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 kvltbtch01
Joined: 8/11/2009
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Number one, CoF is the stupidest band ever...period.

Here's a list of my fav Black Metal bands; enjoy!!!

Gorgoroth
Vintersorg
Immortal
Nokturnal Mortem
Amon Amarth
"old" Bathory
Dissection
Celtic Frost
Marduk
Samael
Borknagar
Emperor
Impaled Nazarene
Venom
Mayhem
I do appreciate Dimmu Borgir, and Satyricon.
 Colin_Angry
Joined: 8/9/2009
Msg: 102
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Posted: 9/1/2009 3:26:56 PM
I think Alcest, Velvet Cacoon and Wolves In The Throneroom are all proving the longevity and varied styles within the genre. Though my favorite will always be Nocturnal Depression with haungting vocals and just bleak and varied acoustic guitar styles.
 Twilight of the Idols
Joined: 6/21/2009
Msg: 103
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Posted: 9/1/2009 3:42:59 PM
I appreciate BM and it's stance against the negative influence that the Semitic religions have brought to Europe. I think there is a lot of diversity in the genre, if you really dig deep enough. For those who like it "pure" there is Darkthrone, still going strong. For those who prefer more bombast and epic, there is Emperor. For those who like Pagan themes, there is Primordial and for folk influences, Vintersorg and their ilk. There are also bands who combine Death and Black metal very well, like Hypocrisy. All good stuff, imo.

Long live BM!
 Taztiger72
Joined: 2/26/2008
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Posted: 9/14/2009 9:36:53 PM

There are also bands who combine Death and Black metal very well, like Hypocrisy.


Hypocrisy is from Sweden, where like the UK - Black Metal is Tongue In Cheek and Campy and not true Black Metal.


True Black is from Norway only - oooh a land that is opressive and the Christians are Tyrants... Uh no - opposite Nice People, Fairly Open Minded and no Religion is running anything, kind of nice place to live.

You want a true classic Black Metal band -

TOXIC HOLOCAUST - they rule ........Awesome ......

 Anteaus
Joined: 9/5/2009
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Posted: 9/17/2009 6:11:36 AM
What is bad about black metal at the moment is the old bands coming back to try again. Veherit and Graveland failed very badly :( which is a shame because of the early stuff was amazing.

Also Burzum recently got out of jail. Lets hope he doesn't feel urge to release something. I still get shivers listening to Hvis Lyset Tar Oss.

Dont know if anyone mentioned Dark Tribe and Darkspace these 2 bands destroy the silence that black metal created. ;)

Cheers.
 bigguytoo9
Joined: 2/23/2007
Msg: 106
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Posted: 9/19/2009 11:50:36 PM
Wolves In The Throne Room
Weakling
Judas Iscariot
Leviathan
Xasthur
Revenge
Satyricon (old)
Immortal
Darkthrone
Satanic Warmaster

are some of my current favs for BM.
 iconoblast
Joined: 9/19/2009
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Posted: 9/26/2009 6:54:35 AM
Limbonic Art
Vesania
Alghazanth
Obsidian Gate
Zyklon
Samael
Aborym
Moonsorrow
Vinterriket
 Ozymadias
Joined: 9/9/2009
Msg: 108
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Posted: 9/27/2009 11:14:18 PM
It's definitely not dead. The problem with black metal is its about the message, not so much the music itself, but that does not mean I don't respect that they do. I personally listen to music for its musicianship, not the lyrics unless its cannibal corpse.
 Thorarin
Joined: 8/31/2009
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Posted: 9/29/2009 12:13:37 PM
Amon Amarth? That's not black metal, it's melodic death metal :)
Vintersorg is a little progressive to be labeled just another black metal band.
I saw Borknagar last weekend. Personally I just think they're "all right", but that's a matter of taste of course.

