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 marita_b
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But take note - there is no secondhand alcoholism. ......

wanna bet???????? (fra59a) Go to an alanon meeting and find out the answer for yourself,...
 marita_b
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Posted: 2/1/2006 4:56:46 PM
all of us are stones thrown into a pond,...

some of us make many ripples,...
some only a few,...

but none of us make no ripples at all,....
 fra59e
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 165
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:04:19 AM
Secondhand smoke is a reality and it causes disease in NONsmokers who have the misfortune to inhale the waste effluents of the smokers.

Alcoholics get cirrhosis of the liver but they do not cause it to the nondrinkers around them.

Further, although alcoholics may stink they do not stink up the whole neighborhood like smokers do. One smoker can easily cause discomfort to a whole lot of people around him.

Smelly bodily waste gases are offensive whether expelled from the anus or the head. It is disgusting behavior to expect others to tolerate your stink passively. Smokers should form private clubs where they can smoke among their own fellow-addicts and not bother the rest of us. Like the old opium dens that used to exist in Chinatown.
 marita_b
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:46:16 AM
***Smokers should form private clubs where they can smoke among their own fellow-addicts and not bother the rest of us.****(FRA59)

We already have this,...it's called the smoking area,..or most restaurants and bars,...
it comes with our own door which must by law remain closed,...
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I did note you had absolutely nothing to say about the whole alcaholics affecting no one's health v alanon,...issue,....

but I agree with the other poster who said that this isn't the forum to discuss the ramifications of alcoholism,.....althoug I noticed that you marked off that you drink,...socially,...

you might find it interesting to note though,...

there is AA,...alanon,..alateen,...NA,...and even a group for overeaters,...and gambler's anonymous,....

but there isn't yet a smoker's anonymous,.... I wonder why???????

and why if your this adament isn't there the equivelant of alanon,..which is in fact a group that supports,..family and friends of alcaholics,....rather than the actual addict,...you don't start your very ov version,...for relatives and friends of smokers?,...
 marita_b
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Posted: 2/2/2006 8:29:12 PM
hey marita... ever heard of an SWI, how about a SUI? doubtful at best huh? ;)

you google those letters and see how many things they stand for,..your going to have to give me a bit more than smugg innuendo,....before I can answer this one,...

and you are adressing this to me because???????????????

you are not implying that I think drinking and driving is a good thing,..are you,...

so your beef is with folks working around smokers????

which I believe they still have the right not to do if they choose,..don't they and smokers work too you know,...soooo,...**[so you'll quit you're freakin' whining!]**

what whining?

I was simply adressing a person who thought that alcohol has no fall out on anyone but the drinker,..and well,..that's just wrong on sooooo,...many levels,....I had to rebutt,...

How exactly did that offend you again?....I'm confused,....Kitty?
 marita_b
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Posted: 2/3/2006 8:38:09 AM
sorry kitty it was late and I thought you were yelling at me,...

which was odd cause we agree way more than disagree,..so,...

okey dokey all is well
 Hozo
Joined: 8/1/2006
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Posted: 10/23/2007 6:13:27 PM

Very few are actually affected by second hand smoke to the point where it causes any kind of deadly injury. The air in Hamilton Ontario is more likely to kill you than second hand smoke. Go bug the steel companies.


Well said my Canadien friend. Living south of the border from you in the Ohio Valley filled with steel mills, cigarette smoke pales in comparision to the general air quality Ive breathed most of my life here.

The air is much cleaner now than those days, but the damage is done to us. If anything, if you are a smoker, smoking will only aggrevate an already existing condition. That is not tobacco's fault - its the fault and consequence of living in an industrial society.
 fingsuperwoman
Joined: 5/15/2007
Msg: 182
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Posted: 10/24/2007 12:18:48 AM
The price of gas bothers me much more than the cost of cancer sticks.
 Street23
Joined: 9/25/2007
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Posted: 10/24/2007 1:38:13 AM
I did the patch in July this year! FREE from the State of NY and IT worked, I no longer have to shell out the $8.90 for a carton of smokes.. And my tastebuds came alive again.. Pu$$y tastes better too..
1-888-NYQUITS
 fra59e
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 186
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Posted: 10/24/2007 2:31:36 AM
Posted By: graham601 on 10/24/2007 1:06:47 AM
... in British Columbia Canada, The smoking rate has dropped by a huge amount in the past few years. Its a combination of price, not being able to smoke in public places , including bars, stores, just about anyplace outside of your own car or home, it is not allowed. You are not really even welcome to sit on a park bench and have a smoke, a non-smoker would not appreciate smelling a cigarette while trying to enjoy the beauty of the park.

