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 Countryheart1967
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To think that all my life I've thought that parents, siblings, self awareness, choices, society, experiences, and so on and so on forged my character. O_o

Silly me.
 CuriousInDB
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Posted: 2/18/2015 5:18:34 AM
^^^Oh, hell, no. It's what star sign you're born under. Your life is predetermined.

I guess we're dumb because we're from the same state.
 Countryheart1967
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Posted: 2/18/2015 5:25:17 AM
^^^^

If that's the case then I really want to have a sit down with whomever predetermined mine; I have a few bones to pick lol.
 naysaying_knicktwist
Joined: 11/19/2009
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Posted: 2/18/2015 6:24:34 AM
In 2006, Pluto (the 'ruling' planet of Scorpio, in terms of astrology) lost its designation as a planet. (It is not the largest object in its orbit and was reclassified as a 'dwarf planet.') What was the impact of this on horoscopes and astrological charts?
 browneyesboo
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Posted: 2/18/2015 7:12:09 AM
I don't really believe in astrology...I mean I don't take it seriously.
But it is interesting sometimes to read things that others are assuming
about you because of star alignment and realizing that it's true.

I wouldn't plan my life around astrology or numbers...I think it's
entertainment.

I don't take a ouija board seriously either, but I'm pretty sure it's not
me moving the planchette.

How is believing in astrology or numbers or the stars any different
in believing in some invisible deity?

PS I'm a wicked Leo
 the_summerwind
Joined: 9/11/2014
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Posted: 2/18/2015 7:20:32 AM

To think that all my life I've thought that parents, siblings, self awareness, choices, society, experiences, and so on and so on forged my character.


Yes, as with all those life experiences in what forges one’s life in so many ways....with a few quirks through in... for good measure.
I wasn’t born in Roseto, PA. lol ....but grew up with that similar family, neighborhood, community atmosphere in Chicago.
As those bonds of love, respect, joy, success, etc, etc,makes one heart beat strong.
As for astrology I find it as fun thing if anything...but not what drives my mind or heart.....

As for me & many others, ‘’ it takes the village in rising’’ ... in its responsible of love, with guidance, care etc, for those there that live there. Thinking back... I would have never have traded it for the world..
Having experienced & found out all that ‘’stuff'' in those ‘’Growing Years,'’.. so true now ....and to seek, & still learn experiences of life.....without drinking the‘’kool-aid’’ mind you...

Ok.... I’ll get off the soap box...carry on.
 CuriousInDB
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Posted: 2/18/2015 7:31:21 AM

How is believing in astrology or numbers or the stars any different
in believing in some invisible deity?

No difference at all. That's why my profile reads: " Sorry, but I can't date someone with beliefs in the supernatural ."

Too bad the religious folks who write don't get that religion is belief in the supernatural. They don't get that "non-religious" on my profile either. I have to spell it out using "atheism/atheist" in my profile. Sometimes they still don't get it (or don't bother to read it).
 Maleman999
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Posted: 2/18/2015 9:56:28 AM

People born on the same day, but at different times of the day and/or different locations, even just minutes apart, can have different character traits....When calculating someone's birth chart, the date. EXACT TIME (down to the minute) and location are very important.


So if a baby is born in the west wing of a hospital, are they going to have different character traits than someone born in the east wing? Do astrologers require GPS coordinates to the exact spot where a person was born to chart someone? I don't remember the exact time to the minute I was born, and neither does my mother. Would I have to get hospital records to prove when I was born to satisfy someone who is into astrology? It would be hard to locate the exact spot where I was born, since the hospital I was born in was torn down since then.

If I was contacting someone who mentioned they were into astrology, there is no way I'm going to give details about my birth date to an internet stranger. Even after a first meet, I'm not giving any details. How would I know if it's someone who wants the information for identity theft, and is using the disguise of being an astrologer? If someone won't go on a date until they have enough information to do a chart on me to see if we're a good match and what my personality is like, my chart would say we're not a match and that's the end of that.

I was wondering about the same thing that a couple of other posters wondered: If there is a belief in the super-natural that can't be proven right or wrong, are most astrologers also religious?
 TrustInKarma
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Posted: 2/18/2015 10:13:05 AM
I'm not religious at all. I do believe in reincarnation and I think to have read somewhere that an older version of the bible suggested that Moses, Jesus and other prophets were the same person reincarnated. Also, when the bible talked about people living to age 900 or whatever ancient number, it was really a reference to reincarnation, having lived many life-times that would add up to hundreds of year in different incarnations. But I'm no expert on that. I just read many accounts of people who recall having lived before and it seemed very believable to me. I have also had some experiences that make me believe I have lived before, even as a young child. That is my personal belief, and I don't push it on anybody else.

