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 professora
Joined: 7/28/2008
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I was working at a University and my director told me she had arranged for me to "retire" (more ugly but boring details to the story).

To get to the end of this story: I made a complaint at the EEOC (equal employment opportunity commission) and she was let go.

Before the college let her go, she bullied me with curse words, took my books from my desk, interrupted my lectures, & more. I was blessed to find another teaching position & resigned in two weeks.

It's tough to be "mature" but finding work so far has been doable.

I am wondering what other older workers do? I LOVE working and plan to remain employed :)
 Qura
Joined: 8/5/2014
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Posted: 7/18/2015 9:58:22 AM
I love my job--it's not even like work. I'm now a high school special ed teacher--after a long career teaching another subject at college/h.s. levels.

I plan to teach as long as I can--it's got all the rewards of volunteer work but you get paid, and the "downside" of teaching is so minimal (in my opinion and experience).

Except for one thing, of course. Living in WI, it has been very, very difficult lately--I'm honestly a lot more worried about my students than I am about me. It's no secret that Walker and his Koch masters want a society in which money rules all--that hard work *won't* matter (doesn't matter) unless it makes $$$$ for others. The "savings" in property tax "relief" are a joke compared to the actual social damage we are doing. I just hope enough people realize how insane this trajectory is. The brain-drain from WI was bad enough (lots of people leave for better climates), but the pace has accelerated like climate change over the past couple of years, with even great professors (big money makers--in science, for example) leaving b/c they can't risk keeping their kids in public schools and will not endorse the public/private dichotomy being thrust upon them. I just hope that I can finish out my career before the changes make my life too miserable.

I have experienced age discrimination (and sex discrimination) and it's never fun. It's out there--there is no doubt. But fortunately, it hasn't kept me from doing what I want to do. I'm extraordinarily persistent, however, and while that trait has its downside, it has served me well in this regard.
 LetitiaLeGrande
Joined: 3/22/2015
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Posted: 7/18/2015 6:30:39 PM
Being hired for your looks is hardly a new phenomenon. If someone has just average skills and there are many many going for the same job, the best looking one will get it when men are in charge. These hotties are often sexually harassed of course and managers get off on their power to hire and fire. I got a job once in my youth where the manager chose me because I had the biggest boobs, he told me..... many stories like that in my youth. It is interesting that as women reach middle age and menopause the difficulty in getting work corresponds with the lack of sexual appeal and loss of youth. Banks, supermarkets etc., do hire older women and probably some other big institutions
but they seem to be part time only. Call centres and cold calling work is about all that is available to many older people, both sexes.

I do notice that in USA that is not so much the case and many older women are in all sorts of occupations compared to Australia. I was let go in a cost cutting scheme for a large Telco company I worked for as I was the older one and they kept the young blood that had been hired the same time as me.
 bamagrl68
Joined: 11/14/2010
Msg: 54
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Posted: 7/19/2015 12:20:16 AM
Zippylarue- Your friend needs to go online and look up some examples of good resumes and cover letters.
Once he finds some examples he likes, all he has to do is fill in his information based on the example,
Once he is done, he should print several resumes with cover letters.
He should make sure they are saved and then he needs to join job search sites and send his resume and cover letter to as many jobs as he sees matches.
He should tell family and friend's that he is looking and ask him to call him if they hear anything,
He should dedicate at least one day a week to doing nothing but going out with his resume and cover letter and apply to as many jobs as he can.
He should consider at part time job, those could lead to full time and if not, as long as he stays six months, he know has a reference that could lead to a full time job.
A job search should be a take no prisoners, try it all approach.
THAT is how you wind up getting a job.
 dragonbytes
Joined: 12/25/2014
Msg: 55
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Posted: 7/19/2015 5:49:06 AM
Thailand is interesting in that they don't have any laws that I know about concerning hiring discrimination.

So I see ads about wanting a pretty young woman, or wanting a man only, or a certain age range.

Maybe there is a law, if so, no one pays any heed to it.
 LetitiaLeGrande
Joined: 3/22/2015
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Posted: 7/19/2015 11:01:24 PM
This political correctness has gone too far. Employers will hire who they want, at the end of the day. Sexism or ageism is very hard to prove.

Those that send in resumes and not of the right age or whatever, are wasting their time and their applications are just thrown away and often without any acknowledgement of same. Pretending that there is equal opportunity employment is just a farce. At least the Thais are being honest and no one has any false hopes and time is not wasted weeding out the unsuitables.
 Seki1949
Joined: 9/4/2013
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Posted: 7/20/2015 4:06:04 AM
If you are currently unemployed, it is very hard to get hired past a certain age without inside contacts in a professional capacity, Particularly you older 'tech' guys, the 'employment death age' starts in the early 50's and as you approach 60 you will never be re-employed in tech. If the person interviewing you looks to be 12, you are dead meat.

