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 rivereye
Joined: 2/19/2008
Msg: 176
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?Page 8 of 10    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10)
Simple answer to the original question:
Whatever happened is called the "21st Century Fox"
Unfortunately for us guys, Satan will always be perceived as male. Oh well.
 sexyfunguy
Joined: 4/9/2005
Msg: 177
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/13/2008 10:39:03 PM
Commitment is alive and well - chivalry - not so much.

I usually try to be chivalrous, but it almost always tend to backfire on me. The thing about opening doors (whether its a car door or a mall entrance door) is true - some women just get uppity about it. After a few stings, you just don't do it anymore....
 Roving_Adventurer
Joined: 8/28/2007
Msg: 178
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What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/13/2008 10:43:49 PM
Then there`s this song from Camolot:

Where are the simple joys of maidenhood?
Where are all those adoring daring boys?
Where's the knight pining so for me
he leaps to death in woe for me?
Oh where are a maiden's simple joys?

Shan't I have the normal life a maiden should?
Shall I never be rescued in the wood?
Shall two knights never tilt for me
and let their blood be spilt for me?
Oh where are the simple joys of maidenhood?

Shall I not be on a pedestal,
Worshipped and competed for?
Not be carried off, or better st'll,
Cause a little war?
Where are the simple joys of maidenhood?

Are those sweet, gentle pleasures gone for good?
Shall a feud not begin for me?
Shall kith not kill their kin for me?
Oh where are the trivial joys?
Harmless, convivial joys?
Where are the simple joys of maidenhood?

---------------------------

Sorry ladies. I have not intention of feuding for you, dying for you spilling my blood for you, or leaping to death for you. You`ll have find a younger fool
 WanderingRain
Joined: 3/9/2008
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What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/13/2008 11:13:14 PM
WE do tend to view chivalry of the past through rose tinted glasses.

That chivalrous man of days of yore opened your doors and is a perfect gentleman with a lady.
But then he also went and beat his slaves; would go "be with the boys" by shooting a helpless animal for sport not food or burned and pillaged other kingdoms (even killing children) because his King said so.

So he may not open your doors, but at least he does not beat his slaves.
"Being with the boys" for him only means watching football on a widescreen.
When he is sent to foreign lands, it is usually as a business trip.
Even in the military, people are nowadays more sensitive to the cultural mores of the societies that they meet. We have made progress in some areas, but we are still working on having it all. Eventually, we'll get close to it.


As for being nice, yeah, nice and wonderful people don't really advertise their qualities. I personally don't do that myself. If a woman fails to see the real me, that's just her loss, I guess.
 GoneSailinBabe
Joined: 7/6/2008
Msg: 180
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/14/2008 5:01:10 AM
Chivalry is alive.
My sons are chivalrous.
They are admirable, strong and pure hearted men.
They adore their women, they respect women as a gender, and they behave as virtuous and strong males.

So I know that chivalry is not in the past. They are 21 and 23.
They make the choice - how to behave. And they know it. They're aware of it. They always have been.

If you want men to be men, raise men.
If you want mutts from Hell - raise brats, who scoff, are disrespectful and uncaring of their mother's as women.

My sons knew the sacrifices I made to raise them, they knew the life I lived as a single mother to very young little boys after their father had an affair.

They watched, they learned, they grew - and they vowed to never be such a man of so little morals or ethics or values.

And they aren't.

Being a worthy and good man is a CHOICE.
It's a choice to live life that way.
It's a desire to not just SAY that you're a good man, but to truly behave like one.

Some talk a really good talk.
But....when it comes down to it....they have a shitty job, they have a few too many drinks, they get drunk and they drive, they get in trouble in court, one thing leads to another....

And suddenly - the talk isn't matching the walk.

Actions speak louder than all the sweet whispered endearments ever warming an ear.

Are there any REAL men?
Haven't met one yet.
But I've raised two.
My contribution to the future.
 scretluvr
Joined: 5/7/2006
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Posted: 11/14/2008 6:19:11 AM
It seems somewhere women have lowered their standards and requirements! If a girl has a great dad(as I have) he teaches her what is acceptable behavior from another man and what is not. There is someone for everyone. Women(especially young women) need to focus on a solid foundation on their own. Refrain from giving up one of the best parts of themselves to someone whose less than a QUALITY MAN! We as women set the bar. It's amazing what a GOOD MAN will do for a GOOD WOMAN(an vicey vercy as my grandma use to say R.I.P)
 JSlade58
Joined: 9/11/2008
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Posted: 11/14/2008 6:44:50 AM

Keywords here are honor, respect, courage, honesty and justice. How could women have ruined common decency just by objecting to a couple of doors being opened? Give me a break. As human beings we should all aspire to such behaviour.