The social stigma of being a smoker in British Columbia is getting to be overwelming.

I quit a year ago, Two reason's, Social Stigma and Price. Mainly the former.
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Well, I hear that in New York City smokers are now paying about ten dollars a pack. The reason is that there are so many levels of tax - federal, state and city. This is a good thing, because as fewer people smoke the costs imposed on the community goes down. The reality is that smokers have gotten away for a long time with causing severe costs to the rest of us as we have put up with them.

Here in California the State is calling for an end to cigarette smoking. Already the rate is down to one person in seven, half the rate that was the case fifty years ago.

The statistics for cancer and other smoking-related diseases have also declined, tracking parallel the decline in smoking. So it's working, and the improvement results in huge savings to the taxpayers as public health costs are less.

And there's more. Here our beautiful beaches are our major tourist attraction. Thousands of dollars are spent trying to keep the beaches clean. And guess what is the major source of litter and pollution. Yes, you got it right. Dirty smokers habitually treated our beaches as their ashtray.

That has ended. The city now prohibits smoking in all its parks and on all beaches. The smokers can no longer dump their wastes on us.

The bus stops are now all smoke-free. And some cities, such as Burbank, Santa Monica and El Cajon, have taken clean living a step further. It is now illegal to smoke cigarettes on city streets, in malls, in ballparks, in outdoor caf├ęs, anywhere where people assemble in public.

Face it, smokers. Your disgusting habit is as revolting as public spitting, farting and picking your nose. Most Americans do not choose to be used as your toxic waste disposal site. We have every right to protect our clean air, clean streets, clean restaurants and bars. Your filthy habit is NOT recognized as a right by any law. The price of your addiction is going to continue to rise. We don't want you around. Take your Marlboros and go with your friends to smoke in private in some dark corner of a back room in a run down neighborhood where they are used to losers. Or get smart and clean up your life and quit that habit. If you can't quit, then beautiful Afghanistan awaits you, goodbye, have a good life in whatever is left to your tobacco-sickened body.
 IslandDreams56
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Posted: 10/24/2007 2:45:31 PM
Wow! I thought only religious fanatics could achieve that
level of froth.

I only wish I lived closer to you so I could blow a smoke-ring
in your general direction.

I plan to quit, and soon. People like you don't make it
any easier. God help me if I become as puritanical as you.

Get a life, don't try to live others for them.
 Hozo
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Posted: 10/24/2007 10:24:57 PM

Us non smokers are sick of getting a blast of smoke when we try to walk outside and there is an army of smokers around the door. You want to harm yourself, fine, stay away from me please!


It is the result of your anti tobacco crusade. You chased them out there, since you wouldnt even consider a seperate ventilated smoking area inside those buildings. These are now smoke free buildings for no other reason than a knee jerk paranoia-induced personal crusade against tobacco.

It is accepted doctrine now that inhaling a measley 3ppm of tobacco smoke for a duration of 4 seconds will give you 17 different types of cancer immediately. The American Cancer Society/American Lung Association has done wonders with those untold millions of advertising dollars spent on these scare tactic media blitzes. ....much better spent than on ACTUAL research for a cure, huh??


To your chagrin, yet because of you, the smokers must smoke outside on the sidewalk. You non smokers sneer at them on that sidewalk whilst at the same time unaware that you have filled your lungs with the exhaust of a passing bus.

But its perfectly safe since it isnt tobacco smoke!

Hypocritical Double standard
 fra59e
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 195
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Posted: 10/25/2007 11:29:35 AM
A rapist forces others to accept his pursuit of his own pleasure at their cost.

A smoker forces others to accept his pursuit of his own pleasure at their cost.

Addicted to nicotine, smokers lose their ability to look honestly at their lives.

So instead of addressing the issue, and dealing with their own problem, they attack the messenger who brings them the bad news they don't want to hear:

"Wow! I thought only religious fanatics could achieve that
level of froth. I only wish I lived closer to you so I could blow a smoke-ring
in your general direction."

Next, we see the classic self-justifying excuse-making of a smoker who is unable to look himself in the face in his mirror and tell the truth about himself. Instead of saying "I am addicted, I know it's injuring me and injuring others, I would like to get free and I need help," what we see instead is this weaseling self-deception:

"I plan to quit, and soon."

Yeah, right, dude. And if your wife or girlfriend or sister ever gets raped, remember to excuse the rapist so long as he says "I plan to quit raping, and quit soon."

