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Joined: 2/14/2005
Msg: 26
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Lets see....... we have Orangemen parardes.....St Patrick's day parades....Easter parades.....just to mention a few others.

I'm neither Prodistant or Catholic, and I don't believe in God, but I'm not going to say they can't have parades to celebrate what they wish. Why should anyone protest the Pride parade. It's fun, been going for years, and I'm straight. If you lived in a cave, oblivious to the great big ole world out there I can see being shocked at it, but for the most part it's a hoot. If you don't like it stay away. Simple. Also, anything that brings that many tourists into TO can't be a bad thing now can it.

Straight but proud of my gay friends.
Joined: 1/16/2006
Msg: 27
Gay Pride Parades
Posted: 7/25/2006 11:47:09 AM
I think in making a comparison of what gays are trying to establish to what say the blacks have established through slavery/racism to women rights to equal treatment of other minorities is so wrong. First, gays are about having their sexual life style accepted and as seen normal. They want people to see it a normal act for a guy to bugger another guy or a girl to eat out another girl etc. That is not a cause like the afore mentioned. No one on this earth has ever fully accepted the gay lifestyle for equal footing among everything else in society. People have seen it as not the well or correct way to live life. Why? I have no idea why. I myself am not against anyone being gay. I do think it is wrong to celebrate one's sexuality (whether hetro or gay) as is done in gay parades. Nothing good comes from such a demostration of such. If something good came from having parades where you displayed your sexual orientation in the streets to tell everyone your proud you bugger your partner and are a great head giver/slit licker, don't you think the hetros would have been doing it long before the gays began doing it? Can you imagin a hetro parade where huge beds are on the back of decorated trucks and several people (all hetros) are pretending to be doing each other while swapping partners? Hetro men and women chasing each other about the vehicles, the females scantilly dressed and the men with strap on dildos pretending to be sexually excited? Big ballons of males and females in different Karma-Sutra positions?
Gay parades are essential used as an advertising means to show the public that what they do is becoming more and more accepted by society as a whole. The psychology here which has always been used in anything for the public is the more you force the public to become accustomed to something, the more they will tolerate and sooner or later come to accept it. Those in the parades do not always understand the real meaning, purpose and design of gay parades as established by those first fighting for their sexual rights to come out of the closet and to become accepted by society. To gays today, it is a great day to get out, to dress up wildly, wave signs of "gay pride" etc., and to just have fun. When gay parades were first established, they were used as an act of warfare against those not wanting them to come out of the closet.
People have always had problems with any type of sexuality being pushed on them whether it came from an adult porno shop people fought against to not have in their neighborhood or city to the Mardi Gras or a gay parade.
Their are all different types of ways to dress up in outlandish costumes for a parade rather than adding sexuality to it. That is the fact. We had the local stripper bars in a parade up here one year. The male and female strippers and dancers might as well of been nude. Many did not know they were in the parade so thousands of children got plenty to see and it pissed folks off. They have never been back in the parades because they won't "dress down" for the kids that will be there. They think the kids should be subjected to anatomys of male and female strippers and dancers in thongs, tiny bikinis etc.
Joined: 6/30/2005
Msg: 28
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Posted: 7/25/2006 11:55:39 AM

I am all for equality. But in a public event where children will be, I don't think a person's sexuality is an appropriate topic.

I would not support a straight parade either.

But getting back to the gay pride thing. These hurt homosexuals drive for equality anyway. The reason is, many of these guys dress up in exaggerated 'costume' to look more gay. Then, that becomes representative of that gay community and the rest of the community assumes that this is what gay people are.
Joined: 3/30/2006
Msg: 29
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Posted: 7/26/2006 12:58:34 AM
Actually your wrong. When straight pride posters went up at the college my brother went to, those responsible were ordered to take them was considerd to be promoting an intolerant environment and the term "hate crime" was thrown around.

First off, it's not a double standard since no one is saying that they can have a parade and you can't
I dare you to even mention starting a straight or White (or both) pride parade and see how "equal" we really are...if you are lucky you will have a police escort to protect you from your tolerant bretheren who have shown up to beat you till you are tolerant like them.
As for opression show me one group of people who haven't been opressed...and equallity, only when we are dead are we equal, and even then rarely. Nature discriminates and so do you.
KKK? I love it! Typical reaction from left field and a warning to anyone who dares to challenge or dissagree; your free to speak your mind as long as it is what they want to hear or we will call you a facist....commie....witch. That kind of totalitarian censorship would make a racist proud, at least the klan have the integrity to be honest about thier bigotry and wear their sheets on the outside. Funny you should bring the KKK up though, as that organization was the result of a dominantly British/German North's millitary opression on a mostly Irish/Scottish South (an extention of old world politics in the new), in fact the racist stereotypes existing prior to the civil war towards the South are still in cracker Whites have NEVER been the object of persecution in America (north or south) or anywhere else.
Joined: 3/6/2006
Msg: 30
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Posted: 7/26/2006 1:20:48 AM
I can't believe people make such a big deal out of this it is like 2006...for crying out loud....
I just don't understand it.....
Joined: 8/25/2005
Msg: 31
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Posted: 7/26/2006 4:03:31 AM

No one on this earth has ever fully accepted the gay lifestyle for equal footing among everything else in society.

You should try learning some history before posting stuff like this. During the time of the Roman Empire, homosexuality was vast. Most Emperors including Constantine were either gay or homosexual.

Actually your wrong. When straight pride posters went up at the college my brother went to, those responsible were ordered to take them down

Well the first mistake made here was to try to put these posters on private property. Secondly, I don't know what the posters said, or the reason behind putting them up, but I can easily assume that they were done to mimic and insult the gay pride population (which as you can imagine would be the wrong reason). I can see a college not wanting their students in turmoil. This could mean a serious attendance drop and lack of funding. It's just bad PR.

if you are lucky you will have a police escort to protect you from your tolerant bretheren who have shown up to beat you till you are tolerant like them.

To be "tolerant" of a situation means that you don't agree with it, but you let it happen because you don't think that your opinion matters enough to be able to change it. There is very little that I am tolerant of, and I am not tolerant of anything that deals with racism or sexism. This means that I either accept it or I don't. It doesn't mean that I "tolerate" it.

at least the klan have the integrity to be honest about thier bigotry and wear their sheets on the outside.

