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 piscescoda
Joined: 6/17/2005
Msg: 230
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Sure ADD/ADHD is real. However I'd say it's WAY, WAY, WAY too overly diagnosed. It IS used in quite a few situations where the parents just want an excuse for their bad parenting.
 Madrid62
Joined: 5/14/2007
Msg: 232
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/11/2007 3:44:23 PM
Hi there,

Unfortunately, many kids and also adults get diagnosed with ADHD because many of the symptoms of Bipolar Disorder also mimick the symptoms of ADHD so a good child psychiatrist is a gret resource. The treatment for ADHD works for a while for children who are true bipolars but eventually the mood swings get stronger, the rages, and the anxiety increases. When the anxiety increases and irritability then the person becomes hyper and this is often confused with ADHD. ADHD and Bipolar disorder is very often hereditary. For more information you might try to go to this wonderful link www.thebipolarchild.com and read the newsletters, the "Bipolar Child" book is also a great resource. Often kids who are bipolar and given ADHD meds (amphetamine derivatives) develop worse symptoms with age and can become really psychotic and manic. Hope this information helps!!!
 JuJuBee
Joined: 1/24/2004
Msg: 236
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/26/2007 7:20:48 PM
Sure ADD/ADHD is real. However I'd say it's WAY, WAY, WAY too overly diagnosed. It IS used in quite a few situations where the parents just want an excuse for their bad parenting.


It's always a pleasure to read the opinions of people that haven't walked in our shoes a day---month or gone w/o sleep for days on end because our child can't lay still enough to sleep.

It helps me to come back to the ADHD threads to know that others live through it & survive it. I don't mind the struggle, but I don't want his quality of life to suffer for it-in school, @ home, in society. He deserves better.
 TOSanderella
Joined: 4/23/2007
Msg: 237
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Posted: 10/27/2007 3:41:28 AM
I totally agree with what you said. My son struggled for many years. I would have lists around the house giving him instructions for daily routines, because it was the only way for him to remember what he was supposed to be doing. It was the same routine every morning, get up, eat your breakfast, wash up, brush your teeth, get dressed. But he would sit there not knowing what to do. The lists helped.

One day I found him crying over his math. It was a page of math questions. He said the numbers were all jumping out at him and he couldn't do it. He had been working on it for over an hour and only had 2 questions done. I had to cover the entire page except for the one question he was working on. He finished it in 10 minutes after that.

He had a teacher who found that he could get his work done faster if he put him in the hall away from the other kids. Not all teachers are like that though.

It took a while before the doctor gave me a prescription, but let me tell you, life for him became normal! He didn't need the lists everywhere. I could tell him 3 things I wanted him to do, and they would get done, without any reminders. He was able to do his school work without being a distraction or without having any distractions. The best thing is that his school marks improved. He not a zombie at all, in fact when he graduated from grade 8 he was voted most likely to host the Emmy's. He is funny, athletic, outgoing, and if you weren't told that he was on meds, you'd never know.
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 239
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Posted: 10/28/2007 5:31:09 PM
southerncomfort this:
Don't believe the fairy tales that a change of diet will help or giving the child coffee will have a reverse effect--Bull****
is a ridiculous and a very unfair statement. I am shocked to see it coming from a parent of an ADHD child (IE, someone who SHOULD know better!!!) No two children are alike. Just because something worked or didn't work for your child does not mean it will be the same for everyone else. I have known several people for whom diet change was the key. This did nothing for my son. A cup of coffee, however, calms him better than the concerta he was on. Just work on finding the least harmful thing that gives your child a normal life.
 JuJuBee
Joined: 1/24/2004
Msg: 240
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/29/2007 4:21:59 PM
Okay...I've been doing alot of reading up on ADHD. Is there a connection w/ ADHD/ODD/Bipolar? Are they all lumped together? Can they all be treated w/ one type of medicine or is it a****ail of sorts? I have an appt. Friday am for him. From what I've been reading, Concerta/Ritalin type meds do NO good for kids that are bipolar. His teacher said the change in him since the Concerta was started is AMAZING. The mood swings & lashing out w/ me are about to do me in.
I am not a doctor & don't play one on tv & I realize that most of us here aren't , but it's nice to hear back from ones that have walked the path before me.
Thanks!
 Luvit2007
Joined: 6/25/2007
Msg: 241
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/29/2007 6:07:31 PM
Hi,
Well i use to think that it was the parents fault on the way kids behave. Until i had my 5th child. I have had custody of him now for 3 months because his mum could not cope. He now is 11 and he has ADD. If u ever doubt wot ur Dr has said I have a quick and easy solution on how to find out if ur child has these conditions. With ur Drs assistance allow the child to take the medication. Now if he/she is ADD the medication will allow them to concentrate a lot better and hence the "normal" behaviour. Now if the child doesnt "calm" down but in essence hypers up even more u would know straight away that the child DOES NOT have ADD or ADHD.Sound drastic maybe but i believe a sure fire way of finding out cant fake it with the medication. My son only takes his medication at school to assist his concentration there. At home i ensure that he is constantly occupied. He plays his playstation, watches telly or goes swimming and i rarely have any problems with him. we sat down and made some ground rules together and if he breaks them he knows that they were his ideas and that he gets "punished".
You also must be patient a lot more with them.
Luvit.
 singlemaninMD
Joined: 3/21/2007
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Posted: 11/8/2007 4:45:13 PM
Fish,
I have been trying to convince my ex and her doctor this is the case. I have scoured the web and not come up with any credible diet plan. Do you have any suggestions.

