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 lypiphera
Joined: 1/8/2007
Msg: 846
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Phimosis - doctors in the US diagnose it in intact boys whose foreskins hadn't retracted yet by the age of 5. Fact of the matter is, in countries where boys aren't routinely circumcised, the median age of retraction is age 10, and it's normal to still be unretractile well into adolescence. Cases of true phimosis can be solved by gentle stretching/pulling and would make the removal of sensitive sexual tissue (ie the foreskin) unnecessary.

Penis tearing during sex - I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Foreskins allow for plenty of extra room within the loose skin, so I'm not sure where the danger of tearing would come from. I can imagine the chance would be more pronounced in penises that have tight circumcisions, where the skin is stretched taut when the penis is erect, with no room to move.

Sanitary factor - it's called a shower.

Cancer in foreskin - it's not actually cancer in the foreskin that is said to be a risk, it's penile cancer, which some studies show is almost eliminated with circumcision. But the fact is that penile cancer is so rare that it's an overcompensation to circumcise all boys on the miniscule risk. Another fact - more babies die from circumcision complications than there are men who die from penile cancer. Breast cancer is far, far more common. Should we remove baby girls' breast tissue to remove the risk for them?
 Falling Ember
Joined: 4/16/2008
Msg: 847
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/25/2008 9:01:33 PM
I prefer cut over uncut but am not picky when it comes to a guy's penis. As long as it functions and won't give me a disease, I'm a happy camper.

I've never encountered any problems with cut men, but have encountered two issues with uncut men. I've been with two in my lifetime and both times I tried to give a BJ and couldn't due to the cleanliness factor. I just gave up in the end and tried to hide the fact I was grossed out. The other issue was the skin...it was excessive and weird to me. I think this had more to do with me being unfamiliar with an uncut penis more than anything else.

In the end, if the guy is uncut I would never let him know my preference because there's no reason for him to know. I'll be happy with whatever he has to offer and see no reason to hurt him. I'm sure there are physical things about me he would prefer to look differently but doesn't speak up about.
 Vindicator
Joined: 7/27/2007
Msg: 848
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 3:54:21 PM
lol..you people are worse than the religious people that knock on doors peddling faith. Where do you people come from anyways? Bottom line is...a circumsized penis is cleaner than an uncircumsized penis. In your world, do men who need to get circumsized later in life...do not exist, or, rather...do they just not take showers??

Cut it off.
 tallshyman
Joined: 1/1/2008
Msg: 849
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Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 4:15:14 PM
Do you want The frenulum cut off too?
 MAHJADAH
Joined: 7/14/2007
Msg: 850
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 4:26:22 PM
excalibur, it's not easy to find a doctor who is willing to perform a circumcision on an adult. the only reason that i know this is because i knew an adult male who wanted to be circumcised and it was very hard for him to find a doctor willing to do it without a serious medical reason for why it should be done. even so, he had to sign all kinds of paperwork before hand. it's a much ,more serious operation when one is and adult due to all of the nerve endings involved not to mention a horrifically painful healing process. also, upon healing, the male has reduced feeling and sensation in his penis. remember, all surgeries leave scarred tissue and this is where the lesser feeling comes from. IMO it just seems less traumatic to have it done as an infant when all of the nerve endings aren't attached completely.
 lypiphera
Joined: 1/8/2007
Msg: 851
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 5:17:24 PM
*shrug* I can't imagine it's easy for a cut man to accept the truth, so I'll stop. Your "bottom line" didn't do much to refute anything I said, however. As for men "in my world" needing to be cut later in life... I live in the same world as you do, dude. And very rarely do men in non-circ'ing countries need to get their foreskins cut off as adults.

On the other hand, I can't let the baby nerve endings comment by HRH go. The American Association of Pediatrics strongly recommends using anesthetic during infant circumcisions because it has been indicated by countless studies that babies undergo incredible pain during circumcision. This is indicated by erratic heart rates, higher blood pressure, and a near-comatose state that they enter into as a defense against the pain. It hurts them, plain and simply. Unfortunately, there are no effective methods to lessen the pain that wouldn't involve excessive anesthetic for an infant or risk permanent nerve damage, so many doctors still don't use any pain relief. The only people reason think it's less traumatic for infants is because they can't sit up like a grown man, throw the scalpel at the doctor, and scream, "F*CK YOU, THAT HURT."

You might say that at least an infant doesn't remember it. That's arguable, but there's really no validity in saying that a baby's nerve endings are unattached and so it's less painful or traumatic. Either way, forgetfulness hardly seems to be a good reason to inflict pain on a baby.
 Fight Naked
Joined: 7/11/2008
Msg: 852
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 5:30:49 PM
I find the not circumsized better. But it might be in what you are use to and know. I also heard that to do this as an adult is not wise unless you have a health risk. I also read that there is really no reason or circumsize. Listening to a mecidal program it was said that more are not leaning to doing nothing. Not being circumsized leaves you more sensative as the area is covered and protected. I have not been with that many men but do prefer the uncircumsized man. It could be just the man. I was so in love. The circumsized just was not as good.