You call hiding your identity honest? Not only is it dishonest, but it is cowardly.
Joined: 1/16/2006
Msg: 32
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Posted: 7/26/2006 1:09:21 PM
Hey Swindol, I am guessing that either you have (1.) not did gay Greek and Roman history very well or (2.) are leaving out some tid-bits a lot of pro-gay would not like to think about. Such as the Greek and Roman male gay societies were mostly pederasty, what we now refer to as "pedophilies." And to state a quote from a gay web site, "The Roman societies were very tolarant of the gay lifestyles." I find it a real shame that all those linking gay rights for parades, marriage, etc., is always linked to Greek and Roman societys of gay men that mostly favored buggering young Roman boys and young boy slaves of different ethnic backgrounds rather than men of their own age.

There is a big differance between watching a gay parade and a gay parade based on their sexuality.
Joined: 12/31/2004
Msg: 33
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Posted: 7/26/2006 2:00:37 PM
As my child grows up...i will accept any path he decides to follow...

that being said... sexuality is going to be a big sticking point. There are so many displays of sexuality these wonder people are confused. If my child decides he is gay...well then great! you found yourself! ...but what brought him/her to this point?

Society shows them that gay people like to have parades where the main theme is gang bangs and careless sex. Ok, it means more to alot of people....but think of an 8 year old sitting in front of the tv watching this display. all they know is what they see.

To me these parades do not represent the gay community at all, only a fraction of it. There are tons of gay people that lead regular lives, work the same crap jobs and give to the community as much as the hets out there...

I will tell my child "these parades mean nothing about being gay, these are just a bunch of kids that want to scream how they want to bugger each other up the pooper"

If after being informed that gay pride parades have nothing to do with homosexual sexuality, but are all about a big display to "stick it to the man", and my child still decides he's into the freaky displays of sex, well, he made his choice. at least it was his own choice...

On the same token, if he decided he would like to explore his homosexual side but was turned off by these parades, that would be a shame...everyone needs to be themselves.

Same goes for hetero sexuality...I'm actually waiting for the day that the lack of sexuality in the media and such become a

This goes further than celebrating...childrens minds are easily influenced and imo the shock value of any sexual act isn't work the cost to our confused kids heads.

Not all gay people are flamers!

and yeah im straight..I've discussed this with alot of my gay friends, and surprisingly enough, after my first line where i state im anti-gay pride parade, they are usually with me all the way.
Joined: 6/8/2006
Msg: 34
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Posted: 7/26/2006 4:21:23 PM
Thank you everybody for not judging me on my last post.Even though I said I was streight, attracted to men and proud of who I am, I will now say this: I have a gay friend. I love him to death. He is full of humer. He makes me laugh all the time.Not only is he gay, he is black.He is as gay as a feiry and black as coal, but he is one of my best friends.But he does not advertise by wearing womens cloths.I think he respects himself and others not advertising his sex life.He tells me about his male friends as I tell him about by male friends.If gay marriages ever become legal and he decides to marry a man, I will be there for him. I may not approve or want it for me, but I will respect him.
Joined: 8/25/2005
Msg: 35
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Posted: 7/26/2006 6:03:00 PM
Alaska 2004. I am confused. First you stated that...
No one on this earth has ever fully accepted the gay lifestyle for equal footing among everything else in society.

But then you said...
And to state a quote from a gay web site, "The Roman societies were very tolarant of the gay lifestyles."

So are you admitting that your first statement is not accurate? If so, what else may you be saying that isn't entirely accurate?

One more point.
Such as the Greek and Roman male gay societies were mostly pederasty, what we now refer to as "pedophilies."

Do you know why the word "pedophilia" was not coined until the 1900's? Because until the last 100 to 125 years, it was quite acceptable, even in our own country, for the younger community to have sex. In the "Old West", the average age for a girl to start a career in prostitution was 14. Many started younger than that. By standards today, would this also not be considered pedophilia whether it be straight or gay? I am not at all justifying pedophilia or saying that it isn't wrong, but I am simply pointing out that what we found acceptable only 200 years ago is now punishable by imprisonment. If that was only 200 years ago, don't you think their mentality might have been even more different 2,000 years ago? Pedophilia wouldn't have been as bizarre since at the age of 13 one was considered to be an adult.
Joined: 5/25/2006
Msg: 36
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Posted: 7/26/2006 8:58:05 PM
Sorry, folks - I've been "not here" for a few days, and I guess it's taken me a bit to respond

RS - you totally twisted, misconstrued, and I can only assume deliberatly misread my post.

The problem with the SOCIAL equality of gays is not people like me. The problem is with guys LIKE Joe. Doesn't matter how repulsive you think it is, doesn't matter how ignorant or bigoted it is, it still IS - and you're gonna have to deal with guys like him for at least a generation before it changes.

LEGALLY, gays have (generally speaking) gotten rid of most of the inequalities in the system. There's gonna be little catchups and wrinkles to be ironed out over time, but the bulk of the job has been done.

The problem now is the "hearts & minds" campaign. Does it matter how proud you are of being gay, if you still have wankers throwing gays off bridges, or tying them to fenceposts and stoning them to death?

That's not a legal issue. That's a social, societal and attitudnal issue. And THAT is where the gay pride parades are counter-productive.

As long as guys LIKE Joe exist - as long as their sons and daughters take their queues from their parents - those Carmen Mirandas WILL be counter-productive.

When Joe's been duckhunting and comes home and tells his son "You know, maybe queers aren't so bad after all - god knows Jim is one hellova shot", THEN you will make progress. THAT is when you will start seeing a real reduction in hatecrimes aimed at homosexuals.

But as long as the face of gay pride Carmen Miranda, Joe's gonna think that they're just as weird as little red men from mars.

