusive father, but thankfully didn not become my father. I credit my mother and her words that still ring in head to this day..."baby, please don't treat women like your father sometimes treats me."

If my mother hadn't been the loving, nurturing person she is, I don't know how I would have avoided turning out abusive like my father. But her unconditional love showed me that there IS another, better way.


Herzon, forgive me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like your post is more of the same 'Deagle is pandering to women for sex' slur, only more tastefully repackaged.

To you and several others that have doubted the sincerity of my comments.....

I'm going to be a father to a baby girl any day now. Frankly, I'm terrified for her safety because I see things others perhaps do not. I see men in their 50's leering at 15 year old girls. I hear husbands talk down about their wives for staying home with the kids while they work 'real' jobs. I notice when women flinch if their man makes a sudden movement.

These aren't isolated instances that happen in 'some other place', these are things I notice everyday of my life. If you don't hit women, awesome, try not yelling at them. If you don't yell at women, great, try not to use your strength to intimidate them.

I'm not perfect, nor have I ever claimed to be. I too can do better, we all can.

EDIT: Thanks Dave. Believe me, I never intended to offend the guys out there, like yourself apparently, that do strive to treat women fairly.

EDIT: RedViking, again, I never said all or most men beat or rape women. Perhaps you should reread what I've written. However, the percentage of men that have in some way imposed their will onto a woman is nohwere near as low as you may believe.
Too many women's first experience with sex is a young man that won't stop when told to. Something like 80% of all women who are murdered are killed by a current or recent male lover.
 redviking
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Posted: 3/17/2006 9:55:58 AM
"The fact is many men, if not most will commit rape against a woman in their lives."

Apparently you don't recall making this statement Deag? Which, I might add, is absolutely not supported by any stats unless perhaps you follow the "just because someone says it's rape, it's rape" mindset (and even then it's a stretch).

Also, and I'm going to say this as gently and non-critically as humanly possible: your family history that you revealed just now likely explains much of why you are more adamant about arguing the pro-female side of the coin. I can understand that... however just because your personal experience with males has not been a good one does not make everything you say right.

I will admit I say some pretty unflattering things about women from time to time... but I do temper it with acknowledgements that they do not apply to all women, or that men are partly to blame for "allowing" or "encouraging" the situation.
 DeagleNINja
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Posted: 3/17/2006 10:17:28 AM

Apparently you don't recall making this statement Deag? Which, I might add, is absolutely not supported by any stats unless perhaps you follow the "just because someone says it's rape, it's rape" mindset (and even then it's a stretch).


IMHO, rape occurs when someone says they do not want to have sex, and absolutely mean it, but find themselves being forced to have sex. If you don't accept my definition, ask a woman if men have trouble accepting 'no' for an answer.


Also, and I'm going to say this as gently and non-critically as humanly possible: your family history that you revealed just now likely explains much of why you are more adamant about arguing the pro-female side of the coin. I can understand that... however just because your personal experience with males has not been a good one does not make everything you say right.


RedViking, my dad used to pin me to the wall by my throat several feet in the air when I was a small boy. But is this so rare? Ask your guy friends how many of their dads were violent ***holes and get back to me ok?

As for arguing the 'pro-female' side of coin, I haven't. The only thing I've said that can be remotely taken as 'pro-female' was that your average woman is likely smarter than the average male, and that they definately have a better grasp of emotional issues.

Here's a tidbit for you to digest....
The most popular female stereotype is the blonde bombshell (blonde hair, big boobs, little IQ). And why do you think that is? Because your average guy is threatened by a woman with brains, money or motivation. And that my friend, is the truth.
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Posted: 3/17/2006 12:48:04 PM
"RedViking, my dad used to pin me to the wall by my throat several feet in the air when I was a small boy. But is this so rare? Ask your guy friends how many of their dads were violent ***holes and get back to me ok?

As for arguing the 'pro-female' side of coin, I haven't. The only thing I've said that can be remotely taken as 'pro-female' was that your average woman is likely smarter than the average male, and that they definately have a better grasp of emotional issues.

Here's a tidbit for you to digest....
The most popular female stereotype is the blonde bombshell (blonde hair, big boobs, little IQ). And why do you think that is? Because your average guy is threatened by a woman with brains, money or motivation. And that my friend, is the truth."

Deag, you're entitled to you opinions and th causes you believe in, and it is unfortunate that you've had the negative and undoubtedly painful experiences you have. But you are still speaking from opinions and not offering up anything other than personal anecote. Frankly while women are probably more EMOTIONAL, or at least more liley to express them, I know plenty of women who are emotional shipwrecks and plenty of men who are in ouch with and balanced in their emotions and can effectively express them when they feel the desire to do so.

As for myself and my friends... none of us had fathers whp were violent a$$holes, sorry.

And as for the sterotype "attractive" female... HOW is that any worse the sterotypical "attractive" guy being tall, dark, handsome, ripped, and rich? Couldn't we then argue using your logic that this is indicative of women feeling threatened by the thought of having to provide for and fend for themselves? So what... lot's of women are shallow and want the handsome rich guy, lots of men are shallow and want the busty ditz.

