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 BigDuck
Joined: 4/14/2006
Msg: 51
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I think it’s a perfect time for a Group Hug…

Then we can follow what the little kids already know and loves;

Raffi

“You've got to shake, shake, shake your sillies out
Shake, shake, shake your sillies out
Shake, shake, shake your sillies out
And wiggle your waggles away…..”
 carp eh diem
Joined: 3/5/2006
Msg: 52
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Posted: 5/9/2006 12:16:31 AM
That's right bigduck. "All for One...and One for All..!!

I believe that by segregating any group or race and allowing them access to certain benefits not accessable to all, or restricting certain benefits that are allowed to everyone else, you create dissention. An example of this is that many Canadians feel a certain animosity towards Quebec. The feeling is that they are being treated as special due to certain benefits not afforded to all Canadians.

One solution may be to not only provide universal and timely access to medical treatment but to also provide a Guaranteed Annual Income that is adequate enough to provide for the basic necessities in life. This income would be available to all that, due to their particular circumstances, earned less than a predetermined income. Eliminate Welfare, EI, Canada Pension, and Old Age Security. The welfare system has become so bizarre that it is basically non-functional anyway and with a GAI in place the System would actually save money by eliminating at least 3 bureaucracies. While we are at it we may as well provide universal access to an education appropriate to every individual.

I suspect that we would see a 90% drop in the crime rate in this country within 5 years...or less.

All for One..and One for All....Count me in!


 Runs With Wolves
Joined: 1/19/2006
Msg: 53
Cultural Diversity
Posted: 5/9/2006 12:23:33 AM
When I say 'yours', that was exactly how I meant it. Our people didnt have a say did they? When I say 'your', its' a projection of how your speaking now. Your opinion is not everyones and niether is mine. But to be heard by you, I need to speak your language to be heard, am I right?

I suggest BC Boy that you look out your back door and as a Canadian and acknowledge the third world (reserves) and dare to question them about the taxes we dont pay if we work on reserves. Please tell me its' important that you get a straight answer to your question.
 Runs With Wolves
Joined: 1/19/2006
Msg: 54
Cultural Diversity
Posted: 5/9/2006 12:33:25 AM

I understand that treaty's or agreements were signed, and those should be honoured.

However it seems that the Government has gone far beyond those agreements in providing

benefits to so-called aboriginal people. The other side of it is that certain so-called

first nations people are demanding far more than the original treaties allowed for.


BC was the only province without treaties. Exception of treaty 8

IF you want to look at $$$$ Start with the revenue in the last decade in this province alone on resources extracted then minus the number of $$$$ to keep the so called aboriginal people quiet.
 bcboy72
Joined: 3/16/2005
Msg: 55
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:11:33 AM
"Yours" "Ours" ...that is unity for you.

I suggest you look out your back door lipstick, realise that you(we) don't live in a third world country, and embrace what we have. We have a great country, but until we can live equally, it will never be right. Where do my taxes go? Your health care, my health care, everyone's health care (health care being an example).....where do yours go? Oh that is right...you don't pay them.

I guess the whole point of the matter here is....why aren't we equal? Everyone started somewhere...Everyone(race/nationality...etc) has been wronged at some time or another...no denying that. We need to wake up and realise we are equals. We need to be able to "flip the bird"(if you know what that is) at whatever we want...eat chicken with ketchup...whatever...
 c note
Joined: 12/24/2005
Msg: 56
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:16:12 AM
My great-grandmother was Metis. I could cash in on that, but I don't. Why? Maybe because she walked out on her family and I never met her. Or maybe it's because I prefer to work for everything I have. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't take everything that's handed to you, but don't complain about it either. Whine all you like, it won't change anything.

Sometimes I enjoy a little pineapple on my chicken.
 HORSELADY3
Joined: 11/15/2005
Msg: 57
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:18:10 AM
I know how to tell people off in many languages! I dont think its a cultural thing to be shoved and smothered! I think its just plain rude no matter what race you are and if yer gonna get in my way, um... well ooops was that your toe?? Oh I am soo sorry....
 c note
Joined: 12/24/2005
Msg: 58
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:26:09 AM
The only time I feel badly about stepping on someone's toe is when I'm visiting the Island of Fantasy.

Herve doesn't really mind though, as he's only yey-high. He can't see past my crotch, so I doubt he even knows it's me.
 BigDuck
Joined: 4/14/2006
Msg: 59
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:28:49 AM
How big is that landing pad anyways?

Look boss the……….......?!
 bcboy72
Joined: 3/16/2005
Msg: 60
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:37:01 AM
You beat me to it duck...2/10 sucks..lol....