Pathetic.

How nicotine poisoning really messes up smokers' minds.


 Hozo
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Posted: 10/25/2007 5:59:47 PM
But I dont smoke cigarettes. What then is my excuse?

But, back on topic. I am still waiting for that 500% increase of the price of Twinkies in the form of the same type of sin/health tax. Now there is an endless source of tax revenue derived from diabetic non smoking hypocrites in order to pay their fair share of the health care burden!
 fra59e
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Msg: 197
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Posted: 10/25/2007 7:34:30 PM
Posted By: hozo on 10/25/2007 547 PM
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Message: But I dont smoke cigarettes. What then is my excuse?

But, back on topic. I am still waiting for that 500% increase of the price of Twinkies in the form of the same type of sin/health tax. Now there is an endless source of tax revenue derived from diabetic non smoking hypocrites in order to pay their fair share of the health care burden!
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Sure, dude. Get back to me with your news of all the people injured by secondhand Twinkies. And the stink of other people eating Twinkies. And the thousands of Twinkie-eaters who foul our streets and beaches with uneaten ends of Twinkies.

How boringly predictable the pathetic addicts are. They try so hard to defend their sick behavior by yak yak yakking about anything else but their cigarette problem. Like people eating Twinkies justifies smokers smoking their filthy cigarettes??? Sure, dude, sure.
 betterlate
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Posted: 10/25/2007 7:51:24 PM
tax porn then lets see who really starts ****hing. All you non smokers, get a grip, it is an addiction and I bet every smoker would quit,,, if they could. Like herion addicts would stop, alcholics would stop drinking if they could. It may be a great idea to have stop smoking clinics or "rehabs".

Hey you smokers, write to your tobacco company and tell them, they will send you coupons to help with the costs or smoke the cheap ones.

I wish all of the smokers on here would unite, find an attorney and start a class aaction lawsuit against the ciggs company and demand treatment to get un addicted. Something more positive then just being critical and complaining about the smokers.

We are all going to die in one way or the other and the pompus non smokers on here think that they are going to breathe clean air, drink clean water and eat pure foods? hahahahahahaha Do you know how many people are getting cancer that never smoked?

BL
 Hozo
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Posted: 10/25/2007 10:23:18 PM
Sure, dude. Get back to me with your news of all the people injured by secondhand Twinkies


But..you are not exposed to 2nd hand smoke...unless your signifint other smokes in your unvented house, or co workers smoke in the same closed room you are in.

The lines have become blurred by anti-smokers concerning 2nd hand smoke. 2ND HAND SMOKE, & merely just SMELLING SMOKE are 2 completely different things.

Studies done that anti smokers cling to as gospel deal with true recognised 2nd hand smoke statistics.....which is a suspended particulate count of several hundred parts per million of cigarette smoke, in a poorly ventilated enclosure over a certain duration of time. It is a long term exposure to a concentrated amount. True 2nd hand smoke can be seen as a smokey haze in a poorly ventilated room. One needs to be exposed months/years to this several hours a day. That is where the 2nd hand smoke statistics come from.

And the stink of other people eating Twinkies


Merely SMELLING cigarette smoke is not the same thing...thats only a few parts per million....not much different than the scent in the air of someones freshly shampooed hair or their cologne.

But anti smokers dont know the difference. To them its one in the same & therin lies the problem. I am not a cigarette smoker, therefore I can walk into a building, or someones house, etc, & detect the smell of cigarette smoke the same way an anti smoker does. THAT DOESNT MEAN ITS 2ND HAND SMOKE. Its merely an odor. I find it baffling that anti smokers go haywire over it. A smoker's home ALWAYS smells like cigarette smoke, even after theyve been on holiday for a week, but upon entering that same home after being vacant for a week, a non smoker will gag & rant & do all the obvious demeaning displays & gestures. Its hilarious.


How boringly predictable the pathetic addicts are. They try so hard to defend their sick behavior by yak yak yakking about anything else but their cigarette problem. Like people eating Twinkies justifies smokers smoking their filthy cigarettes??? Sure, dude, sure.


But I dont smoke cigarettes. I am not defending defending this "sick" behaviour. I am being more than fair by not also defending over eating, over weight diabetics who are also a burden to the health care situation but are not paying their fair share.

I am merely peeling away the layers of this stinking onion so others smell what I smell.

