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 arri
Joined: 10/5/2005
Msg: 3
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Doesn't matter if the photographer added more smoke digitally or not.

Are you saying that the bombing of Beirut is a hoax?

Israeli PR department must be grasping at the straws

Give it up pal ... nobody is buying it here
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
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Posted: 8/6/2006 9:24:32 AM
It makes perfect sense to me,....

who is more quallified than Israelis,....to know what it feels like NOT to have a homeland??????,.....

This is the most hopefull thing I have heard in a great long while,.....

Perhaps there is a chance for peace after all,....

Thanks to all of you who brought this to us here,....
 arri
Joined: 10/5/2005
Msg: 9
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Posted: 8/6/2006 10:35:05 AM

That's what I love about people like you; you purport to speak for everybody.


I only speak for people with double digit IQ or better.

This is a dumb thread with nothing worth discussing.

Beirut was bombed .. is being bombed .. and apparently is going to continue getting bombed. There is no one out there that is going to dispute that.

Some freelance photographer added a little more smoke to make the pictures more dramatic to sell them and that means nothing. Reuters has fired him and pulled out the photos and that's about covers it.
 msquared
Joined: 8/31/2004
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Posted: 8/6/2006 11:05:13 AM

So tell me genius; how does a freelance photgrapher get fired? Wouldn't he have to be an employee for that to happen?


For some news organizations, a freelancer is considered to be an employee, and considers himself/herself as employed by the group in question, and can be fired.
 bob0colo
Joined: 4/9/2006
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Posted: 8/6/2006 11:41:37 AM
For some news organizations, a freelancer is considered to be an employee, and considers himself/herself as employed by the group in question, and can be fired
___________________________________________

the two brit's killed with the CBS reporter last month were freelancers.

So there are no dead babies???? That makes me feel better.

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 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 21
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Posted: 8/6/2006 12:16:05 PM
there are few unbiased people left in the region,....

this site gives you a comment that is being preached to children,....

http://tyros.leb.net/massacres/children.html,...

this is the real insidiousness of war,....the hate buit up during it,....and the aftermath and effect on children that learn these things,...

and even though this is a Lebanese site on Israely's opinions of them the reverse is probably also true,....
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 22
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Posted: 8/6/2006 12:20:32 PM
Does anyone really think this sort of thing is a unique occurence? I was talking to a news photographer about 15 years ago when the first digital cameras were coming out and he was against them because of this very reason. It's far too easy to do a little editing to make the picture better. Most pics you see now in the news have been enhanced a little bit. Some have been enhanced a lot. Years ago some photogs would carry a teddy bear in their trunk and anytime they shot a picture of an auto accident they would place the bear strategically in the shot.
 arri
Joined: 10/5/2005
Msg: 23
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Posted: 8/6/2006 12:37:41 PM
Did this photographer fake the bombing of Beirut?

Is bombing of Beirut a hoax?

So what ????? He added a little more smoke to a panoramic photo to make it look more dramatic .. big deal. Bush wears make up for the TV cameras to look better.

Facts are facts. Lebanon is getting bombed the crap out of.

If you want to argue that, go right ahead ..

This really pathetic and looks awfully like grasping at the straws.
 DJ_Dalton
Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 31
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Posted: 8/6/2006 1:57:42 PM
Too funny,

Israel unreasonably escalated a confrontation, dropped bombs, killed civilians then invaded for more of the same and is going to be compelled to obey a U.N. cease fire, now supported by America because Iman Sistani threatened a Fatwa against the U.S. in Iraq if we didn't condemn the aggression in Lebanon.

Thats not smoke from an illegal and errant Israeli bomb that killed civilians, they were burning frankincense.

On a further ridiculous note the Israeli's were complaining that they were facing a large obstacle in the armament of Hezbollah because their rockets were destroying Israeli tanks. Appparently Israel took a ground mauling.

Thats correct, you read that accurately, Israel thinks an invasive land grab should be without resistance from the indigenous people. They don't like a fair fight.

