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 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
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 Taztiger72
Joined: 2/26/2008
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Posted: 1/30/2010 8:59:01 PM
verygreeneyez you are getting silly at this you know that!

Napoleon was 5'7" OK - his nemisis was the Duke of Wellington who was 6'2" which in 1815 was enourmous for then - OK - Wellington hated all and I mean all men shorter than himself!

As for Napoleon - his 1st wife was Joséphine de Beauharnais she was 5'4" she didn't like him not because of his height (which it has be contrived for the Napoleon Complex) but 2 other reasons which are 1. His Race - He was of Corsican which is heavily ethic Italian and he had darker skin than a Frenchman. 2. He wasn't Aristocracy - he was commoner in her eyes and not worthy for her, and he dumped her when he became Emperor of France.

http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/bonapartenapoleon/a/napoleonheight.htm

Now the British Claim 5'7" in French Inches = 5'2" in British Inches if this is the case Joséphine de Beauharnais was still shorter under 5'0" Tall! Which in real size the French Inch was longer at the time - sorry, plus some British still claim he was under 4'10" in height - which would make him even smaller?

Napoleon's 2nd wife: Marie Louise, Duchess of Parma (Austrian Empire) was around the same size 5'4".

Enough with this contrived nonsense - which it is = and in Napoleon's case it was Propaganda and slighting by the British!

Tall or Short doesn't make the man - it's what the man is and does and the way he thinks - get over it - there are Creepy Nasty Short Men and there are Creepy Nasty Tall Men - don't base totally on someone's height - if Tall or Short was the answer we would all be Tall or Short now! We are Not!

The point is this Good Men come in all sizes and don't judge only on someone's Height! Because that is 100% Judgmental and not a preference - because with a preference it's negotiable - with a close cased judgment it means NO no matter what!


2) several reaerch studies show a huge proportion do. Aprox. in the high 80s to low 90's. Thus about 10% will date short guys. The 90 persent do not prefer to date BUT will ONLY date guys 5'10"+= requirment.
3) Not easy to find that 10% AND have all the other compatability factors come together, thus making it EXTREEMLY hard to find a mate.


Well, I must deal with the 10% and you know what I'd rather - Make Lemonade than sour grapes - but lot of women on here are so damn closed minded that they don't see they are short changing themselves - be more realistic than 8-10" inches difference - you need to be 2-3" that is reasonable not only 6'0" Tall men are for me and if I can't have him - then I won't date until one comes along - you're gonna wait a long time and be very miserable in the process - Like I said not everyone gets a Caddy - there are other options....

 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 106
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Posted: 1/31/2010 4:16:55 AM

verygreeneyez you are getting silly at this you know that!

Because I can rebuke your false statements time and time again, I'm silly? "Pot meet Kettle" comes to mind (as you became SILLY about 3 pages of posts ago.) Your above argument falls short of making a valid rebuttal. It's still Little Man Syndrome no matter who he was married to or not married to. (Pun SO intended.) Did you actually state one can "make lemonade or sour grapes" ??? OMFG!!!!
 Hopefull1964
Joined: 4/8/2009
Msg: 107
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Posted: 1/31/2010 6:06:55 AM
Taz has explicated quite accurately the historical facts, without footnotes, to back up his point. NOT needed as this is not a University academic forum. Anyone in a graduate class in psychology would be laughed out of the classroom for even letting " Napolean Compex" pass their lips. In phsychology, theories such as this one are termed "pop-psychology" as they were conjured up by an uneducated populace & based on no scientific study. Reputable Universities such as Harvard, Yale & Princton have spent decades developing tests to unearth our subconsious thoughts. The most accurate test is the I.A.T. First as Taz. is pointing out the" Napolean Complex" is a misnomer because the historical facts surrounding Napoleon bear out that this "complex" is missaplied to Napolean. Getting past THAT; we all understand the gist of the concept, " Napolean Complex". Three decades & recent studies applying the I.A.T. have debunked the belief that short men have any greater tendance to insecurity ( due to height or any other factor) & " overcompensating" for it, than any other group in society. The perception of such insecurities & overcompensating has been proven to be greatly dependent on those doing the percieving. Eg. Historically one group would see another group as insecure & overcompensating ( Germans towards the Jews .... remember the Germans saw the Jews as inferior & insecure .... thus overcompensating by " overworking" their businesses & amassing wealth. This became a big source of distain & hate the Germans had for the Jews. This perception was entirely based on the Germans prejudice & hate for the Jews. It was not an accurate reflection of the mindset of the majority of Jews. The Jews' mind set was just simply to work hard to be successful, live comfortably & provide a good inheritence for their children. The same desires & goals the Germans held. ) Same too with short men. Indeed some are insecure. BUT several studies using the I.A.T showed that most are not behaving in an insecure manner although percieved by many as doing so. Just one of many eg. many women see the short man as insecure if he is wealthy &/or drives a flashy sports car. he must be " overcompensating" for his lack of height. These women have no idea weather or not he thinks he has " lack of height". These women see it as such because they desire a man with height & see him as lacking it. But when presented a tall man with a flashy sports car they see a successful VERY eligable & confident bachelor. Ok, enough said. My arguments are not provided with footnotes & brief snipits from reaserch. Some posters will " bull up ' on it but so what. This forum is not an academic forum AND I got other things to do other than spend all my time on this. Not like I am going to earn a degree or win an award. AND the whole point of this thread was not to discuss the validity of the "Napolean Complex" . I do feel that if someone does a bit of reaserch & finds the academic studies on the concept , they will in future be embarrassed to speak of it any further. I come from a family of a father & 2 siblings who are professors & being often in the company of academics I can say they do get a laugh out of people who belive in it. B.T.W. No they are not short: Dad 6' , brother 5'10, sister 5'6".
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 108
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Posted: 1/31/2010 12:32:38 PM

