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Joined: 2/26/2008
Msg: 96
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Black Metal is as bad as White Metal - too much preaching.

I saw somebody mention Cradle of Filth - from the UK. Ever hear the story when they went to the Church of England and made a scene at Canterbury Cathedral. The Church didn't care and they left. The Church of England doesn't care about Metal Music - to them its entertainment like horror movies.

Cradle of Filth had to go to the Vatican in Rome for someone to get upset - even then they CofF are a tongue-in-cheek band.

Go listen to Akercocke - they at least sound sickening if you are looking for that thing.

Bathory is also thrash & Viking Metal - not true Black - Quarthon couldn't keep it up it's so stupid a genre - really worship of the Devil is so dumb.

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Joined: 8/11/2009
Msg: 97
Black metal...
Posted: 8/21/2009 4:14:59 PM
i'm a huge fan of black metal that's heavily influenced by early Burzum. so unsurpisingly, i've become a bit of a junkie with "dsbm" (depressive/suicidal black metal). bands like early Ulver, Brocken Moon, Wedard, etc. i really like a lot of the stuff coming out of the middle east and central asia. while it's rarely that impressive musically, the passion these bands have is INCREDIBLE!!! when you live in a country like Afghanistan (like Taarma used to), Lebanon, or Iran, chances are good that you're going to be angrier and more depressed than most people in Europe and the USA. and it definitely shows up in the music...

while i love the lo-fi super-atmospheric, poorly-produced stuff, i really like when black metal is effectively mixed with other genres; Anaal Nathrakh (which throws death/grind and operatic vocals into the mix quite well...), Njiqahdda, Velvet Cacoon, Wold (raw black mixed with harsh experimental noise), etc. i especially like the fusion of black metal and shoegaze. and i really feel that there needs to be more raw black/experimental noise bands...
Joined: 2/26/2008
Msg: 98
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Posted: 8/21/2009 5:00:44 PM

Anaal Nathrakh (which throws death/grind and operatic vocals into the mix quite well...)

British Black is tongue in cheek at best - NORWEIGIAN BLACK is what all Black Metal is the standard. Like Dimmu Borgir is the standard for all Black Metal - I can't stand them or anything like it - crap.

The original Black Metal bands were:
Angel Witch
Mercyful Fate

I'll listen to any of them b4 any of that Norweigan Crap.
Joined: 8/9/2009
Msg: 100
Black metal...
Posted: 9/1/2009 3:26:56 PM
I think Alcest, Velvet Cacoon and Wolves In The Throneroom are all proving the longevity and varied styles within the genre. Though my favorite will always be Nocturnal Depression with haungting vocals and just bleak and varied acoustic guitar styles.
Joined: 2/26/2008
Msg: 101
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Posted: 9/14/2009 9:36:53 PM

There are also bands who combine Death and Black metal very well, like Hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is from Sweden, where like the UK - Black Metal is Tongue In Cheek and Campy and not true Black Metal.

True Black is from Norway only - oooh a land that is opressive and the Christians are Tyrants... Uh no - opposite Nice People, Fairly Open Minded and no Religion is running anything, kind of nice place to live.

You want a true classic Black Metal band -

TOXIC HOLOCAUST - they rule ........Awesome ......

Joined: 2/23/2007
Msg: 103
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Posted: 9/19/2009 11:50:36 PM
Wolves In The Throne Room
Judas Iscariot
Satyricon (old)
Satanic Warmaster

are some of my current favs for BM.
Joined: 9/9/2009
Msg: 105
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Posted: 9/27/2009 11:14:18 PM
It's definitely not dead. The problem with black metal is its about the message, not so much the music itself, but that does not mean I don't respect that they do. I personally listen to music for its musicianship, not the lyrics unless its cannibal corpse.
Joined: 9/13/2009
Msg: 106
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Posted: 9/30/2009 7:45:05 PM

I appreciate BM and it's stance against the negative influence that the Semitic religions have brought to Europe.

The antireligious stance is probably the one thing I don't like about black metal. Thankfully, there are some black metal bands that have better things to write songs about besides ****ing about Christianity. Since I'm a fundamentalist Christian, perhaps I shouldn't be listening to black metal? Nevermind. Forget it.

What I'd like to ask you all is, which sub-genre is your preferred style - death or black metal?

Personally, I'd say death metal was better up to 1996, black metal is better from 1997 onwards. That's not to say BM was crap pre-1997 (Bathory in particular were awesome) but I think the likes of Emperor really moved the scene forward, whereas DM has stagnated (those that didn't evolved. Some disappeared up their own arses, like Paradise Lost and Anathema, but the likes of In Flames and Dark Tranquility have done well, imo).

I agree. Seems to me that it was when Emperor put out "Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk" that black metal started to progress and death metal started to stagnate. There are still some pretty good death metal bands though. Amon Amarth, Dark Tranquillity, Behemoth, and Nile are all putting out some consistently good stuff if you ask me.

