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 BrownEyedLeo
Joined: 1/5/2006
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I know this will get me a lot of "brownie points' on here, but .. the truth is..
Once a Junkie, Always a Junkie.
No Ty, I want no part of a needle and tying off viens that have blown out from so much abuse. Junkies live in their own little world, one I don't care to have any part of.
 plenty_cute
Joined: 6/2/2006
Msg: 43
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/2/2006 10:39:05 PM
been there did that, never again, once a coke head/crack head always a crack head. people who use drugs are weak, they can't deal with their problems or stress in a sober way, come on now. Everyone has stress in today's world, doing drugs is just an excuse. It's all in their head anyway, if they were weak enough to start in the beginning they will remain weak. It's how they were/are built.
 Ineedewe
Joined: 12/11/2004
Msg: 44
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Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/2/2006 10:42:23 PM
Depends on what the addiction was. A lot of ex-junkies suffer from diminished capacities ..
AND if they've been tested for the various Heps and HIV.
 DacaInaru
Joined: 8/18/2005
Msg: 46
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/3/2006 7:06:47 AM
I did.. but.. he had been clean over 10 years.. and works as a social worker helping other who are trying to get away from their addictions.. I think its possible for people to change.. and I dont think someone's past should be held against them.
 lady_502
Joined: 10/8/2005
Msg: 50
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/4/2006 1:37:55 PM
i applaud all those who have truely cleaned up and stayed clean, however ive seen too many clean up and then resume , my brother has cleaned up many times and then went right back to it..........cowboy, you sound like your on the right track, i wish you luck , but my answer would still be no, i lived through an abusive relationship due to alcohol and drugs, his habit, not mine, i dealt with the crying, begging to be given another chance and in the end it was always the same.
 lady_502
Joined: 10/8/2005
Msg: 52
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/5/2006 11:24:35 AM
you sound like your doing great cowboy, and i think its commendable that you chose to leave a relationship rather than hurt someone, have you considered being a counselor to kids in trouble? you could share how youve turned your life around.
 a_vamp
Joined: 4/24/2004
Msg: 54
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/12/2006 7:20:04 AM
To the OP,

I assume you're referring to "drugs" here?

If the person's been cleaned up for years and is currently leading a very sober life, then yes. I will date him. I will give someone a chance.


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 LoboBlack
Joined: 5/26/2006
Msg: 55
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/12/2006 7:47:32 AM
I have and I would. I have respect for the strength is takes to overcome such an obstacle.
 Smily_face
Joined: 2/1/2006
Msg: 56
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/12/2006 7:59:49 AM
NO! My ex had a drinking problem, stopped drinking for 15 years and we were happy but as soon as things werent perfect, instead of working them out, he started drinking again and it was hell.
 ginibin
Joined: 5/14/2006
Msg: 57
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/13/2006 7:50:09 PM
The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. With some exceptions, I'm sure, but an exceptional person is easily seen.

Gini
 confused19
Joined: 3/16/2006
Msg: 58
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/13/2006 8:44:45 PM
Drugstorecowboy,

Absolutely I would. It would be important that he/she really is clean, but for all those saying there is no such thing as an ex junky, you obviously have no experience of AOD rehabilitation.

Im 19, and I've beaten a heroin addiction. It doesn't make me a bad or a weak person; I think a lot of the people that have beaten it have a maturity and strength of purpose that you don't see among their peers. And also, I've found, a much greater appreciation of life and love. For me, once I was clean, it was no barrier to a loving and fulfilling intimate relationship; and in some ways strengthened it.

Most people when they hear junkie think a black, crack mother with 9 babies hanging off her. Its easier to demonise when you ignore the fact that a large proportion (if not a majority) are white and middle class (just like a majority of Americans, you see we're not monsters, we're not "different").

I want to stress, the only barrier that a previous drug addiction puts in front of you is in the minds of the ignorant lumpenmasse.

Its oh so comfortable to be criticising junkies when a fifth of you are shoving ritalin and prozac down your kids throats (and even your own, great role model). That shit rots holes in your brain, but somehow taking a drug (opiates) that are not toxic to living cells, has a long history of safe use, and is known to mitigate pain, is the worst evil imaginable.

Give me a ****ing break. The double standard and the hyprocrisy is rather breathtaking.
 confused19
Joined: 3/16/2006
Msg: 59
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/13/2006 9:07:22 PM
I was going to point out that George Bush Snr was an opium addict following World War 2 (nickname:poppy george); but now that I think about it, ,maybe he's not such a good example to prove my point ;-)
 ginibin
Joined: 5/14/2006
Msg: 60
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/13/2006 10:03:23 PM
"Most people when they hear junkie think a black, crack mother with 9 babies hanging off her."