There are medical arguments that is prevents cancer...

But I from what I have read waiting is not such a good idea... really not a good idea.

I do know one grown man that had this done and siad it was AWFUL but okay afterwards. Now, not so sure it is better. He just felt he wanted to look like other men in the locker room.

Be clean and there are no issues. We all like clean men and woman. My man was always clean and it was always fine.
 Fight Naked
Joined: 7/11/2008
Msg: 853
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 5:31:21 PM
oops, hit the buttom twice.. gone now
 Gary712
Joined: 11/12/2006
Msg: 854
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 5:38:26 PM
I know that I am a little over three tears late with this one.
I was uncircumcised until I was 34 years of age. All four of my sons are circumcised. I remember through out the years especially younger that I got my foreskin caught in the zipper on a number of occasions. I did not want that for my sons. Now that was very painful.
On the plus side having foreskin, is much more pleasurable, short term, the sensations are grater over being clipped.

I noticed right away that it was much more pleasurable in the long term, as one had greater control over orgasms, one can go much longer when clipped, because there is less sensitivity, and friction created by the movement during sex. I believe more enjoyable for both involved in the intimate relationship.

On the circumcised point, no matter how much time one cleaned ones foreskin, it just did not seem to last. There was always an order after three or four hours, infections are much more common in ones partners. I did not look back after doing so, I was put out while they did the procedure, I believe it was less than an hour. I would not hesitate in having it done again, and again if need be.

Gary
 Vindicator
Joined: 7/27/2007
Msg: 855
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 5:48:32 PM
the only 'truth' is...that without a foreskin...the penis is cleaner. more sanitary. problem free.

I...or any one else I have ever met in my life who was circumcised as an infant...never remembers it. Anyone who has had the misfortune of not being cut at birth...and needed it done later in life for a plethora of reasons..... never forgets it. (Yes, it does indeed happen from time to time. Don't kid yourself sister...)


Cut it.
 Diebstahl
Joined: 6/11/2008
Msg: 856
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 6:20:35 PM
I am not circumsized and reading through some of the posts leaves me with a bit of wonder. Yes, being circumsized does allow for you to be"cleaner" so to speak but really....it's not hard to stay clean while be uncircumsized. I never had a single problem with getting it caught in zippers, infections, or what not. Tearing during sex was never an issue either. That's what lubrication, natural and assisted, is what is for.

And yes, after a few hours there is odor again. But then again, if I am with a lady and things get hot and heavy I take a moment to make sure thats not an issue. Keep the condoms in the bathroom and say I going to get some, then while there, give a quick wash and dry off. Really not that difficult.
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
Msg: 857
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Posted: 7/26/2008 6:40:51 PM
Vindicator seems to be having some serious issues with being circumcised. As for his inane comment about removing the foreskin removes the risk of cancer to the foreskin .. well DUH! Maybe we should require women to have their breasts removed at birth to prevent breast cancer? How about all males having their prostate removed at birth for the same reason? What a remarkably dumbass comment..
 lypiphera
Joined: 1/8/2007
Msg: 858
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 6:54:20 PM
I don't kid myself about the reality of adult men needing circumcisions... brother. I know it does happen. But if you're really willing to debate some more... let's go over the main reason that adult men are circumcised later in life - phimosis. If you can think of more, bring it up, I'll be sure to help you with that one, also.

Phimosis is the condition where the foreskin cannot be retracted back behind the head of the penis. This is caused because of adhesions under the foreskin. Now, a normal intact man is not going to have these adhesions. The underlying cause goes back to infancy. For many years (and some still to this day), pediatricians told parents of intact boys that they had to retract the foreskin daily to clean under it. A baby boy's foreskin is naturally stuck to the glans, the same way your fingernail is stuck to your finger. Pulling it off not only is extremely painful, but can cause scarring and inelasticity in the foreskin. Which is the main cause of phimosis later in life. Doctors in non-circ'ing countries don't tell parents to retract and clean under the foreskin, which is why the rate of circumcision is adult males is more pronounced in the US (aside from the general circ-happy attitude of doctors).

As for the cut penis being problem free... that's also debateable. Everything from skin bridges, curved penises, two-tone shafts and lack of sensitivity has to do with circumcision.

