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 Ouija2025
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Why oh why is it always a " friend"
Only have his side, maybe not a case of couldn't get pass
as opposed to couldn't perform
Sounds like he thought his winning personality would make her shed the weigh
If she did
Probably wouldnt have banged said friend
Dating is not supposed to be " changing" others
If it was
All Men would look like my Vin
 arlo2
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Posted: 4/15/2015 5:44:04 PM

maybe not a case of couldn't get pass as opposed to couldn't perform


Six of one, half-dozen of the other. If he can't force himself to be aroused by her, the evening's "performance" will be cancelled. Sometimes, the little blue pill can help "the show go on". But, that would probably get old ( and expensive ) pretty quickly.

To try to bring this back to the subject, the same goes for women who are just not attracted to short men. If you try to force it, you will probably get similar results.
 LetitiaLeGrande
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Posted: 4/16/2015 1:42:06 AM
trying to force yourself to be attracted sexually to someone when they have other wonderful qualities, is a big mistake, for both parties. If the woman remained chubby even after encouragement to exercise, she must be okay with herself the way she is. She should have remained in the friendzone because now there will be recriminations and heartache to deal with by your "friend".
 Eternityboreme
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Posted: 4/16/2015 3:32:16 AM


By all means, if someone wants to live a life of delusion, then so long as they aren’t harming anyone, I’m not going to bother them. But living a life of delusion makes it much more difficult to accomplish achievable goals, since you are focusing on almost unachievable goals.


If the goal is to feel good about one's own body, what's the problem? If she _feels_ like a super modeland isn't declaring that works as one, what's the issue? Or, maybe she does work as a model for clothes, cosmetics, and things that all women purchase and enjoy?

I read scads of profiles in which middle-age men who convey they feel younger then their stated, chronological age. In this case, it doesn't have a damn to do with body acceptance or functioning with a fit body; it's about bill-boarding for much younger women. That's the difference.

I dated a man who insisted on the same thing, only to reveal that he was actually a smoker who coughed incessantly, fell asleep while eating, and couldn't get it up half of the time. He was a broken down, broken bottle, broken man who looked considerably older than his middle-age...and he was a consummate liar. (My picker was clearly broken.) Talk about delusions! Delusions of grandeur!
 HawkingJr
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Posted: 4/16/2015 12:08:42 PM
“This was irrespective of the relative heights of the two women.”

I assume this experiment was being controlled for the men’s other characteristics? Both men equally attractive and similar backgrounds? Or perhaps the short man with otherwise superior stats?

“BUT if I didn't have at least a 5% response rate, I would at first try different pictures, profiles, sites, etc, but if none of that worked I wouldn't devote any more time to OLD… Something that put me into contract with a lot of single or younger women.”

I have THOUSANDS of real life rejections. Before OLD came into existence, I piled up many hundreds, and as I said a couple of posts ago, I received no noticeable romantic interest prior to graduating from college, despite having mostly female best friends, frequently working with many young females and constantly being in major social environments. OLD is just a tool to meet people (in some cases, an imperfect tool or a tool skewed positively or negatively for certain people). A broken bottle is going to be a broken bottle, whether on a website or in real life situations. I think most people here are probably are in agreement with me on that; where the argument lies is what exactly makes me a broken bottle.

“from what I gather even taller men get about 5% contact rate with online dating, if that.”

I think this gets skewed a lot. Men much younger than me have absolutely awful response rates because their competition is absurd, so they throw off the curve. You’ve also got a lot of men with squalid profiles and terrible messaging skills contacting only supermodels, so they’re also throwing off the curve. Most decent-looking men of normal or above-average height on here that are around my age or above with profiles as solid as mine report far better response rates than 5%.

More importantly, many of them are also reporting the nearly mythical female first contact on a semi-regular basis, and with the majority of first meetings occurring following female first contact, this is probably the most important status to have on the site. I had one female first contact message each in 2013 & 2014 and so far none in 2015, despite living in a major metro, ranking extremely high in most searchable characteristics such as education and income and typically having a well-written profile with good quality pictures. Or maybe it’s not well-written (though I frequently check out the competition, and I’m pretty certain it’s better written than 80% of those one to two sentence guys), but considering I only get one unsolicited view a month, apparently it doesn’t really matter what I write, because that’s not what I’m being judged on. Anyway, my point is, equivalent men of normal height usually get far better response rates than the male population at large. If I had undesirable stats outside of my height (high school educated janitor with a one line Ebonics profile), then I'd probably have less than a 1% response rate as opposed to 5% (and that's over 8 years; I'm much closer to 2%-3% these days).

