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 ichi-bon
Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 86
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?Page 10 of 10    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10)
When women show they deserve the chivalry they're so desperately seeking, then perhaps it will be bestowed
10of6

And just how do you determine who you "figure" deserves this treatment.? By what standards do you base this?
EVERYONE deserves common courtesy, chilvary, whatever it is called............I would treat the man on the street corner with a sign in his hand for food,or the man filthy picking up cans for a living with the same respect as I do ANYONE.....in a suit and tie, or in office. It is not who they are, or how they portray themselves that determines who I AM, and what I believe. I may not always get the same treatment in return,,,and true I have a tenderheart that has been crushed many times by people that may believe my kindness as weakness.....but God help me, if I ever forget how!!! Where do you or anyone else get off putting yourself above others and expecting them to "deserve". When they no longer "deserve" do you go back to treating them like dirt because they no longer maintain your standards? How do you know what life has dealt to them, and how decide which is "WORTHY" of you? WOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>..come on.
Religion aside.........Jesus said it best when HE said" love thy neighbor as thyself."
Imagine the returns if one would just treat others with the same respect they would like.? My children have always told me one of the greatest lessons I ever taught them was that " for the grace of GOD, there go I...................."
How many women have been so beat down by a man they trusted ........that meeting a good man is what they need to bring them back,,, struggle to find themselves again.......,and vice versa for a man?
You can't teach a person to stand tall by knocking them down every time they try to stand.
No wonder our society is in such trouble

MY SOAPBOX FOR THE DAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>but it clearly made me ANGRY!!
 Agreatukk
Joined: 7/22/2007
Msg: 89
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/16/2008 2:08:28 AM
Man Of Chivalry
A chivalrous man
Would pilot an air-balloon
Across the countryside of England
To the Magdalen Meadows in Oxford
And pick a one-of-a-kind
Purple Moon Carnation
And declare his lady
As his sweetheart
By pinning this flower
Over the area of her bosom
That houses amorous feeling of love
Only for him

A chivalrous man
Would navigate a boat
Up the Saramacca River
To the torch ginger cane fields
In the Amazon Rainforest
And bring back for his lady's enjoyment
A basket flowing over
With torch-shaped flowers
Burning with beauty
And use them
To turn their bedroom
Into a romantic paradise

A chivalrous man
Would drive a snowmobile
Across the snow-covered landscape
Between Norway and Greenland
To the U-shaped valleys of Iceland
And gather 861 papery white flowers
From atop the arctic poppies
And write upon them
How many heavenly ways
He will love his lady forever
As his angelic soul-mate

Man of chivalry, no more needs
To be written about you
For one only needs to behold the joy
Flowing like the Nile River
In your lady's smile
To know how happy you make her
 Agreatukk
Joined: 7/22/2007
Msg: 90
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/16/2008 2:17:48 AM
^ Just an old fashioned romantic I suppose?
 10of6
Joined: 8/27/2008
Msg: 91
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/16/2008 10:00:26 AM

^ Just an old fashioned romantic I suppose?
You've summarized the misconception in a nutshell there, FH. They're talking "romantic," more than "chivalrous." The word chivalry derives from French "chevalier" or Spanish "caballero" meaning in essence a knight.

My concept of true chivalry is what brought on excoriation--if others think I'm going to change my position just because it [the meaning of the pure form of chivalry] does not contort with cultural and political manipulation, well, I wouldn't suggest holding your breaths. Nothing I said was insulting, it was merely a statement of acceptable behavior in knightly times.

In feudal Europe there existed a standard of behavior among knights and how they were to relate to the general public, most of whom were sharecroppers. It would have been fully imaginable that a knight would take "corrective" action for those who disrespected his position, the position of their lords, as well as for those who abused theirs, or took advantage a situation due to their sex, irrespective of their position in society (with the exception of royalty).

I say again, with respect to chivalry it wasn't even back then a one-way street. And today, as I would expect for myself, I would get preferential or deferential treatment only if I earned it. I don't view it as something that is extended merely because of sex; that concept is antiquated. It would be nice if people could treat each other "civilly" or "romantically" these days, but until cultural and political dynamics change, there's little or no motivation/inspiration for it.
 ichi-bon
Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 96
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/16/2008 11:26:47 AM
seaga:
You have a LOT to learn,,,,,and it makes no sense to repost so much about my husband on here....or my son............or many of the other men that know how instinctively how to be one because they were brought up with basic moral fiber and consideration for others......if you don't get it by now...
...but a whiner..............for ..............big difference between a whiner and a soft hearted man secure enough to let tears flow when he's happy, when something touches his heart.... .when those little ones wrap there arms around his neck, and he is filled with emotion at the wonder of it all...... Show me a man that don't cry and I'll show you a man with no heart.
And to he that said we don't like lovey dovey..........oh we love that..we just don't like " touchy , feely" Big difference and soooooooooo many men can't figure that out.
 ichi-bon
Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 97
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/16/2008 11:32:46 AM
21, and so much wisdom from one so young!
hang in there...you don't want the one that that is influenced by what the crowd does, but the one that responds to you being who you are and valueing you as a person with honor
 compleat_man
Joined: 10/3/2008
Msg: 99
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/16/2008 1:03:52 PM
yes yes,..

