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 Vancer
Joined: 10/29/2006
Msg: 99
Your thoughts on the Church of ScientologyPage 2 of 6    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
Apparently it costs roughtly $20,000 US to reach OTIII, and start hearing about this Lord Xenu and his hydrogen bombs.

I like this video too.
http://www.xenutv.com/
 whitegold765
Joined: 12/26/2007
Msg: 101
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 5/26/2008 12:55:26 AM
People keep saying "it works" and "it's powerful" but as best I can see it's complete nonsense.

I mean... the whole "thetans" thing makes no sense on its own, and how can you not ask or want to know what engrams are? The science behind it is so shonky until "explained" by the full Xenu story.

I have actually been to a scientology office once. They were doing IQ and personality tests. They're actually pretty good at that stuff. Their tests revealed that I'm highly intelligent, and with a great deal of unfulfilled potential.

lol, I could have told them that.
 Opusvoid
Joined: 5/10/2008
Msg: 102
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Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 5/26/2008 2:09:11 PM
Lots of negativity about Scientology. I wonder why?

I don't see a problem with it. It seems rather interesting really, but I guess the old saying is true "People fear and hate what they don't understand". I personally view every religion or spiritual belief system as a cult. Pretty much ever group you can join is a cult by definition of what "Cult" is in the dictionary.

Well, I guess no matter what it is...someone will hate it. I think most people have just come to their own illogical conclusions on subjects like this one. To many preconceived ideas for my liking.
 themadfiddler
Joined: 10/16/2006
Msg: 107
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 6/3/2008 1:26:39 AM

Rockondon,

I'm glad you have cleared this up for me. I also read somewhere that Hubbard had a background with Crowley and the OTO and was part of WWII Naval Intelligence gathering, which would most likely mean that he was an officer trained in brainwashing techniques and interrogation.

I worked with a couple of Scientology love-slaves years ago. 15 years ago they were paid $100 a week for their labor and had to hustle money from elsewhere to pay their bills. Of course, these parties where women. Suckers.

It all such bullshit--really. Think for yourselves for god sake. Ditto for other "brain washing religions"--and you know WHO YOU ALL ARE.

Money, power & real estate. That deal was established a long time ago.

A note to the head Scientologist: EAT ME!!!

Why is it the majority of the human race is just part of the HERD SYNDROME ANYWAY??????


If you go to www.xenu.net you can read the "unofficial" biography of L. Ron Hubbard. See the link for the "Bare-Faced Messiah." It is more than a bit of an embarrassment to the modern "church" of $cientology because it basically shows their "official" biography to be a thin tissue of lies.

His official Navy bio is nothing like what they portray on the $cientology web site. In fact such quotes as "a danger to himself, his ship and his crew" feature in his superior officer's reports about him. He was never in Naval Intelligence in any way.

He had no official association with Crowley or the OTO of any kind. He was a friend of sorts to Jack Parsons who was a correspondance student of sorts with Crowley and an American follower of the OTO's teachings. Much can be read of Parsons life and legend in a variety of books. The bottom line on Hubbard's relationship to Parsons is that he knew him and may have obtained a few occult techniques from him he primarily obtained Parson's money and his fiance and then left Parsons high and dry.

The majority of the teachings of this religion are cobbled together from 50's pop psychology and "feel good books", a bit of neurolinguistic programming, a bit of western and eastern occultism ULTRA-light (minus most of the insight, hard work and real development and important symbolic restructuring), a tad of self-hypnosis, and a whole lot of pseudo-scientific bullcrap interlaced with Hubbard's C-grade sci-fi as the root of the "church's" mythology. The modern "church" tends to lean away from the mythos as it tends to attract too much negative press...especially the huge five-figure sum that has to be paid to learn this "ultimate secret of reality" that is such obvious poppycock it makes Zechariah Sitchin and David Icke look like hard-science.