Alos, it is NOT a cop out. My son and I are the same. WE have been tested and our minds are almost twice as active as the norm. We are both very smart and he gets great grades except when he is not made to sit and do his homework forcefully. Mom has thrown in the towel and we get our first D this period. Basically all due to incomplete homework. I need help as she refuses to let him change residences as the big money evaporates. I offered to pay half, but I need money to support tutors/sitters until I get home as well as food, clothes, etc if he moved here. I want him to succeed and having no real influence directly is frustrating!
 my eyes have seen
Joined: 7/29/2006
Msg: 246
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/11/2007 1:17:28 PM
I have to agree with Kevin......A responsible, loving and educated parent would not medicate their child before doing an extended diagnosis. Diagnosing most children is not something done over night . As for my son we diagnoised for 2 or more years before deciding on a medication for his hyper activity and tantrums. Most ADHD children have other behavior factors involved along with the ADHD. One of them is ODD which is Oppositional Defiant Disorder.....No, that one you do not treat with medication but with a good behavioral plan. Parents that educate themselves don't just jump into a Drs immediate treatment plan but they work at making life as normal as possible for the child who has a hard time.
Diet, A consistent schedule, Low levels of stimulating activities along with medication and praise for when your child does comply or do something well are all tools for the truly ADHD.
 JuJuBee
Joined: 1/24/2004
Msg: 247
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/11/2007 7:08:58 PM

Parents that educate themselves don't just jump into a Drs immediate treatment plan but they work at making life as normal as possible for the child who has a hard time.


It's hard to have a normal life for a child w/o knowing exactly what I'm dealing with as a parent. If it takes a treatment plan, I'm willing to try it. My child deserves the best information I can research & act on, doesn't he?
 WinnipegStormchild
Joined: 11/8/2007
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Posted: 11/12/2007 9:01:40 AM
One of my sons was diagnosed as A.D.H.D. with emphasise on the attention disorder..
This dianoses was made only after hours of testing by a occupational therapist and his pediatrician. He was placed on low dose medication.. we tried it for a year.. must be honest his school work improved but the side effect was that his appitite decreased to the point where he was not growing properly, suffice to say I took him of the meds..
He is in High school now.. still has a sever reading problem.. and problems with a school that really doesnt understand that he does have the condition and that he won't be placed on meds..
I think that there are truely some children that have the condition.. like my son that have only been diagnosed after complete testing..
I also believe that there are a bunch of kids that have been miss diagnosed, and placed on pills that the have no buisness being on..
Some children have naturally high energy and instead of pills would be better off if parents would remove sugar from the diets and get them outside doing some organised sport so that energy could be put to some good use.
well thats my two cents worth..
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 249
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/12/2007 7:21:47 PM

He is in High school now.. still has a sever reading problem.. and problems with a school that really doesnt understand that he does have the condition and that he won't be placed on meds..
I think that there are truely some children that have the condition.. like my son that have only been diagnosed after complete testing..
I also believe that there are a bunch of kids that have been miss diagnosed, and placed on pills that the have no buisness being on..
Some children have naturally high energy and instead of pills would be better off if parents would remove sugar from the diets and get them outside doing some organised sport so that energy could be put to some good use.
well thats my two cents worth..