That may not be nice, or PC, but it's reality.
Joined: 6/27/2006
Msg: 37
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Posted: 7/26/2006 9:37:21 PM
Parades are cool...............
Joined: 3/30/2006
Msg: 38
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Posted: 7/26/2006 11:14:42 PM
First of all colleges and universities are not private property they are public. Secondly the posters had every right to be up and were no more antagonizing to the public than the gay pride posters, and their removal resulted in bad publicity for the school as it infringed on the freedom of speech for straights (who incidentally provide much greater funding than gays to post secondary as a matter of sheer demographics). If you want antagonism, dozens of gays singing "gong to the chapel and were going to get married" in a recent "pride" parade before news cameras may qualify.

I am not tolerant of anything that deals with racism or sexism

You're probably much more tolerant of those two words than you think, your just not looking hard enough around you...a symptom of the selective blindness of the politically correct.
What I was saying about the Klan was they don't hide behind a false set of values to "mask" their bigotry unlike 90% of the politically correct who are every bit as intolerant and bigoted; in this sense the Klan are being very honest unlike most. And if you think it cowardly to put on Klan robes and march in public knowing that your health and safety will be jeopardized may I suggest you give it a shot. The real cowards are those wearing the ski masks throwing feces and other debris knowing that numbers, and often the law are on their side.
Joined: 3/30/2006
Msg: 39
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Posted: 7/27/2006 12:14:01 AM

until the last 100 to 125 years, it was quite acceptable, even in our own country, for the younger community to have sex.

The life span was often much shorter, and the union was between a male and female for the purpose of procreation.
You are confusing the grey area as to when sexual maturity is achieved and out right molestation (in Canada the age of consent is 14....there is a push currently to have it raised to 18). Tiberius's "tadpole’s" were often much younger than 13, the army of Sparta began boys military training at about age 5, this training at the hand of a veteran to whom they would be given included molestation.
If gays are going to turn to ancient Greece or Rome as a gauge to measure their freedoms we can only wonder as to what is next as the "sexual revolution" steamrolls over morality looking for new barriers to smash, perhaps our good friend Andrea Dworkin can give us all an insight...from her book "Woman Hating" (1974):

The parent-child relationship is primarily erotic because all human relationships are primarily erotic. The incest taboo is a particularized form of repression, one which functions as the bulwark of all other repressions. The incest taboo ensures that however free we become, we never become genuinely free. The incest taboo, because it denies us essential fulfillment with the parents whom we love with our primary energy, forces us to internalize those parents and constantly seek them...
The incest taboo does the worst work of the culture: it teaches us the mechanisms of repressing and internalizing erotic feeling -- it forces us to develop those mechanisms in the first place; it forces us to particularize sexual feeling, so that it congeals into a need for a particular sexual "object"; it demands that we place the nuclear family above the human family. The destruction of the incest taboo is essential to the development of cooperative human community based on the free-flow of natural androgynous eroticism (Dworkin 1974, p.189).

...she goes on to endorse bestiality a little later...perhaps in 20 years we can have a parade for that too.
Joined: 1/16/2006
Msg: 40
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Posted: 7/27/2006 12:27:02 AM
You don't need to feel confused Swindol, if your my age it'll come naturally!

The Greek societys were the only known society on record where gayness was nearly the preferred way of sexual relations. What I said was easy to understand. There has never been a gay society that walked in total equality with a hetro society from it's begining to it's ending. Some came close but still did not meet full acceptance. Among the oldest laws recorded in clay from Babylonia, 2285-2240, King Hammurabi had a law of death for any soldier knowing another soldier. Other societies had death laws against gay sex, mainly men to men. I rarely saw anything of women to women. So my first statement remains as stated that no society or culture has ever fully accepted or revered more the gay life style. The gay life style has had it's place but that is all. And to my research, only to Roman emperors were "gay." Elagabalus and Hadrian. The rest were straight or bi. But just because an emperor was gay does not mean the whole of Roman society was gay. Much of Roman society was hetro and bi.
Of young girls being had by older perv's, I totally agree it was done. But it was not done out of pure lust as is the case today. From the 1800's back the life expectancy age was very short. If you lived to see 40 you were doing really well! People knew next to nothing of how to fight dieases to prolong life. So older guys did get married off to younger girls so they could start popping out the kids. Many dieases killed babies and children. So the more kids a female could have, the bigger chances you stood of having a few live past their teens. This practice of marrying young girls to older men was known about in societies all around the world. It was done to increase populations.
But to take a young person for the only purpose to have pleasure with when their are people your own age, populations have frowned on this for 1000's of years.
And as you pointed out in an earlier post, being "tolerant" does not mean you are acceptable of something. It just means your putting up with it.
Joined: 7/16/2006
Msg: 41
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Posted: 7/27/2006 4:15:11 AM
These parades do not represent the majority of our homosexual population and simply give the right-wing something to feed off of. They are a disgrace to mainstream gay people and simply another example of freedom of speech being misused by extremists. I particulary hate their characterizations of the Catholic church in these parades, but so be it. This is America afterall, and I find these parades to be no more "out there" than the policies and actions of the current whitehouse administration.
Joined: 8/25/2005
Msg: 42
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Posted: 7/27/2006 4:50:17 AM

You are confusing the grey area as to when sexual maturity is achieved and out right molestation

I'm not confusing anything. Alaska made the statement that what homosexuals did in the Roman Empire was considered pedophilia. I simply corrected him. At the time, it wasn't considered pedophilia since the people were considered "adults" at much younger ages.

If gays are going to turn to ancient Greece or Rome as a gauge to measure their freedoms

I really don't think gay people will ever turn to any ancient civilization to "guage" their freedoms. I simply pointed out that Alaska's statement didn't hold much water. I strongly think his opinion is based more on assumption than fact. As a matter of fact, he is now claiming that homosexuality was preferred over heterosexuality amongst relationships. I am sorry, but that simply isn't true. If it were, there wouldn't have been such a huge population.

