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 MustangGirl_
Joined: 3/29/2007
Msg: 110
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racism will always be around. As long as there exsist differences in the world such as religion, skin color, way of life. I think asking those questions or being told to ask those questions is quite rude and unethical. You should contact that stores head office and give them shiit.
 Soylent_Green
Joined: 2/8/2007
Msg: 112
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Posted: 5/7/2007 11:43:54 PM
"Actually, Soylent green, negative stereotypes CAN BE FORMED, AND BASED ON personal experiences": if this was the case then it isnt' a stereotype; it's a personal opinion: there is a difference.

As for the 16 year old kid with a headache, you don't know what his history was with his headaches (or you didn't mention it). Maybe he had a head injury before, maybe this was a relapse, maybe anything; you don't know, you are speculating. Why didn't you just give him an asperin if you KNEW what was wrong? What exactly is your point? I thinks it's disrespectful to anyone, of any race to be asked any question beyond "can i see some i.d?" in a convenience store. It's funny, my dad (who is a Treaty Indian) refuses to buy any mouth wash products regardless of the other amount of groceries he's buying...regardless of how he's dressed (very respectable), how he acts; anything...because he's Native, he always gets a "funny" look when purchasing those products. He makes more money than anyone i know, and pays more to taxes than anyone i know. Yet he's questioned with racist looks when he wants fresh breath??? NO Stormee D, i think you are silly.
 Soylent_Green
Joined: 2/8/2007
Msg: 113
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Posted: 5/7/2007 11:50:14 PM
"A 16 year old Treaty boy I worked said one day "I have a headache", and ran across the street to the clinic/pharmacy. Within maybe 7-8 minutes he came back with a prescription pill bottle! (I can't recall what it was filled with, but they were stronger than anything off a shelf, or that I would take). Coincidently, his associates were pill-poppers. Now, who do you blame for that kind of b.s. happening?? The doctor for prescribing it (clearly without any exam), the pharmacy for filling the prescription, the boy himself for knowing darn well how easy it was to get drugs, or the band he was from for accepting and allowing free drugs that are not medicine or penicillin based??"

This entire speal makes no point beyond your own limited thought process. You can't recall what the pills were, yet they MUST be stronger than your own? His friends are pill poppers? says who? did you see him give his friends those pills? What free drugs that aren't medicine based or penicilin based are prescribed by a doctor? Or was that a different reference to something else? You sound like a typical ignorant white person; hold on i'm going to look at your profile.....yep, you are white...figures.
 yna6
Joined: 1/21/2007
Msg: 115
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Posted: 5/8/2007 8:52:31 AM
Hmmm....some businesses are looking for compensation for lost revenues because of illegal road blocks. The courts routinly award them to other victims, so I can see it coming. Sometimes it is the instigator that pays., the gov't garnisheeing wages at 50% until it is paid up. Perhaps the gov't could "garnish" tribal and welfare payments until the victim are compensated. This could go a long ways towards making others think twice before shutting down a major road.

Anyhow's....I figure that some "status" natives didn't share the wealth when they sold lands to a developer, and PO'ed the rest of the people. It is an "in-house" affair, that should never have affected the developer.

Hmmm....I could well be off base on that one too....ah well....
 Beautiful Deviant
Joined: 6/1/2006
Msg: 116
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Posted: 5/8/2007 9:04:39 AM
As with any substance abuse...you cannot change a person, they must be ready to change. It is a vicious cycle...but those who step out of it do so alone because they have hit their own personal rock bottom.

There are deep seated issues that need to be resolved.
There are deeply held beliefs that need to be changed.

Do not assume that you can go into any first nation or indian reserve in Canada or the US and not meet with a wall. There are health centres and leaders who are trying to help the people. BUT, we, too, are fighting against 500 years of assimilation, attempted genocide, hatred, survival, struggle, government policy, abuse and stereotypes.