I come from a family of a father & 2 siblings who are professors & being often in the company of academics I can say they do get a laugh out of people who belive in it.

Just because you think you are the only person that has formal education here, doesn't make it fact. Likewise, just because you have academics in your family tree, doesn't make you unique. I think that's status-quo. At least in my family, friends, loved ones and even acquaintances ~~ it's our norm. And sorry to be the Bad News Fairy, yet again, but the only academics that I know in a psychological or sociological field that would "laugh at" others thoughts, theories, beliefs, or even ideologies are those who are too small minded to know enough to listen rather than judge (SNOBS for the lack of a better term.) Generally, truly intelligent people (regardless of formal educational endeavors) are very well aware that: The more they learn, the less they know. Maybe your peeps don't subscribe to that, however. On that note? I'm bored with this silliness and it's become more and more obvious that you and Taz are an army of two. You both really should log out, go find a couple of 6' beauties that don't give a ratz azz how tall you are, buy them a couple of drinks, have dinner and live a little. But that's just my opinion. Oh, and this:


B.T.W. No they are not short: Dad 6' , brother 5'10, sister 5'6".

LMFAO ~ what on earth does that have to do with anything? Whatever, it was worth a snorting giggle for me. Thanks for that!
 Taztiger72
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Posted: 2/1/2010 1:01:32 PM

you know if short people quit dating, quit breeding, eventually the gene would die out. cheer up, by the time you get reincarnated, you could come back taller.

eventually that short gene works out the Punnet squares ;)


You know that ain't true - all men & women carry genes to produce smaller children if they have ancestors who lived in towns. Plus there is only so Tall the human race can be before it's a burden - the tallest people in the world live shorter, eat more food, and are not healthy at all.

I do have to say the size range for men from 5'4" to 5'11" has been around for thousands of years and are more suited for change and highly adaptable - Taller Men over 6'0" are at a disadvantage on so many levels and they know it too! You know if there is a famine they are the very first to go - ha ha!
 Hopefull1964
Joined: 4/8/2009
Msg: 111
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Posted: 2/1/2010 2:18:04 PM
Hey Taz. , just another interesting tid bit. For a couple of decades Nasa & the space shuttle/ space station programme has been restling with the problems of muscle & bone loss in humans under prolonged weighless. I won't go into all the spin-off health issues to heart, immunity system ect. Suffice that a planned 3 year trip to Mars is not possible at this time for 1 major stumbling block. The amout of muscle & bone loss over 3 years will be catastrofic to re-entry into our gravity. We cannot maintain a weighless condition & gradual increase for astronauts who come back 3 years later. THE VERY INTERESTING FACT: Those who are 5'8"+ exponentially lose muscle& bone mass. Those that are very small 4'11"- 5'1" esp. petite women have a much lesser loss of bone & muscle. They are trying to study & find why such a big negative effect on larger people. Also they seem to not have much method of counter acting it. They do exercise in space but it only helps a bit. Some researchers feel that future astronaughts may just have to be under 5'8' for long term space travel. 100+ years from now, short people may be the in group .... the new male stars. JUST another interesting thing but a little out there. I found it interesting & maybe NOT co-incidental that " the greys" .... alien visitors claimed to visit earth are consistantly described as 4'6". Long distance space travelors with optamized bodies for prolonged space travel???????? [[[ ]]]] <<< I am being abducted!!!
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 112
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Posted: 2/1/2010 3:17:49 PM
I really don't understand the emotion that goes into this issue or how many people feel the need to bash others over it.