Of course don't take my word for it, this is based on my opinion and personal research into this ...ahem...cult. Feel free to look it up yourself. Start with the xenu.net site however. $cientology has tried everything under the sun short of physical assassination (so far) including character assassination and harassment of the site owner to have it removed from the net...they call it "fair game" after Hubbard's own personal philosophy of eliminating any critic. It is a philosophy they practice on any critic to this day but disavow any existence of.

Hah.

As to $cientology "ethics" the wiki stub has a handy breakdown:



According to the Church of Scientology, "Ethics may be defined as the actions an individual takes on himself to ensure his continued survival across the dynamics. It is a personal thing. When one is ethical, it is something he does himself by his own choice." [1]

According to founder L. Ron Hubbard's teachings, Scientology ethics is predicated on the idea that there are degrees of ethical conduct. [2]

[edit] Good and Evil
The Church's official position declares: "The logic of Scientology ethics is inarguable and based upon two key concepts: good and evil", and goes on to state that "nothing is completely good, and to build anew often requires a degree of destruction" and "to appreciate what Scientology ethics is all about, it must be understood that good can be considered to be a constructive survival action". [3]


[edit] Statistics
In order to make these ethical decisions that affect others around them, Scientologists are expected to use statistical measurement to assess the "measurement of survival potential". Their official website states "with an understanding of how to compile, graph and compare statistics, the Scientologist is amply equipped to determine exactly what condition an activity is in, and thus exactly what steps he must take in order to better that condition." [4]

Hubbard stated that all Scientology organizations need to keep their statistics of production up, and that Ethics action must be brought against the staff member responsible for the particular statistic should it be continually down.

"Example: a typist gets out 500 letters in one week. That's a statistic. If the next week the typist gets out 600 letters that's an UP statistic. If the typist gets out 300 letters that's a DOWN statistic.... the purpose is to keep production (statistics) up." - L. Ron Hubbard, HCOPL 1 Sep 1965

According to The Scientology Handbook, the Scientology method of statistics can, and should, be applied to individuals, groups, organizations, and any production activities inside and outside Scientology. Hubbard prescribes a very specific method of plotting statistics on graphs, and then for analysis of these graphs in terms of five levels of "Ethics Conditions". These conditions are:

Non-existence condition: line on graph steeply or vertically down.
Danger condition: line on graph diagonally down.
Emergency condition: line on graph remains level, or slightly down.
Normal condition: line on graph slightly up.
Affluence condition: line on graph steeply up. [5]

[edit] Ethics protection
In 1965, Hubbard issued the policy letter HCOPL 1 Sep 1965 (reissued 5 Oct 1985) entitled "Ethics Protection". In it, he states that "Ethics actions are often used to handle down individual statistics. A person who is not doing his job becomes an Ethics target" and goes on to detail how a Scientologist can protect himself from Ethics punishment by being more productive and keeping statistics up:

"In short, a staff member can get away with murder so long as his statistic is up and can't sneeze without a chop if it's down."

If the staff member's production is sufficiently high (as evidenced by an up statistic), the Scientologist gains an immunity to the Ethics process, even if they have openly committed violations:

"When people do start reporting a staff member with a high statistic, what you investigate is the person who turned in the report. In an ancient army a particularly brave deed was recognized by an award of the title of Kha-Khan. It was not a rank. The person remained what he was, BUT he was entitled to be forgiven the death penalty ten times in case in the future he did anything wrong. That was a Kha-Khan. That's what producing, high-statistic staff members are - Kha-Khans. They can get away with murder without a blink from Ethics.... And Ethics must recognize a Kha-Khan when it sees one - and tear up the bad report chits on the person with a yawn." [6]


[edit] Punishment
Main article: Scientology Justice
If statistics are not brought up to a sufficient level of production, one can be declared a PTS (Potential Trouble Source), a Suppressive Person, and ultimately disconnected[citation needed]. Researcher Jon Atack has expressed concern that, in the wrong hands, Scientology ethics can be wielded arbitrarily and absurdly, such as in the 1960s when British Saint Hill Scientologists declared a local pie shop "Suppressive" for not carrying apple pie in sufficient quantities to their liking. [7]


[edit] Critical analysis
Professor Stephen A. Kent quotes Hubbard as pronouncing that "the purpose of ethics is to remove counter intentions from the environment. And having accomplished that the purpose becomes to remove other intentionedness from the environment" and "[a]ll ethics is for in actual fact is simply that additional tool necessary to make it possible to get [Scientology] technology in. That's the whole purpose of ethics; to get technology in".