You're probably much more tolerant of those two words than you think

There is a time and a place for everything and sometimes you are simply not in a position to correct or reprimand someone for their racial or sexual ignorance. With that said, I have asked family members to leave my home because of racial slurs. If I here a coworker using them I will try to correct them. It offends me to no end, and I don't mind telling someone that it does.
Joined: 1/16/2006
Msg: 43
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Posted: 7/27/2006 10:11:20 AM
Hey Swindol, you are most definetly not reading my posts for as I answer your questions from research I did to find you an answer. I did not say in any post that the Roman societies used the term "pedophilia." I said that is what we call what they were doing.
And I know now you have not did much research into this matter. Gay historians/activists do use the gay cultures in Greece and Roman cultures and in the Catholic church's past especially, to point out how long the gay life style has been acceptable to the public at large at different times. They present this information like it happens in our time era. But the sad fact is that recorded history shows that gay men loved their stuff as young as it could be in Greek and Roman cultures! We are not dealing with the history of two societies of gay people that were all of the same age catagory. Their out look on sex with young teens and children was so different than our own thinking now!
And you are misquoting me again. State what I said, not what you want it to mean. I said a gay web site made a statement that the gay life style was actually more prefered to the hetro in the Greek societies. That does not mean their were no bi or hetro folks doing it. You need to do a search on Greek/gay societies and learn some history.
Joined: 3/30/2006
Msg: 44
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Posted: 7/30/2006 3:39:04 AM
Well if you want to pick at Alaska, you refute yourself as well.
not only for Gay people, but African Americans, women, and other groups. All of the mentioned groups have overcome cataclysmic discrimination in the past and a parade not only celebrates their achievements thus far, but also keeps the ball rolling so that perhaps someday all people may be treated equally.
If said minorities have overcome as you claim, then for whom else should “the ball keep rolling”? Haven’t these parades outlived their purpose?

I'm not confusing anything

Yes you are, you’re confusing the context of morality of the 1800’s with that of ancient Rome and Greece.
As for gay’s not seeking validation via history (real or fabricated), why wouldn’t they? Feminists have been doing it for years with the conjecture of a pre-historic “goddess” culture. Many blacks have laid claim to being the true founders of Egypt, Greece, and even China (see Farrakhan and Kalhid Muhammad of the Nation of Islam). Your Neo-Classical American architecture heavily draws upon the ancient world for the purpose of associations to power and validation. Minorities, especially those seeking validation, will do likewise…if the ancient kings of Mesopotamia did it why wouldn’t gays?

The racial intolerances that I speak of that you are probably (selectively?) blind to would be the ones right before your eyes. A short list may include the following:
1. The constant representation of the South and Southerners as inbreeding hicks…among other things.
2. The marketing of hate against “Whites” via hip hop, rap etc.
3. The use of, the Aryan archetype as the personification of racist villainy (a good example would be the character Malfoy from the Harry Potter series, or the Ice Queen from Narnia).
4. The consistent representation of Germans and Germany in the context of WWII.
5. The use of racial slurs by the media (cracker, white trash, Nazi, wasp).
6. The use of the term “reverse discrimination”. This term is very damaging as it subtly lays the authorship of racism at the feet of Europeans while it diminishes the seriousness of it’s “opposite”. Minorities never instigating hate, are only victimized by it.
Joined: 3/18/2006
Msg: 45
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Posted: 8/1/2006 9:37:59 PM
The racial intolerances that I speak of that you are probably (selectively?) blind to would be the ones right before your eyes. A short list may include the following:
1. The constant representation of the South and Southerners as inbreeding hicks…among other things.
2. The marketing of hate against “Whites” via hip hop, rap etc.
3. The use of, the Aryan archetype as the personification of racist villainy (a good example would be the character Malfoy from the Harry Potter series, or the Ice Queen from Narnia).
4. The consistent representation of Germans and Germany in the context of WWII.
5. The use of racial slurs by the media (cracker, white trash, Nazi, wasp).
6. The use of the term “reverse discrimination”. This term is very damaging as it subtly lays the authorship of racism at the feet of Europeans while it diminishes the seriousness of it’s “opposite”. Minorities never instigating hate, are only victimized by it.

And here it is, a typical backlash from an insecure white man.
You call these 'racial intolerances'???
A few stereotypes in movies and media? Oh poor you, and poor me; how dare they!?
LOL-as if these things equal the inherent prejudice within Western Society against minorities.
In case you havent noticed, fenrisson, the people with all the power and wealth in this world are still white men, so dont you worry.
Joined: 3/30/2006
Msg: 46
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Posted: 8/1/2006 11:47:50 PM
Till B.Gates sends a check my way instead of to little orphan Amastad you can park the Rich and White rhetoric. Capitalists and politicians are not White, nor are they the benefactors of the White race. They undermine your economies by importing cheap labor and failing that out-source employment. "White privilege" is a Marxist Feminist construct that has no place in is a discourse belonging to 1960 left wing activism.
Last I checked all cultures discriminate, not only "Western" societies, as do all people. Here are some fiends of yours that have a few things to say about Whites (not a few are people of status):

Tyson Leroy Brown (21-year-old Spokane, Washington, black man after walking up to a white student, knocking him unconscious and kicking him)—“I should have kicked him until he’d never get up … I’m a racist, and I hate all you white boys.” [Rob McDonald, Cops Say Student Attacked Because of Color, Spokesman-Review (Spokane), Nov. 19, 2005.]

Dr. Kamau Kambon, former visiting professor of Africana Studies at NC State University, made the following remarks at “Black Media Forum on the Image of Black Americans in Mainstream Media.” This was a program presented on October 14th at Howard University and broadcast by C-SPAN.

“And then finally I want to say that we need one idea, and we’re not thinking about a solution to the problem. . . . And the one idea is, how we are going to exterminate white people because that in my estimation is the only conclusion I have come to. We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve this problem. . . . [We need to] get very serious and not be diverted from coming up with a solution to the problem and the problem on the planet is white people.” Mike S. Adams, Exterminating Whitey, Oct 21, 2005,

Black friend of columnist Carl Rowan on O.J. Simpson: “Doesn’t O.J. know that we can **** ‘em now, but we still can’t kill ‘em?” Carl Rowan, The Coming Race War in America (New York: Little, Brown and Company, 1996), p. 201.

Mario Obledo (former California secretary of health and welfare and co-founder of Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund:“We’re going to take over all the political institutions of California. California is going to be a Hispanic state and anyone who doesn’t like it should leave. If they [Anglos] don’t like Mexicans, they ought to go back to Europe.” [interviewed on radio station KIEV, Los Angeles, June 17, 1998.]