Everyone has different preferences. Who cares?

My height has never been an issue for me. Then again, I'm not 5'3" nor do I have a slim build. I am massive... and have really wide shoulders so I still outweigh women who are around 5'3" by about 100 lbs.

Plus, when you're a combat vet, carry a Glock everywhere, and have taken martial arts for 14 years... women generally tend to feels safe and protected around you.

Perhaps the reason my height has never been an issue in my dating life is because it's not an issue to me. I'm the tallest man I've ever met.

::shrug::

-8sf8
 ColonelIngus
Joined: 9/16/2007
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Posted: 2/2/2010 8:06:14 AM

I really don't understand the emotion that goes into this issue or how many people feel the need to bash others over it.

Everyone has different preferences.

Here's your answer:


tallness is not an issue with me unless of course you are shorter

It's like how "money doesn't matter -- so long as he doesn't make less than me".
Or "size doesn't matter", but no woman wants a guy with a short d1ck.

Again, they aren't "preferences" because they go in only one direction. They are threshold requirements. There are no women who want someone shorter. Throw in the additional high heel thing and it becomes a major deal. Because while one can make a case for money or endowment making a tangible difference in how things go, the height requirement seems irrelevant to anything that really matters.


Who cares?

Obviously shorter guys (and scientists who study mate selection)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRCQJO77U3I

Not to mention that there are bigger issues, like how since women got the vote the taller candidate has won every time (with the exception of Bush the 2nd's two elections, which we know were stolen). So there is a sense in which everyone should care because there are very real consequences for all of us. Shedding light on the situation can only be a Good Thing.
 Taztiger72
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Posted: 2/2/2010 12:59:40 PM
Ever hear of the Big Man's Complex or Reverse Napoleon Complex

There are a lot of Tall Men who think they are superior and should have everything given to them - I don't get everything I want and why should you just because of your height!
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
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Posted: 2/3/2010 10:10:49 AM

It's like how "money doesn't matter -- so long as he doesn't make less than me".
Or "size doesn't matter", but no woman wants a guy with a short d1ck.

Again, they aren't "preferences" because they go in only one direction. They are threshold requirements. There are no women who want someone shorter. Throw in the additional high heel thing and it becomes a major deal. Because while one can make a case for money or endowment making a tangible difference in how things go, the height requirement seems irrelevant to anything that really matters.


This smacks of some serious bitterness, my friend. And you're also full of it.

I see women all the time who are with shorter guys. When I was 21 years old at 5'7", I dated miss teen NC, and yes, she liked to wear heels. She was 5'8" without the heels.

Height is just another excuse people make to justify not attracting others. Yes, it can be an issue, but if you have enough dating collateral it won't matter. Just like despite me wanting a career woman, if she is hot and smart enough, I'd date a McDonalds worker.

I'm 5'7". I have NEVER seen my height as a liability. I'm insanely strong for a human - like an ant. I'm the perfet height to get inside most men's guards and break them in half. I'm just the right height to be taller than my favorite ladies (5'-5'5") and easily kissable.

I like myself.

Perhaps the biggest difference between me and you, and our attitudes on this is simply that I like who I am, and would honestly not change anything if I could.

-8sf8
 chuckyB51
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Posted: 2/3/2010 10:10:16 PM
Most women’s femininity is not internal but external. Women receive their femininity from outward forces. This is why they have the need for a taller man. If she can’t wear heals she doesn’t feel feminine. If he doesn’t make her feel small and feminine she doesn’t feel feminine. It is sad to see that a woman needs to receive her femininity from outward forces and can’t feel like a woman and be proud of it just because she is. Much of a woman’s self worth and femininity is based on the man on her arm. Women always need reinforcement to feel feminine and this comes from men. We can see this in some of the previous posts.
 Taztiger72
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Posted: 2/4/2010 12:01:38 AM

P.S. even one or a handful of female posters does not "most" women make.


Look, I think you have a point - and I never said all women - just the vast majority - and I don't think your height issue is in question.

The question should be why do extremely short WOMEN who are lets say 4'6" to 5'2" refuse to date men who are 2-3" inches taller than themselves and jump to 5'10" or taller????