On a serious note, if you want to ensure peace in the region, the surest way to do so if to support the atomic bomb for Iran. Once Iran has the bomb, Israel will think long and hard about further land grabs.
 rks58
Joined: 1/28/2006
Msg: 32
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Posted: 8/6/2006 2:20:03 PM

A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:

1. Topic A is under discussion.

2. Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).

3. Topic A is abandoned.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim.


Do you mean like this?

Hate Jews much?

It is an open secret that Israel doctors and spins the news to its own agenda and has been able to export that spin to the US. Have you not noticed the difference in language the US media uses? (Palestinians attack/Israelis retaliate, Palestinians die/Israelis are murdered, when an Israeli dies you get interviews with the family and the emotional subtext/when a Palestinian dies there are no interviews and there is no emotional subtext displayed, etc, etc). In the US, among the mainstream media corporations including the AP, open criticism of Israel and showing the Palestinian end of the equation has become a one-way ticket to the unemployment line.

Is it any wonder that some in the middle east would opt to swing to the other end to counter-balance this (as the freelancer form the middle east appears to have done with this photo)?

Reuters is, and always has been the most balanced, showing both sides of any situation because they are the only truly global news agency and aren't beholden to the corporate or national interests of any one country. You did notice that they stopped using that photographers content didn' you?

Fortunately this spin control has not become as entrenched in the European and Canadian (Global being the exception) news corportations and agencies.
 Riick
Joined: 2/9/2006
Msg: 33
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Posted: 8/6/2006 3:17:46 PM

dj_dalton said:
Too funny,

Israel unreasonably escalated a confrontation, dropped bombs, killed civilians then invaded for more of the same and is going to be compelled to obey a U.N. cease fire, now supported by America because Iman Sistani threatened a Fatwa against the U.S. in Iraq if we didn't condemn the aggression in Lebanon.


Too funny twice over, "...because Iman Sistani threatened a Fatwa against the U.S...."

-- As if we're not already the genesis of all evil to the flippin' fanatics.
-- As if they haven't already struck here - or has everyone forgotten the TWO stirkes on the World Trade Towers - the first was a failed attempt - during the Clinton years.
Or the stirikes at one of our naval ships, or the truck bomb at the embassy.

More to the point, the US now supports the cease fire because Israel has acheived its primary goal of destroying (hopefully) the major arms caches, and much infrastructure in Lebanon. Lebanon has been fairly well crippled, thus Lebanon out of the picture for several years. This was the deal between the US and Isreal - it was discussed (weeks ago) at various spots on the WWW as the fighting started.

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 DJ_Dalton
Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 34
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Posted: 8/6/2006 4:56:24 PM

Too funny twice over, "...because Iman Sistani threatened a Fatwa against the U.S...."

-- As if we're not already the genesis of all evil to the flippin' fanatics.
-- As if they haven't already struck here - or has everyone forgotten the TWO stirkes on the World Trade Towers - the first was a failed attempt - during the Clinton years.
Or the stirikes at one of our naval ships, or the truck bomb at the embassy.


Sistani has been a voice of deliberation and reason since the conflict in Iraq started. If some want to dismiss him as a fanatic now that he's called for the U.S. to not endorse the invasion of Lebanon thats their prerogative. The problem is there have been too many of that type in our State Department. Where were the scholars and intellectuals? The answer of course is there were none. They were never included. The customs, history and traditions of the region were not known and the Bush Whitehouse never had a clue.


More to the point, the US now supports the cease fire because Israel has acheived its primary goal of destroying (hopefully) the major arms caches, and much infrastructure in Lebanon. Lebanon has been fairly well crippled, thus Lebanon out of the picture for several years. This was the deal between the US and Isreal - it was discussed (weeks ago) at various spots on the WWW as the fighting started.


Anyone that thinks Israel has dealt a crippling blow to Hezzbollah is completely deluded. Israel had to retreat from the one major ground offensive due to severe damage to their armor. The truth of course is that the offensive went poorly and the Bush Regime was forced to flip flop by the conditions on the ground in Iraq and the ultimatum by Sistani. The conditions being low grade Civil War about to become all out War against a common enemy. America.