“Hawking mentioned the Ukrainian girls and that REALLY wouldn't work considering most dislike North Americans and most are Xenophobic and racist.”

Oddly enough, I have a Ukrainian female friend, as in, she moved here from the Ukraine when she was a child. She is stereotypically gorgeous but extremely nice and not a racist bone in her body. But she may be an exception to the rule. She’s not the reason why I threw Ukrainian women out there as an example – they really are considered among the world’s most beautiful women (one year, Playboy had three Ukrainian-born Playmates and Yulia Tymoshenko is usually ranked as the most attractive female head-of-state in history), yet at the same time, most Ukrainian women want the hell out of that country. Though perhaps not quite as much as Russian women want out of Russia.

“Hawking has said a couple of times the reason he doesn't like children is because they don't communicate well. Something like that. I doubt he has the patience to deal with someone just learning English.”

This is accurate.

“Your friend had enough attraction to get into an actual relationship for MONTHS, and now he 'realizes' that he just isn't 'physically attracted' to this woman that he has been with???? AND is unable to 'fake it' anymore???”

When I was younger, I faked attraction to women I was repulsed by for that long – sometimes even started fooling myself into believing it for a little while. But there is definitely a big difference between the guy in that example and me: I was (and am) desperate due to the lack of options, so it’s not surprising I would end up doing such a thing – somebody with all the options he has is a bit more difficult to understand, assuming we believe he had pure motives in the beginning. I mean, we pretty much all agree that someone you have much chemistry with but aren’t attracted to is a friend, right?

“trying to force yourself to be attracted sexually to someone when they have other wonderful qualities, is a big mistake, for both parties.”

100% agree. Yet, I can promise you, after 8 years of datelessness, if the opportunity came up again, I would make this big mistake again. I’m really kind of to the point of where I can no longer argue with a woman who finds me attractive that I find tolerable enough to date. And I really have no problem dating someone who is not really attracted to me but has "ulterior motives," so long as I'm attracted to her. My “special someone” does not exist. If it all ends in a murder-suicide, so be it.

“That's the difference.”

Is that a difference? So I guess if I included a line in my profile about how I *feel* taller than 5’4”, that’s “billboarding” for a taller woman? Or is it merely a delusion? Or is it not a problem at all, because I actually *feel* taller than 5’4”?

Basically you’ve declared yourself judge and jury on whether or not people feeling like something they are not is inspirational self-esteem, delusions of grandeur or real delusion. I think it’s all delusion. Which is not to say I necessarily consider a rarely achieved dream to automatically be delusion. 99% of model aspirants never become supermodels, but some have good reason to believe they could be in that 1%. 99% of aspiring screenwriters will never win an Academy Award or write a $100M blockbuster, but I don’t consider myself delusional for believing I could be in that 1%, because I’ve taken many writing classes and have numerous creative writing accolades. Now if I believed I had a shot at becoming an NBA player, that would be delusion – especially now, but even in my youth, Muggsy Bogues be damned (he was borderline delusional, because all history pointed toward that being an impossibility – however, he had unbelievable talent for a person of any height, so if any person of our height ever had legitimate reason to believe he had a chance to make it, it would have been him).
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 4/16/2015 1:17:39 PM

yet at the same time, most Ukrainian women want the hell out of that country. Though perhaps not quite as much as Russian women want out of Russia.



Where did you hear that?Seems someone has been listening to those SCAM agency lines :)

That is BS. Even in the 1990's, it was a very small amount that wanted out but those were usually village girls and they preferred to go to nearby EU countries so they can visit home. 99% of Ukrainian girls would NOT want to leave their home permanently. They would like to travel and work abroad though.

As for Russians, even more preposterous. Accept for young liberals who want better business opportunities and are usually men , the majority of Russians are nationalistic. And the economy has been better in Russia than it has been in Ukraine for the last 15 years +, so they are less wanting to leave. Immigration with whole family is a whole different matter. The Jewish ones you see in NYC and Miami , as well as Israel are an exception, and left for various reasons and most importantly with their whole family.

Ironically I have seen the opposite. I actually know those who went back after making it here to find better opportunities over there and even to retire! Many of their rich are basically Brighton Beach immigrants who went back to rob the countries.

Also don't differentiate between beauty of Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian, etc gals. They are all basically the same ethnicity(Eastern Kievan Rus Slav) except for the Western Ukrainians who are more similar to western Slavs and less model like due to cultural lifestyle.