I say this based on personal experience (which means nothing in some respects) and on my current employment. The first six months of my current position I directly took employment and income information for people applying for Obama Care. The number of older individuals and couples in their early 60's who were forced to take social security at the first possible date (with lower monthly payouts forever) was staggering. There are many formerly professional couples living on $1400 a month until death. Many others in their 50's are trying to hang on to the earliest possible SS start date by unemployment benefits, cleaning out their 401 K's, and selling the house. Many of these will not make it to 62 without grinding poverty they are not prepared for.

I got 'expelled' at 55 after 25 years of corporateland. I survived by utilizing my outside contacts, some unique skills, and the attitude toward income of 'anything, anytime, and anywhere'. Interestingly part of the reason I got 'expelled' was my many outside contacts and my unique skills; corporateville frowns on anyone with any signs of independence.

What to do based on my experience? Number One: Cash is King past 50! You really cannot afford that fancy vacation, new expensive toy, or that remodel of your house. You really cannot afford to put your children through more than 4-5 years of college education. You think you can, but you really can't. Debt is Slavery and Life Destroying.

Second, look for government positions filled by competitive testing. Local, state, or federal governments; often you can be effectively hired before they even see your face. You will need to be willing to move to where the jobs are; usually this means near the state capital or near the larger cities in your area. In my case, the interviews that I had for government jobs were more to determine if I would be placed as a manager (or senior tech) or as an entry level line position. Essentially I was already hired, I was just being placed. This is where your good interview skills will make or break you. Personally I think the impact of resumes for our age group is vastly overrated. Resumes need basic competence which as an older professional is given.

The US Census and my state exchange for Obama Care have saved my neck. By the way, I can't afford personal political beliefs and you can't either.

Best to All!
 BlackLady1953
Joined: 5/27/2011
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Posted: 7/23/2015 7:13:56 AM
I retired from my full time job in 2014. I've had a part time job since 2002, which I still have. For a year and a half, I have been unsuccessfully looking for a part time office job. I don't need to make a lot of money, and I don't want benefits. Just a little extra $ cushion. So far, I've only worked temp assignments here and there. I'm getting tired of all the applications and interviews. Going to take my pension check, and Social Security check and ride off into the sunset.
 PassionateSunnyGal
Joined: 7/23/2015
Msg: 59
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Posted: 8/2/2015 12:59:37 AM
I just graduated in December with a Masters, I havent worked since 2002 --I had cancer and then after recovery I went back to college-it was difficult I had severe PCCI (some call it chemo brain) but I realized my choice was being poor forever on disability or doing something to better myself. I started applying for jobs in 2013 and most of the time I get nothing-but the automatic acknowledgement letter that they received my application and will be in touch with me if they feel it's a match. I have lost count of how many different positions I have applied for.

I guess in some ways I should be upset or frustrated or down but I'm not -- yea it hasn't been perfect and it hasn't been easy but at the same time I know that one day I'll get that chance and I think Im worth not giving up--so Im looking at all the different avenues, thinking maybe part-time to supplement my disability, playing the lotto (snicker), marrying rich (bigger snicker), or maybe starting my own company.

The one thing I have noticed is the *whine that many folks my age have, if they didn't get the position it must be age discrimination but when you ask them questions about things you find several common themes. One of the guys I went to high school with worked for one company for 20 years, he was let go and they hired two guys straight out of college--when I pushed for more info (I was pissed off for him) the truth came out that the two guys knew a software he didn't and the firm had been converting to that software and he never bothered to learn it. So basically he was demanding they pay him twice as much for having outdated software knowledge>< ...those are the two biggest factors for most hiring decisions--salary and technology knowledge.

Older people have to stop demanding more than what younger less experience people are getting especially when they don't have the technology they need to continue to be profitable for the company. Learn the technology, the software and you will then be one they count on since you have the experience.
 07songsungblue
Joined: 7/10/2015
Msg: 60
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:38:06 AM
^^ welcome back Giggles. :-)

I just hired a new receptionist. Now I know this is not something huge nor did the position require a degree but the process was similar. The previous receptionist was taking a position within the firm as a legal assistant, a junior. We had a friend of someone in the office do temp work when our receptionist was away on vacation and this temp is my age. I heard after I hired the new receptionist that the temp would have wanted the job. I didn't even consider the temp because she had told me prior that her and hubby travel a lot, a lot, so I'd just end up finding someone to cover for her. Also, she said her husband was retiring in a year and they would be doing more travel. Also, she had not kept up with technology or learned anything beyond typing. I also like to hire a receptionist with the thought that in a year or two they will be ready and willing to learn more and move to another position within the office and that they will stay for a long time. We have staff that have been in our office for 20 years so and its worked for us.