When women want to act like women, i will treat them as such. Until that time, they can open their own doors(unless their hands are broken) and slide out their own chair at the table. Equality is what they want,equality is what they get.
 wildcat99
Joined: 8/28/2007
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Posted: 11/14/2008 7:15:40 AM

When women want to act like women, i will treat them as such. Until that time, they can open their own doors(unless their hands are broken) and slide out their own chair at the table. Equality is what they want,equality is what they get.


So equality means no honour, honesty or respect? And I don't mean opening doors or holding seats. Those are just common courtesies that both men and women should expect and do for each other. I always open doors for others, men and women, and I have yet to be reprimanded for it or seen anyone else do so.

Good post gonessailing. But I do disagree that there are no real men left. Some men still employ honor and respect in their own lives regardless of all this male bellyaching and bashing.
 compleat_man
Joined: 10/3/2008
Msg: 184
"REAL" 'good person" vs. "fake" chivalry? ??
Posted: 11/14/2008 8:22:40 AM
post # 183:

"WE do tend to view chivalry of the past through rose tinted glasses.

That chivalrous man of days of yore opened your doors and is a perfect gentleman with a lady.
But then he also went and beat his slaves; would go "be with the boys" by shooting a helpless animal for sport not food or burned and pillaged other kingdoms (even killing children) because his King said so.

So he may not open your doors, but at least he does not beat his slaves.
"Being with the boys" for him only means watching football on a widescreen.
When he is sent to foreign lands, it is usually as a business trip.
Even in the military, people are nowadays more sensitive to the cultural mores of the societies that they meet. We have made progress in some areas, but we are still working on having it all. Eventually, we'll get close to it."

yes, Bengal Blue (post # 183) is right on, sort of what I tried to say before.. :)

"chivalry" was and IS, often VERY SUPERFICIAL..

be 'polite' in public, then go home and beat your wife & kids etc..

Or, e.g. go to church and act like some 'perfect Christian' to impress other people.

then be a total HYPOCRITE and lie, cheat & steal in business to get ahead, etc

cheat on your spouse "secretly"...be a petty, hateful,. vindictive & jealous pr*ck, etc., etc.

I understand that Adolf Hitler was a very charming, "chivalrous" man to women & children (welll at least non-Jewish, or "aryan" ones..) he was reputed to be very kind to children & animals.

rather than the SUPERFICIAL "show" of chivalry, I'd rather a person be a GENUINELY good person.

MANY of those "Southern Gentlemen" you reminisce so fondly about also donned KKK hoods & robes at night and cowardly killed and tormeented people for being the "wrong race". ..etc.. Medgar Evers was no doubt murdered by "southern gentlemen"

keep your fake chivalry and try being an ACTUAL "good person"..
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 185
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/14/2008 8:29:29 AM

What ever happened to committment and chivalry?

I found both in one person. Well, he found me. HEY, thinking about that, I have both "qualities" in quite a few people. My son, my step-father, my friends, etc. Maybe I'm just lucky or maybe I get returned what I offer? I think it definitely works both ways and if I'm committed/faithful/loyal/etc., it's almost always returned. I also think chivalry is the most fun we can have with another person ~ do nice things for no reason and it's amazing what you get back. Whether it's a heartfelt thank you or a little surprise for no reason ~ it's all good when it happens. (And NO, I don't think these things apply only to romantic involvements ~ they apply to anyone/anything that is truly worth having in one's life.) JMO
 BryWithAYFromCA
Joined: 7/2/2008
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Posted: 11/14/2008 9:02:58 AM
Of course it exists, but when done properly it does not call attention to itself. Your "knight" will not be wearing shining armor, but you self-centered, cheating, or closet gay husband might.

If you demand it from a someone, you do not deserve it.

If you expect to live by it, expect to be hurt, taken advantage of, and be prepared to punish those who do harm.

Watch for people who treat themselves, you and others high and low with respect and you may see it.

But what the heck do I know?

Bry
 TennKan
Joined: 11/4/2008
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Posted: 11/14/2008 2:31:57 PM
I must admit, after reading a couple of post here , I am amazed.