As for Yulia Tymoshenko , or as we call her the evil gas thief, she should look proper considering how much money she spent on her campaign manager and image consultant to appeal to the Western UA and village nationalists. But her whole image was made up to get voters. She is technically an eastern Ukrainian, aka RUSSIAN.

In any case it is that thinking that gets MANY American guys in trouble..inviting a predator to your cave when you are the prey is NEVER a good idea. And let me part by saying that in the local Russian newspapers here they ACTUALLY advertise and encourage these arrangements and advise them how to milk it until they can leave...often they either go back home or come to their ethnic enclave here in Brooklyn. It is a big money making mafia business!
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
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Posted: 4/16/2015 1:41:22 PM
AdventureJoe70...very interesting Ukrainian / Russian lesson from a man who knows the "real deal" from the streets!
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 4/16/2015 1:46:42 PM
Thank you Secretary of State Eric_Summit. I am glad for our victory over the Franks of Halifax( Seems the Romans failed to catch them all) and I am sure in your position you won't make the same mistake Hillary did when she insulted the Russian foreign minister with her whole
"red reset" button joke..something that has a whole different meaning in translation.
 HawkingJr
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Posted: 4/16/2015 2:28:36 PM
"Where did you hear that?"

My Ukrainian friend, of course. To be fair, her family fled the country during the destabilized period of the mid-90s when corruption and inflation were out of control. However, even though the environment has obviously settled down quite a bit (last year's Crimea crisis nothwithstanding), she says many of the family and friends she knows that are in still in the Ukraine long to be in the US or the EU, although there are obviously the Klitschko types who would rather return to/stay in the madness and help build a better Ukraine.
 gfe0787
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Posted: 4/27/2015 1:14:13 PM
Well, I am speaking for myself.
I am 5'0 (with heels I am 5'5). I think the "ideal" height range for a man for me would be between 5'6-5'10.
That doesn't mean I will reject someone if they're slightly below or above, but the above is just my ideal preference in height. =)
 HawkingJr
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Posted: 4/27/2015 4:23:28 PM
I don't mean to sound too creepy, gfe... but maybe when I was in South Florida this past weekend, I should have just stayed down there.
 ThePig0fYourDreams
Joined: 2/2/2015
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Posted: 4/27/2015 4:31:43 PM
Damn, she's a looker, eh Hawk??

And see? She's not demanding a 6-footer.

Oh, and nice "Office Space" reference, gfe. Loved that flick.
 gfe0787
Joined: 4/24/2015
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Posted: 4/27/2015 5:07:30 PM
It's okay, HawkingJr. I don't think you're creepy. lol. =)
 gfe0787
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Posted: 4/27/2015 5:08:24 PM
Thanks, pig.
Classic, good movie!
 norwegianguy123
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Posted: 4/27/2015 5:30:28 PM

I am 5'0 (with heels I am 5'5).

Wow... you never "settle" for 4 inch heels...?

I think the "ideal" height range for a man for me would be between 5'6-5'10. That doesn't mean I will reject someone if they're slightly below or above, but the above is just my ideal preference in height. =)

If you Only go by 5 inch heels, my initial thought is that you'd be more stringent on a guy's height than you make it out to be. Hey, we all naturally want to tone down what could be "superficial" about ourselves. Over 9 / 10 gals who are in your same boat who'd say the same thing, all other things being equal about the guy, would go for an inch or two "above" VS "below". Sure, more open to go for the "below" to prove some jerk like me wrong, but... just saying. :)

Good news is though, I think it's more that way when a gal doesn't know a guy at all. It's less of an issue when she does.

All in all, as long as he isn't shorter than She (leeway on that if he's muscular), it's not so much how much taller he is than She -- but how tall he is compared to other guys in the room. Otherwise, on a certain popular site where it shows specific height ranges, you'd see gals who are 5'1" have the same Relative height-difference preferences as girls who are 5'7". Gals at 5'1" aren't that far off from gals 5'7" when it comes to minimum height. When it comes to guys they don't already know somewhat, they don't want one of the shorter guys in the room.

I don't mean to sound too creepy, gfe... but maybe when I was in South Florida this past weekend, I should have just stayed down there.

Yes... make sure you look look through the basement window when you track a gal down! It makes a guy look bigger when she's looking up and sees you through it.
 gfe0787
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Posted: 4/27/2015 5:50:08 PM
Hi norwegianguy123

haha, I do "settle" for 4 inch heels or less. I just used the 5 inch ones as example just because lol. I have no clear reason actually. Most of the time I actually prefer flats or 3 inch heels since they're more comfy for me.