Which guy..midget or not...looks past Cnotes crotch?
 carp eh diem
Joined: 3/5/2006
Msg: 61
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:38:54 AM
Generalizing many of us utilize eh' after every sentence that we speak. I had an American Guest at work ask why we Canadians did this and I had to stop and think why we did, when one of my staff members popped up with the most brilliant of answers.

He explained that we do this as it turns a statement into a question and in doing so illicits further conversation, for example: the sky is blue versus the sky is blue eh?


What about "Have a nice day, eh."?

or "God you are beautiful, eh"

I think it may be more about politeness (Those Canadians are so Polite)

You make a bold statement, "You are so stupid" and then bring it into question with an "eh" at the end.

"You are so stupid, eh". A kinder, gentler approach, as it were.
 carp eh diem
Joined: 3/5/2006
Msg: 62
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Posted: 5/9/2006 3:40:40 AM

And what are you doing here: re-writing the Constitution? I dont see that the natives had any problems defending themselves against an "occupying force". If you knew your so called 'world history" you would know that ever since barbarian and hun invasions were put to the boots by mighty Thor that the only alternative to blood sweat and tears is to reach same ends by talking.

You take a box and you put aboriginal rights in it. Land over all the other "continents" has changed hands so many times youre not sure who was here or there first? And yet all those anthropologists and archeologists sitting in bars as we speak saluting Hitler. Amazing.

And if I tell you once I'll tell you again if not a thousand times til Im red and white in the face....land "ownership" is an imported concept. You cant sell me a piece of the sky and tell me its for sale. I know you dont own it.


So I have said land ownership instead of land occupation. Oops.

Who occupied the American Continents before the Europeans arrived? It wasn't one nation, that's for sure. It was a multitude of different nations, cultures, languages and customs. And they occupied territory. And they fought each other over whose right to occupy which territory. They killed each other in order to occupy more territory. Better fishing, better hunting, better climate, whatever the reason, they tried to improve their situation. So don't preach to me over ownership or occupation of land. Your ancestors were all about land occupation.

As for me, my ancestors were forced to flee from several countries and 2 continents by the respective governments in power. They supposedly owned the land but apparently only occupied it and not for long at that. Most who didn't flee, died fighting for their right to own the land. My parents and grandparents were born in Canada. They maintained their culture and language and were also forced from homestead land in Canada that they were told they would own if they cleared the brush and made it productive, which they did. In the end they only occupied it and then it was taken back by the government. The government then sold it to settlers with money who could afford to buy it. Some of my relatives were able to pool their resources and buy some of the land back from the government and are still farming it. You know that bread you ate today, came off their farms.

I don't bemoan the fact that I didn't continue my heritage, language or culture as my parents did. I could still do that if I wished to as I am still alive. My children could also do so if they wished to. We are not whining about the fact that we did not learn our ancestoral language although we may have future regrets about not passing this to our children.

I have grinded my way out of a life in the ghetto of poverty and squallor in order to make a better life for myself and my children. I have worked hard all my life in order to do so. I feel that any success or fortune or possessions I have are because I have earned them by hard work. I have felt that that it is the Canadian way. I have bought and sold land but have only considered myself a custodian of the land that I have occupied and still do. I have taken care of the land that I have occupied and made improvments to it. If I decide to pass the custodial possesion of this land on to someone else, I will take whatever the currency of the land is at the time in an amount that is agreed on and move on. Of course I understand that at any time, the presiding or occupying government could take away my custodial possesion of this land without compensation just as has happened to my ancestors. It is the human way after all as history has proved over and over.

Like I wrote on another thread, it's "What You Do With What You've Got"

So on that note, I will move on to another more important subject.
 Runs With Wolves
Joined: 1/19/2006
Msg: 63
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Posted: 5/9/2006 7:52:28 AM

I suggest you look out your back door lipstick, realize that you(we) don't live in a third world country, and embrace what we have.............Where do my taxes go? Your health care, my health care, everyone's health care (health care being an example).....where do yours go? Oh that is right...you don't pay them..........
And you talk of unity?

You want to talk of unity ok, the resources (revenue) that were extracted from the stolen lands in BC, that is paying for your health care...that is giving you subsidies, that is paying for your free education. (There might be twenty children starting grade one with only two of those twenty graduating and going on to university.) So what’s wrong with this picture? Your sitting there fighting for taxes that 20% of the employed on reserves don’t pay to your govt to keep your health care while people on reserves are turned away at dentist offices all over BC? Do the research on that.

BC Boy, when I made reference to the Third World within a nation, I meant Canada.

C note?
Or maybe it's because I prefer to work for everything I have. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't take everything that's handed to you, but don't complain about it either. Whine all you like, it won't change anything.

Now that’s a stereotype if I ever heard one C Note. Who said we were taking everything that’s handed to us? I believe those are your words. I cant’ speak for your people C Note, I don’t have that right.

