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 RDtoo
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Rip, I must be watching a different news show than you..lol. While there are many neighborhoods in Detroit that need to be bulldozed, I think there are alot of positive things happening. Not long ago I stood watching ice skaters on Campus Martius and there were people everywhere out having a good time. I felt completely safe and this is an area I would not have been caught dead in 20 years ago. When I was in my 20s all the cool bars and clubs were in the suburbs. They are all downtown now. Ask any 25 year old. I admit Detroit was deservedly a ghost town in the 80s, but with the casinos and all the business that has moved downtown from the suburbs (true), downtown is happening. I cannot defend the outskirts of town, and would not recommend driving around there, but downtown Detroit has made a comeback, and hopefully it will keep spreading outward.
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
Msg: 52
Ever spend a night in Detroit?
Posted: 7/22/2013 11:43:14 AM
There you go, folks.
POF posters were predicting the future from 7 1/2 years ago.
Did you know that Detroit has a 47% illiteracy rate?
And that 50 years ago Detroit had the HIGHEST per capita income in the nation?
 Paul K
Joined: 3/10/2006
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Posted: 7/22/2013 12:16:31 PM
The fact that Detroit went BK AFTER GM was bailed out, and supposedly doing well, says volumes about the management of the city, and what they do, and what philosophies they follow, even if they don't work. I used to love going to visit family there, because we would always go to a place called Carls Chop House for dinner. It was in the worst part of town, it had 12' tall fences with barbed wire on top, but it was still THE place to go for a steak.

Most people moved out of Detroit into the suburbs, and the ones that couldn't afford to move just stopped paying the city for things like property taxes, etc, and the city stopped enforcing.

If you really want to know why Detroit is in the shape it is in, just look to see what party the politicians that have been running the city for the past 40 someodd years belong to, and how they have been running the city, and you will understand. There are still nice places to live in the area, but they are all out in the suburbs.

The only way to save the city is to raze it all down, sell the property to private parties to build anew, and hopefully the new owners will realize that until they change the political structure from the top down, this cycle will repeat itself all over again.

Paul K
 Sciencetreker
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Posted: 7/22/2013 12:44:03 PM
Yes, years ago went to a hockey game in Detroit.I hadn't lived that long in Canada and thought Montreal and Toronto were typical North American cities...crossed the border at Windsor...bug eyed...this was civilization? Detroit was the worse but large US cities are for the most part sprawling dumps interspersed with a bit of civility and culture. A couple years back was in St Louis....yikes...Detroit part 2 right out of some Mad Max movie. Never see anyone pick up a piece of litter and put it in the waste bins.

Having said that,, there are some clean mid sized cities. Spokane south of us is an example and SaltLake City is quite well taken care of. Seattle is on the plus side.
 whippedboi
Joined: 3/12/2013
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Ever spend a night in Detroit?
Posted: 7/22/2013 1:15:37 PM

and YES Detroit is pretty bad. I have been through there many times.


it's "THAT BAD" and so scary, yet you keep going back, have been there MANY times? something doesn't compute

WHY? why would you go there repeatedly if you are REALLY scared sh1tless and feel you could likely be shot/killed at any moment?
a little exaggeration/hyperbole? good stories for the kiddies?

or the other guy (OP ) who says he was sooooooooo scared, yet stayed here for 3 hours? for the love of God, WHY ?

does it make you feel important or tough to tell tales of all the times you were 'nearly' murdered? (whatever 'nearly' means in this context)
 whippedboi
Joined: 3/12/2013
Msg: 56
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Posted: 7/22/2013 1:51:17 PM
wow, they will have to add "almost" getting killed to the crime stats I guess?

I went to Detroit 100 times and I "almost" got killed each & every time.. yeah, riiighhht

and peyote & LSD are making comebacks duuudes

you can brag" I'm a bad-zz mofo because I went to the killer city, Detroit..1000 times , and survived..
 Paul K
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:17:12 PM
whipped...........

Have you ever been to Detroit? And, I mean DETROIT, not one of the nice suburbs, and I am not including Dearborn as one of the nice suburbs. There are places there where are very nice houses, great schools............

Go visit Novi, or just about any suburb, and you will have no problem. BUT, you really need to go to the center of Detroit where people actually used to live..... you know, the 2 bd, 1 ba., detached 1 car garage part of town. They USED to be fine. As far as downtown, unless they keep pouring cubic dollars into that area, it will go back to the $hithole it was.