I don't know. I find men of all heights attractive given their features. Some have been 5'5....others have been 6'2.
I *try* to not be superficial bc really I am not perfect. Nobody else is either. I think what matters most is the personality (as cheesy as that might sound lol). I do love my height, so I wouldn't change it for anything. I think guys that are short should be happy with their height as well. There's always someone for somebody somewhere. The only thing is timing...but that's another topic. =)
 Blackwood85
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Posted: 4/28/2015 4:12:51 AM
All things being equal similar looks, similar personality etc...a girl will probably go for a guy who's slightly taller than the other guy. I'm 5'9" or 5'10" depends on who is doing the measuring, if a guy is 6'0" standing next to me that's only a 2" difference but that 2 inches can be all the difference for some women. Not complaining, at the end of the day we're all adults, we can control our dating pool for the most part. I've seen short guys with women who are much taller and I've had a girl send me a message asking why I didn't send her a message since I visited her profile and wanted to meet up with her even though her profile flatly stated that she wanted a guy 6'0" at the minimum. The same thing happened to me on Tinder before except the height was 6'2" I actually told them I was under their height threshold and they didn't seem to care about the details they themselves put down.

Men and women can lament about height and weight being factors but I've seen fat women with plenty of men and short guys with plenty of women. I've been in clubs in which I know I look better than a lot of those men but they're surrounded by women. While my black ass can't even get a dance.
 south_city
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Posted: 4/28/2015 7:09:14 AM

Men and women can lament about height and weight being factors but I've seen fat women with plenty of men and short guys with plenty of women. I've been in clubs in which I know I look better than a lot of those men but they're surrounded by women. While my black ass can't even get a dance.


Things like height and weight tend to be more important online. Since people often make assessments about others based on pictures and stats. Then maybe the rest of the profile. Offline, people can get to know you and your personality over time. Plus a woman may not realize a man is 5' 10" instead of 6 ft tall. Unless she is fairly tall herself.
 Dee4166
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Posted: 4/28/2015 7:30:32 AM
I think it's pretty sad just HOW interchangeable people think that they ARE....

If I met two guys with a height difference, I would be attracted to the one that I'm attracted to which could be either, depends on who appeals to me more....

If both are of equal looks, and are articulate and intelligent, have a good sense of humour, well, it's going to come down to who I have the better connection with....

That has NOTHING to do with how tall the guy is....Because HEIGHT IS NOT A DETERMINING FACTOR FOR A LOT OF WOMEN......

But I have learned that there is NOTHING that can be said to SOME posters, about it, because despite ALL evidence to the contrary they are determined to believe that their height IS the deciding factor in their social lives....

I'm starting to believe that it is more to do with projection at this point...Perhaps THEY would choose, say a slimmer girl over one that they like more, who happens to be somewhat overweight, given the choice and think that women are the same way....

While many women may 'swoon' at the muscle-bound hardbody in magazines, or on tv, the reality is that if you look at the average commercial on tv that is supposed to be using 'average' people , the women is ALWAYS in better shape and usually much better-looking than the man....
Which I see reflected in MY local population a LOT....Even MORE so, when I go to the States....

There's STILL a helluva lot of pressure on women to look good and that 'look' is determined by current trends, which, at the moment seems to lean towards 'eating-disorder chic' but hopefully, will move towards a healthier model in the future....
 HawkingJr
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Posted: 4/28/2015 8:12:40 AM
“It's okay, HawkingJr. I don't think you're creepy. lol.”

Oh, you just wait! I’m just warming up. But seriously, I’d move to Ft. Lauderdale in a heartbeat. Probably a better idea than my usual South Florida fantasy of moving to South Beach because I’d probably be dead in less than a week of living there as I WOULD NEVER SLEEP. (Also applies to New Orleans & Las Vegas.)

“I *try* to not be superficial bc really I am not perfect.”

Jermaine Jackson and I respectfully differ on that opinion.

“Because HEIGHT IS NOT A DETERMINING FACTOR FOR A LOT OF WOMEN...... But I have learned that there is NOTHING that can be said to SOME posters, about it, because despite ALL evidence to the contrary they are determined to believe that their height IS the deciding factor in their social lives.... I'm starting to believe that it is more to do with projection at this point...”