What this translates to, says Kent, is "a peculiar brand of morality that uniquely benefitted [the Church of Scientology] ... In plain English, the purpose of Scientology ethics is to eliminate opponents, then eliminate people's interests in things other than Scientology. In this 'ethical' environment, Scientology would be able to impose its courses, philosophy, and 'justice system' — its so-called technology — onto society."[8]


[edit] Notes
^ Scientology: Bettering Life with Scientology Ethics
^ Scientology: Bettering Life with Scientology Ethics
^ Scientology: Bettering Life with Scientology Ethics
^ Scientology: Bettering Life with Scientology Ethics
^ Hubbard, The Scientology Handbook, 1994 hardcover edition, pg.367
^ Hubbard Communications Office, HCOPL 1 Sep 1965, "Ethics Protection".
^ Atack, Jon, "A Piece of Blue Sky", Chapter 2.
^ Stephen A. Kent (September 2003). "Scientology and the European Human Rights Debate: A Reply to Leisa Goodman, J. Gordon Melton, and the European Rehabilitation Project Force Study". Marburg Journal of Religion 8 (1). Retrieved on 2006-05-21.


Childishly simplistic at the best and at the worst...as the one critic described "arbitrary and absurd." the kind of ethics that a chronic con-artist and self-absorbed man such as Hubbard would conceive of. Given this man's personal history, I find it hard to believe he would have the best interests of his fellow man at heart.

And, to wit, if the founder of a faith is to have some impact on his message and to be held account for his message in any degree, I would say that no matter how beneficial some might imagine $cientology to be (though I can't imagine why) I am afraid Hubbard falls somewhat short of the mark of any founder I can think of off hand...even the most human and fallible such as Crowley is more admirable in the end, having fallen the furthest but having a message that in the end exalts and challenges one to personal responsibility of an ultimate nature in the Book of The Law, something free to study...well from a financial point of view.
 Jonny2Hands
Joined: 12/20/2007
Msg: 110
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 7/15/2008 10:47:54 PM
Scientology is not a religion. It follows most of the criteria of a cult. They encourage members to recruit their friends and family, and encourage them to cut ties with non-members. They apply brainwashing techniques. Unlike most religions, they're not up front with all the beliefs but rather gradually reveal new beliefs in stages to lure you in deeper. They demand outrageous and unreasonable financial investments for their product and as the following former members attest to, never deliver.

Almost everything you need to know about it you can learn from its former members who have escaped and have since made the "chruch's" abuses public.

TORY CHRISTMAN - Member of $cientology for 30 years. Escaped in 2000. She ranked OT Level VII. Was John Travolta's auditor. Worked for their Office of Special Affairs to discredit their critics.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ToryMagoo44

Watch the series of videos that begin with this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV3yYS4QNMM

MARK BUNKER - former member and leading critic of the church
http://www.youtube.com/user/xenutv1

JASON BEGHE - Actor Jason Beghe is the first celebrity Scientologist to sit down and publicly talk about his experiences after leaving the group.
Watch the video series that begins with this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrrdCS26uzA

JENNA MISCAVIGE HILL - Niece of $cientology's leader David Miscavige has joined other kids who were born into the cult and escaped to create this informative website that describes their experiences as virtual child slaves in the cult's Sea Organization: http://www.exscientologykids.com/

Expose from Radar Magazine on the cult:
http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2008/03/scientology_anonymous_protests_tom_cruise_01.php

Other important resources:
www.rickross.com (Rick Ross is perhaps the leading cult de-programmer in the U.S. though this site seems to be currently not working. Check back soon.)
http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-06-24/news/Scientologys-Crushing-Defeat/
http://www.xenu.net/
http://lisatrust.bogie.nl/
http://www.scientology-lies.com/whatswrong.html
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/