You say that, basically, your child is doing horribly in school and then proceed to say you refuse needed meds and give advice on what parents SHOULD be doing to solve the problems their children have. This just makes no sense.

I kept my child off meds for about a year. We found that giving him caffeine would help tremendously. However, I can't follow him around at school pouring coffee in his mouth. His last report card was mostly D's and F's and this is a child with an almost genius level IQ. He was also slowly starting to lose every single friend he had. We just started Stratterra and are hoping for the best. While giving my child meds is not something I WANT to do, I simply refuse to jeopardize his entire future. We have tried everything there is to try and with him, meds are the only thing that work.
 WinnipegStormchild
Joined: 11/8/2007
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Posted: 11/12/2007 8:22:01 PM
Not every child with these conditions has to be placed on meds ... some children can succeed with out the medication given the proper diets and support ..
My son was on medication for a year... the affect were such sever suppressed appitite that it put him approx .. 2 years behind in growth.. and that was on a extremely mild dose of the meds..
My son does well in all classes that require hands on.. power mechanics, welding , carpentry, he also scores above 95 percent in all maths..
Children with some forms of A.D.D. do not have to be on meds.. what the need is support both from home and school..
As I stated his school staff does not have the experience in dealing with a child with his A.D.D. .. if they did I would not be the one having to educate them on helping him succeed..
I am glad that you found what was needed for your child ... just as I have found what was needed for mine... every child is different and cannot be grouped together .. each is an individual and needs a course of action or treatment , specifically designed for each individual child.
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 254
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Posted: 1/21/2008 7:52:16 AM
I'll say it. It's a cop out. Kids are hyper. Kids get bored. They overreact and act out. That doesn't mean that we should dope them up to calm them down. I was appalled when my sister was going to start treating my nephew for his diagnosed ADD. Sure...lets drug him up so he doesn't talk during class or fidget with his pen. ...

Well, after taking him to several different doctors and psychologists it was found that his IQ level was extremely high and he was placed in advanced placement classes and has not been a problem since. Sure he's still your average kid that will climb up your walls but I'd rather see that then him be a shell of his original person.

It's an easy solution to a hyper child.


First, there is no "easy solution to a hyper child". Second, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about. A child who does not have ADD or ADHD is NOT going to be turned into a "zombie" with ritalin or any of the other drugs to control these disorders. They are stimulants. I will repeat this, alright, STIMULANTS. They do not slow down the brain, they speed it up. Just happens to speed up the part that control impulses, therefore ADD and ADHD kids can control themselves. If anything, a "normal" kid on these meds would be more hyper. I get so sick of hearing people claim children are drugged so parents don't have to train them. It is an absurd notion. When parents start giving their kids valium, then I might listen. As I stated before, one of the most calming things for my son is a nice, strong, cup of coffee. Try that with a "normal" kid. It isn't about bad behavior. My child (the oldest of my 3 and the only one with this problem) is one of the most well behaved kids around, on or off his meds. He just CAN'T focus without them. Everything he has is put into sitting still. He can't listen, he can't learn. I DO believe certain groups are more prone to these disorders....perhaps poverty level families don't get proper nutrition, I just don't have an answer, but I do know it is real. Many of these are the exact same families who don't seem to understand proper discipline either (I am NOT running down all poverty level people, it is just all too common) which makes it APPEAR this is the cause.

I know the cause of my son's ADHD. He was a 25 week preemie. Weighed 1 lb 14 oz and had a grade 3 cerebral hemorage. Yes, my child has brain damage. If ADHD is the worst to come of it (and so far it seems it is) then I think we did alright.
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 256
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 1/21/2008 10:54:51 AM

I don't care..it's still drugging your child to change their behavior. And I never said anything about "zombie" so before you start ranting figure out who you are talking to. And have you EVER spoken to anyone that grew up on ritalin? even they will tell you it made them feel like they were in a cloud. Kind of a daze.


First, it is not necessarily drugging your child to change their behavior. In fact, one of the first things I discussed with my son's doctors was that I would NOT put him on anything that would change him. I don't just love my son, I like him too. We tried ritalin first and it was AWFUL. It did change him so we flushed it and tried others. We finally ended up with concerta (which is still ritalin but absorbed and released differently) and loved it. He was my same active, happy, friendly, fun, playful, child. Not every parent wants to put their child in a drugged haze. Most do not.