So here are the first 10 female responses in this thread to the original question:

The taller the better for me!
I prefer a guy that is at least 5'9" or taller...
I've always dated guys that are at least 6 feet tall
I'm with Carrie on this one...The taller, the better!
Ditto to those who said "the taller the better”
Personally if a guy interests me enough I don't mind if he is a few inches shorter than me but I do prefer a guy who is at least my height (5'9") or taller.
i LOVE a guy who is 6 feet and up to 6 3 ish. i feel feminine around a tall, well stocked guy.
definetly the taller the guy is the better..
Does not really matter as long as he is faithful ...

8 out of 10 claiming height IS a determining factor is not a “lot” of women? Check the rest of this thread and all the other height threads and that ratio will pretty much stay the same (or go higher). So short men are *projecting* -- they’re just imagining things? Or is this some sort of conspiracy – did some short guy make 8 out of 10 “female” profiles just so he could prove some kind of point?

I believe you when you say you don’t care about height -- I believe any woman who claims that. But the overwhelming evidence is that you’re the extreme exceptions, not the rule. If you want to win this debate, you need to go tell all of your “sisters” to keep their opinions to themselves and to quit screwing up your arguments.
 Sweet_Danimal
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Posted: 4/28/2015 10:00:49 AM
Why would 80% of the single men in my area and age group ALL be listed in POF as above-average height?
It's not genetics - or the truth - morals has nothing to do with it - it's supply and demand. Getting ignored based on height happens. So does income and other factors. It's why people lie in here about age and body shape and everything else - because getting caught in a lie means you STILL caught their attention - and that's still more important than being completely ignored.

Of course, in the forum, everyone gets to have their own individual opinions and proclaim them. There's nothing wrong with having an alternative view. Nothing whatsoever. What is wrong is when people BELIEVE their own individual experiences and opinions to be factual for a far wider audience. One jerk boyfriend or psychopath girlfriend doesn't mean every person of the opposite sex is unstable or cruel - yet people LOVE to project their experiences across the rest of the planet through social media and whatever means they have at their disposal.

The real eye-awakening experience is taking yourself out of the picture and observing what other people do. Try logging out and doing searches as a member of the opposite sex. Keep them local and detailed to get exact numbers for the searches instead of "400+" people match and find out what the audience as a whole is doing. You may be surprised.
 FullMoonGuy
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Posted: 4/28/2015 12:11:43 PM

So here are the first 10 female responses in this thread to the original question:

The taller the better for me!
I prefer a guy that is at least 5'9" or taller...
I've always dated guys that are at least 6 feet tall
I'm with Carrie on this one...The taller, the better!
Ditto to those who said "the taller the better”
Personally if a guy interests me enough I don't mind if he is a few inches shorter than me but I do prefer a guy who is at least my height (5'9") or taller.
i LOVE a guy who is 6 feet and up to 6 3 ish. i feel feminine around a tall, well stocked guy.
definetly the taller the guy is the better..
Does not really matter as long as he is faithful ...

8 out of 10 claiming height IS a determining factor is not a “lot” of women?


And by an amazing coincidence, if one actually starts taking the time to carefully observe male/female couples out in the real world, over time one will notice that the man is taller than the woman around 8 times out of 10, regardless of ethnicity. See for yourself.
 Kissfromarose77
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Posted: 4/28/2015 12:44:34 PM
The average height is going up all the time. Soon 6'0 is going to be the average height for a man. It must be all those hormones their putting in food these days that's making kids taller.
 Sweet_Danimal
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Posted: 4/28/2015 2:14:28 PM

The average height is going up all the time. Soon 6'0 is going to be the average height for a man.

There are stories about the Brits average height increasing by 11 cm since the 1870's.
That's 4.33 inches in 143 years, or .0303 inches per year.
The average height of an American Male is 5'9" to 5'10" depending on your sources...
So let's do the math...
69.5 inches to 72 inches = 2.5 inches to go
2.5 divided by .0303 = 82.5 years to go

BOY, I wish I had that kind of optimism.
 Blackwood85
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Posted: 4/28/2015 6:54:44 PM
The average height is 5'9 1/2" for men and 5'4" for women then it varies by race and nationality, the area of the country you grew up in, older siblings tend to be shorter than they're siblings. I think men get upset about height because it's something they can't control and to be rejected because of it is unfair, of course life isn't fair but I can understand why some men would be annoyed by it.

Weight is slightly different, yes I understand weight loss is hard, I understand that obesity is a disease and some people can't fight it but for the most part it is something that can be controlled and prevented, not everyone with weight problems has thyroid issues and in fact it's the weight gain that leads to hypothyroidsm . Really it's about dieting and exercise which anyone can do if they have the discipline, that's totally different than being born short.
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