In astrology, to make an accurate birth chart, the location information needed are the longitude and latitude of the place of birth. The name of the town is usually enough. I never ask someone I have not met in person what their time of birth is, not even what their birthday is, unless it comes up naturally in conversation. I do tell them after getting to know them a bit that I'm a hobby astrologer and so far, nobody has had a problem giving me their info, and in fact were very interested in having their chart done. I'm not asking for their SSN for crying out loud.

All I can say is that those who call astrology BS are people who have no idea what it actually is. All they know is sun sign astrology, which is like saying you speak a foreign language when you really only know a few sentences. You DON"T know the language at all. You can't understand it until you immerse yourself in it and learn it, grammar, vocabulary and all, and then practice it. There is no other way. German is my native language, and it drives me absolutely crazy when people who only have very, very limited knowledge of it - as in they can't have a conversation in German, they only know a few phrases - claim that it is an "easy language" to learn. If they REALLY studied it, they would soon find out how very difficult and complicated it really is.
 VolkanoKing
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Posted: 2/18/2015 10:41:56 AM
Heh.

These forums are the best entertainment you can get for free.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 2/18/2015 10:51:26 AM

All I can say is that those who call astrology BS are people who have no idea what it actually is. All they know is sun sign astrology, which is like saying you speak a foreign language when you really only know a few sentences. You DON"T know the language at all. You can't understand it until you immerse yourself in it and learn it, grammar, vocabulary and all, and then practice it. There is no other way. German is my native language, and it drives me absolutely crazy when people who only have very, very limited knowledge of it - as in they can't have a conversation in German, they only know a few phrases - claim that it is an "easy language" to learn. If they REALLY studied it, they would soon find out how very difficult and complicated it really is.


That's simply not true for a lot of reasons. First, you have no idea what anyone knows or doesn't know about astrology. You're just assuming people aren't educated about it. How do you know they haven't studied it or had full birth charts done? It actually doesn't matter how much other people know about astrology. Either it's true or it's not. So far, there isn't a shred of evidence to support it.
 TrustInKarma
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Posted: 2/18/2015 10:54:18 AM
http://www.astrologer.com/tests/basisofastrology.htm
 Coma_White
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Posted: 2/18/2015 11:08:51 AM

Many people have claimed that astrology is a belief. That is largely true for many readers of newspaper horoscopes. It’s also true for those who believe astrology to be false without any knowledge. However, for those who have studied it, astrology is a knowledge and one that can be tested and verified - unlike a belief in a divine creator that cannot be tested.


When I mentioned "evidence", I meant something published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

The person that created this website also makes a lot of faulty arguments like this:
"Many people have claimed that astrology is a belief. That is largely true for many readers of newspaper horoscopes. It’s also true for those who believe astrology to be false without any knowledge. However, for those who have studied it, astrology is a knowledge and one that can be tested and verified - unlike a belief in a divine creator that cannot be tested. "

He's wrong because the default position is that astrology, like other superstitions don't exist. You don't have to prove a negative. It takes not faith to take the position that superstitions don't exist unless the evidence tells us differently.
 TrustInKarma
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Posted: 2/18/2015 11:13:29 AM
If you read the whole article, he quotes and refers to various studies. Some of which I never even heard about, and find very interesting.

I also like how it is pointed out that in the past, things that couldn't be explained logically were dismissed like astrology.


Mechanism:
One of the core objections to astrology is that there is no known scientific mechanism to account for how it all works. [Mechanism]

Is the lack of a mechanism justification for dismissing a phenomenon?
Several examples make the point that a lack of known mechanism is never a reason to dismiss evidence [see point 4.]
The lodestone (compass) was used successfully for two millennia. Yet, no one understood the Earth’s magnetic field until the 20th century.
Semmelweis (1818-1865) introduced hygienic practices like hand washing in obstetric clinics. He was ridiculed by other scientists as he could not provide a mechanism, even though he reduced the mortality rate. Yet, it became accepted practice years after he died when Pasteur confirmed germ theory.
"That we can now think of no mechanism for astrology is relevant but unconvincing. No mechanism was known, for example, for continental drift when it was proposed by Wegener. Nevertheless, we see that Wegener was right, and those who objected on the grounds of unavailable mechanism were wrong.”