Fight Naked - a question for you... you said it was more enjoyable uncut... can you explain how? I'm kind of curious. I don't know any woman irl who has slept with an intact man.
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
Msg: 859
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Posted: 7/26/2008 7:16:42 PM
I'd just like to beat all the other "complete pricks" in this thread by being the first to make the offer of being lypiphera's first ..
 Vindicator
Joined: 7/27/2007
Msg: 860
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 7:24:07 PM
Again...phimosis will not happen if the child is circumcised at birth. Period. As for skin bridges, curved penises...they can happen to anyone, cut or uncut. I don't know what the hell two tone shaft is...but I am sure it is nothing like having the end of one's infected sore penis sawed off with a razor blade... with nothing to dull the pain...for 45 minutes like an adult circumcision. As for lack of sensitivitity, well...lol...that is like comparing apples to oranges. There are those who have been cut later in life...who have said it it better with the skin....and others in the same boat....who say it is better without. Who's lying? lol....All I know is anytime I've had sex, it's been pretty enjoyable, and I don't have to worry about trapping any communicable disease under a foreskin...to potentially pass it on to another....

Cut is Cleaner...Snip!Snip! Snip!
 Vindicator
Joined: 7/27/2007
Msg: 862
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 7:37:23 PM
laffable ...no objectivity...and constant subliminal propaganda. Like the rest of these site these people base their 'ideas' on. No mention of tearing the foreskin on the underside of the penis (rare...but DOES happen)...and trying not to have an erection for the next2 weeks or so...in case of re-opening the cut.... Hooey at best!
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
Msg: 863
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Posted: 7/26/2008 8:13:11 PM
well lets see, 48 years old, no diseases caused by having an intact, unmutilated prick. & guess what? I don't sleep with skanks so I guess that could be the reason people get diseases? Doesn't matter how often you wash it if you're going to stick it in some festering hole..
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
Msg: 864
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Posted: 7/26/2008 8:16:58 PM

I am sure it is nothing like having the end of one's infected sore penis sawed off with a razor blade... with nothing to dull the pain...for 45 minutes like an adult circumcision.


It would appear that you're the one suffering from:

laffable ...no objectivity...and constant subliminal propaganda. Like the rest of these site these people base their 'ideas' on.

45 minutes? & you got that figure from...? a box of cornflakes? I had a tumor on my spine removed in half that time....
 Vindicator
Joined: 7/27/2007
Msg: 865
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/26/2008 9:09:33 PM
well, there are stitches involved...shrugs...you ain't dead yet...so keep on washing that foreskin of yours...It would appear from reading this forum ....that it keeps the Grim Penile Reaper from striking!
 Diebstahl
Joined: 6/11/2008
Msg: 866
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/28/2008 1:14:02 AM
I am not doctor.....but it would seem to me that the under the foreskin is not the magical place where diseases are kept. If you have a disease, you have it, its in your blood, in your semen, not under a fold of skin. Bacteria can fester there...but yeah...just wash the damn thing. Takes a whole 15 seconds and its like second nature such as when you wash your hair or armpits.

I don't see what the whole deal and hub bub about "OH NOES....I might transmit disease more easily" Making a mountain out of a mole hole and the point is moot. Don't sleep with shady people, use protection and take the extra 15 seconds to use soap and water.
 VVendy
Joined: 6/7/2008
Msg: 867
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/28/2008 1:23:06 AM
Why not leave it on OP? If you are Jewish you must do it on day 8. Moses tried wiating his wife had to do it herself she was so mad at him for almost causing her boy to die that she tossed the skin at him and siad you are a bloody husband to me. I'm thinking that even back then black women had to do more then their fair share but that was asking too much lol
 David440
Joined: 6/23/2008
Msg: 868
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 7/28/2008 4:26:27 AM
Im betting the men bashing this lady are uncut
 coldlogic
Joined: 12/29/2008
Msg: 870
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 1/10/2009 4:41:22 PM
i dont mind either way
but i like cut a bit better
 TheyCallMeMrAwesome
Joined: 7/27/2008
Msg: 871
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 1/11/2009 1:58:22 PM
I'm uncut and would probably be pissed if i was, thats like genital mutilation i think, ewwww
i don't see what the big deal about it looking better is, only you and your S/O get to see it, I am proud to be uncut, and getting cut when your at a later age, no thanks, that sounds like torture
 ohio07
Joined: 12/27/2008
Msg: 872
Circumsized or not circumsized
Posted: 1/17/2009 11:56:28 AM
"I'll go if YOU go honey? Is it a deal? We can get two for one at the Chop Shop. What, C'mon baby! This was YOUR idea. Why are you so nervous? It's only skin silly. What, no, there's NO anesthetic, they just CHOP it off. Honey, don't call your mom, OR the Police! Honey, open the door. Let me in the car! Honey! Shit. This is the LAST time I let HER talk me into... Anything!!!"
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