But for the most part I agree that black metal is much better than death metal these days. Particularly the more atmospheric bands like Moonsorrow, Thyrfing, Slechtvalk, Crimson Moonlight, 1349, and Naglfar.
Joined: 2/26/2008
Msg: 107
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Posted: 9/30/2009 8:44:26 PM
Just remember that Religious Authorities in NORWAY, and FINLAND are so repressive....

Joined: 9/12/2009
Msg: 108
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Posted: 10/4/2009 1:16:30 PM
Black metal has been's gone.
Joined: 2/26/2008
Msg: 109
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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:40:39 PM
Celtic Frost????

Didn't they become a Glam Metal band like Hanoi Rocks???


Viking Metal!

Seriously - the best Black Metal is non-Christian based like Rudra or Melechesh...

Joined: 10/18/2009
Msg: 110
Black metal...
Posted: 10/30/2009 9:24:37 PM
Some of the best BM bands ever are Dissection, Windir, Kampfar, Mayhem, Immortal and Satyricon. Most of you may disagree with me on the latter, but unlike most BM bands, they purely concentrate on the music, not about appearances, or what is "kvlt" or "troo". They have always stuck to what's important, and that's the music. Each of they're albums are so unique.
Joined: 11/5/2009
Msg: 111
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Posted: 11/12/2009 12:48:30 PM
In speaking of Black Metal, you must first acknowledge it's earliest pioneers, namely...VENOM, BATHORY, & HELLHAMMER (the band !, not the rock-star drummer from Mayhem). Every later band that denies these fundamental influences is...well...kidding themselves. I would agree that there IS room for musicianship in the genre, but a sense of grimness and minimalism must be maintained in order for the genre to stand it's ground against the tide of commercialism that would inevitably destroy it.
While I certainly give credit to the sexy Norwegian bands that everyone loves to talk about - with Burzum being my largest influence, I personally feel that the 90's bands of southern/eastern Europe were criminally overlooked. For the most part, they still are. There were some wonderful Greek bands from the 90's that produced some of the most evil recordings of all time, employing a perfect combination of lush melody with raw underground minimalism. Rotting Christ's "Thy Mighty Contract" is the first that comes to mind, but Varathron was killer too. Despite controversy over Rob Darken, Graveland (Poland) has stood as glorious example of how a long-running BM can stay extreme, while also developing into an art form of greater potency.
...And what about all the overlooked US Bands ? As far as I'm concerned, bands like Judas Iscariot and Xasthur provide an infinitely higher embodiment of the BM formula than 50% of the overrated pretty-boys from overseas. Profanatica and Grand Belial's Key (in my opinion the greatest US black metal band, PERIOD) were both around since 1990, making them just as old as the majority of the 2nd wave bands.
I will give credit to Darkthrone, for continuing to make each album more raw than the one that came before it. By now, they sound like some sort of punk-BM hybrid...( if you think that punk-influence has no place in BM, than you obviously didn't listen to Venom that closely).
And let's not forget Finland's Beherit, arguably the most underrated black metal project ever. "Drawing Down the Moon" is undoubtedly a core influence of every band out there that is trying to be "kvlt". If you're not familiar with that album,'re in need of some education.
I also agree that the folk influenced bands are wonderful, provided that they use the influence in artistic manner, as opposed to simply jumping on the next trend. Waylander, Nokturnal Mortum, Falkenbach, Arkona, Gontyna Kry, etc. are all fantastic...
Joined: 11/5/2009
Msg: 112
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Posted: 11/12/2009 4:24:42 PM
Yes, a long thread indeed...I probably could (& perhaps should) have gone a little longer with my rant. Master's Hammer was a great band, although I never really got into their last album (the experimental one). Tormentor, if I'm not mistaken, was from Hungary. I never had any of their stuff, but I always dug Attila's vocals. Blasphemy was an important band, not just for the North American scene. Their style was a tad similar to Beherit, whom I liked a little more. "Fallen Angel of Doom" was a classic, though. Canada has certainly produced some great metal bands, in general. Though I never really got into Absu, I got the sense that there was a little more depth going on thematically in their stuff...fantastic drumming too. Nothing wrong with Norse BM, I just hate the way that the media romanticized it into a pop-culture phenomena. With that kind of media influence, it's no wonder that glammed-out bands like Dimmu Borgir are now more recognized than the bands that actually shaped the sound (old Mayhem, Darkthrone, Burzum). Although not the most original band, I like Satanic Warmaster (as far as newer Scandinavian bands go), a pretty decent attempt at the classic formula...
Joined: 11/5/2009
Msg: 113
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Posted: 11/13/2009 6:36:18 PM
I Shalt Become is quite enjoyable, considering that the songs/imagery/lyrics almost border on plagiarism. I really enjoy Bilskirnir as well, although some individuals might not be too keen on the ideological leanings.
I would also include Demoncy in the Blasphemy/Beherit/ The old demos, as well as the "Joined in Darkness" lp, were some of the heaviest-darkest-most minimalistic BM recordings that ever came out of the states. Once they became a full "live" band, they kinda lost their edge.
I just listened to the new Beherit album. It's actually quite good...just as dirty sounding as ever, a tad slower though. Most of these come-back attempts are quite disappointing....
Joined: 11/22/2009
Msg: 114
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Posted: 12/17/2009 10:09:56 PM
Here's my favorites;