You cannot stop a drunk from drinking...you cannot stop a smoker from smoking...you cannot stop a drug user from using...no matter their skin colour, their race, their religion, their age, or their gender.

This is NOT just a native problem...this is a societal problem highlighted in first nations because it takes the focus off the same problems going on in the rest of the world.

Personally, if we have to focus on first nations...I'd rather see the positive stories. The stories of children learning their language and culture while the adults relearn languages lost or stolen. I'd rather hear about the economic development being created to make positive change. I'd rather hear about the women's groups and elders circles. I'd rather hear about the schools being built, and the students finishing their degrees and coming home to work in their communities. I'd rather hear about the outreach to local non-native communities to increase native awareness and build strong partnerships. Because that is the future...that is where are our survival is.

We see ignorance everyday...how about some enlightenment.
Dev
 Soylent_Green
Joined: 2/8/2007
Msg: 118
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Posted: 5/12/2007 5:30:47 PM
Stormee-d

Sorry for being defensive to your claims and calling you ignorant. i just was going on what your statement was...nowhere in it did you say that the 16 year old was a pill popper..you made it sound like his friends were; and he was giving them pills. be clear please in a forum or you will be judged incorrectly...

I still believe it is the wrong approach for a convenience store clerk to question what a product is used for. Yes, they are only doing what they have been instructed to do by their employer, but they should have some integrity and be fair. No alarms go off in selling cigarettes to anyone dispite age qualifications even though that is a horrible substance that kills more than those who consume it . But now the Employer cares about the people and their problems because he asks what mouth wash is for??? Come on... but, hey, if it's that big of a concern, then don't carry the product unless that same question is going to everyone buying it. It's not an avenue that actually approaches the issues at hand with a solution to help or offer any way of helping; it sounds more like liability coverage from the store. Why are only Native's under a close watch for substance abuse...even in a Native community where there are white people living there too. Are those white people not tempted by drugs the same as Native's? Of course they are; but they aren't asked about it at the store...why??? Anyway, whatever. I don't like your point, and you don't like mine; so why bother right?? We appear to be on the same side of the fence but with different opinions so i accept that and am moving on.
 Soylent_Green
Joined: 2/8/2007
Msg: 119
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Posted: 5/12/2007 5:45:31 PM
Another quick point i'd like to make.

when i was 11 and 12 i lived in a native community and my friends who all had dirtbikes and quads couldn't buy gasoline even if they pulled up on their toys to the gas station without being questioned if they are using the gas to sniff...so they would get me (their white boy friend) to do it for them... so, in would walk an 11 year old white kid with a jerry can and a pedal bike leaning up outside, and buy gas....no questions asked. Explain to me where the equality falls in that scene? Native kids on a quad can't buy gas without being questioned, but a white kid with a pedal bike isn't even blinked at? What a joke.
 NO_VNE
Joined: 5/9/2007
Msg: 120
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Posted: 5/12/2007 9:09:46 PM
I can't believe this thread. I've been around more than a few abos and it seems to me they bring about 150% of their troubles on themselves!I've also seen a boong about 35 years of age soak a rag with gas and give it to a TODDLER to pacify it! I can understand why.
 db1otw
Joined: 3/25/2007
Msg: 121
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Posted: 5/21/2007 2:38:34 PM
NO VNE said


I've also seen a boong about 35 years of age soak a rag with gas and give it to a TODDLER to pacify it! I can understand why.


I know you can understand because the toddler was you.

You say you can't believe this thread, I can't believe your mother had any children that lived.

I am an aboriginal person and I can walk among the "newcomers" and listen to the jokes because they are unaware of my heritage, and then I start telling jokes that are directed towards their heritage. I find it funny when they become upset because I said something that they find offensive. I will then explain that I am a Native person and you shouldn't dish out what you can't take.

If I walked into a store and someone asked me what I was going to use the Lysol for I would say I needed to disinfect a certain body part that belonged to the offending clerks mother.

Native racism for some reason is tolerated. Just think of all the sports teams that have aboriginally racist names. Can you imagine if that went across the whole spectrum of races.