That chivalrous man of days of yore opened your doors and is a perfect gentleman with a lady.
But then he also went and beat his slaves; would go "be with the boys" by shooting a helpless animal for sport not food or burned and pillaged other kingdoms (even killing children) because his King said so.



Chivalry is something is learned from your elders while growing up, so it was obvious they valued this trait. None of my ancestors, although southern, ever owned slaves. In fact most were sharecroppers, very small farmers or military. So no, never beat their slaves.

I assume you are referring to hunting in this ridiculous statement. Not even sure I want to comment on that lame remark.

Burned and pillaged other kingdoms. Um, yes, it is called war. Try reading the newspaper, it happens. Some are necessary, such as ww2.


MANY of those "Southern Gentlemen" you reminisce so fondly about also donned KKK hoods & robes at night and cowardly killed and tormeented people for being the "wrong race". ..etc.. Medgar Evers was no doubt murdered by "southern gentlemen"


I am a southern man living in the Midwest. Obvious by the name I use? I know alot of southern gentlemen and ladies, none of which ever condoned the KKK or any other hate group. Never heard of any of my ancestors being in one either, I imagine besides being to busy working, they did not live with hate. I find it to be a poor generalization to make such a statement. The men that killed Medgar Evers, were probably southern, very doubtful they were gentlemen.


be 'polite' in public, then go home and beat your wife & kids etc..
Or, e.g. go to church and act like some 'perfect Christian' to impress other people.
then be a total HYPOCRITE and lie, cheat & steal in business to get ahead, etc
cheat on your spouse "secretly"...be a petty, hateful,. vindictive & jealous pr*ck, etc., etc.


Still a southern gentleman who believes in chivalry, and not guilty to the above statements.


keep your fake chivalry and try being an ACTUAL "good person"..


If your were actually a good person, you might actually be acting with chivalry and not even realizing it. BUT how you can claim to be an ACTUAL “good person, and still spew such remarks is beyond me. Perhaps a little quite time in rediscovering the meaning of the definitions might help. Just saying….
 yourstillhere
Joined: 7/30/2008
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Posted: 11/14/2008 2:52:35 PM
I always make sure to hold her head down before I close the trunk lid, so you can just call me Mr Chivalry.
 pirateheaven
Joined: 5/11/2008
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Posted: 11/14/2008 3:45:48 PM
OP ---

I have neck ties older than you.

I was there when chivalry died and I can tell you who killed it. It was in the mid sixties. Some radical feminists hijacked the womans movement. They were experts at men bashing and blamed them for all the evil in the world, past, present and future. Unfortunately the "women" in general were fairly quiet and the radicals prevailed.

Standards of conduct plummeted and marriage became marginalized. Couples began living together and commitment was lessened. The 60's and 70's were weird times, and if you were not there, you wouldn't believe it.

Then came legalized abortion, and since then over 45 million babies were aborted and men had NO rights at all to stop it. The family unit fragmented.

Since then the radical feminists turned their guns on stay at home moms trying to make them feel inferior to women who work out of the home. Not having at least one full time parent has led to some unintended consequences.

Short history lesson.
 SouthernWay
Joined: 8/27/2008
Msg: 190
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Posted: 11/14/2008 11:34:52 PM

Most women unless they are ready to marry - find it boring unless it is johnny depp being chivalrous. And an awful lot of women are doing the "we grew apart" thing, and grabbing the house and kids, leaving the knight in shining armor hocking his armor to cover child support.


I would have to agree with you jumpypants; most women today are all about what they can accomplish in life and it doesn't matter how many men they have to walk or stomp on to get to that. Most women today don't know a good man when one falls out of the sky on their face. Or even what they truly want out of life; I mean, the media shoves all of this s**t down their throat at an early age and then it is reiterated with their mothers going out cheating on their fathers, or divorcing them for no good reason, or just being the way that they are today (thinking that they don‘t have to suffer any consequences for their actions; believe me I see it everyday, everywhere I go). This then ruins any and all chances of the "old school" women to find and convince these few and far between men that they really are the real thing and that they will do anything and everything for them just to make them happy with life; that they are here for the long haul, no matter what happens; that they are there to help through every obstacle that life may throw their way, no matter how small or large.

Although I do not think that women would have to be reduced to being marked as property as was in the past; maybe if the old values were established back with the new generation things would change, but that would mean that all of the “rigid” women of today would have to relearn what it means to be an actual woman and would have to honor and respect their man (like that will happen).