Who is most? we speak for most, now?

Being a person who lived in white middle class MOST of my life, the ONLY junkies I met were white middle class-actually never met or seen the mythical black junkie welfare mama with 9 babies hanging off of her. I, then, of course, like MOST of the white middle class people I know, associate the term *junkie* with white middle class. Funny how that works.

You're 19? exciting. Bucko, when you've been clean ten times as long as you've been not clean, we'll talk. If you don't want people being all 'tude on you, don't 'tude us before we even get the chance to talk. It's not like I lived in a closet all my 38 years, I think I experienced a thing or two, including watching ex-junkies (white middle class) go back to the junk when times got tough. My friend stayed clean 15 years, then a doc gave her oxycontin for her shoulder and that was all she wrote. My step-father has stayed sober for 25, it looks good at this point. There are exceptions, you may be one, I hope so.

I do know this, anger, blame, and the *everybody is accountable but me -yer all a bunch of loser hypocrits!* attitude is the path to failure.

Stop and smell the roses and realize that a chip on your shoulder does not equal maturity.

Gini
 confused19
Joined: 3/16/2006
Msg: 61
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/13/2006 10:46:26 PM
3 years out of 19 years, I guess thats longer clean than not.

My point is that there is a huge double standard. Americans won't go out with an ex-junkie, but you will elect one President. Great logic there.

You might have a decent attitude towards drug addicts, but most don't. In fact, their attitude stinks when they are gobbling ritalin and prozac and oxycontin, and yet somehow that does not equate with being a drug addict. Again, I'm not saying this is you, but it is a large proportion (35% of adults on prescribed psychotropics, 15% of kids). The hypocrisy is extremely exasperating because most people will live their lives in ignorance.

I would say exactly the same thing, (maybe not to you, but it is a majority considering the way public policy is implemented), wake up and smell the roses. You are turning your kids into drug addicts, but somehow that's ok, because its from big pharma.

Of course no one will admit any responsiblity (I admit, its mine too) for the fact this happens, but it does, and the fact that it is happening means that peeps aren't doing enough.

But I'm getting off topic, I would date an ex drug addict. I'm not saying that I would date all of them, but as a principle, I wouldn't write off a person just because of that past. ANd again, my personal experience, completeley anecdotal, the ones that get off tend to have those qualities that I mentioned above, the troubled ones unfortunately often do not get off, and end up 40 and toothless.

Re: 'tude, or whatever you call it, yes I realise that its bad to be passionate about something like this, I'm bad that I pointed out the mass hypocrisy. Go back to sleep folks, nothing to see here
 confused19
Joined: 3/16/2006
Msg: 62
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/13/2006 10:46:36 PM
3 years out of 19 years, I guess thats longer clean than not.

My point is that there is a huge double standard. Americans won't go out with an ex-junkie, but you will elect one President. Great logic there.

You might have a decent attitude towards drug addicts, but most don't. In fact, their attitude stinks when they are gobbling ritalin and prozac and oxycontin, and yet somehow that does not equate with being a drug addict. Again, I'm not saying this is you, but it is a large proportion (35% of adults on prescribed psychotropics, 15% of kids). The hypocrisy is extremely exasperating because most people will live their lives in ignorance.

I would say exactly the same thing, (maybe not to you, but it is a majority considering the way public policy is implemented), wake up and smell the roses. You are turning your kids into drug addicts, but somehow that's ok, because its from big pharma.

Of course no one will admit any responsiblity (I admit, its mine too) for the fact this happens, but it does, and the fact that it is happening means that peeps aren't doing enough.

But I'm getting off topic, I would date an ex drug addict. I'm not saying that I would date all of them, but as a principle, I wouldn't write off a person just because of that past. ANd again, my personal experience, completeley anecdotal, the ones that get off tend to have those qualities that I mentioned above, the troubled ones unfortunately often do not get off, and end up 40 and toothless.

Re: 'tude, or whatever you call it, yes I realise that its bad to be passionate about something like this, I'm bad that I pointed out the mass hypocrisy. Go back to sleep folks, nothing to see here
 confused19
Joined: 3/16/2006
Msg: 63
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 6/13/2006 11:02:15 PM
I would admit though, you make a good point about talking about other people in isolation. Its true, if you guys are putting your kids on those drugs, then I also have responsibility, I vote, I pay tax, I agree with you there.