When people say the word Indian I correct them by saying "Indians are from India". The proper terms are FIRST Nations, AbORIGINAL, or Native.

Unfortunately aboriginal racism is alive and well.

They way I deal with it is to let the racists make their remarks and then point out my heritage and watch how their faces become redder than mine.

I have to go now and pick up my welfare check and head over to the bar to drink away my sorrows, then it's off to the gas station for a night cap.

Oh crap all my lysol is gone.
 dirtbag2
Joined: 4/7/2007
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Posted: 6/4/2007 3:18:22 AM
Indians are funny, you basically say you don't want any help from white people yet you don't have any problem with collecting government welfare paid for by white taxpayers or coming to white owned hospitals for treatment, or buying white made goods that are tax free to you on top of it all. Also you claim to be interested in preserving the forest and fish stocks yet you want to fish all you want and chop down trees all you want when whites are supposed to have limits. Bunch of hypocrates.


I'm white, and I don't think I've read anything that offensive in years!! Unfortunately it proves that there is most definitely racism directed at First Nations people.

When I was a little girl living up in Fort McMurray, most of my friends were Aboriginal. I studied their history and culture, learned how to do the beadwork, made birch bark canoes for my Barbies and stuff like that. I found the history of the People to be fascinating and beautiful, if not rather sad.

My man is First Nations... a proud, honest, educated, hard-working Metis man. His father was vice-president of the Metis Nation of Labrador a few years back. A few months ago I mentioned to my mom that he was Aboriginal and she launched off on a rant about " useless drunken Indians, don't pay any taxes and only take and take from the Whites, get a free education and don't have to work, they have a hundred administrators on the Musqueam reserve and still they beg for more money. waaaah waaah waaah I have no sympathy for those useless b@stards."

I was absolutely disgusted at her comments. I was deeply offended. My Man was being judged solely on his ancestry; she'd never met him and she doesn't know jack all about who he is as a man. I called my own mother a "racist biatch".. and then I told her right off. It was nearly six months before we spoke again... and to this day she's accusing ME of "destroying the family because you insist on dating loser Indians; why can't you date a nice white boy?". I had to tell her that I'd been there and even married one, and that my "loser Indian" man was ten times the man any of them could ever hope to be.

My son is adopted, and he is also Aboriginal. His birth mother has a full-blood Cree Indian mother and a Metis father. My son's birth mother became pregnant by a strapping blonde-haired blue eyed Danish man... my son has pale pink skin, deep round blue eyes, and white-blonde hair. But yet he is of First Nations descent.
I have made every effort to make my son-- he is 7 1/2 years old and is in Grade 2--aware of his Aboriginal heritage, and I encourage him to embrace it and celebrate it. My Man is teaching him about Aboriginal culture and history, and we read stories written by Native authors. I wish I knew more so that I could pass it on to him. My son is proud of his Aboriginal heritage, and I am glad to see that.
A few weeks ago they were studying multiculturalism at school and all the kids were asked what their 'ethnicity' was. My son proudly stood in front of the class and said " I am Aboriginal. I am one-quarter Cree and one-quarter Metis." ( I was sooo proud of him). His classmates responded " no way, you don't look Indian, you're lying". He was deeply hurt by that comment. He had enough intestinal fortitude to tell them that he was proud to be Aboriginal and that he didn't care what they thought, they could go to hell. I was sooo proud of him!!!!

Unfortunately, both my Man and my Little Man see racism on a regular basis, because they are both proud of their heritage. It saddens me greatly to see such ignorance on such a large scale.

peace out
M
 Raveninns
Joined: 7/19/2005
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Posted: 6/13/2007 3:20:05 AM
^^^^^^perhaps your Grandmother remembers the days when Native children were forcibly removed from their families and then placed in Residential Schools? Perhaps your Grandmother knew of the atrocities that were committed upon these innocent children?