~ Carl Sagan, astronomer, author, cosmologist, broadcaster & astrology sceptic.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 2/18/2015 11:22:12 AM

If you read the whole article, he quotes and refers to various studies. Some of which I never even heard about, and find very interesting.


That doesn't mean any of the studies were published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. There simply isn't anything to explain or dismiss. There's literally nothing there. Coming up with some vague statements and common personality traits doesn't require an explanation or a "mechanism". What's why all the people in the video I posted felt the horoscope applied to them. People find it "accuate" based on confirmation bias. We always look for things that fit us and ignore the parts that don't fit us. James Randi, as well as many other people have tested astrologers and 100% of the tests are negative. He also allows astrologers to apply for his million dollar challenge.
 TrustInKarma
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Posted: 2/18/2015 11:29:37 AM
From the same quoted website:




Scientific Evidence:
There are many sceptics who insist on 'scientific proof' before they can accept astrology and a few researchers who believe they can 'prove astrology'. While in mathematics, you can deduce a proof to show that a proposition is always true, this is not how the natural sciences work. You cannot 'prove physics'. Science works by the accumulation of empirical evidence to build up a theory. With each replication, the theory becomes more persuasive and established, but since new evidence can show it to be false or that it requires modification at any time, it remains a theory or hypothesis and can never become proof or a law.[10]

Over the past fifty years, scientists and astrological researchers are discovering a growing body of objective evidence of correlations between celestial positions and terrestrial life. These statistically significant results have been published in peer reviewed journals (including Correlation, a specialist astrological journal). Ironically, some of the strongest evidence has come from experiments backed by sceptical groups including CSICOP.
Vernon Clark's Blind Tests (1951-1970)
Between 1951 and 1970, US psychologist Vernon Clark performed a series of blind matching tests involving a total of 50 professional astrologers. While a control group of 20 psychologists and social workers matched 10 pairs of charts with professions to a level of 50% as expected by chance, the astrologers successfully matched 65%. (Clark 1961) Though this result may not sound significant, the odds of this being a chance event is 1 in one in ten thousand. (p=0.0001) In a later study, Clark removed any possible cues from self-attribution from knowing sun sign traits, by using matched pairs with the same sun sign. The astrologers matched charts to case histories 72% of the time. An even more significant result. (p=.00001) In the final experiment, 59% astrologers were able to distinguish between an individual with a high IQ and one with cerebral palsy. Even this lower result was significant (p=.002) Overall out of 700 judgments the astrologers matched correctly 64% of the time. (p=0.00000000000005 or 5 in 10 trillion). (Clark 1970)
French psychologist and statistician, Michel Gauquelin (1955-1991)
Supported by his wife Francois, Michel Gauquelin conducted the most famous research into astrology. Though he was interested in astrology, he did not consider himself an astrologer and dismissed much of it including zodiac signs. His tests focussed on the correlation between the positions of the planets at an individual’s birth, his or her psychological nature and how this manifested in measurable ways such as choice of profession or independent biographical descriptions.
Gauquelin's Data
Gauquelin collected data from over 20,000 professional celebrities from various European countries and the United States. Gauquelin’s research detected statistically abnormal diurnal positions of the planet Mars at birth in athletes, Jupiter in actors, Saturn in scientists and the Moon in writers. His tests confirmed an ancient claim of astrologers that planets posited around the four angles are stronger and the characteristics associated with the planet manifests prominently in the individual.
Naturally Gauquelin’s tests attracted much controversy.
He allowed independent sceptical researchers to scrutinize his original data. Three committees of rationalist scientists Belgian (LERRCP), American (CSICOP), and French (CFEPP), reviewed and independently replicated Gauquelin's results. CSICOP published their results in The Humanist. The Belgian group refused to publish their study for eight years, in the vain hope of finding a logical explanation for their positive result. The French took a full 14 years. In the end the group dissolved and the work was completed by Jan Willem Nienhuys from the Netherlands. All groups made their data available, but the CFEPP was the only one to publish the full data. The book outlining the study (The "Mars Effect", A French Test of Over 1,000 Sports Champions) [Review].(Gauquelin 1988) (Ertel 1988) (Müller 1990) (Ertel 1990) (Ertel 1992) (Müller 1992) (Ertel 1993)
‘The Tenacious Mars Effect’ (1996)
by Suitbert Ertel and Kenneth Irving (Urania Trust) "describes the Gauquelin’s pioneering work and analyses in detail the attempts by sceptic committees in Belgium, the USA and France to disprove their results. The book highlights the often dubious methods by which hostile sceptics have sought to discredit the Gauquelin’s uncomfortable findings and shows that, in fact, much of the evidence is even stronger than previously claimed." (Ertel & Irving 1997) (Ertel & Irving 2000)
New York Suicide Test Press (1977)
Not all valid astrology tests have demonstrated evidence for astrology, but astrologers have been willing to publish these results. Nona Press and two other astrologers gathered 311 records of birth data of subjects who committed suicide in New York between 1969-73 who were also born in the five boroughs of New York City. Despite statistical comparison with a multitude of astrological conventional and unconventional techniques such as asteroids and minor aspects, they were unable to find significant results that related to suicide. However, their results (Press 1977) were duly published in an Astrological Journal. Some astrologers have argued that there may not be an astrological signature for suicide (since this is not part of normal astrological practice) or that astrology is divination and cannot be objectively demonstrated by empirical studies.(Cornelius 2003)
Gauquelin & Eysenck (1979-1981)
An empirical study of personality and the position of the planets at birth. (Gauquelin 1979)