Do NOT visit the Cult Awareness Network's page. $cientology actually bought them out and have been using it as their own propaganda source.
 rebel777
Joined: 3/22/2007
Msg: 111
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 7/15/2008 11:51:25 PM
my thoughts....sounds like a very bad dumbass movie...
 Jonny2Hands
Joined: 12/20/2007
Msg: 112
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 7/25/2008 10:41:40 PM
Yeah, it was called Battlefield Earth. And it was indeed a very bad dumbass movie.
 Xavery
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 115
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 1/3/2009 8:12:10 PM
I hope it is exposed for what it is which is simply dreadful and very dangerous. If we to do what the advocate and take all the schizophrenics of their medication, the world would become a very dangerous place.

Sadly, John Travoltas and Kelly Prestons son died yesterday. I cannot help but wonder if Scientology played a role in his death.
 VVendy
Joined: 6/7/2008
Msg: 116
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 1/4/2009 3:26:30 PM
I think it is Sci Fi mockup of the religons of the world. Think Star trek:deep space nine.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 117
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 1/7/2009 10:46:05 AM


Scientology is not a religion. It follows most of the criteria of a cult. They encourage members to recruit their friends and family, and encourage them to cut ties with non-members. They apply brainwashing techniques. Unlike most religions, they're not up front with all the beliefs but rather gradually reveal new beliefs in stages to lure you in deeper. They demand outrageous and unreasonable financial investments for their product and as the following former members attest to, never deliver.


This sounds like every other religion out there.
 freetime2bme
Joined: 1/16/2006
Msg: 120
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History
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 2/24/2009 12:17:43 PM
South Park has done a few shows on it and they show it for what it is a joke, but it is no more a joke then every religon out there, because there is no god(s).
 lill_miss_me
Joined: 9/13/2009
Msg: 123
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 11/29/2009 1:39:04 PM

Am I the only person on this site who has read and getrs Dianetics?? Hard to believe.


No, your not the only one grzzzlybear, Ive used it and it does work.

For those that have condemned it above, why not actually find out the answers for your self first. If you wanted to find out about Islam, you'd read the Koran, or for Christianity, you'd read the bible, right? Same goes for Scientology.

www.Scientology.org
 MissRuby67
Joined: 11/29/2009
Msg: 124
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 1/19/2010 8:11:16 PM
DX
Thanks for the post...
One thing I would like to add is the very real practice of the "fair game law". This organization does in fact ruin lives. My marriage fell victim and I am now in the battle of my life to prevent my children going down the same path as their father.
Anyone with questions should checkout www.fairgamed.org well worth the read.
Thanks again.
 themadfiddler
Joined: 12/9/2009
Msg: 125
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 1/19/2010 8:40:40 PM
Thanks for posting this missruby67, it takes courage in the face of the self-imposed ignorance of others who, in light of the available information choose to only see this dangerous criminal cult as just another benign but beknighted religion or spiritual path.

http://www.xenu.net/

Operation Clambake - Undressing the Church of $cientology since 1996 (despite their many failed attempts including every fair game trick in the book to shut down the site and do all but outright murder the site owner...but character assassination was welll and good)

Comes complete with the Carl Sagan Baloney Detector...my fave :)
http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html
 sarniafairyboy
Joined: 6/19/2010
Msg: 126
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 7/8/2010 3:06:27 PM

I think its a money laundering scam for rich people. The rich people that go there launder their money with them


you were speaking of the catholic church? or..?
 sarniafairyboy
Joined: 6/19/2010
Msg: 127
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 7/11/2010 12:53:43 PM
'Christianity' itself was originally a fringe, splinter cult -breakaway Jews who started following this weird guy who was supposed to be a carpenter helping his father but instead decided to be unemployed, not gainfully employed and living off the benevolence of his followers- he started wandering around with a group of like hippies, (Called his 'disciples').

originality Xtianity was a small, fringe , splinter cult group but by now has grown to be larger than it's 'father' cult -Judaism.
 themadfiddler
Joined: 12/9/2009
Msg: 128
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 7/11/2010 1:06:19 PM
Indeed...originally Judaism was a splinter cult of Phoenician religion. The only reason we know about it is the resilience of its worship and adaptability and evolution over time to meet the needs of its followers and survive despite having to submerge in other societies while retaining its own identity
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 129
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 12/9/2010 1:10:08 PM
Xenu told me Scientology is a sacm.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 130
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 12/12/2010 10:37:44 PM
Oops.