Old Katatonia (Their first two releases are kinda black-ish)
Samael (I like their techno stuff as well)
Masters Hammer
Lurker of Chalice
Obscurus Advocam

Yeah there's still a lot out there.
Joined: 12/15/2009
Msg: 115
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Posted: 12/19/2009 7:33:32 AM
I am shocked there is a black metal thread here.
Joined: 12/20/2007
Msg: 116
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Posted: 12/20/2009 1:17:39 PM
BM is certainly not dead, and I don't think it will ever be. You just don't really see a lot of BM bands because it's not as popular as other metal styles such as death metal. There are many BM bands popping up all over the world, they just don't get the attention and recognition they deserve. Mainly because they don't have the resources to expose the world or other countries of their work. One good BM band from Canada is Gotherfall. Last I saw they are not a band together anymore, but they still have good music from when they were a band. One BM band I love, and you should check them out, is Chthonic. I haven't seen anybody mention them. They are from Taiwan. Check out their MySpace and they have a wicked music video at the top of their page.
Joined: 10/18/2009
Msg: 117
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Posted: 12/21/2009 7:25:31 AM
Chthonic is amazing. I saw them live with Satyricon. And why would anyone be "surprised" that there is a BM thread on this site? BM is not dead by any means. I'm not going to go on listing a bunch of bands, you can visit my profile to see that. The one thing that does irritate me about BM is the sub-genres of it. Why do ppl have to sub-class within a genre? It's all BM to me, whether it be DSBM, NSBM, Symphonic, etc. Although the music of NSBM is quite good, I can't agree with it's main principles, which I think are mainly a gimmick anyways.
Joined: 7/5/2010
Msg: 119
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Posted: 7/16/2010 11:52:41 PM
Death metal anyone? :)
Joined: 2/10/2009
Msg: 120
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Posted: 7/24/2010 4:35:04 PM
The pure black metal you're referring to was more the product of the Scandinavian countries. It's the sort of music that can't easily be imitated in the States because we don't have the same sort of socio-political/religious dynamic that, say, Norway did (does)?
Honestly, I was never a big fan of the stuff, though there were a few Burzum and Darkthrone tunes and some of the like that I got into. In my teens I was into Cradle of Filth before I realized that it was all formulaic, and sucky at that.
I don't listen to it all anymore, partly for ideological reasons, and partly because I grew out of the angry white boy phase.
Music always goes through mutations, but honestly, I don't really see black metal in its original form coming back in a big way, at least in the U.S. It just didn't have the same fan base as say, doom metal, at least not that I'm aware of. American black metal has never sounded like Scandinavian black metal. I think you have to be brought up a certain way to make music that both blisters your ears and gives your soul frostbite.

One of the most interesting works of nonfiction I've ever read was Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground. There are stories there that all black metal fans know; the ironic demise of Dead, and such. But I derive my opinion partly based on what I conceive the original driving force of early black metal to be, which was partly political.
Joined: 6/23/2011
Msg: 121
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Black metal...
Posted: 6/28/2011 1:43:45 AM
Recently I've enjoyed some of the more ambient black metal stuff like the Tiurada album by Falkenbach and Epoch by Fen.
I think that Enslaved are producing consisently engrossing and inspiring work, whilst Satyricon have put on 2 of the most inspiring live performances I've been fortunate enough to witness of the last 5 years, I'll leave it to purists to decide whether or not they still really count as BM, but I know that I thoroughly enjoyed what I saw.
Last years album by Winterfylleth really impressed me.
Finally over the forthcoming weeks I'm anticipating great things from Watain at Sonisphere followed by Triptykon, Immortal and 1349 at Bloodstock.
Joined: 11/5/2009
Msg: 123
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Posted: 6/30/2011 9:38:41 PM
as far as black metal goes,I stay away from " satanic" black metal.... and listen to christian black metal. yes I said it! christian black metal. horde, antestor, vardoger, arch of thorns, crimson moonlight, ETC. forget all of those satanic bands.. they may have played a big part in forming black metal. as far as music.... as far as ideas of what they believe of christianity.... they have it all wrong.... the scene is very is still alive with christian black metal....
Joined: 5/10/2011
Msg: 124
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Posted: 7/9/2011 7:07:12 PM
The early pre second wave 90s stuff was great, the 90s stuff was fun too but I'm glad the likes of Satyricon and Darkthrone are bringing it back to the first wave sound.
Joined: 6/6/2011
Msg: 125
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Posted: 7/16/2011 9:20:40 AM
i gotta say i like some of the black metal out there. dimmu,immortal..lesser known stuff as well. but costumes and hocus pokus is just too spinal tap. classically influenced metal the like of rhapsody of fire,therion,leaves eyes,etc are awesome.anyway keep metal alive my fellow metal heads.thats my 40 yr old opinion.
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