Your Grandmother loved you very much. But those days are over now. Celebrate your heritage!!!

Cheers, Raven
 Castaline
Joined: 11/21/2006
Msg: 125
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Posted: 11/9/2007 2:31:59 PM
pof prize?

Yes you are entitled to your opinion, so won't bother trying to rebut any of it.

prize what?
 dirtbag2
Joined: 4/7/2007
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Posted: 11/15/2007 11:48:54 PM
Just a guess.. but I'm thinking that pof.prize's course of study at university is NOT English.
 rikeee41
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 127
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Posted: 3/28/2008 5:50:26 PM
hi..this one time when i was in shoppers drug mart. i was looking around and this man Comes up to me and says. what are you doing and i was looking at stuff . He yelled at the guys in the back room and said turn on the camra and i was like wtf. what did i do. . this other time we went to yorkton saskatchewan we went down to visit my brother and sister and we stayed at a hotel so then we decided to go ..to the water sides and the cleark was being so rude to us like we did something wrong. they said we couldnt go as a family so then were ok. so my mom droped us off. so then we hardly had any money so then we had to wait for some money. so then my sister and my brother went in and me. so then as my sister was waiting for my grandma to come and give us some money so then were ok. she watched the lady at the desk she was being so nice to none native people who came by so then. she asked to speak to the manager. she noticed that the lady was being nice to her so we started to notice how racist the lil town yorkton is . even as we were swimming the none native people where Gunning us off like we were doing somthing wrong
 peiganjan
Joined: 11/16/2007
Msg: 128
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Posted: 3/29/2008 8:37:16 AM
misconception #1: Indians get free education
unless you are a card-carrying, treaty status member of your band, you can be (and often are) denied access to funding for education. why and how?
well, it's simple. really.
you can be treaty status indian, and still not qualify for any treaty "benefits" (housing, education, royalties gained from tribal profits, ect) unless you are a registered member of your tribal band. becoming a registered member of your band is next to impossible, and just one of the multitude of political loopholes in the system.
see? simple.
but, back to my first point.
even if you meet requirements to be entitled to receive funding for education, those dollars are limited and in high demand. students wishing to attend a post-secondary institution must apply for funding, and the majority end up sitting on a wait-list b/c there simply is not enough dollars to go around.
students are accepted for funding on a priority basis; for example, w/my band, students who have successfully completed a bachelor's degree, wishing to continue their education are priority 1, returning students working to achieve their degree and who maintain a pre-determined GPA standing are priority 2, students who are going directly from high school to post-secondary are priority 3, etc. etc. any student who does not demonstrate, within their first semester of schooling, an ability to maintain their academic standing are put on probation. if they are not able to pull up their socks, their funding is cut, they are required to reapply for funding should they wish to continue schooling in the future, and they are bumped to the bottom of the priority list.
contrary to popular belief, there is not a huge pot of money just sitting there, waiting to be doled out for anyone who asks. further, the dollars that are allocated are dependent on the student's status (single? parent?) and economic situation (housing, etc). the money given is not enough to live on--usually covers the cost of tuition, books, supplies, and a meager amount towards living expenses. this means that--just like any other student--they must also work to get by while in school.

misconception #2: Indians don't pay taxes
unless you are employed on-reserve, or for an off-reserve branch of a tribal administration, you pay full taxes. most reserves are not booming economic utopias, with many opportunities for employment; hence, in order for us to build a successful career, we need to leave the reserve. and pay taxes, just like anybody else.
goods and services, tobacco and gasoline are not taxable on-reserve; again, you must be a card-carrying treaty status Indian to receive this benefit. and since most of us don't reside on-reserve--we live and work in urban centers--this is hardly a "perk" for us.

misconception #3: Indians get free housing
back to my first point (are you singing along, now?); you must be a card-carrying, treaty status Indian, a member of your band, AND live on-reserve to qualify for housing. on top of that...there is limited housing available, and what does exist is generally not liveable. since there is little-to-no economic advantages to residing on-reserve, the benefit has become moot for the majority of us.