And nevermind that these days the "stereotypical" male seems to be an overweight, lazy, clueless, sex-crazed slob of an underachiever who can't cook anything more than a TV dinner and doesn't quite know how to work the laundry. Dunno... makes a clueless hot blonde with a big rack sound pretty good by comparison, I'd say.
 DeagleNINja
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Posted: 3/18/2006 9:37:44 AM

While it certainly gauls me to appear as if I agree with the likes of redviking, I'd like to point out that this seemingly understanding and open-minded statement actually denegrates the act of rape by watering it down and putting on the same shelf with "I have a headache, and even though I don't feel like sex I'm going to, anyway" and stuff like faking orgasms to get done with it.


I disagree Molonel. The definition of the crime does not depend on the victim's state of mind. A woman may resist to her last breath, or lay there passively depending on several things such as: risk of bodily harm, finacial dependence, pre-existing abused state of mind, the amount of support she would have if she did claim rape, whether or not she has children or not with this man, even her perceived reputation.

It doesn't change the fact that if a man forces himself on a woman, it's rape.

But I grow weary of discussing rape. It's an ugly topic and a sad reality of the world we live in. Perhaps we can discuss why the average woman is 'smarter' than the average man?
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Posted: 3/18/2006 11:37:16 AM
MARRY ME DEAGLE!!!!!
 DeagleNINja
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Posted: 3/18/2006 11:56:15 AM
Just teasing about the 'women being smarter' comment. Shore yet again makes an excellent point about the different methods the sexes use to approach matters requiring thought.

Personally, I believe women would naturally have to be smarter to compensate for the fact that they are weaker physically on average. Again, speaking of generalities here, I've know a few women that would lose a spelling bee to a rock. Obviously when I say 'smarter' I am refering to the whole enchilada: book smarts, street smarts, emotional smarts, social smarts, etc.

I just find it humorous how man men have never considered it possible that their wife/girlfriend might be more intelligent than they are.


MARRY ME DEAGLE!!!!!


Lmao, I'm flattered but also happily taken, thanks tho she-devil
 DeagleNINja
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Posted: 3/18/2006 7:49:53 PM
You're allowed to disagree. You're also allowed to be mistaken. It's a free country.

Like any other English word, the word "free" has connotative and denotative meanings, as well as very specific legal definitions.

When you make extremely broad generalizations about most or all men being guilty of rape at one point or another in their lives, you better be prepared to back that up. Does that mean you are a rapist? Are you guilty of the crime of rape? Have you coerced a woman to have sex with her against her will?

I don't make the definitions Molonel, I just use them. If ya don't like it, take it up with Webster mate, lol.

But for the record, this is the definition of rape that I am using when I make such 'broad generalizations about men'....

rape: To force (another person) to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.


I'm willing to bet MONEY that your answer is no. You'd rather let the rest of us carry the burden of that charge, wouldn't you?


Then pay up Molonel
I never said I was perfect did I?
Yes, in the strictest sense of the word I have raped a woman.
Not violently mind you, but I did begin sexual intercourse after receiving a clear no.


The fact is, some of your criteria are needlessly, hopelessly and uselessly vague, and fit no legal or common usage definition of the word "rape" that I am aware of.


So sue me for defamation
Molonel, I'm not the legal scholar you apparently are, nor do I claim to be.
I'm just a human being that is horrified by the number of women that experience sexual assualt in one form or another during their lives, be it rape or molestation, ok?


I think the reason you're tired of this leg of the discussion is because your endless tapdancing around legitimate questions is becoming tiresome, and I'm not entirely sure YOU even buy into all the things you're saying.


No, I grow tired of the lack of legitimate questions actually. Men seem to want to argue over minute details rather than address the real problem. Most women, when asked, will say that they have had some encounter with molestation, rape, or simply being exposed to a man's sexuality (flashed) at a very young age.

A lot of men on this thread would rather argue about how truthful women are being, the legal definitions of the words used, or the actual time and place such events happened rather than face reality....men are NOT treating women with respect on the whole.

THAT, my friend....is tapdancing.

Rape is a horrible crime. Don't water it down by putting it in the same category with acts which may or may not be violent, but are certainly not crimes, and certainly not rape.


I do no such thing Molonel. Rape does not actually require violence, perhaps this is where you are getting confused? If a man threats to hurt a girl's parents if she tells and therefore doesn't need to punch her.....is it not rape to you? to the legal system?
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Are you a man that gets it? No, not sex silly....
Posted: 3/18/2006 7:53:52 PM
I am a rape counselor and you are incorrect with your comment about most men raping. If you want I will go into details.
 DeagleNINja
Joined: 9/10/2005
Msg: 75
Are you a man that gets it? No, not sex silly....
Posted: 3/18/2006 8:01:06 PM
No, I'd rather you tell me why so many DO commit rape or molestation with your wealth of knowledge. On second thought, screw it....

MEN NEVER COMMIT RAPE!!!
Is everyone happy now????
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