In my original post, sacm is supposed to be scam .
 arwen52
Joined: 3/13/2008
Msg: 131
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Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 2/16/2011 8:30:18 AM
There's a great article in the current issue of The New Yorker - very long but well written. Nothing new but some very good details. Describes what happens to member who express doubt, beatings, people kept in confinement, etc., from a number of people who either experienced it personally or witnessed it. The "Church," of course, denies all of it.

"The Apostate
Paul Haggis vs. The Church of Scientology"

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright?currentPage=all
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 132
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Posted: 3/8/2011 6:45:14 AM
^^^^ That was a very interesting read.

I read alot of science fiction and fantasy. I really enjoyed Hubbard's "Mission Earth" series and "Battlefield Earth". When I first heard of Scientology, it struck me as extremely funny that it was founded by a science fiction writer. And people took him seriously??

I understand that some of his concepts are reasonable good. But beyond that, I think it's a bad joke.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 133
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 3/8/2011 2:18:04 PM
...Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology...

They are no different that any other religious group.

Their story is just newer and no more believable than any religious mumbo jumbo.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 134
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 1/1/2012 2:51:33 PM
Scientology Rocked By Allegations of Greed in E-mail to 12,000 Church Members
By Tony Ortega Sun., Jan. 1 2012 at 11:43 AM

Very shortly after midnight last night, after the ball had dropped in Times Square to welcome in 2012, we started to receive fevered e-mails from several of our Scientology-watching sources.

The first big breaking story of 2012 had happened only 36 minutes into the new year.

A woman named Debbie Cook dropped something of an atom bomb on the membership of the Church of Scientology last night, and as of this minute -- about noon on New Year's Day -- her Facebook page is still going a bit crazy as her fellow church members deal with the fallout.

Cook was once a very high ranking executive in Scientology's Sea Org. She led the Flag Service Organization in Clearwater, Florida, which made her one of the most important executives at the spiritual headquarters of the worldwide organization. Several years ago, she left that position and the Sea Org, but she is still a member of the church in good standing.

That will probably change after the e-mail she sent out, reportedly to 12,000 members of her religion, which condemns church leader David Miscavige for turning Scientology into little more than a money-hungry fundraising machine...

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/01/debbie_cook_scientology_rocked_by_allegations_of_greed.php
 Ravenstar66
Joined: 8/27/2007
Msg: 135
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Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 1/8/2012 7:21:23 AM
"Indeed...originally Judaism was a splinter cult of Phoenician religion. The only reason we know about it is the resilience of its worship and adaptability and evolution over time to meet the needs of its followers and survive despite having to submerge in other societies while retaining its own identity"
- Madfiddler

I thought Judaism was an offshoot of Canaanite Mountain/Storm God religion (El), with Mesopotamian influences and later, Egyptian mystery school influences. (Abraham [Abram] came from Ur, did he not?)

Phoenician?

Sorry for being off topic.

Any 'religion' which requires large sums of cash to advance 'spiritually' is a load of crap.

Did you know there is a Nigerian Prince who needs to launder money through my account? He emails me at least once a month, poor guy. All I have to do is send my personal financial information!
 veevee
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 136
Your thoughts on the Church of Scientology
Posted: 1/16/2012 1:52:20 PM
It's been said that Scientology was a joke by Hubbard in a bar.
He stated that he could create a slew of worshippers and his buddies said he couldn't.
Isaac Asimov is rumored to have talked about it happening too. Apparently it wasn't the first time Hubbard talked on the subject. I've never looked for the magazine myself to know if it was indeed satire. What makes it somewhat believable (the story that he intended to make money from it) is that he mentioned it to so many people that were his friends and outed him but not publicly as much as to others of the same group.