Perhaps instead of making comments about things that you seem to know nothing about, take a trip to MoTown, and see what it really is like. Take a map out, and find the center of the city, and go there, and go for a 1/2 hour walk............

Paul K
 whippedboi
Joined: 3/12/2013
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Ever spend a night in Detroit?
Posted: 7/22/2013 3:24:53 PM
well yes I have and I don't plan on going back soon. but so the stories here make sense to you

" i went MANY times and was so scared every time

what sane person would do that? the shopping deals can't be that good


the stories don't make a lot of sense. and what's the point in a thread anyway. yes Detroit is scary as are many cities

breaking news!


Detroit has been in decline for about 60 years, this is nothing "new" Studebaker went out of business and many other plants shut down starting int he later 1950's , gaining momentum in the 60's & 70's

I dare you to take that half hour walk in South -Central, does that mean that Los Angeles is a "sh1thole" ? well, maybe
 Paul K
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:33:09 PM
Whipped............

"I dare you to take that half hour walk in South -Central, does that mean that Los Angeles is a "sh1thole" ? well, maybe "


Naw, I don't think that it is nice enough to qualify as a $hithole. BUT, I'll go for that walk if you go with me.................... When they map out the LA Marathon, they have to be careful what areas they route it through.

I go downtown LA on business. I used to go twice a month or more......... Now UPS and FedEx gets my delivery business. If you really want a shock, go to Hollywood, there are parts that that put Detroit to shame when it comes to being scary.

I live in Orange County, which has its scary places too, but nowhere near what LA has. OC is about 25 miles south of LA.

Paul K
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 60
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Posted: 7/22/2013 3:45:18 PM

Ever spend a night in Detroit?


it was a dark and . . 40% of the street lights in Detroit don't work, fire hydrants don't work . . but y'all rally round
those conservatives and cut those taxes, who needs infrastructure!

i'm on board with the Canadians saying to buy it: the wings in Canada..... oh yeah
 Paul K
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:01:49 PM
babble.............

"it was a dark and . . 40% of the street lights in Detroit don't work, fire hydrants don't work . . but y'all rally round
those conservatives and cut those taxes, who needs infrastructure!"

I guess that you have no clue as to what side of the political spectrum has been running Detroit now for over 40 years. Amazing, your side is in large and in charge, yet you blame the other side for just how bad things are................. No surprise there.

You really need to find out IF taxes had been cut in the past 40 years, or if benefits have been raised................ Get some some facts before you blather on about things you have no clue about. I had cousins who lived in Detroit city limits and they paid MORE in property taxes on a house that cost them under $80K, then on a house that cost my ex and I over $200K. And lack of taxes are the problem?

Get a clue.

Paul K
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 62
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:10:06 PM

Get a clue.


well Colonel Mustard, i'm not sure what you mean by "your side" I live in a country run by a conservative govt.,
and I do check my facts, y'all need some corporate tax payin'. .

wingswingswings, we'll sell you back the pistons and lions, k?
 Paul K
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:24:04 PM
babble.........

You wrote:
"i'm not sure what you mean by "your side"........
The "your side" I was referring to certainly was NOT the side of those who want to cut taxes......... Not the conservatives. Detroit has been run by liberals who never saw a tax they didn't love, or implement................ It wasn't conservatives who have been running Detroit for the past 40 some odd years.

Yet without knowing those facts, you wrote:
"and I do check my facts"

Well, it doesn't seem to be the case in this situation. As far as corporate taxes go in the USA, just so there is no question about what I am referring to, we pay some of the highest taxes in the world. A lot of American companies are being purchased by companies in other countries because when they factor in how much less they will have to pay in their country, their profit margins are going to be much higher. You may want to check your facts on that too.

Paul K
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 64
Ever spend a night in Detroit?
Posted: 7/22/2013 4:36:02 PM
and I am not including Dearborn as one of the nice suburbs.

I can't imagine why not... It's part of Metro Detroit and appears to be doing well... Why in heaven's name would you single out any of the "non-decayed" suburbs that are making out and declare it to NOT be "one of the nice suburbs"...? What objective standard could you possibly be applying to come to this determination...?
 Paul K
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:45:51 PM
mungo........