I was raised in such a way that you respected your elders, were kind to all the people you met, never talked back to your parents unless you wanted to pick your teeth up off the ground (hell for that matter never talk back to any one in your family), always used your manners, and if you loved someone, show them everyday, in whatever little way that you could. And in that regard, you would treat the one that you loved with the utmost care, striving to ensure their happiness; because within their happiness, you find yours and even though arguments are inevitable, you always stay by their side; through the arguments and through life. I was taught that if you did all of those things, then you would find happiness and a better understanding of life.
 ichi-bon
Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 191
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Posted: 11/15/2008 1:29:04 AM
Complete Man
You have made some pretty BROAD statements concerning a great deal of different types.
I for one was married to a True southern gentlemen. He was not just a church-goer, but a true Christian. He lived everyday of his life since being saved as one looking for the appearing of our Lord. I never in all the years I knew him Ever heard him say anything stronger than "dag-nabit" even in the heat of our arguments. He was not a wimp either. Christianity for one is not for wimps> it is easy to "go with the flow". However back on the subject at hand. My husband spent 11 years in the Airforce, played AAA Baseball, was Union President 3 terms for a local, and national Company
( 2400 employees locally), worked on many charities and a member of the board on many things locally and nationally.
He was as stubborn as the day is long with what he believed in..but open.. and ever learning. I respected him more than I could ever say, and even had I not been fortunate enough to be his wife, I would have still thought he was one of the finest men ever lived. He treated not only his wife and children with respect, but never even considered allowing a lady ( female) to open a door...always used yes sir, no sir........and give his seat to his elders or a woman when the circumstance warranted it. ..... allowed older couples ahead of him in line .......AND he didn't stop to ask their pedigree or if they were " loose" or not. WHEN WE HAD GUESTS IN OUR HOME..IT WAS AlWAYS Mi Casa, Su Casa...... and welcome to anything he owned except his wife.......Just basic common decency from a up-bringing he clung to. He would never have allowed a woman to pay for a meal in his presence.even if it meant he would have less than 15 cents for the rest of the week. My son is a lot like him..........and your age.....an E-8 in the Army......... and knows the
differnce between a male and a man. I could go on and on...............because chivalry is NOT dead.............just being overshadowed by those that don't have the basic idea .
To put others first, especially your lady..............is not a weakness , but a strength that few learn these days. I have seen so many children call their parents by their first name, stand up and cuss them, etc. My son as old as he is, if he ever even considered either.among other things...............I would lay him out. I am closer to my son-law's and daughter-law's than most people are their own children.
Do I saint him because he is dead.................no really just the true way he was. For me he had a magic about him........a true chivalry and I was proud and STill am to be his wife .
 ichi-bon
Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 192
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Posted: 11/15/2008 1:42:36 AM
AND also.he was from the DEEP south, but we had many black friends both in the community and in our home. His family as far as either of us knew were never involved in the KKK..................
Never cheated on his taxes and was inclined to pay more on the the plus side. He believed that this country, .......reguardless of whether his choice for elected leaders or not......was just as much his responsibilty to uphold as anyone. To cheat in anyway is to cheat the man in the mirror. He was not perfect in any way............but he really did believe in death before dishonor, etc...all of the things that in my opinion makes a man a real man. And he was a good man.
Do we judge all Germans by Hitler ? No............All Japs...by Pearl Harbour...........or all Vietnamese by the Viet Cong............all yankees by slave traders................on and on.
I was involved in lots of childrens programs in innner city. People respond to how you treat them.........and I prefer to treat each of them as I want to be treated........makes me sleep well at night..........and maybe , just maybe make a difference.

I was always the quieter one and more shy while he was really outgoing............but he referred to me as the "wind beneath his wings" and until I see GLORY........I will never know a greater honor than being his wife.
 ichi-bon
Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 193
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/15/2008 8:39:25 AM
GoneSailinBabe