misconception #4: Indians get free cash hand-outs as part of our Treaty agreement
well....maybe that's not a misconception.
our tribe did receive an annual pay-out. and we still do--exactly as outline in paper.
our annual pay-out?
$5 each.

what many of you are criticizing are our Treaty rights. we did not establish them, the government did.
Treaty 7 (the territory that traditionally belonged to my people, the Blackfoot) promised us these things (along w/health care) "as long as the rivers run, the grass grows green, and the sun shines". this was part of the conditions of the "trade"; what we believed was given in good faith.
there are a lot of other issues related to land-title agreements, etc as outlined in the Treaties, but that is a whole other ball of wax.

i got tired of reading all of the false claims about how much "free" stuff we're given, and just thought i'd clarify a few things.
 yna6
Joined: 1/21/2007
Msg: 129
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Posted: 1/8/2009 3:59:36 PM
^^^good post...but it also describes many other people, not just natives.
We can also look at it from another viewpoint, which has been validated already. Many tribes gained lands and populance by assimilation, war, intermarriage, etc. etc. This is historical fact right from the elders. A new tribe came along and did the same thing...a tribe called "Europeans". Just because their skin colour was different doesn't mean the tactics were not the same as those natives inflicted upon one another!
But...the past IS past and need not be addressed in ths forum. We already know that natives have to "go white" in order to survive in the 21st century. They cannot live as their ancestors did. They are way too acclimatized to "European" living and technology...including that computer you are posting with, the internet, the electricity, etc, etc.
The only way to gain these things are through working and paying for them. $$$ speak.
There are many people out there who can be included in the same boat as any of the problems you have listed. It reaches across skin colour and race and religion.
One "group" need not have "specialized" programs for them...all people need access to them. That is called "equality". Until we reach that, we'll always have problems, and people saying they are not being treated the "same" because of...pick a reason.
 compleat_man
Joined: 10/3/2008
Msg: 130
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Posted: 1/8/2009 4:29:18 PM
yes there is racism..because someone described as 'native" in Canada will get 100% of their university or college tuition paid for by government, solely based on RACE..

while a (possibly brighter, more 'deserving' white/black/Asian person will have to work their butts off at part-time, summer jobs, etc. to pay their own way..)

that is racism..favoritism based solely on race..sure, you can explain to me why it's "really not" ?

also you didn't have to pay sales tax on your purchases, while the non-native person in front of or behind you did, buying the same products.? hmm, smells like racism? or pay any income tax on income earned on a rez? why? race, right?
 HumorMe*
Joined: 10/17/2008
Msg: 131
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Posted: 1/8/2009 4:37:20 PM
Britt,

The answer is simple. Picket the store and make sure other "Indians" or whomever DO NOT buy from it. Or try to contact his mangers/(corporation who run the store)...or sum sh$t (excuse my language). You could do more then complain, take some kind of action. In this day & age, local justice, has to be taken through the "correct methods", unless you don't mind being label psychotic.

But keep in mind that this is NOT your problem UNLESS you CHOOSE to do something about it, understand? So unless you're going to picket the store, call the manager...or such.....*......then lay it down, their "way of thinking" is not YOUR burden. Just experience it for the time being, settle it, catalog it in the back of your mind and continue. But don't look to self-soothe. They (the small minded owner) isn't worth it, ok? Unless of course you're going to do something about it.

 TooShadows
Joined: 9/26/2008
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Posted: 9/29/2011 4:47:14 PM
I thought I'd bring this one back up instead of starting a new thread. I recently found that racism can come from Aboriginal people as well.

I'm currently working as a project manager for a house construction company on a remote reserve in northern Manitoba.If you watch the 2011 season of "Ice Road Truckers" you'll see some of these reserves. We build and renovate homes for the population here. There's about 500 people here,and less than 2 dozen whites.