"I can't imagine why not... It's part of Metro Detroit and appears to be doing well..."

You were referring to Dearborn. I have an Uncle who lives in Dearborn, one of the last holdouts of my family that lives in that area, and the two blocks next to him and a few blocks two streets down from their corner house, are all EMPTY. Thank God they can afford to travel, and own very nice condos in both California and Florida. They spend very little time there.

You said that Dearborn "appears to be doing well"............ That tells me that you have never been there, and are going by appearances only......... no surprise there. There are some pockets in Dearborn that are fully occupied, just as there are in Detroit proper, but not enough for Dearborn to be "doing well".

The standard that I use to single out Dearborn is that I have been there not that long ago, and I wouldn't want to spend a night there.

Paul K

PS

An astute poster posted this on another thread................. It really sounds like someone is tryhing to make humor out of the situation, but the sad part is that it is all true.


Here's the short list of Detroit's achievements -
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/07/25_facts_about_the_fall_of_detroit

1) At this point, the city of Detroit owes money to more than 100,000 creditors.

2) Detroit is facing $20 billion in debt and unfunded liabilities. That breaks down to more than $25,000 per resident.

3) Back in 1960, the city of Detroit actually had the highest per-capita income in the entire nation.

4) In 1950, there were about 296,000 manufacturing jobs in Detroit. Today, there are less than 27,000.

5) Between December 2000 and December 2010, 48 percent of the manufacturing jobs in the state of Michigan were lost.

6) There are lots of houses available for sale in Detroit right now for $500 or less.

7) At this point, there are approximately 78,000 abandoned homes in the city.

8) About one-third of Detroit's 140 square miles is either vacant or derelict.

9) An astounding 47 percent of the residents of the city of Detroit are functionally illiterate.

10) Less than half of the residents of Detroit over the age of 16 are working at this point.

11) If you can believe it, 60 percent of all children in the city of Detroit are living in poverty.

12) Detroit was once the fourth-largest city in the United States, but over the past 60 years the population of Detroit has fallen by 63 percent.

13) The city of Detroit is now very heavily dependent on the tax revenue it pulls in from the casinos in the city. Right now, Detroit is bringing in about 11 million dollars a month in tax revenue from the casinos.

14) There are 70 "Superfund" hazardous waste sites in Detroit.

15) 40 percent of the street lights do not work.

16) Only about a third of the ambulances are running.

17) Some ambulances in the city of Detroit have been used for so long that they have more than 250,000 miles on them.

18) Two-thirds of the parks in the city of Detroit have been permanently closed down since 2008.

19) The size of the police force in Detroit has been cut by about 40 percent over the past decade.

20) When you call the police in Detroit, it takes them an average of 58 minutes to respond."
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 66
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:20:43 PM
The standard that I use to single out Dearborn is that I have been there not that long ago, and I wouldn't want to spend a night there.

yes, I don't doubt that... I'm fairly sure I know why, but I do notice you won't really explain it... Instead, you go with the usual meaningless right wing-nut nonsense like "because I'm afraid of it"...

one of the last holdouts of my family that lives in that area, and the two blocks next to him and a few blocks two streets down from their corner house, are all EMPTY.

Ah, I see... they live NEAR Dearborn, but not IN Dearborn... gotcha, that is some "compelling" evidence...

I don't doubt there are 'empty homes' in Dearborn... Probably a number of shuttered businesses too... I hate to burst your insular bubble, but THAT has been happening ALL OVER the US, from Whitebreadville to Chocolate City... nothing new there... "Doing well" has become a VERY relative term in the US since the Reagan/Bush II-inspired meltdown...

However, I strongly suspect that a great many of the "empty homes" (those NOT related to massive lay-offs of auto workers) became empty for one particular reason...
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
Msg: 67
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:23:02 PM
Paul, You make Detroit sound really messed up, but it just goes to show what good civic leadership can provide when they really put their minds to it.
Less than 50% have jobs? I wonder, could that number be 47? Doesn't it seem that "47%" is going to be just as important as pi, and the golden ratio, and 100 degrees C, and 98.6 F ?
That exact number keeps appearing !
 Paul K
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:14:41 PM
mungo...........

I wrote:
"one of the last holdouts of my family that lives in that area, and the two blocks next to him and a few blocks two streets down from their corner house, are all EMPTY. "

To which you responded:
"Ah, I see... they live NEAR Dearborn, but not IN Dearborn... gotcha, that is some "compelling" evidence..."