Was Ellison really there when L. Ron Hubbard invented Scientology?
Excerpted from a posting on the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup, 2 May 1995:

The following excerpt was taken from a magazine called "Saturday Evening Wings," which was printed for awhile in the 1970s. "Wings" described itself as "Wings -- The New Age Satire Magazine". The issue this excerpt was taken from was the Nov.-Dec. '78 issue. It is of great interest, because Harlan Ellison, a rather famous science fiction writer, claims to have been present the night L. Ron Hubbard decided to write "Dianetics."

On Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard:

Ellison: Scientology is bullshit! Man, I was there the night L. Ron Hubbard invented it, for Christ Sakes!

I was sitting in a room with L. Ron Hubbard and a bunch of other science fiction writers. L. Ron Hubbard was famous among science fiction writers because he was the first one to have an electric typewriter.

Wings: He claimed to have written "Dianetics" in a weekend, and nobody can deny it.

Ellison: That's true. He wrote "Dianetics" in one weekend, and you know how he used to write? He used to take a roll of white paper, like paper you wrap fish in. He had it on the wall, and he would roll it into the typewriter and he would begin typing. When he was done, he would tear it off and leave it as one whole long novel.

We were sitting around one night. ... who else was there? Alfred Bester, and Cyril Kornbluth, and Lester Del Rey, and Ron Hubbard, who was making a penny a word, and had been for years. And he said "This bullshit's got to stop!" He says, "I gotta get money." He says, "I want to get rich".

Wings: He is also supposed to have said on that same night: "The question is not how to make a million dollars, but how to keep it."

Ellison: Right. And somebody said, "why don't you invent a new religion? They're always big." We were clowning! You know, "Become Elmer Gantry! You'll make a fortune!" He says, "I'm going to do it." Sat down, stole a little bit from Freud, stole a little bit from Jung, a little bit from Alder, a little bit of encounter therapy, pre-Janov Primal Screaming, took all that bullshit, threw it all together, invented a few new words, because he was a science fiction writer, you know, "engrams" and "regression", all that bullshit. And then he conned John Campbell, who was crazy as a thousand battlefields. I mean, he believed any goddamned thing. He really believed blacks were inferior. I mean he really believed that. He was also very nervous when I was in his office because I was a Jew. You know, he was afraid maybe I would spring horns or something.

Anyhow, the way he conned John was that he had J. A. Winter, who was a doctor, who was a close friend of John's, and he got him to run this article on Dianetics, the new science of mental health.

Wings: Dianometry was the first article, I believe.

Ellison: Right. And science fiction fans will go for any goddamm thing. They'll believe anything, man, they will believe in the abominable snowman and the Bermuda Triangle, in Pyramid Power, in EST, in Scientology, in the Second Coming, they'll believe in any goddamm thing, they don't give a shit. They go to see "Star Wars"; they think it is for real!

So science fiction fans picked it up, they began proselytizing, he started making money, when he had made enough money he was able to spread out a little more, then he got more cuckoos, you know, pre-Charlie Manson ***holes that had no place else to go, and he began talking to these loons as if "Dianetics" really meant something. Then he wanted to get tax-exempt status, so he called it "The Church of Scientology".

Now, they've gotten so big that they own property all over the country, and it is impossible to stop it. They infiltrated the FBI, they infiltrated the tax department, ... the funny thing is, Ron Hubbard and I still occasionally communicate with each other. Every once in a while, a couple or three times a year, we exchange letters. And I write to him, you know, and I say, "Hey Ron, when is this bullshit going to cease? These cuckoos are really driving me crazy! They come around the house with pamphlets!" And he writes me back, and he says, "It's the good work, it's the good work."

It's all very funny stuff. He was going to write a new story for me for the last "Dangerous Visions", but I guess he got too busy counting his money. I don't know.
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