Some other bands I like (some of them may have been mentioned):
Lyfthrasyr
Shade Empire
Vreid
Carach Angren :P
Gernotshagen (in German)
Riger (also German language)
 Twilight of the Idols
Joined: 6/21/2009
Msg: 110
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Posted: 9/29/2009 12:59:55 PM
What I'd like to ask you all is, which sub-genre is your preferred style - death or black metal?

Personally, I'd say death metal was better up to 1996, black metal is better from 1997 onwards. That's not to say BM was crap pre-1997 (Bathory in particular were awesome) but I think the likes of Emperor really moved the scene forward, whereas DM has stagnated (those that didn't evolved. Some disappeared up their own arses, like Paradise Lost and Anathema, but the likes of In Flames and Dark Tranquility have done well, imo).
 SongsOfSadness
Joined: 9/13/2009
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Posted: 9/30/2009 7:45:05 PM

I appreciate BM and it's stance against the negative influence that the Semitic religions have brought to Europe.


The antireligious stance is probably the one thing I don't like about black metal. Thankfully, there are some black metal bands that have better things to write songs about besides ****ing about Christianity. Since I'm a fundamentalist Christian, perhaps I shouldn't be listening to black metal? Nevermind. Forget it.


What I'd like to ask you all is, which sub-genre is your preferred style - death or black metal?

Personally, I'd say death metal was better up to 1996, black metal is better from 1997 onwards. That's not to say BM was crap pre-1997 (Bathory in particular were awesome) but I think the likes of Emperor really moved the scene forward, whereas DM has stagnated (those that didn't evolved. Some disappeared up their own arses, like Paradise Lost and Anathema, but the likes of In Flames and Dark Tranquility have done well, imo).


I agree. Seems to me that it was when Emperor put out "Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk" that black metal started to progress and death metal started to stagnate. There are still some pretty good death metal bands though. Amon Amarth, Dark Tranquillity, Behemoth, and Nile are all putting out some consistently good stuff if you ask me.

But for the most part I agree that black metal is much better than death metal these days. Particularly the more atmospheric bands like Moonsorrow, Thyrfing, Slechtvalk, Crimson Moonlight, 1349, and Naglfar.
 Taztiger72
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Posted: 9/30/2009 8:44:26 PM
Just remember that Religious Authorities in NORWAY, and FINLAND are so repressive....

 nightslayer
Joined: 8/26/2009
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Posted: 10/1/2009 9:09:59 AM
i love some black metal especailly Rhapsody and immortal, which actually immortal are one of the best bands i have seen live
 Kayo_is_Okay
Joined: 9/12/2009
Msg: 114
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Posted: 10/4/2009 1:16:30 PM
Black metal has been blackened...it's gone.
 Taztiger72
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Posted: 10/4/2009 11:40:39 PM
Celtic Frost????

Didn't they become a Glam Metal band like Hanoi Rocks???

Bathory???

Viking Metal!

Seriously - the best Black Metal is non-Christian based like Rudra or Melechesh...