With that being said..I'm moving and will be looking for part time work too and I know that I'm going to run into the same thing...age, plus I only want to work for a couple more years. I work with numbers all day so it's not an issue of keeping up with technology but age will be a factor. I will probably end up doing contract work in accounting on my own which is fine as I don't want the responsibility anymore of business and financial management. I'm winding down and not climbing. I can't fathom nor have the interest in starting a new career now. If I want to learn something new, and I do want to continue to learn, I want it to be for pure knowledge and enjoyment, not work.

Good luck to those in their 50s looking for work.
 tallish3243
Joined: 7/23/2015
Msg: 61
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Posted: 8/2/2015 12:18:04 PM
I have no idea how many people make it these days. The oligarchy has pretty much rigged the system so that only it benefits. The young are underemployed with large., nondischargeable student loans. Older means unemployable. Others are working long hours just to stay even. Corporations show zero loyalty to employees. The only way to make it today is as a competent professional with your own business, a small business owner, or to have an expertise very hard to replace or to be a government employee or to be lucky enough to have a job with a reputable corporation that still has morals and ethics.
 PassionateSunnyGal
Joined: 7/23/2015
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:40:50 PM
Thank you song

btw I was at a hiring event with PWC who stated that their newest policy is to take an individual such as yourself and allow them to work whatever hours they want--so when you are ready to cut back you should look up your local office.

Good luck to you!
 LetitiaLeGrande
Joined: 3/22/2015
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:50:29 PM
When I was looking for work in my late forties and early fifties, I sent out 500 job applications in one year and not one acknowledgement. Thankfully only through email so no postage and paper costs. The hiring personnel are often in their thirties and don't want to have to tell older people what to do and I can imagine how often the older person with more experience etc, would resent having to report to the younger fry.
 anita_lay
Joined: 12/19/2012
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:30:28 PM
A recent Australian study showed that 69 per cent of workers aged 50-plus would not apply for a new job.
Therefore, we would be rare faces at the average job interview.
Also, would YOU have hired someone 20 years or so older than you when you were in your 30s? I don't think so, because the older worker would be seen as a bad fit.
I think the only aspect that's changed about hiring mature workers is ..us. We're experiencing this now. We were the hirers before.
 tallish3243
Joined: 7/23/2015
Msg: 65
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Posted: 8/5/2015 9:47:24 AM
Older people, fifty and up, can get jobs in retail, sometimes as secretaries, greeters, receptionists, etc. What they are not getting are the good and well paying jobs, the ones that lead to career advancement, stock options, etc. There is no question about this. But experience can make a difference to land a good job. Highly specialized knowledge is highly prized by most organizations. Its just that the average person doesn't have this knowledge.
 BlackLady1953
Joined: 5/27/2011
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Posted: 8/6/2015 7:48:08 PM
I was just hired as a part time employee at our county prison, working 20 hours a week. We'll see how that goes. That's as much work as I want to do, anyway, after 45 years of continuous (save for six months), full time employment....since I was 17. I'm burned out working part time in community mental health, and want to transition out of that arena. I was interviewed by people who were "older", and I think it made a huge difference for me.
 norwegianguy456
Joined: 6/11/2015
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Posted: 8/6/2015 8:46:16 PM

Also, would YOU have hired someone 20 years or so older than you when you were in your 30s? I don't think so, because the older worker would be seen as a bad fit.

Why not? If they're good for the job, they're good for the job. If bad, bad. I think there's a bias that they won't be inventive, creative, have energy, etc -- but also there's a bias that they'll be more solid, trustworthy, no-nonsense...
 Seki1949
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Posted: 8/6/2015 11:37:24 PM
^^^

You have much to learn about the world as it is, Young One.
 BlackLady1953
Joined: 5/27/2011
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Posted: 8/8/2015 8:29:32 AM
I like your attitude, Norwegianguy456. If I were 30, I would hire a 60 year old, too. But that's just me. I have always gravitated towards older people, even as a child. (The first nine years of my life, I was raised by my 75 year old godmother). I learned so much from older people that has served me well in life. And the older I get, the more I appreciate the common sense and wisdom they imparted -- and I do the same for young people -- those that want to listen -- and there are, sadly, few of them. Many young people today think the world began the day they were born. So finding an energetic, "curious about the world" young person who wants to learn both the "old" and the "new" is an absolute joy to me. And I am fortunate to have quite a few of those in my friends circle. We learn from EACH OTHER.
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