"Religion aside.........Jesus said it best when HE said" love thy neighbor as thyself."


and then the Crusaders used 'the teachings of Jesus' to justify slaughtering tens of thousands of 'non-believers' or 'infidels' or whatever other label you wish to use..(mostly Muslims) ncluding men, women and small children, chopping their heads off til the streets ran red with blood..

no doubt they were 'chivalrous' to 'believers' when they got back home though..

are Iraq/Afghanistan modern "Crusades" ? today men drop bombs that kill hundreds or thousands of civilians including women and children, (but they are only 'foreign' people, so not too important I guess..) and are chivalrous heroes when they return..

or should we all deny history & reality yet again?
 ichi-bon
Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 100
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/16/2008 1:46:06 PM
and then the Crusaders used 'the teachings of Jesus' to justify slaughtering tens of thousands of 'non-believers' or 'infidels' or whatever other label you wish to use..(mostly Muslims) ncluding men, women and small children, chopping their heads off til the streets ran red with blood..

You seem to miss the whole point of these discussions:..........you are classing all Christians. all chivarous men, .all Crusaders as you call them in one group. If you didn't know..........it was in fact Jesus' own that crucified HIM, but that did not make HIM any less than HE was.
So much of everything including the Bible are taken out of context. and only convenient parts used, that man can justify his behavior by doing that. However this discussion is not about our faith, but about common decency, committment and chivalry. Let me ask this of those that are against it or only believe it should be given to those "worthy". How do you treat your mother ? How do you feel if someone mistreats your mother?
Do you expect a man to treat your sister the same way you view treating women?
Chivalry is NOT dead, and using any history from the PAST or PRESENT is not an excuse for bad manners, and or the lack of chivary and committment.
My neighbor may beat his dog, slap his wife and not take care of his children...but that does not give me the excuse to lower my standards and follow him. I choose to be upright and not follow the crowd, but rather what I know is right. I would rather be misjudged for doing right, than to go with what goes against my grain, and treat people as I may in my stupidity perceive THEY DESERVE to be treated. Thank God I have ran into wonderful people in my life that have treated me like a queen, when I may have felt because of my lack of social standing, finances, lack of education, my shyness......etc that I myself did not deserve it myself. Those people stand tallest in my heart and mind..and always will.
You are so young to be so bitter!
 10of6
Joined: 8/27/2008
Msg: 101
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/16/2008 5:25:09 PM
"Come on men, straighten up, stop making all men look bad, and making it harder for the good ones."
I don't understand this line of thought at all. No one put me on earth to "represent." I act out of respect for myself and for others who have earned it. I can't imagine your pleading will even have much effect on impressing women, either, since millions of them have bought into the anti-male propaganda that permeates western cultures. If that was the intent of your plea, it was naive; if it was to inspire men, I dare say that you don't know what inspires men.
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 102
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/17/2008 12:35:23 PM

Most women unless they are ready to marry - find it boring unless it is johnny depp being chivalrous. And an awful lot of women are doing the "we grew apart" thing, and grabbing the house and kids, leaving the knight in shining armor hocking his armor to cover child support.


Ahhhh ~ how frickin' sad. I don't know if this was composed by a man or woman, really makes no difference. The rays of sunshine just pour of out this quote. For all of you who think differently, you are the reason I still believe(d). I don't care what anyone on a "dating" site states, if you deserve it, you get it. If you don't ~ so sorry. I heard this really alarming story from someone I thought was a "friend" once. He had a date ~ dinner. She refused to open her own door, so he left her in his truck until his meal was done (I doubt he even tipped, but that's just my guess) and she just sat there waiting. That to me, is a clear example of why/how things have become so skewed. Guys ~ it's not about money. (At least not to some of us.) It's about "thought" and gentleness/kindness. The man in my life went on vacation to Mexico without me not long ago ~ I got shells from the beach. He got a "welcome home" card. That is, to me, what this is about. And he would NEVER leave me in the truck because my door didn't open on it's own. Common courtesy rings a bell (and YES, I'm more than capable of opening my own damn door ~ it's just nice when it's not expected.) Wow, today ~ I'm so happy for those in my life male or female, who feel ecards, snail-mail, simple gifts and impromtu phone calls mean something. It doesn't cost a penny to let someone know they are special. (In fact, the free stuff means much more than the other, at least to me.) Good luck to you all who think it's about something else ~ what a rough road that must be to travel. (To the rest of you? ) JMO
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 103
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/17/2008 1:12:30 PM

Honor above all, death before dishonor
- Respect yourself and others
- Your word is your bond
- Courage at all time.
- Honest in your mind and in your heart.
- Faith in your convictions in front of adversity.
- Your duty is to protect who can't
- Uphold justice even before law or power.
- Help anyone in need.

And this applies to BOTH genders. And people who truly GET what honesty and "your word is your bond" means,don't usually have a whole lot of trouble with the concept of committment, be it to a life partner, a cause, a family, a career, a friend or even a pet.
The "manners" part simply arises from LIVING the stated tenents.
Why does everyone have to keep trying to make this way harder than it needs to be?
Cindy O
 ichi-bon
Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 107
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/18/2008 4:34:53 PM
Ben_Raines

WOW, you hit it all right on the head ! AWESOME>...............and what a woman you have!!! I am so happy for both of YOU!!!!!!!!
 10of6
Joined: 8/27/2008
Msg: 110
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/19/2008 7:11:36 PM
^^^^^ I have a list of demands...and if you don't meet them, I'll...I'lll....I'll....go abroad and find a foreign woman.
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