Second, I knew full well who I was talking to. You may not have used the exact word "zombie" but made it clear that parents are using the meds to make their child silent and immobile. so, even if you did not use the exact word so many here have, you still jumnped on the zombie bandwagon with both feet. It is so incredibly easy to judge that which you do not understand, isn't it. I can assure you, if your nephew was started on meds and truly did not have ADD or ADHD, they would NOT have had the desired effect. Maybe he was mis-diagnosed (which does happen....see above, the little girl for whom the meds did not work at all) or maybe this was all it took for this particular child. Every child is different. Some have to have meds. Some do not. Mine is one who does, and I have spent countless hours awake, worrying, frightened, depressed, feeling helpless, but in the end, KNOWING his future is worth making sure he is not left behind. This is the only way for him. For most parents, giving their child meds is not a choice they take lightly.
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 257
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 1/21/2008 2:13:06 PM

What the heck did all the hyper, unfocused kids do before we could legally drug them?


Well, that is an easy one, isn't it. They are the out of work, drug addicted, fell through the cracks because no one knew what to do with them degenrates you see thousands of every day. They are the people who started life with unlimited potential and couldn't cope, couldn't handle life, and were pushed to the side. They now fill up the prisons and the soup kitchens of the world. You can say and believe what you want, I (and most people I know) never medicated their child out of frustration and to control their "kwirks". Personally, I did it so my child could actually lsiten to the teacher instead of pinching the side of his leg, chewing on his jaw 'til it bled, and rapidly bouncing his feet just so he could sit in his chair. When he started school they said he could never learn to read, that he was retarded. I KNEW they were wrong. He is 10 now. Just a couple of weeks ago they tested to re determind their reading levels. His is now set at a 12th grade level. I knew his potential and knew I had to do what it took to help him. I never claimed to be an expert. You are the one claiming to know what is best for all children. It is incredibly funny you say that the doctors and I are treating the symptoms not the cause of my child's problems. Try to think here, the CAUSE is brain damage sustained at birth. would you suggest I try to cram him back in my uterus (he is kinda big for that at 10) and see if I can do better this time around?

Thanks, toddy666, and good luck. I know how hard it can be. We weaned him off medication for almost a year and then had no choice but to go back on it. I couldn't let him fail. :(
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 258
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Posted: 1/24/2008 3:16:13 PM
Oh good grief, johne102, where to start. First, you WERE NOT born 5 months premature. They can't save a baby that pre-term now, certainly couldn't when you were born. So, you are not being quite honest here, are you. Next, I never said that jsut because a child is premature they will have ADHD. I said MY child had ADHD as a direct result of his brain bleeding due to his prematurity. His brain was damaged and this is the outcome. I know other kids who are blind, deaf, have cerebral palsy, etc. from the same thing.

No child would ever be put on medication for ADHD because they beat up some bullies at school. I have no clue what kind of school you attended but it sounds frightening to me.

My child was NEVER put on medication to "make life easier for the teacher" and never would have been. In fact, when they tried to say he was retarded I pulled him out of school and kept him home an extra year while we figured out what was really wrong. This is NOT a phase, my child does not need things to do. He is an active, healthy child.

Just because you don't have ADHD and claim to have been premature does not mean there is no one out there who does.
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 259
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 1/24/2008 9:22:38 PM

Maybe what we need to do as a society is value the outcome of children's life as adults instead of just how to get them to behave as kids.

Maybe parents need to be more creative?


It appears that this prematurity has adversley affected your ability to comprehend? I clearly stated numerous times that this (medicating my son) had NOTHING to do with making my child behave (he does that anyway) and EVERYTHING to do with his future. I could keep him off medication and let him fail and essentially throw his futrure down the toilet. He means more to me than that. He has very lofty goals for his future. I plan to help him obtain those goals. He has no choice over his condition, it is not a matter of lack of discipline or the need for motivation. Watch you own child, the person you would literally die for, absolutely devestated, wanting nothing more than to be normal, and tell me you wouldn't be willing to give him one tiny pill a day to allow him to function as a person.

I am the poster who said the kids with problems were the drop outs and drug addicts, btw. Before street drugs they were alcoholics. They were the drifters. Society has always had people who fell through the cracks and just trudged along until they finally died. Many of these are people who have mental illness that could have been easily solved with proper medication. ADHD is one of these. It is real, it can be totally devestating to a person's life, and it can be controlled with medication. You also have the issue of more babies surviving now that never would have before, therefore more problems to deal with.