No, I wrote:
"You were referring to Dearborn. I have an Uncle who lives in Dearborn, one of the last holdouts of my family that lives in that area, and the two blocks next to him and a few blocks two streets down from their corner house, are all EMPTY."

"I have an Uncle who lives in Dearborn,"........ Clear enough?

Geez, your comprehension must be going............. IF you would have read the whole post, you would have seen that the "in that area" that I am referring to IS Dearborn. He bought his house there in the early '60's, and for many many years it was nice, but then about 35 or so years ago, it started a downhill trend. So, "Ah ---- gotcha"...... nice try, but not so. The empty blocks I was referring to are in Dearborn. As far as shuttered business' go, there are hundreds, not just a few. To say that there are "a number of shuttered business" is a gross understatement.

Then you wrote:
"Instead, you go with the usual meaningless right wing-nut nonsense like "because I'm afraid of it"..."

Well, golly gee, let me explain it to you as clearly as I can. I have two uncles, one aunt, and probably at least 25 other various first and second cousins who live in the decent areas outlying Detroit that I stay with when we visit them............ You really are a one note samba, always going with the "right is evil" note.

The biggest reason people moved out of places like Dearborn is because of how high the property taxes were, and what you got for those taxes. I have a cousin who bought a tiny house, two bed, one bath one car detatched garage for less than half of what we paid for a house in SoCal, yet their property taxes were about 4 times what we paid. And what did the get for that amount? Terrible roads, crime in the neighborhood.....

Like I said before, there are some small pockets where the houses are still taken care of, but not many places or many houses........ Detroit has a tendency to have certain ethnicities to "pool together" in certain areas. Guess what ethnicity mostly lives in Hamtramck? Yep, Poles. Dearborn now has a very large muslim enclave, and some of their area is realtively nicely taken care of. However, a large part of it is a mess.

You seem to be itching to unload another "AH HA, GOTCHA", but you are going to have to be more specific. Just what are you looking for?

Paul K
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:23:57 PM
So, "Ah ---- gotcha"...... nice try, but not so.
....
You seem to be itching to unload another "AH HA, GOTCHA"

ROFLMAO

Gee... paranoid much...?

As far as shuttered business' go, there are hundreds, not just a few.

I never said anything about "just a few"... That is your delusion... I said "a number of..."... How THAT translates in YOUR mind to "just a few" is a mystery, more likely a result of delusion than any fact of reality...

Well, golly gee, let me explain it to you as clearly as I can. I have two uncles, one aunt, and probably at least 25 other various first and second cousins who live in the decent areas outlying Detroit that I stay with when we visit them

Well, that certainly does explain it... Not the reason that you are afraid, just the fact that you are... I appreciate the confirmation... I really am surprised at how often all the "macho" and "tough" right wing-nuts seem to so readily and easily devolve into cringing, fearful little boys...

The biggest reason people moved out of places like Dearborn is because of how high the property taxes were, and what you got for those taxes.

Well, that certainly does "explain" Detroit's 50 yr experiment in "white flight"... Well, except for the fact that the "white flight" began while Detroit STILL had the highest per capita income and insignificant tax rates... But, shhhh... we aren't supposed to mention that... Step a little closer, I have to whisper this so no-one hears... Detroit started it's downhill dive when the "white flight" started... but keep that to yourself, okay...
 GreenThumbz18
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Msg: 70
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Posted: 7/22/2013 11:58:46 PM
"Well, that certainly does "explain" Detroit's 50 yr experiment in "white flight""

So says the "American", who lives in Canada. Obviously an expert on the subject.
But hey, it's great that such a noted visionary has commented on the failure of "diversity." The whites move out, and the "others" can't replace them, so the city chokes and dies.
This little lesson is typically not taught to modern politicians: There are 2 types of voting, the kind you do in a voting booth, and the kind you do with your feet. When people are dis-satisfied with conditions, they leave.
 enigoM
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Posted: 7/23/2013 9:41:31 AM

Well, that certainly does "explain" Detroit's 50 yr experiment in "white flight"... Well, except for the fact that the "white flight" began while Detroit STILL had the highest per capita income and insignificant tax rates... But, shhhh... we aren't supposed to mention that... Step a little closer, I have to whisper this so no-one hears... Detroit started it's downhill dive when the "white flight" started...
Another way to look at it is that Detroit started its downhill dive after Race riots in 67 and the election of the first Black mayor in 74, followed by many years of Liberal policies which favored the poor and minorities.Race based policies also played a part in the demise of Detroit.But keep that to yourself, reality does not favor the Liberal narrative..