Jeff Hitchcock (co-founder of the Center for the Study of White American Culture)—”There is plenty to blame whiteness for. There is no crime that whiteness has not committed against people of color. There is no crime that we have not committed even against ourselves. . . . We must blame whiteness for the continuing patterns today that deny the rights of those outside of whiteness and which damage and pervert the humanity of those of us within it.” [Chris Weinkopf, “Whiteness Studies,”, June 25, 2003.]

Gregory Jay (English professor at the University of Wisconsin, on the purpose of Whiteness Studies)—“to make visible the history and practices of white supremacy as found in social life, the law, literature, music, politics, and every other realm of our ‘civilization.’ “ [Chris Weinkopf, “Whiteness Studies,”, June 25, 2003.]

Stan Crock (correspondent in BusinessWeek’s Washington bureau)—“minorities—not whites—should be the beneficiaries of both the 14th Amendment and the notion of “strict scrutiny” of racially tinged laws.” [Stan Crock, The Real Affirmative Action Problem, BusinessWeek, May 30, 2003.]

Haunani-Kay Trask (Professor of Hawaiian Studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, and author of the following poem)
Racist White Woman
I could kick
Your face, puncture
Both eyes.
You deserve this kind
Of violence.
No more vicious

Samuel Lin (Asian student at the University of California at Berkeley on what should be done about white men who date Asian women)—“I think we should f—-in’ kill them all. Get your own ladies. Stick to your own
flavor.” [Carrie Chang, “White Light,” Monolid Magazine, Vol. 2, No. 1.]

Carrie Chang (writer for Monolid Magazine on an Asian friend who dated white men)—“Suffice it to say, she was not the only Asian woman I had met with a hankering for Mr. Mayonnaise or marshmallow face.” [Carrie Chang, “White Light,” Monolid Magazine, Vol. 2, No. 1.]

Donna Lamb (member of ‘Caucasians United for Reparations and Emancipation’)—“Knowing what I know about what my people did, I wouldn’t be able to respect myself if I weren’t doing everything I can to have … white people face up to this crime we committed and to right this great wrong.” [Manny Fernandez, Thousands To Rally for Reparations Apology Also Sought For Slave Descendants, Washington Post, August 16, 2002]

David Roediger (social historian at the University of Minnesota)—“Whiteness is the empty and therefore terrifying attempt to build an identity on what one isn’t, and on whom one can hold back.” [The Social Contract, A Europhobia Sampler, Summer 1998, p. 290.]

Grace Watkins (black 18-year-old New Yorker on two policemen killed in a shootout at the Stapleton Houses project where she lives): “I think a lot of people out here weren’t worried about [the killings] because they thought they were white cops. But when they heard the cops were black, they’re attitude changed totally. And they started expressing concern for the police officers’ families.” [Douglas Montero, “Surprising Sympathy Dawns in Projects,” New York Post, March 12, 2003.]

Charles Barron (New York City Councilman, on the subject of reparations for slavery)—“I want to go up to the closest white person and say: ‘You can’t understand this, it’s a black thing’ and then slap him, just for my mental health.” [Deroy Murdock, “Dems Need to Houseclean” National Review Online, January 6, 2003.]

Sharpe James (mayor of Newark, New Jersey referring to his light-skinned black opponent in the 2002 Democratic primary)—“the faggot white boy.” [Deroy Murdock, “Dems Need to Houseclean” National Review Online, January 6, 2003.]

Willie Brown (then-California assembly speaker, after a 1995 victory over Republicans in a leadership battle)—“The white boys got taken fair and square.” When asked by ABC correspondent Judd Rose if he regretted that comment, Mr. Brown replied, “It was an adequate and accurate description of a collection of people who had been defeated on this occasion.” [Deroy Murdock, “Dems Need to Houseclean” National Review Online, January 6, 2003.]

Noel Ignatiev (white Harvard professor and editor of “Race Traitor” magazine)—“Keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females, too, until the social construct known as the white race is destroyed. Not deconstructed, but destroyed.” [Robert Boatman, “Trent Lott’s of the Left,” (online), January 3, 2003.]

Donna Brazile (Director of Al Gore’s 2000 presidential campaign)—“A white-boy attitude is ‘I must exclude, denigrate and leave behind.’ “ [Robin Givhan, Clearing the Decks at Gore Headquarters, Washington Post, Nov. 16, 1999, p. C1.]

Nathan McCall (journalist for the Washington Post in his autobiography “Makes Me Wanna Holler”)—“The fellas and I were hanging out on our corner one afternoon when the strangest thing happened. A white boy … came pedaling a bicycle casually through the neighborhood. … Somebody spotted him and pointed him out to the rest of us. ‘Look! What’s that mother****a doin’ ridin’ through here?! Is he crraaaazy?!’ … We caught him on Cavalier Boulevard and knocked him off the bike. … Ignoring the passing cars, we stomped him and kicked him. My stick partners kicked him in the head and face and watched the blood gush from his mouth. I kicked him in the stomach and nuts, where I knew it would hurt. Every time I drove my foot into his balls, I felt better … one dude kept stomping, like he’d gone berserk … When he finished, he reached down and picked up the white dude’s bike, lifted it as high as he could above his head, and slammed it down on him hard. … We walked away, laughing, boasting, competing for bragging rights about who’d done the most damage.” [Nathan McCall, Makes Me Wanna Holler: A Young Black Man in America, Random House, 1993, p. 3.]

Robin Morgan (white author)—“My white skin disgusts me. My passport disgusts me. They are the marks of an insufferable privilege bought at the price of others’ agony. If I could peel myself inside out I would be glad. If I could become part of the oppressed I would be free.” [Robert Boatman, “Trent Lott’s of the Left,” (online), January 3, 2003.]

Spike Lee (film director)—“When talking about the history of this great country, one can never forget that America was built upon the genocide of Native Americans and enslavement of African people. To say otherwise is criminal.” [Lee Gives ‘The Patriot’ a Thumbs-Down, Los Angeles Times, July 7, 2000, p. F2.]

Spike Lee (film director)—“I’m convinced AIDS is a government-engineered disease. They got one thing wrong, they never realized it couldn’t just be contained to the groups it was intended to wipe out. So, now it’s a national priority. Exactly like drugs when they escaped the urban centers into white suburbia.” [Janet Braunstein, “Spike’s Message Obscured,” Detroit Free Press, Nov. 9, 1992, p. 4F.]