Just remember we didnt give up our rights here in BC, thus the treaties that are being negotiated today.
 bcboy72
Joined: 3/16/2005
Msg: 64
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Posted: 5/9/2006 9:00:20 AM
"your people" and "our people", those would be your words Lipstick...and this is exactly what I am talking about...you obviously have no interest in unity.

The last time I checked, everyone that didn't have a dental plan or cash got turned away at the dentists office, no matter the race...so not sure where you are going with that...

Stolen land? Every piece of land on this continent, actually, this earth, was inhabited at some time or another by someone/something else. Darwins "theory of evolution", and "survival of the fittest" come to mind here.

It is all about equality...across the board...man, woman, native, caucasion, chinese, japanese...whatever.....

Does this mean we won't be having dinner together tonight?

2/10...done for a bit.
 BigDuck
Joined: 4/14/2006
Msg: 65
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Posted: 5/9/2006 9:00:52 AM
I think people should lighten up…take a deep breath, and focus on more important things in life…

Like c note’s crotch..!!

“Ok, follow my lead,”

“3, 2, 1………….”
 Draxx
Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 66
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Posted: 5/9/2006 9:29:03 AM

Herve doesn't really mind though, as he's only yey-high. He can't see past my crotch, so I doubt he even knows it's me.


So he would shout "de plain boss, de plain" (a strip of relatively flat and normally dry area alongside a stream, or river, that is covered by water during a flood.)
 Must_Love_Dogz
Joined: 11/8/2005
Msg: 67
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Posted: 5/9/2006 11:12:42 AM
Forgive me if I can't seem to focus on C-Notes crotch.....I'm sure its very lovely however!

Back to diversity-it looks to me like we still have a way to go to be able to truly say we are accepting of all cultures, as I suspected. What does it take? Is it in communication and education? Does fault belong with us (as Canadians) for being close minded, or does fault belong with other cultures not wanting to conform to our way of life? Are we all guilty to some degree?

Dating myself a bit here I remember when Canada became officially bilingual and the street signs had to be altered to reflect French and what a big fuss was made out here in the West.

At work we have a predominantly Asian customer base. Occasionally (not all of the time) we will page out information first in English and then in Cantonese and Mandarin and when we do this, we get complaints from our English speaking Caucasian customers. We do not get compalints when we only page English from the 90% Asian customers.....whats that all about?
Do those that complain look around before they start complaining because it would seem to me that perhaps they should.
 c note
Joined: 12/24/2005
Msg: 68
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:45:00 PM

Now that’s a stereotype if I ever heard one C Note.


You're 100% right...this time. I'm against stereotypes, I apologize. Unfortunately, they will always exist, whether they're thrown in your face or not.

2/10 = 0.02...hmmmm...

This crow needs ketchup.
 Apollo_fallen
Joined: 1/24/2006
Msg: 69
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Posted: 5/9/2006 3:36:22 PM
Many years ago we as native people were set apart in all things, business, education, and rights. We did not make these rules or right. Now that the world can see the genocide (small pox infested blankets), and abuse coming out of residential school, all people say is one right, one people.

The motto for residential schools used to be kill the indian and save the man.

But we define oursevles. We are not indian. That we Columbus' mistake.
We have rights that were granted to us. And we have lawyers nowaday that aim to make sure those rights are inforced. In my tribe we have three lawyers that are members.

So my view to non-natives is mean what you say, say what you mean.

I think the term that the non-natives used to have for those that lied about granting rights to a group of people and then backing out was "Indian giver".

Now I know that us people nowadays had nothing to do with the rights granted so many years ago. none the less, they exist and are part of this political landscape we call north america.
But right now many seem to engage in what I call "rights envy".
respectfully submitted
 spent
Joined: 5/9/2006
Msg: 70
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Posted: 5/9/2006 5:36:07 PM
Canadians see themselves as morally superior to other races and nations. I dont know how we reconcile this with the fact that we so recently wiped out the indians and took their land. I dont see anything wrong with us defeating the natives; might was right in those days and it still is, but it is hard to think of a worse case of genocide. Making an undeserving black person Governer General, i think, is a pretty weak way of demonstrating our moral superiority. Labelling people who support white rights as racists and criminals is bizarre when ordinary Canadians hold much more hardline opinions about foreigners.
 raspberries n cream
Joined: 5/8/2006
Msg: 71
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Posted: 5/9/2006 6:27:29 PM
I gotta laugh at bc boy, you sound like a real riot..

let me add some key breakers here

the benefits indians get for status are next to nothing, even the canadian dental association is fed up with the nonsense of filling out redundant forms and seem to be on the same page as danceseeker at least as far as attitude goes...

basically you get free glasses every two years (if you need them and when and if you do: head for the cheap section i.e. cheepies) and the 'free' dental you get is so stupid its like you get some free check ups and anything else fil out in triplicate wait for an answer get it apporoved pay for it and then the govt reimburses the dentist...its so stupid its like someone planned it diabolically to fail

but now we are a the point where we might get enough to privatize our own health
insurance (not HC service neccessarily) to enjoy the benefits

Ok sio plus you get FREE education, the process for that is youre lucky if you were born post 1980 because theres a line-up and a limited kitty for each band for education allowance and someones gotta get the short end of the stick, right?