This is a perfect example that its less a concern for ones health as it is a knee jerk Pavlov's dog response. When one merely SEES someone else smoking anymore, that triggers a response - not the smoke itself. As you grimace & wave your hand in front of your face in the mere presence of a smoker its obvious to all that there's no thick cloud of smoke present. Its merely a consious public display in order to show your support for your stance.

But I confess I am guilty of this too. When standing in line at the market, I grimace and make faces at the mis-shapen, unhealthy non smoking slob in front of me as they unload their cart full of white flour, white sugar and white potatoe-based "food". How pathetic their sick behaviour is...poor addicted fatalistic bastards.
 IslandDreams56
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Posted: 10/27/2007 1:25:44 PM
to fra59:

You have as little right to abuse me as I do you.
I don't appreciate your equating rape to smoking. I think you are unwise
to suggest it.
I don't call you names, although intolerant azz comes to mind.
You are the epitome of a closed mind.

Get a life pal, and apply your nastiness and name-calling to yourself.

ps. you do look a little chunky, the twinky comment too close to the bone?
 Hozo
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Posted: 10/27/2007 9:03:43 PM
Theres such a small difference in lung cancer statistics between smokers & non-smokers below age 40 that its not even graphed. Theres a nice layout graph on the National Cancer Institute site :

http://seer.cancer.gov/faststats/sites.php?site=Lung+and+Bronchus+Cancer&stat=Mortality

Whether smoker or non smoker, the graph maintains a statistical zero per 100,000 until it reaches the age 35-39 bracket. At that age its only a few per 100,000. It really starts to climb steadily at 60 and peaks at age 79.

All in all, lung cancer death rates are average about 500 per 100,000 AT AGE 79, smoker or non smoker.
Hardly epidemic proportions that we are led to believe, considering average US life expectency is 77.
 fra59e
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Posted: 10/27/2007 10:03:13 PM
Funny how people want to talk about the health issue. I suppose like global warming there will always be some people in denial.

My personal contempt for smokers isn't the health issue. I despise them for their lack of respect for society. And for lying to themselves, failing to admit that they are addicts who need help to get clean. And for assuming that we won't mind if they throw their butts on our sidewalks.

At one time a similar problem was public spitting on sidewalks. The spitters really thought they had a right to spit wherever they were.

I have witnessed an old guy spitting on the floor INDOORS in a public building, at the racetrack in Tijuana, Mexico.

I never saw anybody spitting on a floor indoors in the US, and very few people are so gross that they spit on the sidewalk any more. But at one time everybody took it for granted that they could spit anywhere. At one time, in a similar way, smokers took it for granted that they could foul our air anywhere, in stores and bars and buses and trains and airplanes.

Every barber shop a hundred years ago had its spittoons, and men sitting around waiting for a haircut would chew tobacco and spit. Later they were no longer spitting but assumed they could sit and smoke. Today both those two unsanitary habits are going extinct.

In Congress, every member had a spittoon installed in front of his seat so he could sit there and spit.

But with social pressure, a lot of education, and a few laws here and there, the problem of public spitting was pretty much brought under control. Today you can usually walk down the street without seeing people unload a wad of slimy phlegm on the ground near you. Dirty unhealthy habits really can be brought under control. Public smoking will end.

You still have to put up with dirty cigarette smoke in some places. Some smokers still think it's O.K. to smoke in public. They don't ask your permission. Their days are numbered. Now, more and more cities such as Burbank and Santa Monica have banned smoking on city streets and in malls. And smokers' litter no longer fouls the beaches of California, where cleaning up their filthy butts was costing the city thousands of dollars a year. Bus stops and city parks are now smoke-free.

The end is coming. In a few years, cigarettes will be seen only in museums. Ashtrays will go the way of spittoons - a curiosity of the past.

Today, old spittoons are valuable objects sold in antique stores. If you want to make a good long term investment, start stocking up on ashtrays. They will soon be rare and valuable antiques.