I would say though, that being 19, I haven't had that much of a chance to lead by example , I certainly won't be putting my kids, if i have kids, on these drugs and by practicing what I preach, hopefully I can show other people that there are always choices.



I'll concede that though, I was being a wanker. I just find the misplaced sense of superiority that peeps have, of dangerous psychotropics over safer illicit drugs, is hypocritical in the extreme, and very exasperating.
 bulldog1966
Joined: 6/21/2006
Msg: 64
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Posted: 7/2/2006 3:53:14 AM
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN EX-JUNKIE. Once a junkie, always a junkie. People go 20 yrs clean, then one day, wham! They're stoned again, and your stereo is missing.
 BeautifulDreams
Joined: 5/4/2005
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Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 7/2/2006 4:06:12 AM
From my experience a junkie once he is cleaned up.. is no worse than an alcoholic...
Biggest drug problem in America today is not necessarily drugs but alcohol... but both are bad
 dorkykittygurl
Joined: 6/1/2006
Msg: 66
Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 7/2/2006 4:17:08 AM
I met a guy when he was going through a rehabilitation program. it wasn't easy...we got to see eachother one day every other week. that went on for 6 months so it wasn't like we could get sick of eachother. definitely not the standard courtship. we spent 3 years together and wanted to get married at one point but in all honesty...i think that the problems that he had before his addiction...lead to the drug use. he became a much better person as we dated. he really got his shit together and went back to school and became a flight instructor since he had already had a pilots license.

so i think that anyone planning on dating anyone with any kind of addiction should be a little cautious. most addictive behavior has a catalyst that directed them to their vices. most "well adjusted" people dont decide to do heroin b/c they think it will be a good hobby.

another thing to be cautious about is their health b/c your lovers health directly affects YOUR health. IV drug use can bring a lot of problems to a persons life, like hep c and aids and other bodily fluid transmittable diseases. luckily for me he had been tested so many times due to rehab and by his task officer. their mental health can also be severely affected and from the experience that i went through, it's not always easy to deal with.

i totally believe that people can recover from the disease of addiction but a piece of those people will be forever lost. all in all it's definitely a learning experience and truely made me a stronger person. plus, now i know...NEVER DATE AN EX JUNKIE EVER AGAIN!
 junglemel
Joined: 1/9/2006
Msg: 67
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Posted: 7/2/2006 4:27:12 AM
Crack Head here. Yes....Once an addict, always an addict. I have to think that way......it keeps me clean. Ignorant people told me I couldnt get clean. I think it is best if a person that is ignorant about addictions not date an addict. Mel
 Harry Peter
Joined: 6/28/2006
Msg: 68
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Posted: 7/2/2006 4:34:09 AM
I would date a junkie or ex junkie if they're hot.
 bulldog1966
Joined: 6/21/2006
Msg: 69
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Posted: 7/2/2006 4:51:38 AM
Every addict I've ever met has the same line: Bad stuff happened to me, I was abused, nobody loved me, whatever. Lots of people have had it rough and didn't turn to dope. Bottom line? IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!! My son's mother left us for drugs, when he wasn't quite 4 months old. Didn't see her again for 16 yrs. Losers get high, because they can't handle the fact that they're losers.
 Billbutler8
Joined: 3/12/2005
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Would you date an ex-junkie who's cleaned up his act?
Posted: 7/2/2006 5:20:35 AM
likely not as I believe alcohol/drug addiction an external manifestation of a much more deeper psychological problem, or a self medicating coping function of a treatable bio chemical imbalance.

So if the question is would I date a problem substance abuser, merely because she had kicked the physical habit? No, as it is very likely she would at some point get back on the junk.

This is why they say "once a junkie, always a junkie"

If the question is would I date someone who was formerly a junkie, who had identified their underlying problems which caused them to drink or use excessively, (example, biochemical imbalance as in bi polar, treated and maintained on meds.) and has done the work necessary to overcome and maintain treatment of their problems, maybe.

I would definately be checking for STDs before entering into a sexual relationship, as junkies fall into that high risk group.
 mizsass1
Joined: 6/4/2006
Msg: 71
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Posted: 7/2/2006 7:56:29 AM
If an ex-junkie has really cleaned up his act...has some recovery time of at least a year or more and truely works the steps I think someone interested should give him a chance.....it's always a tenuious deal with addicts....but they are normally wonderful if they stay clean and work a program
Annie
 Bryantinfl
Joined: 1/4/2006
Msg: 72
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Posted: 7/2/2006 8:08:12 AM
The very thought terrifies me.
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