Zeig Heil, Meine Fuhrer, Bush for a 1000 years.
 DJ_Dalton
Joined: 7/25/2006
Msg: 36
Unbiased media now running doctored photos from Lebanon
Posted: 8/6/2006 5:45:09 PM
Nice recitation Montreal Guy.

The reality is that the Israelis were taken P.O.W. in Lebanon. The natives did not like their presence. Israel responded by bombing civilians. Whatever the Israeli plan was, it backfired.

When Israel negotiates with the Captors for the release of the soldiers they will call them "Terrorists" and there will be little mention of who started the crisis nor how it was escalated.

There are no good guys there. Taking sides is the epitome of folly.

America needs a new even handed foreign policy, and competent people in the White House.
 Intercooler
Joined: 2/18/2006
Msg: 44
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Posted: 8/7/2006 1:27:21 PM
I'm at least glad to see Reuters took swift and decisive action against the reporter and the processes which allowed this to happen. They have everything to lose if their credibility as a news organization remains in question.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 46
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Posted: 8/7/2006 2:21:50 PM
You're kidding right? How many times has Fox reported that WMD's have been found?
 rks58
Joined: 1/28/2006
Msg: 47
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Posted: 8/7/2006 2:22:14 PM

and I can't recall any instance where Fox was trying to pass off fake pictures or fake documents to support a story.


Whether they have or not I can't say, I've never bothered to scrutinize their photos closely enough to say but I can think of many times they have tried to pass off fake "facts" that fly in the face of documentation and hysteria as the truth.
 arri
Joined: 10/5/2005
Msg: 49
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Posted: 8/7/2006 3:17:56 PM
Little extra smoke on a panoramic photo of Beirut for dramatic effects doesn't constitute misrepresentation of the news. The city is being bombed, there are thousands of pictures from hundreds of sources available and nobody disputes that.

This is a dumb thread ... you guys are still going at it???
 arri
Joined: 10/5/2005
Msg: 53
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Posted: 8/8/2006 10:21:55 AM
"double digit or Better" means from intelligence level of "piece of rock to infinity" ... Better is any number above 10 ... but since you didn't get it, I can only assume that you fall in the rock category.

 canyunflyer
Joined: 2/6/2006
Msg: 57
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Posted: 8/9/2006 10:56:39 AM
Bickering over this expose' of obviously doctored photos will get you nowhere. Anyone should easily see that in the larger war on terror.... sympathetic propoganda is the greatest weapon the terrorist organizations have....and more than that.... it is their ONLY hope of actually achieving any kind of victory. And it is painfully obvious to me.... sympathsizers are predominant on this forum.

I'm thru with reaction and name calling. I am troubled by so many who seem to be incapable of accurately defining the concept of ememy. I would counsel against simply rallying around the so-called underdog. Underdogs are not always right, just by virtue of their status.

I used to think like most of you guys. I bought into the childish and simplistic slogans of the 60s and 70s.... (one of my favorites: 'war is not healthy for children and other living things') Who can argue with that simple statement? But, thats all it is. Its just a simple statement of the obvious, and has absolutely Nothing to do with who, what, why, when, where ect., there is a time and need for conflict. And, contrary to the pop-culture notions that there is no need fo this any more..... unfortunately, there still is.

I only say this to make a point. ( I don't dislike canada...ok) If there were armed groups operating in your country who's agenda was our complete anhilation and they were doing the same kind of crap that hezbolah is doing to Isreal (to us).... you can bet yer tulips it wouldn't be very safe up there! I would hope we would do something... powerful and incisive. And I would hope our friends the canadians would be right there to help! Immediately. If any country allows themselves to be taken hostage by extremest militants.... they should expect unpleasant consequenses. that includes the good Ol USA.