So , only natives who live on reserves DONT pay taxes. Guess what> Hardly anyone works on reserves due to unemployment. Around and around we go and where it stops nobody knows.
So why waste five thousand dollars woth of psychic energy on a two cent problem IMHO, they need help. Lets do what we can. Because thats Canadian and now pass me a Budweiser!!
 carp eh diem
Joined: 3/5/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 6:30:45 PM

Back to diversity-it looks to me like we still have a way to go to be able to truly say we are accepting of all cultures, as I suspected. What does it take? Is it in communication and education? Does fault belong with us (as Canadians) for being close minded, or does fault belong with other cultures not wanting to conform to our way of life? Are we all guilty to some degree?


I have read somewhere that it take 4 generations before the hate, anger, resentment, fear, associated with predudices towards a person, group, or culture can be eliminated from the minds of any resulting offspring. As I said in an earlier post, I am a third generation Canadian, and it has been difficult to suppress those latent predudices that I inherited or learned from my predecessors. I have been very careful to not say or do things around my children that might ingraine predudices in them. I have confronted my parents (mostly my Dad) on their outspoken predudices in front of my children in order that they learn that it is not right.

Four years ago, I was shaken to the core when my eldest daughter arrived at her high school graduation dinner with a very adult-looking black escort. He was dressed in a very white suit with an inordinate amount of gold jewellry adorning his fingers, wrists, neck and ears. It took a huge effort to put my predudices aside, shake his hand, offer a pleasant greeting, and initiate a conversation in order to find out who this person behind the "Pimp" outfit really was. It turned out that he was just another of a mixed group of friends that she hung out with in high school. His parents had imigrated to Canada from Jamaica and in their culture, he was as dressed-up as one could possibly be.

It was a defining moment for me as I realized that just maybe, I had not passed on my ancestoral predudices to my offspring.

Thats how it works folks. It takes a conscious effort to stop predudice. Every day. It doesn't just go away.
 raspberries n cream
Joined: 5/8/2006
Msg: 73
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Posted: 5/9/2006 6:31:00 PM
Holy, you think genocide had something to do with pox infested blankets? Welcome to the new century. Welcome to the new century...

Dont hold your breath for the Hollywood version of this to be coming to a theatre any time soon...so far everyone is still busy getting it back

http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org/
 Brad II
Joined: 4/23/2006
Msg: 74
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Posted: 5/9/2006 7:01:24 PM
my problem is this.

if my great grandfather incurred a debt to someone, would the debtor's relatives collect from me? no.

then why is it that after all these years, the First Nations people continue to collect monies from me in the form of special handouts, welfare, and tax exemptions?

the way i see it, if you want the benifits of society, you must also be willing to accept the responsibilities of that society. if one chooses to make their living as a member of society and reap the rewards such as the right to vote, the protections that the law provides, and the socio-economic opportunities that exist within society, one must also take with it the taxes, laws and the other trappings.

if one were to choose to live apart from Canadian society, one should be expected to do so independantly.

...but that's just me...i'm sure there are many other thoughts on this, which is why people are still rehashing this incredibly simple concept.
 carp eh diem
Joined: 3/5/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 7:10:45 PM

the benefits indians get for status are next to nothing, even the canadian dental association is fed up with the nonsense of filling out redundant forms and seem to be on the same page as danceseeker at least as far as attitude goes...


Raspberries, I am not sure what you are meaning by this comment about attitude.

My attitude is that we are all equal. It just seems to me that some people are expressing an opinion that implies that their culture or race is more equal or deserving than others and are requiring some kind of special treatment or benefits.


basically you get free glasses every two years (if you need them and when and if you do: head for the cheap section i.e. cheepies) and the 'free' dental you get is so stupid its like you get some free check ups and anything else fil out in triplicate wait for an answer get it apporoved pay for it and then the govt reimburses the dentist...its so stupid its like someone planned it diabolically to fail


My daughters last pair of eyeglasses cost $400. I was just to the dentist last week and after a cleaning and 3 minor fillings paid $900. These fees are not covered by health care. I would be happy to fill out some forms to regain that $1300.

Maybe you might want to spend more time appreciating what you do have and receive and less time dwelling on some ingrained perception that somehow you or your race or your culture deserve more than others in this country.

There are many issues that need solving in this country. It is time that we put our energies into solutions and stop all the bickering.

Now, would you mind if I have a swig of your Bud?
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