I relate to you so much on the upbringing of your sons. My late husband was not the father of my chldren, but an ex-husband that to this day has not figured out how to be a man. Still a two throwing fits and wondering why he don't always get his way.
Long before my late husband came into the picture, .........I installed in my children common decency and respect. My wonderful husband just re-inforced those values.
I am amazed sometimes myself at my children..........and often so proud it literally brings tears to my eyes. In between husband's, I had a rough row to hoe raising them and still trying to be a full- time mom. I put my own career on hold to work as a day-care teacher so I was able to have them with me. I also raised two step-children...that if I did not tell you which were mine by birth..you would not know.
They are all respectful, whole, successful. Not too long ago I mentioned how I was so proud of all they have accomplished and how proud I am of them..........they far excel me in any economic stature, and are quite self confident. My oldest daughter( not by birth) said " Mom, we have all talked about this for years........we know what other kids were allowed to do, how they dissed their parents, never had to do the chores, the respect we were taught for others, etc. We know how easy it would be for you to have just let us have our own way........ we see it in our own children.... and now know that it hurts to correct them sometimes...........it takes guts and love to be a real parent....on and on.
I applaud you for the sacrifices you made "Gonesailinbabe" ............ the rewards of seeing such fine young men as you have kinda makes all those sacrifices dim now.
The hand that rocks the cradle really does rule the world...........and I wish more would attend to that, than excelling in carreers at the EXSPENSE" of their children.
I will probably get battered here for the " career" thing...... but I believe what I believe.
 Thalion94518
Joined: 8/13/2008
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Posted: 11/15/2008 8:46:21 AM
Fascinating topic and discussion. It's really given me a whole new perspective on how other people view something i've been mulling over for quite some time.

I may be in the minority, but I think what happened isn't that women changed... it's that men have changed.

I see in today's society an increase in the attitude of "what's in it for me?"

I think that in the attitude lays what happened to the concept of chivalry.

A lot of responses to the original poster go on and decry the fact that chivalry isn't appreciated... that men are taken advantage of... basically that being chivalrous (however one may define it) doesn't have "a positive return on investment."

Taking being "nice" or "polite" or whatever you want to call it, is doomed to failure. Women can sense it. That's why "nice guys finish last". It's not because men are doing it for themselves... it's because they expect something in return for it. It's niceness born out of weakness, not strength.

If you want to exhibit chivalrous behavior, do it for yourself... NOT for others. Do it because you feel it is the proper code of conduct for yourself, not because society expects it or to in order to be looked upon favorably by others.

I've chosen to live by the credo that it doesn't really matter whom I impress. I do try to live by the virtues outlined earlier of courage, mercy, justice, generosity, faith, nobility, and hope... not for others, but because that is the way I choose to live my life. It matters not if women "appreciate" it or not. It's all about being true to oneself.
 10of6
Joined: 8/27/2008
Msg: 195
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Posted: 11/15/2008 8:52:48 AM
I believe a chivalrous man will take a loud-mouthed, self-centered, sassy wench over his knee and whoop her good, until she changes her behavior to be deserving of civil/chivalrous treatment.

Then, again, this type of treatment--a part of the entire "being a man" mystique--is no longer an option, unless the man who does this enjoys unemployment, excoriation by the community, and possible jail time.

For me, I just don't bother wasting my time in a culture and civilization that not only no longer appreciates and heralds this behavior, and works with a feverish energy reminscent of psychopaths with a view towards expunging it from men..
 Paul-a-Bear
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 196
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/15/2008 9:30:42 AM
There is a lack of respect between men and women. Various things I have noticed while being on POF.
1. Women state what they are wanting and how to be treated.
2. Some women are predators.
3. Men and women predators don't mix.
4. Men don't listen or communicate effectively to the needs of a female.

Men know how to hunt. When they hunt they kill the woman in the relationship. She slowly dies because he has accomplished what he set out to do. Women have to learn how to keep that hunt going once being captured. Men need to learn how to keep the relationship going through communication. DATING even in marriage. Learning how both will need to set a date night and not let other priorities and children get in the way of the relationship.

What happened to commitment and chivalry? -- There is a vicious cycle which is occurring.
Women get mistreated. So they mistreat the men based off of the last experience she has had with the last men she has been dating. Men get mistreated. Men get mistreated for the same reasons as the woman.

Therefore, how do you break the cycle?
1. Men need to be honest! Say what you mean and not do something different.
2. Men who lead in a caring, loving and supportive way will have a woman that will reciprocate.
3. Men need to learn not to hunt for the meat for a drive thru relationship. Quick lay
Men have to learn some women have sex because of the lack of respect for themselves. They have to prove to themselves they are pretty and want to feel the need they are wanted. Relationships such as this do not last except for the physical needs. Then after said and done she shoves her feelings and emotions of guilt and shame to the side and continues in her cycle.
4. Men need to learn how to show commitment and turn off the hunt mode. Show respect and above all be an effective listener.
5. Men need to communicate on a woman's level and understanding her emotions. Comforting and not trying to fix something. Give them credit women are smart; smarter than men in relationships.