"Well, that certainly does "explain" Detroit's 50 yr experiment in "Black Democrat Politics"
 mungojoe
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Posted: 7/23/2013 9:49:40 AM

Another way to look at it is that Detroit started its downhill dive after Race riots in 67 and the election of the first Black mayor in 74

You COULD look at it that way... but you would be wrong, which isn't unusual... The "white flight" began in the '50s when blacks first started trying to live in whitebread neighbourhoods...

Not all at once to be sure... and not suddenly... it was after all the assaults, murders, and attempts to burn down/bomb black homes failed to stop it... but don't let that get in the way of a false narrative...
 Paul K
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Posted: 7/23/2013 11:33:42 AM
As usual, when some can't refute with facts, they resort to name calling...........
"I really am surprised at how often all the "macho" and "tough" right wing-nuts seem to so readily and easily devolve into cringing, fearful little boys..."

The smartest thing that a person should do is to avoid trouble, whenever possible. Now, I am certain that you would have no problem taking a tent and pitching it on one of the abanded lots in the middle of Detroit........ after all, you are not like the right wing-nuts who have devolved into cringing fearful little boys. Hey, after a period of time, you would even get squatters rights.

Just a question....... have you ever even been to Detroit, or are you getting all of your "information" from the internet........ knowing full well, that only truths can be posted on the internet? There seems to be no end to your condescending attitude towards the "white race"..............
"The "white flight" began in the '50s when blacks first started trying to live in whitebread neighbourhoods..."

"whitebread neighborhoods".......... that is a good one, I will have to remember that when I am trying to impress folks with just how open minded I am.

Is that in the same vein as "cracker", "whitey", and other words you use to try to show that you are "down for the struggle"? You really need to stay in whatever neighborhood you live in and try not to make too many disparaging remarks about people in other areas that you really have no clue about.

Paul K
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 74
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Posted: 7/23/2013 12:40:03 PM
have you ever even been to Detroit, or are you getting all of your "information" from the internet

Well... I haven't spent an "overnight" in Detroit in some years... However, I frequently did when I was younger and into 'hobo tourism' (that's riding the buses/rails around the country, sleeping where ever you can) and Detroit was a major transportation hub for that... I was often wandering the streets in the middle of the night waiting for the next outbound bus/train... I was "victimized" often during that time and the worst, the absolute worst, was when some prostitute asked me if I "wanted some company"... I felt SO "victimized" and "unsafe" after that...

But, I realize that isn't 'today'... No, unfortunately, that was back in the '80's to '90s mainly, when Detroit's crime rate was considerably higher than now... You know, in the days of the "Murder City" word-play pun, when the murder rate was 50% higher than it is now and the Detroit core had one of the highest crime rates in the nation...

I know 'today' is different... The murder rate is a fraction of what it was back in the '80s/'90s and the Detroit core now has one of the lowest crime rates in the state and country... and I really SHOULD be acting like a cringing, fearful little boy just like the right wing-nuts, but I just can't seem to find the energy for that... Must be an age thing...

Is that in the same vein as "cracker", "whitey", and other words you use to try to show that you are "down for the struggle"?

No, that's meant more in the vein of "redneck" or "slack-jawed yokel" and other words I use to show my impatience with bigoted idiocy...
 Paul K
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Posted: 7/23/2013 1:05:27 PM
mungo.........

Yeah, you really are brave................ but then there is that little thing of calling names when you have nothing else substantive to say:
"like a cringing, fearful little boy just like the right wing-nuts,",

and this:
"No, that's meant more in the vein of "redneck" or "slack-jawed yokel" and other words I use to show my impatience with bigoted idiocy... "

Thank you for the patience you show to at least read what we rednecks and slack-jawed yokels write....... I really do appreciate the fact that YOU find the time to read my posts! For you to pretend like there isn't a crime problem in Detroit is laughable, but then I guess information gleaned from the internet must be true.

Paul K
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