George P. Bush (son of Florida Governor Jeb Bush and his Mexican-born wife Columba, and nephew of the President speaking to a gathering of Hispanics)—“. . . we have to fight for our race, we have to find the leaders who represent us.”[Reuters, Aug. 2, 2000.]

Marcus Jacoby (the only white on the historically black Southern University football team from 1996 to 1998)—“I heard the entire stadium booing me. Fans were yelling ‘Get the white boy out.’ “ Mr. Jacoby left the team because of repeated death threats. [Ira Berkow, Race: “Keeping Score in Louisiana,” The Oregonian, Aug. 1, 2000, p. A6.]

Ann Rhodes (University Relations Vice President at the University of Iowa speaking after it was discovered a black woman staged a phony hate crime)—“I figured it was going to be a white guy between 25 and 55 because they’re the root of most evil.” [Greg Smith, “Black Student Arrested in Racist Threats at Iowa Dental School,” AP, April 20, 2000. Scott Hogenson, “College Official Calls White Men ‘Root of Most Evil,’“, April 21, 2000.]

Ice Cube (black rap musician)—“Ice Cube wishes to acknowledge white America’s continued commitment to the silence and oppression of black men. . . . White America needs to thank black people for still talkin’ to them ‘cause you know what happens when we stop.” [pamphlet included in his 1992 album The Predator.]

Randall Robinson (black race activist and head of TransAfrica, a group that promotes racial solidarity between black Africans and black Americans)—“In the autumn of my life, I am left regarding white people, before knowing them individually, with irreducible mistrust and dull dislike.” [Randall Robinson, Defending the Spirit: A Black Life in America, 1998, p.xiii.]

Randall Robinson (black race activist and head of TransAfrica, a group that promotes racial solidarity between black Africans and black Americans)—“My father died in 1974 at the age of sixty-eight, of what the family now believes to have been Alzheimer’s disease. Toward the end, and not lucid, he slapped a nurse, telling her not to ‘put her white hands on him.’ His illness had afforded him one final brief honesty. I was perversely pleased when told the story.” [Randall Robinson, Defending the Spirit: A Black Life in America, 1998, p.xiii.]

Frances Cress Welsing (black psychiatrist) —”White male homosexuality may be viewed as the symbolic attempt to incorporate into the white male body more male substance by either sucking the penis of another male and orally ingesting the semen, or by having male ejaculate deposited in the other end of the alimentary canal. Through anal intercourse, the self-debasing white male may fantasize that he can produce a product of color, albeit that the product of color is fecal matter.” [Frances Cress Welsing, The Isis Papers: The Keys to the Colors, Third World Press, 1991, p. 47.]

Frances Cress Welsing (black psychiatrist)—“On both St. Vanlentine’s Day and Mother’s Day, the white male gives gifts of chocolate candy with nuts. . . . If his sweetheart ingests ‘chocolate with nuts,’ the white male can fantasize that he is genetically equal to the Black male.” [Frances Cress Welsing, The Isis Papers: The Keys to the Colors, Third World Press, 1991, p. 76.]

Frances Cress Welsing (black psychiatrist)—“Is it not also curious that when white males are young and vigorous, they attempt to master the large brown balls, but as they become older and wiser, they psychologically resign themselves to their inability to master the large brown balls? Their focus then shifts masochistically to hitting the tiny white golf balls in disgust and resignation—in full final realization of white genetic recisiveness.” [Frances Cress Welsing, The Isis Papers: The Keys to the Colors, Third World Press, 1991, p. 141.]

Chancellor Williams (Afrocentrist and author of The Destruction of Black Civilization)—“The necessary re-education of Blacks and a possible solution of the racial crisis can begin . . . only when Blacks fully realize this central fact to their lives: the white man is their Bitter Enemy.” [Phil Collier and David Horowitz, The Race Card, 1997, p. 104.]

Elizabeth Smith (Texaco vice president for investor relations)—“White males are only hired by default,” [Jon E. Dougherty, “White Males Need Not Apply at Texaco,”, March 31, 1999.]

Carol Moseley Braun (former U.S. Senator responding to a column by George Will on her many financial scandals)—“I think because he couldn’t say ‘’ he used the word ‘corrupt.’ George Will can just take off his hood and go back to wherever he came from.” [George Will, Moseley-Braun May Find Defeat, Chicago Sun-Times, Sept. 7, 1998, p. 19. Scott Fornek, Moseley-Braun Writes Apology, Chicago Sun-Times, Sept. 9, 1998, p. 24.]

Rodolfo Acuna (professor of Chicano studies at Cal State Northridge) “There’s a growing feeling ‘Why should we pay for all these senior citizens’ if the majority of them are white and all they were willing to pay for was prisons?” [Jonathan Tilove, Generation Gap Becoming Racial Gap, San Francisco Examiner, Nov. 23, 1997, p. A17.]

Stephen Klineberg (Rice University sociologist on the defeat of a ballot initiative in Houston that would have outlawed affirmative action) “I think this shows that Houston has transcended its redneck Southern past and is recognizing its destiny as a multiethnic, international city in a global economy.” [Jesse Katz, Houston Thinks Globally in OK of Affirmative Action, Los Angeles Times, Nov. 6, 1997, p. A14.] (added 2/05/03)
Amiri Baraka (poet laureate of the state of New Jersey)—“Come up, black dada nihilismus. Rape the white girls. Rape their fathers. Cut the mothers’ throats.” [from “Black Dada Nihilismus”.]

Amiri Baraka (poet laureate of the state of New Jersey) “When I die, the consciousness I carry I will to black people. May they pick me apart and take the useful parts, the sweet meat of my feelings. And leave the bitter bull**** rotten white parts alone. (from his classic “Leroy”) [John McAlpin, “NJ Gov. Seeks Authority to Fire Poet,” AP, Oct. 6, 2002.]

Robert Mugabe (President of Zimbabwe who is taking the land of white farmers and revoking their citizenship)—“Our party must continue to strike fear in the heart of the white man, our real enemy!” [J.T. Young, “Zimbabwean double standard,” Washington Times, January 14, 2003, p. A15.]