 BlackMetalGoddess
Joined: 10/18/2009
Msg: 116
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Posted: 10/30/2009 9:24:37 PM
Some of the best BM bands ever are Dissection, Windir, Kampfar, Mayhem, Immortal and Satyricon. Most of you may disagree with me on the latter, but unlike most BM bands, they purely concentrate on the music, not about appearances, or what is "kvlt" or "troo". They have always stuck to what's important, and that's the music. Each of they're albums are so unique.
 Serpentbreath
Joined: 11/5/2009
Msg: 117
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Posted: 11/12/2009 12:48:30 PM
In speaking of Black Metal, you must first acknowledge it's earliest pioneers, namely...VENOM, BATHORY, & HELLHAMMER (the band !, not the rock-star drummer from Mayhem). Every later band that denies these fundamental influences is...well...kidding themselves. I would agree that there IS room for musicianship in the genre, but a sense of grimness and minimalism must be maintained in order for the genre to stand it's ground against the tide of commercialism that would inevitably destroy it.
While I certainly give credit to the sexy Norwegian bands that everyone loves to talk about - with Burzum being my largest influence, I personally feel that the 90's bands of southern/eastern Europe were criminally overlooked. For the most part, they still are. There were some wonderful Greek bands from the 90's that produced some of the most evil recordings of all time, employing a perfect combination of lush melody with raw underground minimalism. Rotting Christ's "Thy Mighty Contract" is the first that comes to mind, but Varathron was killer too. Despite controversy over Rob Darken, Graveland (Poland) has stood as glorious example of how a long-running BM can stay extreme, while also developing into an art form of greater potency.
...And what about all the overlooked US Bands ? As far as I'm concerned, bands like Judas Iscariot and Xasthur provide an infinitely higher embodiment of the BM formula than 50% of the overrated pretty-boys from overseas. Profanatica and Grand Belial's Key (in my opinion the greatest US black metal band, PERIOD) were both around since 1990, making them just as old as the majority of the 2nd wave bands.
I will give credit to Darkthrone, for continuing to make each album more raw than the one that came before it. By now, they sound like some sort of punk-BM hybrid...( if you think that punk-influence has no place in BM, than you obviously didn't listen to Venom that closely).
And let's not forget Finland's Beherit, arguably the most underrated black metal project ever. "Drawing Down the Moon" is undoubtedly a core influence of every band out there that is trying to be "kvlt". If you're not familiar with that album, then...well...you're in need of some education.
I also agree that the folk influenced bands are wonderful, provided that they use the influence in artistic manner, as opposed to simply jumping on the next trend. Waylander, Nokturnal Mortum, Falkenbach, Arkona, Gontyna Kry, etc. are all fantastic...
Hailz!
 Mysteriis
Joined: 10/18/2009
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Posted: 11/12/2009 1:38:56 PM
Good post, I agree with a lot of what you've said. I havent read all the thread though due to it being so old.

You dont mention much of the Czech bands (Master's Hammer especially) or Tormentor which 'should' be mentioned I think. I dont really share your view of GBK, I do think they're a good band but from what I've heard not really my thing. Absu could possibly be mentioned, although it's only the last 2/3 albums I feel they've got their own identity. 'Absu' is bloody good. You forgot Blasphemy too, which should atleast be mentioned. I know they're not US though.

As you probably can guess from my username I am very much a Norse fan, but that's genuinely liking the style rather than overlooking other scenes etc.

I dont like much of the 'twee' Folk/Viking stuff but good call on Falkenbach. Their/his first album is great.

..Oh, and the South American bands. Vulcano - Bloody Vengeance being a fave. Not BM entirely but still very much influential in my opinion..
 Serpentbreath
Joined: 11/5/2009
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Posted: 11/12/2009 4:24:42 PM
Yes, a long thread indeed...I probably could (& perhaps should) have gone a little longer with my rant. Master's Hammer was a great band, although I never really got into their last album (the experimental one). Tormentor, if I'm not mistaken, was from Hungary. I never had any of their stuff, but I always dug Attila's vocals. Blasphemy was an important band, not just for the North American scene. Their style was a tad similar to Beherit, whom I liked a little more. "Fallen Angel of Doom" was a classic, though. Canada has certainly produced some great metal bands, in general. Though I never really got into Absu, I got the sense that there was a little more depth going on thematically in their stuff...fantastic drumming too. Nothing wrong with Norse BM, I just hate the way that the media romanticized it into a pop-culture phenomena. With that kind of media influence, it's no wonder that glammed-out bands like Dimmu Borgir are now more recognized than the bands that actually shaped the sound (old Mayhem, Darkthrone, Burzum). Although not the most original band, I like Satanic Warmaster (as far as newer Scandinavian bands go), a pretty decent attempt at the classic formula...
 Mysteriis
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Posted: 11/13/2009 10:46:35 AM
Yes Tormentor from Hungary, I edited my post to add Master's Hammer but without reading it again it possibly read like I meant they were from CZ too. I've seen Attila live twice now, put on good performances both times. I am one of those people who thinks his performance on De Mysteriis is one of the most unique and best in BM. DMDS wouldnt be the same without him..