All I want on here is some sort of help because if you ask a woman about what their Height Range is 1. They think you are automatically having a problem with your height - in reality you are not in their range most likely and 2. It is a big waste of time to talk to someone who is looking for a man who is 5'8" or taller when you are 5'4"! 3. Only Shorter Men have to question whether or not a woman who is 2-3 inches shorter maybe even in high heels has a Height Issue.

Personally, like I have said before I'd rather not be with someone so superficial that they judge me on my height, or any other superficial reason.

And also I can't defend other men who do "WHINE" on here and don't even attempt to even have a conversation with women - maybe they think they are too good to? Fine with me - less competition for me.

And for the Tall Men who think they have it made - get over it man you are no better or superior to any other man just because you are Taller - you have a complex if you think that.
 chuckyB51
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Posted: 2/4/2010 12:30:58 AM
^^^^^^^^
This woman just proves my point in msg. 353. Because of her weight she uses tall men to make herself feel feminine.

Her dwarf comment also exemplifies what most shorter than average men deal with. The guy probably wasn't even short.
 Taztiger72
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Posted: 2/4/2010 12:03:30 PM
For her, it was as if the main criteria they had was finding a woman shorter than them, and that they could have cared less about who she was as a person (really smart, funny, kind, passionate about music). We are the same general physical "type," (people thought we were sisters) only I'm about 5" taller - we talked about how I wasn't having this problem. For years, I saw her date and have boyfriends in the 5'4" and under range, and these individuals were pricks. Every single one of them - she had very bad luck in that regard. Average and tall guys were fine.


Oh, so you regard all small men as Pricks! Huh! and Very Tall men over 6'0" Aren't?

More like your friend is full of it - Tall Men go after short women because they can deal with a woman in their face - all they have to do is pick up a short woman and throw her.

Personality wise - Pricks come in all Heights and Good Men come in all Heights - you are a Heightist and so is your friend. She obviously thinks men who are under 6'0" Tall are midgets and not worthy for her and she decided to feel like daddy's little girl when she was 8 years old than be equal with a man in her height range, but she had to be a full 12" shorter than her MAN - Heightist - you base a man totally 100% on height!

 Hopefull1964
Joined: 4/8/2009
Msg: 120
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Posted: 2/4/2010 1:07:43 PM
I know a few girls who hate being short because they DO NOT want to attract the short guys. FOR NO OTHER REASON than they are not attracted to short guys. ARE very negative about them & quite prejudice. TO the lady who thought the short guys wanted her JUST because she was short, shows her negative attitude towards short guys .... BECAUSE, ... for all she knows the average/ tall guys could be DOING THE SAME THING !!! Ie. Selecting her because she is short. SO WHAT !!! That just breaks the ice , sort of speak. Does not mean that was the only thing to start the attraction & it certainly won't sustain any attraction.
 browneyesboo
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Msg: 121
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Posted: 2/4/2010 1:12:40 PM
I guess I'm sort of lucky. I'm just under 5'4 so most guys are at least
my height or taller. My ex is 5'5...never thought he had an issue with
his height and I know I didn't.
Come to think of it...not sure I've ever gone out with someone that was
a whole bunch taller than me.
I see short people!
 Taztiger72
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Posted: 2/4/2010 1:20:08 PM
I guess I'm sort of lucky. I'm just under 5'4 so most guys are at least
my height or taller. My ex is 5'5...never thought he had an issue with
his height and I know I didn't.


Not according to the Press and the Women on these sites - they consider you either "stupid", "desperate" or you just didn't tell your friends first so they could do an intervention to get you a much Taller Man. Don't you know that men over 6'0" tall are the most desirable, most loving, most supportive, have the most money, can protect you, and most suited to procreate - whilst Short men are all Crazy, have health issues and are basically trash! And you see you aren't with a 5'5" man anymore - they are unreliable!

If you want to be part of the in-crowd - the women on here can suggest since you are 5'4" get yourself a pair of 6"+ High Heels and get into the ring to get yourself a "REAL MAN" because No man is under 6'0"!
 8soldierfalcon8
Joined: 2/16/2009
Msg: 123
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Posted: 2/4/2010 1:37:18 PM
^^^ You know you make yourself look really pathetic and ball-less when you whine this much, right?

I'm 5'7". I dated a model in Charlotte who was half an inch shy of 6' tall.

Height is like anything else - it can be an issue. But the more other things you have going for you, the less of an issue it is.

All men at some point have issues with dating. Methinks you should quit ragging like a woman, get off the computer, and make some money or work on your attitude.

Sitting around b*tching about how women should date based on their height is JUST as ridiculous as people saying that women should date based on their race.