One more time, YOU WERE NOT BORN 5 MONTHS EARLY. The earliest a baby can reasonably be expected to survive is 24 weeks. The absolute earliest one has EVER survived is 21 weeks 6 days...almost 22 weeks. You are trying to tell me that 35 years ago you survived at 20 weeks. I call BS because I KNOW better. Perhaps your mom had to lie about the date of her pregnancy? How much did you weigh? Looks to me like you need to have a talk with your momma. :)
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 261
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Posted: 1/25/2008 6:54:01 AM
(Too many parents push different diagnosis on their kids so they can get disability for them, that's a whole nother thread!)


I noticed someone else mentioning the disability thing in this thread, previously. I have never met a single person who recieved disability for a child because of an ADHD diagnosis. I can't believe it would be possible, and if it is, needs to be changed immediately. I am sorry, ADHD is no reason for someone to get disability. The ONLY reason a child should ever get disability is if they have a condition severe enough that a parent absolutely cannot work and HAS to be with them 24 hours a day, or if the child is never going to be self sufficient and will require assistance their entire life. With the combination of proper parenting and, yes, many times medication, ADHD kids can not only succeed, but excel in life.

People are acting like you can just walk into a doctors office and say "hey, my kid won't sit still" and he will grab out the prescription pad and give you a lifetime of ritalin. I know with my son, it took tons of testing and evaluations......checking back from the day he was born all the way to that moment. it was not a "here, give him this and see what happens" sort of decision. I know there are some unscrupulous doctors and parents out there, but that certainly doesn't mean they are the majority. I truly believe that MOST people want what is best for their child. For me, medication was a last resort (as it should be for everyone) but when it came down to the choice of giving him meds or tossing his future, I felt the choice was already made.
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 264
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 1/26/2008 10:26:27 AM

You weren't born 5 months early. I'm betting your mom's doctor was wrong about your due date.


He isn't listening. :) I have already pointed that out to him several times. However, during that era, there were still a LOT of very large "preemies" born. In order to hide the fact they were pregnant before they married they would claim a false due date. My guess is that is what happened. No doctor is going to be THAT far off on a due date.
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 265
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 1/26/2008 12:29:06 PM

Now why do schools look for a ADD or ADHD Diagnosis? No one has answered that but me...they want what is best for the system and is in some cases a cop out but not in all cases.


Perhaps, in some cases at least, they see a kid they KNOW has potential and is not able to achieve that potential? I know there are cases where teachers would like to drug every child that ever acts up. I actually had a teacher (who was long past due for retirement, BTW) tell me she wished EVERY child was on something to make them calm. That is a frightening attitude, but fortunately, no one would have ever listened to her anyway. It is also not the norm. MOST teachers and MOST parents are trying to do their best to raise quality adults.

The way I see it is this, if you have a child with issues you need to explore every possible solution to those problems. If, in the end, the only workable solution is medication, you have no reason to feel guilt. If your child had any other condition needing medication you would give it to him. Just like I will not allow a doctor to give my children antibiotics for the sniffles, I wouldn't have allowed ADHD medication without thourough testing. Perhaps there are parents who don't care. There are also parents who insist on antibiotics for a cold. You cannot eliminate all the bad parents out there by judging the good parents who have no other choice but to give their child desperately needed medication.

It amazes me how many people keep saying "but what did they do before these medications". What did women unable to deliver their babies do before safe c-sections? They died. What did people with what are now easily cured infections do before antibiotics? They died. The world of medicine makes major advancements all the time. We should be able to take advantage of the opportunity to give our children a life they never would have had an opportunity for 50 years ago without being ripped apart by people who just have no clue.
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 267
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 1/27/2008 8:03:25 AM
ok first of all my son has ADHD,ADD,BI-POLAR,ODD


i say it is all these people doign drungs that is messing up the kids heads ..i didnt do drugs but the person i was seeing did maryjane and lord only knows what else he did ...but my son and his other daughter both have close problem except she has adhd,add,bi-polar,and ocd ...
so you tell me everyone stop thsoe damn drugs.....


Alright, you say your son has multiple issues, most likely caused by parental drug use. You admit in your profile to having been married to an alcoholic. Your short patience and irritation with your son comes through clearly in everything you write about him. THEN you blame the doctors for not being able to control him with medication.
comeon doctors get your heads out of your asses and figure this out im sick of my son not beable to controll himself.....


THIS is exactly the type situation that makes people look down on everyone who has an ADHD or ADD kid and claim we are poor parents who are not trying.