And NO. Bush does not qualify...so please don't go there. thank you.
 Intercooler
Joined: 2/18/2006
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Posted: 8/9/2006 11:36:52 AM

I'm thru with reaction and name calling.


I got a hundred bucks says you won't make it to the end of the week without name-calling, much less being done with it for good......lol.


I am troubled by so many who seem to be incapable of accurately defining the concept of ememy


I'll assume you mean "enemy." I am too. There are still plenty who refuse to see that the enemy is coming from within, and is both a large portion of the cause, as well as the continuation, of most of the terrorism we see in the world. Shame, ain't it? Fortunately, the light bulb is going on for more and more people as they look at the actual evidence, do their own research, and begin to connect the dots for themselves about BushCo. and friends.


I would counsel against simply rallying around the so-called underdog. Underdogs are not always right, just by virtue of their status.


I appreciate you intimating that those of us who don't agree with your right-wing political views are simple-minded dunderheads who can only think about the world using retarded sports analogies.....very nice. At least your putdown was done politely.


I used to think like most of you guys. I bought into the childish and simplistic slogans of the 60s and 70s.... (one of my favorites: 'war is not healthy for children and other living things') Who can argue with that simple statement?


Sorry.......thought you were done referring to people with opposing views as simpletons....I hadn't read your next sentence yet...


But, thats all it is. Its just a simple statement of the obvious, and has absolutely Nothing to do with who, what, why, when, where ect


Oh, you mean like simple statements which are designed to distort and lie and create false perceptions because they have nothing to do with reality? You mean statements like:

"Cut and run" or "Mushroom cloud" or "yellowcake" or "WMD's" ??? Examples like that?


If any country allows themselves to be taken hostage by extremest militants.... they should expect unpleasant consequenses. that includes the good Ol USA.


Huhn! Imagine that. I'll bet OBL and his ilk have said the exact same words........Hunh!
 darjeeling
Joined: 3/11/2005
Msg: 60
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Posted: 8/9/2006 3:25:07 PM
I've stayed out of this thread till now. And before abandoning it completely I will make one comment.


You seem to be missing the point of this thread. These pictures were doctored by the news media itself, and presented as fact


As has been preciously pointed out THAT is NOT the truth at all ... this was NOT the News Media Itself ... although you have gone to extraordinary lengths to SPIN it as such.

This was one lone photgrapher, who motives and agenda are unknown ... it may be surmised that they are concurrently ideologic, nationalistic, and monetary.

Your attempt to tar Reuters with the tainted brush of this photographer's actions seems to have run its course. They have made their amends, posted a retraction, deleted the photo(s) in question and promised to tighten their editorial oversight of alll photographic content.

That seems responsible and reasonable to me.

I will also note the starting date of your membership coincides with published incidents of a virtual army of cyber trolls and Israeli PAC propagandists.

I have no idea if this is a paid cadre or merely volunteers.

I have no 'proof' that such is your specific case Mr Rockwell ... but I do believe you are indeed one.


CIAO Mr Rockwell
darjeeling
 arri
Joined: 10/5/2005
Msg: 61
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Posted: 8/9/2006 3:31:52 PM
^^^ can't you stay and help me make fun of his posts? Not that it takes much work or that I need help .. but then again
 dogar2007
Joined: 5/24/2006
Msg: 62
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Posted: 8/9/2006 9:06:09 PM
I just have one question. Why are all the news photos I have seen from Lebanon? Why are there no pictures of Israelis crying in front of THEIR bombed-out homes?
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 63
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Posted: 8/9/2006 9:09:16 PM
^^^Wish I had your media. All I get to see are pictures of Israelis standing around sites of rocket attacks. If one Israeli dies it's the lead story no matter how many Lebanese died that day.
 rks58
Joined: 1/28/2006
Msg: 64
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Posted: 8/9/2006 9:34:36 PM

^^^Wish I had your media. All I get to see are pictures of Israelis standing around sites of rocket attacks. If one Israeli dies it's the lead story no matter how many Lebanese died that day.


Well, stop watching Global!
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