Robert Mugabe (President of Zimbabwe who is taking the land of white farmers and revoking their citizenship)—“Zimbabwe is for black people not white people.” [“Zimbabwe ‘Votes’ “ American Renaissance, April 2002, p. 9.]

John Street (black mayor of Philadelphia)—“Let me tell you: The brothers and sisters are running this city. Oh yes. The brothers and sisters are running this city. Running it! Don’t let nobody fool you; we are in charge of the City of Brotherly Love. We are in charge! We are in charge! [Cynthia Burton, “Street Talk Hits a Nerve on Race,” Philadelphia Inquirer, April 17, 2002, p. A1.]

Harris Sussman (white “diversity consultant,” in a front-page article in Managing Diversity, a publication subscribed to by U.S. government agencies)—“When we say ‘white people,’ we mean the people of greed who valued things over people, who value money over people. We know exactly what their values are and where they lead. We have all paid a terrible price for those values . . . .” [White People, Washington Times, Feb. 13, 1997, p. A10.]

William Raspberry (black columnist)- “It is hard to think of whites-only groups formed for the benefit of their members that could gain our approval. Perhaps an organization of white LA police officers formed to help its members improve their attitudes towards minorities . . . . It’s always illegitimate for white men to organize as white men.” [William Raspberry, “Dubiously Exclusive,” Washington Post, Nov. 24, 1995.]

Maggie Gallagher (white columnist)—“I hate the idea of being white. I never think of myself as belonging to the ‘white race.’ Those who do, in my experience, are invariably second-raters, seeking solace for their own failures. I can think of few things more degrading than being proud to be white.” [Maggie Gallagher, “The Rhetoric of Race,” NY Post, Oct. 20, 1995, p. 25.]

Paul Mooney (black comedian)—“White people are scared, because minorities are taking over. White people are worried because they can’t out-f*** the Mexicans —minorities in numbers alone are taking over, and white folks are scared because they are afraid that we are going to do to them exactly what they’ve done to us. And they are absolutely right. When the s*** turns around, we are going to treat you exactly like you’ve treated us: like s***.”[ Danyel Smith, Full Moon, The Bay Guardian, 3/3/93.]

Art Carey (white columnist)—“White Guys also tend to have wide hips, flat butts, bulging love handles, fat guts, sunken chests, weak chins, spindly arms, treble voices, red necks and, after a certain age, thinning hair or bald heads. Some may find these anatomical peculiarities appealing, believe it or not . . . . Think of the most obnoxious White Guy you know. Guess what? He’s going to croak . . . you get to watch White Guys die.”[ Art Carey, “The Great White Dopes,” San Jose Mercury News, June 15, 1993.]

Kay Patterson (state senator in the South Carolina legislature writing in an invitation to black politicians)—“Now please don’t bring any of your ‘White-Friends,’ this is a ‘Colored’ meeting.”[ Patterson offers no apology for actions, Post and Courier (Columbia) 4/5/93, p. 3B.]

Jocelyn Walters (journalism student at the University of Georgia in the campus-related paper called The Red & Black) “I’m talking to you, white America. You’re wrong. You’re evil.... Your greed is overwhelming. Your lust for power disgusting. The blood on your hands signifies what a demon you are. . . . “
“You have always thrived off of the blood and sweat of others. You drink them. It is your sustenance.... You make me sick! Sick with anger. Sick with disgust. Sick with the desire to ruin you like you have ruined so many others . . . . [Jocelyn Walters, “Blacks Should revolt against white, male America,” The Red and Black, Feb 15, 1993.]
Richard Parry-Jones (white vice president of Ford Motor Company)—“we are trapped in a monocultural environment that is dominated by old white males. We need to change.” [AP, Ford Ties Executives Perks Pay to Merit, Dec. 24, 1999.]
Susan Sontag (dead jewosh “intellectual”) “The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean Algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, and Ballanchine ballets don’t redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history.”

Sonny Carson (black activist in New York when asked if he was anti-Semitic) “I am anti-white. I don’t limit my ‘anti’ to just one group of people.” [Mark Mooney, “Ex-Dinkins Organizer Boasts He’s ‘AntiWhite’” New York Post, October 21, 1989, p. 3.]

Miles Davis (black jazz musician) “If somebody told me I had only one hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow.” [Miles Davis Can’t Shake Boyhood Racial Abuse, Jet March 25, 1985.]

Eldridge Clever (former Black Panther leader on why he raped white women) “Rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women . . . .” [Eldridge Clever, Soul on Ice, McGraw-Hill,

Gus Savage (former U.S. Representative from Chicago to a white member of the press) “I don’t talk to you white motherf*ckers. . . . You **** motherf*ckers in the white press. . . . F*ck you, you motherf*cking *sshole . . . white devils.” [Marilyn Rauber, “Reporter Says Black Rep Hurled Racial Slurs,” New York Post, June 27, 1991, p. 18.]
looking at all the evidence there is only one conclusion: white people are devils . . . . I believe that we must secure our freedom and independence from these devils by any means necessary, including violence. . . . To protect ourselves we should bear arms (three handguns and two rifles, maybe an M-16) immediately and form a militia. . . . So black people, let us unite, organize and execute.” [Chino Wilson, “African American Students Should Not Trust ‘Devilish’ White People,” The Daily Collegian, Penn State University, January 28, 1992.]

Khalid Abdul Muhammed (former assistant to Louis Farrakhan—current leader of the New Black Panther Party)—’Hollywood is owned by these so-called Jews. Look at the movies they make about us, Black people killing Black people. Let’s make some revolutionary movies where we kill white people in the movie. Kill ‘em so hard you have to cover up your popcorn from the blood spraying out of the screen.” [Speech at San Francisco State University, May 21, 1997.]

Khalid Abdul Muhammed (on what South African blacks should do to any whites who refuse to leave South Africa): “We kill the women. We kill the babies. We kill the blind. We kill the cripples. We kill them all. . . . When you get through killing them all, go to the goddamn graveyard and kill them a-goddamn-gain because they didn’t die hard enough.”[November 29, 1993 speech at Kean College in Union, New Jersey.]