The birth data and personality descriptions of several thousand famous French scientists, sportsmen, and actors were obtained from biographies. The rising and culminating positions of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn were calculated and the personality measured according to Hans Eysenck's scales. It was predicted and found that introverts are very significantly more frequently born when Saturn had just risen or just passed its upper culmination; extraverts when Mars and Jupiter had just risen, or just passed their upper culminations.
Eysenck's personality analysis and position of the planets at birth: A replication on American subjects. (Gauquelin 1981)


Personality descriptions of 500 successful American professionals were compiled from their biographies and birth data collected. The precise positions of the planets Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn at birth correlated with H. J. Eysenck's (1967) personality dimensions. Extraverts were significantly more frequently born when Mars and Jupiter had just risen or just passed their upper culmination; introverts when Saturn had just risen or had just passed their upper culmination.
Professor Müller's Studies (1986)
A study by Arno Müller, Profesor of Psychology at the University of Saarland, Germany of the lives of 1,145 German nobility over five centuries where records were kept meticulously, showed a significantly higher frequency in infant mortality within the first 15 months (p=0.0004) of birth when Saturn was rising or culminating (Gauquelin sectors) at birth. (Muller & Menzer 1986) [This fits with a traditional interpretation of Saturn rising as difficulties early on in life.] This study might be applied to help understand the mysteries of present day cot-death syndrome.
Timm & Köberl: A re-analysis of a study by Hans Bender (1986)
A re-analysis of a study in 1952-55 on 178 German Astrologers showed that astrologers were able to match descriptions of 3 people to 3 natal charts to a significant level. (p=0.026). (Timm & Köberl 1986) However, researchers could not rule out the results being attributed to ESP.
Sara Ridgley: Astrologically Predictable Patterns In Work Related Injuries. (1993)
In her Phd. study of 1023 workers in California who were disabled for at least 3 months as a result of accidents at work between 1987-1991, Dr Ridgley found a correlation (p 23,000). Tarvainen discovered that while single astrological factors show positive correlations, they are often not statistically significant as found by Gauquelin. However, when the factors are synthesized as is the practice of astrologers, the results become significant. An example is Mercury, Gemini and the third house are significant in the charts of Journalists (p=.03) (Tarvainen 2012) Tarvainen's studies also found that certain astrological techniques could not be verified, and other techniques such as synastry produced significant results. (Tarvainen 2011) (Tarvainen 2012a) His studies include the prominence of 25 textbook significators in the charts of 2,759 mathematicians (p=.001) (Tarvainen 2013). Tarvainen also found a correlation between a wider marital age gap in the charts of husband's with Venus Saturn natal aspects (74 days p=.002) and a delay to marriage where both partners have Venus Saturn aspects. (Men 92 days p=.008 and women 62 days p=.04) (Tarvainen 2014)
 VolkanoKing
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Posted: 2/18/2015 11:42:09 AM
The internet-more entertainment than you have a right to expect!
 CuriousInDB
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Posted: 2/18/2015 11:46:31 AM
^^^Seriously. And you mentioned "free", I think. Hell, I've paid for entertainment that didn't measure up to this.

Maybe it's better that way, paying. This could be a problem for some folks.