It sounds to me like this child needs in some really good therapy and perhaps some classes (for you) to help you deal with him and his issues in a more positive fashion.
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 268
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 1/27/2008 9:54:13 AM

Maybe it's time to dispell a few myths about ADD/ADHD.... Now, as I speak on this I ask all to allow me some freedom, as I do deal with (notice I did not say suffer ADD) ADD on a daily and personal basis. How? I am ADD.

Moving on though. By refusing the "Zombie Pills" and paying attention to what this does to me I have learned how to deal with it in a positive manner. I actually use it to my advantage most of the time now. Here are a few facts about it that most do not know or realize.


It is wonderful that you were able to find what works for you. However, that doesn't mean it will work for everyone. My son, too, has a "through the roof IQ", unfortunately, without something to aid him in controlling his body, he can't use his mind. I currently drive about 100 miles (back and forth) daily to take my children to the best school in the area. I do this for all of them, but mainly so he has teachers who can help him harness his abilities. You call the medication "zombie pills" but I have never allowed my child to be a "zombie". What you and so many others do not seem to realize is, if you have to put every ounce of your energy into making yourself focus, you miss what you were trying to focus on to begin with. I know that my child has unlimited potential. He far surpasses me intellectually so I am not able to teach him what he needs to know in order to live up to his potential. I have to seek out those who can. I consider his unlimited energy a tool, but right now, while he is desperately trying to learn all he needs to know, it is only in the way. I know him well enough to know that he will use it to help him later, right now he can't. I allow him access to anything he wants or needs to help him learn. He is currently self-teaching Spanish, he has owned his own computer since he was 5, we spent countless hours and as much money as is required searching out bookstores and buying anything he wants. His bedroom looks like a library. I allow him to dissect electronic devices (well, within reason, of course) and try to re-assemble them in different ways.....better ways. He has numerous Science books he uses to do experiments. a telescope, a microscope, you name it, the kid has the tools to help him use his intelligence and his energy. He also rides his bike, plays with our dog, we go for walks and hikes and rock and artifact hunting. We are trying to cover every base, but still HAVE to have medical intervention.

Just a little side note that your post made me think of. When he was tiny (between 2 and 3) he used to get a screwdriver and take the cabinet doors off and put them back on for fun. :) It was all he could do to lift them but he did it anyway.
 Kiss_My_Karma~
Joined: 7/4/2005
Msg: 269
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 1/27/2008 7:27:08 PM
It boils down to one thing: If a child is truly ADD/ADHD and takes the medication, the medication will help him. If a child is not ADD/ADHD, the medication will make them even more hyper. Ritalin is a stimulant just like caffeine. It has an idiosynchratic (opposite) reaction and that's how it works. If a kid's brain is going crazy with electricty, the stimulant calms it down. If he has a 'normal' brain, the stimulant will only make the kid hopped up as if on too much Mountain Dew. Some people try a modified diet with no foods with red dye in them (there's more I just don't know about the diet), and sometimes it works for them. Good for them.

I think people do tend to rush to that diagnosis, or rush to their doctors office hoping for a diagnosis, but that is also the school not knowing how to handle a classroom of 30 kids. They can't spank them like they used to. I have two ADD/ADHD boys, who got it from me. I was diagnosed after them both after trying umpteen medications for depression that never seemed to work. I do not take meds myself, but when I do, they do help.

My oldest boy was off the charts in his testing to determine the diagnosis. He had NO friends because he was too 'in your face' and kids were put off by it. He did poorly in school because he couldn't concentrate. He was up and down (emotional lability it's called) and his moods were all over the place. No impulse control. Since he's been on the meds he is now very popular at school, gets good grades, has a lot of interests that he actually follows through with, and is the joy I always knew he could be.

It's a tough decision to medicate your children, and most people don't take it lightly. I don't really think you can speak to this issue unless you know someone who truly has it.

**edit**
1. Most ADD people are actually quite intelligent. ADD is tacked up as a disease, when in fact, it can be a very positive thing for individuals if it is harnessed and used, instead of being stifled. I am sure you are all confused now.


Nope, not confused at all. I know exactly what you're talking about.
 a_sweet_fishy
Joined: 3/11/2006
Msg: 270
ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 1/27/2008 8:17:08 PM

Nope, not confused at all. I know exactly what you're talking about.


That was my thoughts exactly when I read that, as I am sure it is with most people who have dealt with true ADD or ADHD. :) Glad to see someone who knows that feeling. :)
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