Finally, by no means am I bashing men; I have simply noted that men do the leading. When men show the commitment and chivalry they can break the vicious cycle or ill-treatment. It will take a while for a woman to connect. Give her space so she can analyze her thoughts about the man she likes. Along with commitment and chivalry is repast. You don't have to get touchy feely. Men have to control their physical nature and allow the woman to make the move. Hard to do! Been there but it works.
 10of6
Joined: 8/27/2008
Msg: 197
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Posted: 11/15/2008 10:06:20 AM
^^^^^I know you're taking yourself seriously, but I'm calling you on this one.

Do you understand that you can substitute the word "man/men" for "woman/women" and vice-versa in your five-point plant and it be completely applicable? By the way I don't know how to nor give a crap about hunting; let's put this prejudice away in the prejudice box, with all of the rest of the prejudices, k? Either sex has the capability of doing things they don't need to do in everyday life. I have the ability to run faster and to lift more than most women, so when I need to use it, I will; I don't consider it as a factor in how I think or react.

When women show they deserve the chivalry they're so desperately seeking, then perhaps it will be bestowed.
 ichi-bon
Joined: 3/30/2008
Msg: 198
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Posted: 11/15/2008 12:06:27 PM
When women show they deserve the chivalry they're so desperately seeking, then perhaps it will be bestowed
10of6

And just how do you determine who you "figure" deserves this treatment.? By what standards do you base this?
EVERYONE deserves common courtesy, chilvary, whatever it is called............I would treat the man on the street corner with a sign in his hand for food,or the man filthy picking up cans for a living with the same respect as I do ANYONE.....in a suit and tie, or in office. It is not who they are, or how they portray themselves that determines who I AM, and what I believe. I may not always get the same treatment in return,,,and true I have a tenderheart that has been crushed many times by people that may believe my kindness as weakness.....but God help me, if I ever forget how!!! Where do you or anyone else get off putting yourself above others and expecting them to "deserve". When they no longer "deserve" do you go back to treating them like dirt because they no longer maintain your standards? How do you know what life has dealt to them, and how decide which is "WORTHY" of you? WOW>>>>>>>>>>>>>..come on.
Religion aside.........Jesus said it best when HE said" love thy neighbor as thyself."
Imagine the returns if one would just treat others with the same respect they would like.? My children have always told me one of the greatest lessons I ever taught them was that " for the grace of GOD, there go I...................."
How many women have been so beat down by a man they trusted ........that meeting a good man is what they need to bring them back,,, struggle to find themselves again.......,and vice versa for a man?
You can't teach a person to stand tall by knocking them down every time they try to stand.
No wonder our society is in such trouble

MY SOAPBOX FOR THE DAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>but it clearly made me ANGRY!!
 want2trust
Joined: 9/25/2008
Msg: 199
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/15/2008 2:16:49 PM
ichi-bon.................you rock girl! You said everything I wanted to say, but so much more eloquently.

To the young men on this thread who think you know what it is like to live and love, let me assure you, you don't. If there was life history and years full of loving another, then your tone and tune would be different. Of course there are selfish people out there of both genders. But if how you live YOUR life is based on REACTING to these people, you will be very lonely and bitter at the end of your life. Please, take a moment to re-read the posts of
bry11bec, BengalBlue, and Thalion94518.....these are the 'real men' that understand. I will have to remember to get my chivalrous husband to comment when he gets in from work. Perhaps we can get Bry, Bengal, Thalion, and my husband (Ben_Raines on POF) to hold classes. Live your life with high standards. Not for others, but for yourself. Will you get used and mistreated? Sure. But you will sleep well at night and be at peace.

Oh, and Valentino.......you may instruct also......I know you still remember how!
 Seriouslytaken
Joined: 6/23/2008
Msg: 200
What ever happened to committment and chivalry?
Posted: 11/15/2008 8:36:23 PM
A chivalrous man does not have to worry about how unchivalrous others are
Talking about models of restraint.....
If women made 'safe' profiles, there would less jerks around them.
Now you can call me sarcastic.


When women show they deserve the chivalry they're so desperately seeking, then perhaps it will be bestowed
Agreed.

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