This thread was about the price. Well, America is doing smokers a favor by raising the price so they will be motivated to get clean. Those with brains will quit now. Not just "plan to quit." Do it. Now.
 lekitty
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Posted: 10/27/2007 10:34:15 PM
Please forgive me if this has been brought up already....and as I glimpsed some of the replies flying by as I fast forwarded through the first and the eleventh pages, respectively, if I missed this point being made by someone else....BUT, while we can all agree on the basic facts.....i.e. smoking is gross, yet lots of folks who are NOT gross do it. (There are numerous other um..."behaviors" that are "gross" but thank god we don't debate them all here!)
Now, please bear with me for just a second....this really is ALL connected... I swear! In a study that I read only a couple of years ago, the United States was the only country (the ONLY ONE!!!) where the poor were obese and the wealthy were more fit and healthy by medical standards. In most other coutries....it's the poor who are akinny and the wealthy (who choose to make a symbolic gesture of their wealth by showing it off in girth of their bodies apparently!) who are at a more healthy weight, plus a good 50 pounds or so, apparently!
Why did I bring this up? Well, for the same reasons that Americans who smoke must pay more for their cigs.....the so-called "War on _____" (Fill in the blank with your favorite hot button issue....drugs, terror, cancer etc...the list does go ON and on!!!) MUST appear to take place or else those officals we've elected will appear inefficient!!! If the country really knew that we supplied many of our enemies with the weapons they now possess but "back then they were our friends!" and the war on drugs must appear to be taking place although our govt. has agreed to ALLOW a certain amount of this-that-and-the-other-thing (namely cocaine, but now methamphetamines!) into our contry as a way of paying for the assistance we give those countries (among other "trade-offs" we make).......


And don't EVEN get me started on "Cancer" because my mother died from colon cancer. As a former health food store employee, I saw NUMEROUS people who followed a very healthy diet and exercise program who had BEEN diagnosed with cancer. And yet....after following thier own "plan of attack"... were found to be CANCER FREE only a year or so later!!! The reason why the FDA and the CDC and every other govt. agency concerned with health didn't jump up and down screaming and announce it??? How many millions of dollars were spent in the United States alone last year on cancer research?? And if there was a way to "fix it" that was much more simple and much less expensive....the govt. says, "But how do we MAKE $$$$ on this???" I'm sorry but I can't help but believe this as the truth...I've seen to many so-called miracle patients in ONE place to think otherwise.
The ability to cure our problems exists before us, ALL of us....yet, we refuse to pick them up and try them on. We continue to TRUST out governments (around the world....) to do "what's best for the people" and yet....a little investigation shows that they do what's best for themselves....PERIOD! Why do you even wonder why taxes on smokes increase??? they jack 'em up, CUZ THEY CAN!!!!......And That's the Bottom Line! (sorry, OP...they all suck but that's what I think is really true...and I think a lof of other folks might agree...though whether they want to get "associated" with someone who's out on the fringe like me...whew, I don't know...lol... Chin up, honey! ) And just blow your smoke at anyone it irritates...that's what I try to do!


Heeheehee....damn but I wish I could....I cower in the loo, smokin' like a fiend...damn!
Good luck!
P.S. It's the curse of a capitalistic sort of system...supply and demand I suppose...in addition to the extra costs for the anti-smoking ads, all the tobacco companies must underwrite the costs to make the ANTI-smoking ads along with their "smoke five an hour and be happy, sexy AND cool ads.." It's all a bit much for them, eh? Where else they gonna make it up but at OUR end???? (dman them anyhow...I couldn't just quit now, could I? OR maybe back when they were $1.50 a pack....but noooo, had to keep on tokin' away...damn it!")
 IslandDreams56
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Posted: 10/27/2007 11:40:51 PM
Still laughing, Charles.

There are no rational people who will defend smoking. It is by
definition an irrational act. Most people I know that do smoke
are very conscious about the downstream affects.

I'm not proud of the fact I have the occasional cigarette.
That doesn't make me a bad person. I'm not a coward, or stupid.

I know the hazards of my behaviour and minimize any effect on anyone else.
However......in truth?

Keep jacking the taxes up, please.
I think tobacco should be more expensive than heroin.
Really.
 Hozo
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Posted: 10/28/2007 12:34:56 AM

Tobacco-Related Monetary Costs in the USA as of 2002, , according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control.

Healthcare Costs. Total annual public and private health care expenditures caused by smoking: $75+ billion

- Annual Federal and state government smoking-caused Medicaid payments: $23.5 billion

[Federal share: $13.4 billion per year. States share: $10.1 billion]

- Federal government smoking-caused Medicare expenditures each year: $20+ billion

- Other federal government tobacco-caused healthcare costs (e.g. through VA health care): $8 billion
TOTAL: $126.5 billion



OK..smoking costs $126 billion in 2002....BUT:



Health care cost of diabetes in the United States, 2002, according to the American Diabetes Association

Direct medical costs: $92 billion
Indirect costs: $40 billion (disability, work loss, premature mortality)
Total (direct and indirect): $132 billion


Diabetes costs $132 billion in 2002! Not much difference, eh??

If cigarettes costs $30 a carton, likewise a box of Twinkies should cost the same.
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