And you're really not helping the stereotype about angry and insecure short men.

So quit turning yourself into a stepping stool and grow a spine.

Thank you.

-8sf8
 Hopefull1964
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Msg: 124
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Posted: 2/4/2010 4:15:57 PM
There is a prejudice towards short men thus: in numerous threads you will hear how some woman " gave short guys a try" & due to bad experiences will not date short guys .. BUT you NEVER hear that due to bad experiences from dating a few tall guys, they will no longer date tall guys. The bad experiences are NEVER attributed to tallness but almost always attributed to shortness. ONCE AGAIN a negative attitude. AS IF shortness is attributed to poor personality traits. WELL I have met a few TALL bullies & woman abusers. But never will women attribute the abusivness to the man's tallness. BUT a short abusive man IS abusive because he is short. WHY else would he be abusive but for the fact that he is insecure & angry for being short. WELL GUESS WHAT????; maybe he does not care that he is short. AND maybe an abusive tall man is abusive BECAUSE he is tall & thinks he should be the master & BIG GUY that everyone sucomes to his demands. Hmmm .... maybe we should hear more women say they are going to not date tall men anymore because of the big bullying & big egos of many tall men!!! Ya' when hell freezes over.
 chuckyB51
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Posted: 2/4/2010 9:01:17 PM
If a woman has just one bad experience dating a shorter than average man she clumps them all into one category of all being the same and bad. But if she has a bad experience with a taller than average man she doesn’t do this. Why the double standard?
 ColonelIngus
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Posted: 2/4/2010 9:09:54 PM

(Msg 352) This smacks of some serious bitterness, my friend. And you're also full of it.

I assure you I'm simply stating the facts, which nothing you say does anything to refute. You're reading any "bitterness" on my part into it.


I see women all the time who are with shorter guys.

Proves nothing. Sure, women will go on dates with guys shorter than them. Women will go on dates with lots of guys they have no real interest in because it's a low-risk proposition for them, as he's shouldering most or all the costs.

But, to repeat, in fewer than 1 per cent of marriages is a woman taller than her husband, so those dates are going nowhere.

One could even say the woman dating a guy shorter than her is just using him, for the time being.


I'm 5'7". I have NEVER seen my height as a liability.

5'7" isn't short. It's average, more or less, the median height for men in the US being 5' 8½". 72% of women are between your height and six inches shorter. You'd need to be several inches or more shorter to be short.


I like myself.

Perhaps the biggest difference between me and you, and our attitudes on this is simply that I like who I am

Oh dear, you really have to stop projecting BS onto me.


if you have enough dating collateral it won't matter.

I suppose that thinking is the origin of the phrase "A man looks taller when standing on his money"...

P.S. - there's a whole thread on tall men cheating more: forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts1100539.aspx
 8soldierfalcon8
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Posted: 2/4/2010 11:17:02 PM
I give up on this.

People who take no responsiblity for their own lives, and project all their unhappiness on the actions of others cannot be reasoned with.

El fin.

-8sf8
 Hopefull1964
Joined: 4/8/2009
Msg: 128
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Posted: 2/5/2010 7:12:05 AM
^^^^ , Just read thread 370 & 372 . clearly the poster has very negative attitudes to short men. The thread addresses short men so OBVIOUSLY they & NOT tall men will be responding to it. Anyone who does not have their head stuck in the sand will know there is a wildly crazy idolization of tall men going on in our culture & a correlary VERY negative image of short men being projected. Studies have shown this negative image is NOT justified & is pure prejudice. back in history nothing would have changed until the African Americans spoke up & faught back. OH , & they were futher ridiculed for whinning , complaining ..... & a whole lot of other critizisms hurrled at them. The parrellels are SO identicle.
 chuckyB51
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Posted: 2/5/2010 10:13:53 PM
This subject and forum shows a big difference between men and women.

A man will say, “I prefer blonds, but I will also date brunettes.”

A woman will say, “I prefer tall men, and I will only date a tall man.”

A man will say, “I prefer a woman who is in shape, but I will also date a woman with some extra weight.”

A woman will say, “I prefer a man that I can look up to, and I will only date a man who is 6” or more taller than me.”

A man will say, "I prefer a woman with big breasts, but I will also date a woman with small breasts."

A woman will say, "I prefer a man over 5' 10" (6' in most cases these days), and I will only date a men over 5'10""

It is easy to see from these forums that men have preferences and women have requirements. Maybe this is why dating expert Steve Penner has publically said that women have become the more superficial of the sexes.
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