Mary Frances Berry (current head of U.S. Commission on Civil Rights)—“Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them.” [Civil Rights Under Reagan, San Francisco, ICS Press, 1991, p. 141.]

Augustin Cebada (Head of the Brown Berets, a Hispanic activist organization at a July 4, 1996 rally)—“We’re here today to show L.A., show the minority people here, the Anglo-Saxons, that we are here, the majority, we’re here to stay. We do the work in this city, we take care of the spoiled brat children . . . we are the majority here and we are not going to be pushed around.”

Augustin Cebada “Go back to Simi Valley, you skunks! Go back to Woodland Hills! Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people, it is your duty to die. . . .” [Quoted in Barbara Coe, Reconquista, The Takeover of America, California Coalition for Immigration Reform, 1998, p. 20.]

Prof. Jose Angel Gutierrez (University of Texas, Arlington) “We have an aging white America. They are dying. They are ****ting in their pants with fear! . . . I love it!”—[Speech of Jan. 1995, quoted in Coe, Reconquista, p. 16.]

Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall (in a conversation with Justice William Douglas about racial preferences) “You guys have been practicing discrimination for years. Now it is our turn.” [William O. Douglas, The Court Years 1939-1975, New York, Random House, 1980.]

bell hooks (black professor of English at City College of New York) “I am writing this essay sitting beside an anonymous white male that I long to murder.” [From her book A Killing Rage, quoted by David Horowitz in Hating Whitey, Spence Publishing, 1999, p. 31.]

Sister Souljah (rap artist and black activist) “If black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people.” [R.W. Apple “Jackson Sees ‘Character Flaw’ in Clinton’s Remarks on Racism, New York Times, June 19, 1992.]

Mario Obledo—(1998 Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient and former head of Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund—MALDEF) “California is going to be a Mexican state, we are going to control all the institutions. If people don’t like it they should leave.” [Tom Leykis Radio Show, June 7, 1998.]

Malcolm X—“The death of over 120 white people is a very beautiful thing.” [Speech in Los Angeles on June 3, 1962 upon learning of a plane crash. He also said on numerous occasions, “The white man is the devil.”]

Rev. James Cone—“What we need is the destruction of whiteness, which is the source of human misery in the world.” [Quoted in David Horowitz, Hating Whitey, Spence Publishing, 1999, p. 44.]

Art Torres (former chairman, California Democratic Party)—“Remember, [Proposition] 187 [the measure to cut public benefits to illegal aliens] is the last gasp of white America.” [The Social Contact, Summer 1998, p. 290.]

Willie Brown (Mayor of San Francisco to a white parent complaining that affirmative action would penalize his children) “I don’t care about your idiot children.” [The Social Contract, Summer 1998, p. 290.]

A few stereotypes in movies and media....

Yeah...the media, when has that ever shaped public perception...?
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(Chapters) name a just one outlet peddling prejudice and stereotype.
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Msg: 47
Gay Pride Parades
Posted: 8/2/2006 12:09:01 PM
fenrisson, save it. Im not reading your crap argument. This thread was about gay pride parades, if you wanna talk about racism, then start a thread on it.

Im not denying things are said on either side. But complaining about some character in a Harry Potter movie is downright ridiculous. So is quoting people who are angry at white society, and yes the western world is white society-its all Eurocentric; you just wont admit that. But like I said, if you want to discuss how hard we white people have it, then start your own thread for your soapbox.
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Msg: 48
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Gay Pride
Posted: 8/2/2006 3:39:07 PM
I love living in Montreal! We have the best gay village outside of SF. (look it up we have the largest gay pop outside SF) Have the Gay Games this summer. Gay Parades every summer, and Gay marrige is legal here. Hell i am proud of that, and i am Stright. Yes the Parades are a little over the top at times, but it is fun, more for adults then kids.
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Msg: 49
Gay Pride Parades
Posted: 8/2/2006 7:15:02 PM
Define "White", for that matter, define any other race or culture and you will see how complicated it gets.... start with the term "Asian". Are you implying White people are the same...that's pretty racist? Some people say the media is run by jews, it's the exact same argument your putting forward.
Blanket statements like "it's all Eurocentric" imply much but prove nothing and don't take into consideration complexity (in some circles Semitics and Hispanics are considered White).
I used Harry Potter, as it is the most obvious and simple example of the stereotype that is repeated continuously. Given the huge popularity of the Potter series the effect is going to be much greater than the 15yrs worth of Gov't funded anti-racism adds that display the typical Aryan poster boy as the instigator of hate (later additions included a blonde female office worker).
The quotes are evidence of the effect attitudes such as yours are having and nurturing in Western nations. You institutionalize racism and preach it in your schools the end result is a torrent of hate from "minorities" and self-hating Whites.
The lack of depth and intelligence to your arguments dose nothing but expose an intellectually lazy individual, concerned more with bread and circuses (parades and superficialities in this case) than with critical thought and meaningful reflection as well as voice. Given your obsession with your groins, compelling you to organize expensive and time-consuming bug chasing parades I suppose your devotion to stupidity can be in part understood if not forgiven.
If you want to ignore the evidence go ahead but you may do well to pay attention to this one quote from Mr. Khalid Muhammad, close comrade of Mr. Farrakhan (of N.O.I million black man march infamy), you may find it of interest:

"We kill the women, we kill the children, we kill the
babies. We kill the blind, we kill the crippled, we kill 'em
all. We kill the faggot, we kill the lesbian, we kill 'em
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Msg: 50
Gay Pride Parades
Posted: 8/2/2006 9:47:40 PM
Never been to one. Never seen one anywhere but on television. I'd probably go and check it out if I had the time and the interest but so far, I have neither.

I do know this though : if you drive around a float made to look like a giant penis, you're not going to win anybody over. Don't get mad and call people ignorant for not tolerating that , it's common sense. Just because it's a parade doesn't give people license to ignore basic social etiquette. If you decide to dress in assless chaps and spank a drag queen in front of children on the parade route, it should come as no surprise to you that people have little positive to say about the parade. In fact, common sense dictates that you'll achieve the exact opposite of your goal if it's to promote tolerance and acceptance of your lifestyle (or whatever somebody wants to call it)
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