You are right with Blasphemy and Beherit, to be honest I am not the biggest fan of the style and include Profanatica in with that chaotic blend of BM/early 'War' Metal. I listened to that Havohej album once many years ago, I did quite like it but what sticks in my head is that none-musical blasphemic rant, quite amusing.

The latest Absu album is awesome, but barely BM to be honest. I saw Absu live a couple of weeks ago, I spent quite a lot of the gig just watching Proscriptor. There's a slightly progressive sound to it, not a million miles away from Enslaved at some points, but doesnt divert as much. Another US band I particularly like the new album of is Cobalt with 'Gin'. I had been put off their previous releases due to the 'War Metal' tag which although I dont mind I have enough of with Revenge/AoA etc. Anyway, Gin is bloody good. Again not pure BM but not far off. I do like a lot of the Burzum clones from the US too, although they have to get it just right or it seems like a poor substitute for Varg. I Shalt Become/Birkenau are probably my fave. I like the 'trend' bands such as WitTR, Nachtmystium and even Velvet Cacoon, despite all the rubbish that goes along with them.

Anyway, that's a bit off topic. Good to see somebody who knows his stuff here.
 Serpentbreath
Joined: 11/5/2009
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Posted: 11/13/2009 6:36:18 PM
I Shalt Become is quite enjoyable, considering that the songs/imagery/lyrics almost border on plagiarism. I really enjoy Bilskirnir as well, although some individuals might not be too keen on the ideological leanings.
I would also include Demoncy in the Blasphemy/Beherit/Profanatica...camp. The old demos, as well as the "Joined in Darkness" lp, were some of the heaviest-darkest-most minimalistic BM recordings that ever came out of the states. Once they became a full "live" band, they kinda lost their edge.
I just listened to the new Beherit album. It's actually quite good...just as dirty sounding as ever, a tad slower though. Most of these come-back attempts are quite disappointing....
 sean_musta_kaipuu
Joined: 11/22/2009
Msg: 122
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Posted: 12/17/2009 10:09:56 PM
Here's my favorites;

Darkthrone
Horna
Beherit
Sarcofago
Blasphemy
Old Katatonia (Their first two releases are kinda black-ish)
Samael (I like their techno stuff as well)
Arckanum
Unlord
Sargeist
Mystifier
Masters Hammer
Krieg
Twilight
Lurker of Chalice
Archgoat
Obscurus Advocam
Drudkh
Necrovore
Heresi(Swe)

Yeah there's still a lot out there.
 daisysmydog
Joined: 12/15/2009
Msg: 123
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Posted: 12/19/2009 7:33:32 AM
I am shocked there is a black metal thread here.
 Chadillac223
Joined: 12/20/2007
Msg: 124
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Posted: 12/20/2009 1:17:39 PM
BM is certainly not dead, and I don't think it will ever be. You just don't really see a lot of BM bands because it's not as popular as other metal styles such as death metal. There are many BM bands popping up all over the world, they just don't get the attention and recognition they deserve. Mainly because they don't have the resources to expose the world or other countries of their work. One good BM band from Canada is Gotherfall. Last I saw they are not a band together anymore, but they still have good music from when they were a band. One BM band I love, and you should check them out, is Chthonic. I haven't seen anybody mention them. They are from Taiwan. Check out their MySpace and they have a wicked music video at the top of their page.
 BlackMetalGoddess
Joined: 10/18/2009
Msg: 125
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Posted: 12/21/2009 7:25:31 AM
Chthonic is amazing. I saw them live with Satyricon. And why would anyone be "surprised" that there is a BM thread on this site? BM is not dead by any means. I'm not going to go on listing a bunch of bands, you can visit my profile to see that. The one thing that does irritate me about BM is the sub-genres of it. Why do ppl have to sub-class within a genre? It's all BM to me, whether it be DSBM, NSBM, Symphonic, etc. Although the music of NSBM is quite good, I can't agree with it's main principles, which I think are mainly a gimmick anyways.
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