I tend to treat people as equals,and it's been no different here. I treat everyone with courtesy,dignity and respect,especially the elders of the rserve. Because of this I've made a lot of friends,and even the men working for me consider me one of the guys and are always inviting me on fishing and hunting trips.

One big problem I have is people wanting building materials. What makes it worse is when councillors make promises to people,and one councillor is really bad for it.

Last week a man came and asked me for kitchen cupboards and a countertop. I told him I didn't think I had extra. On Monday he cornered me on a job site and asked when he could pick up his new kitchen. When I told him I didn't have anything he got mad and said that a councillor had promised him a new kitchen. I said the councillor had no business making promises with materials that weren't his,and the man drove off mad.

Later that day I was summoned to the band office. The man had written a letter saying my exact words were,"That effing councillor had no effing business making effing promises!"
Swearing at a local resident is the worst thing a white person can do up here,and some have been ejected off the reserve for doing so. I then had to explain my acxtions and defend myself,which was pretty hard.

Luckily the homeowner had been a witness and backed me up instead of agrreing withe letter's author. But even several of the guys working for me were called in and asked if they'd ever heard me swearing about anyone.

I feel I was the victim of racism. The resident knew he could have me kicked out by saying I swore about a councillor and tried to do it,all because he was angry that I wouldn't give him what he wanted. Now I realize this was just one incident,but it's still upsetting.
 ThePrettyReckless
Joined: 6/14/2010
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Posted: 9/30/2011 12:46:00 AM
You know... I never bought into stereotypes as a teenager, I thought all these things were fabricated. Then I grew up and moved to the city and was shockingly surprised at how often I saw stereotypes being fulfilled. Gay men with limp wrists and lisps, drunk natives, black men speaking what could only be considered english in a very very loose sense of the word, a large percentage of homeless people that were actually drunks/junkies/hookers. I still don't believe acknowledging the truth in stereotypes makes me racist.

However, making assumptions or judging an entire race because of those stereotypes would, and is wrong. I have heard though(especially in neighborhoods where there are a lot of homeless people) that some grocery stores refuse to sell lysol and other similar products on their own, or without a minimum cash purchase of a certain amount.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 9/30/2011 2:30:38 AM
well living in scotland i can also say that the native people here
usually do not do well either

all the stereotypes are trotted out about drunken, toothless, deep fried mars bar eating,
junkie, wife/husband/partner beating scot constantly in the press and on tv

new comers who have corner shops look at us with disdain and reach for the white lightning cider (£1.50 for 2 litres what a bargain) as soon as you enter their shops

and who really cares? not i. not a lot of the population

the very precious ones get all upset and angry and write letters to publications

lol

anyway did you hear the one about the scotsman, the englishman and the irishman...........
 want to travel
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Posted: 10/2/2011 12:09:45 PM
In CANADA it is a really huge problem,and we are building the museum of human rights, something really wrong here
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/3/2011 9:12:16 AM

definitely against the law in the US.


What happened to the OP was outrageous, and there's nothing wrong with being offended by a remark directed at your race. But the remedy is not to do business with the offender, and to advise your friends to do the same.

Canadian law may differ, and I don't know offhand if that comment would violate any federal law in the U.S. But if so, it shouldn't. The constitutional authority for prohibiting private discrimination is very limited, as it should be.

The U.S. government has no authority to play the white knight, charging around to right wrongs everywhere. That makes this country *less* free, not more. In private matters, I support any racist's right to be just as racist as he pleases.
 totalazzhole
Joined: 3/27/2011
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Posted: 10/3/2011 11:16:07 AM
yes of course it is..along withe ever other type of racism, against 'blacks', against 'whites', against 'Asians', etc.
 KittenCatt
Joined: 6/11/2011
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Posted: 10/3/2011 3:22:10 PM
Interesting...ever since I've begun taking a mandatory class on Race and Ethnicity, I've had more than one dream about white genocide. Not sure what it means. I don't think it's the answer. Not sure what's ever going to make situations such as the OP's better.
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