Glad I'm not one of them. And I am home sick. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

Yeah, some amazing personalities here.
 CTRLvector
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Posted: 2/18/2015 4:32:37 PM
Law of averages = You may see a correlation within numbers or averages in statistics, but that doesn't mean there is a logical conclusion that can be made or drawn, simply because a string of same or similar draw is repeated, it is simply coincidence. It is uncommon or rare - but it happens. And if you use something arbitrary like astrology - you are effectively drawing straws.
 TrustInKarma
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Posted: 2/18/2015 10:30:20 PM
Coma White, you claim to have studied astrology - how many birth charts have you calculated and interpreted? Have you used natal planets and transits, or progressions? How about synastry charts? Do you know where the current Saturn transit or the Pluto/Uranus square falls in your own birth chart and how have they manifasted? Do you know how long the Pluto/Uranus square has been going on and how it has manifested in society? If you can answer this, I believe that you know a little bit about astrology. If not, then sorry, you have no idea what it is about and can't judge it.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 2/19/2015 12:06:48 AM

Coma White, you claim to have studied astrology - how many birth charts have you calculated and interpreted? Have you used natal planets and transits, or progressions? How about synastry charts? Do you know where the current Saturn transit or the Pluto/Uranus square falls in your own birth chart and how have they manifasted? Do you know how long the Pluto/Uranus square has been going on and how it has manifested in society? If you can answer this, I believe that you know a little bit about astrology. If not, then sorry, you have no idea what it is about and can't judge it.


I never claimed that I made charts. I had my own birth chart done. The problem is that you're setting up a really faulty argument for yourself and using extremely fuzzy logic. There's no need to judge anything because astrology has never been verified to be true. Also, Pluto isn't a planet. There are other objects similar in size like Eris that you're leaving out. Claiming that someone isn't allowed to "judge" something or make a statement about it without studying it is a logical fallacy called ad hominem. You're attacking the person's character instead of addressing their argument. Either astrology is true or it's not. What people know about it is irrelevant.
 CTRLvector
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Posted: 2/19/2015 1:14:54 AM

You're attacking the person's character instead of addressing their argument. Either astrology is true or it's not. What people know about it is irrelevant.


Right? Its like ghosts, some people like to believe in ghosts, I personally think its a bunch of shit too. I wish there were ghosts though, id like to see a crazy ghost with maybe a meat cleaver or something - that would be awesome. But there aren't ghosts, just like there aren't Aliens (intelligent) capable of even producing radio signals close enough to us for us to receive them through the NASA SETI program. The universe is so huge that for life to attempt to cross it - if a ship was capable of going say close to light speed without destabilizing and could perpetuate that for years - it would take forever to get anywhere. And space is not a place for life - there is too much radiation in space.

All you have to do is gather all the factors, understand science to a reasonable degree, and come to logical conclusion based on your best opinion of knowledge available. People like to believe in anything, that's mainly because its exciting - I envy people that can believe in astrology more than I think they are naïve.
 VolkanoKing
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Posted: 2/19/2015 4:25:55 AM
Heh. Yeah, I love the "you can't judge it" thing.

Oh, OK. Sorry.

So by default, that makes anyone who simply states "you can't judge me" correct.

How convenient.

As I said, you can't buy this sort of entertainment.

Anyway, on to other topics.
 the_summerwind
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Posted: 2/19/2015 5:02:06 AM

That's why some people call it "chick crack". Things like astrology, numerology, runes and tarot cards seem to appeal to women more than men.
^^^^ Us men need to catch up for sure.............^^^

And is there also when one post a lot...called, ‘’ Compulsive Posting Crack ?'' lol


@Carla

And I am home sick. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.


Did I tell you I make the ‘’best chicken soup’’ like grandma use to make !
But Carla... there might be,'' a sign'’ for your healing... or better yet a fortune cookie for guidance...^^^ Feeling better now ! ^^^ The ''Placebo Effect'' works every time...
Nonetheless. for me, I’ll take the soup...and also take Modern Science, Medicine etc ...thank you very much...


Yeah, some amazing personalities here.


And what ever your belief systems you have is getting you thought the day,night, month,year etc...^^^
As I remember this one show from England about history etc. & when he closed the show he would say at the ending of this quote, ’’Peace & my your god go with you !’'

So it takes all kinds in the great adventure of Life, liberty & the pursuit of Happiness...
 rockin-trucker82
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Posted: 2/19/2015 12:57:40 PM
OK, here's my question... When a guy is on a date with a girl, and he blows it by doing something stupid. Is he allowed to use the excuse that it's not his fault, it's the day he was born that made him that way?
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