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 momtomackenzie
Joined: 6/6/2005
Msg: 282
Would you date someone who is on welfare?Page 4 of 28    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28)
@senko
Well, i would like to say that in oregon, at least in salem, who ever is on welfare, DOES have to go throu a training to for a decent job, for that is what i am doing. I began with little to none experience and am now being trained in an office to get the experience that i need to get a job. Yes im on welfare, but i dont sit on my ass and do nothing. I go for 6 hours a day to work. Here they also make u do job search as well as doing the six hours a day. As for what i spend my little bit of money that i do get....which i dont understand why ANYONE would want to stay on welfare for such a little amount, i pay my parents rent, then i pay for car insurance and i pay for my internet. Everything else goes on my daughter for diapers and things SHE needs. Hardly anything goes on me. I dont do drugs and i hardly drink. And i am so ready to get this job training over with and get out on my own. I am working hard to get my life straightened out and to provide a better life for my daughter.
 Frrosty
Joined: 3/21/2004
Msg: 283
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/14/2005 4:24:20 PM
^ And if I know anything about kharma and such....you will succeed.

 freshy76
Joined: 3/8/2005
Msg: 287
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/14/2005 7:07:11 PM
being on welfare is to help you get a job.. thats it..
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 289
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/14/2005 7:18:39 PM
@Stephenb
Your issue shouldn't be with welfare nor the issue of dating someone on it,rather you dating ethics and methods.IF this woman demonstrated the issues of just wanting to smoke pot,that was YOUR CHOICE to date her(and give her things) before bothering to find out more about HER. Because your post is only your "version" of events the only thing to go on is not so much what YOU say about HER,but rather what it all says about YOU.

To the question of would "I"date someone on welfare? Yes,like anything eles it would depend on the woman,her character,her intellect,our common interest and the circumstances that got her there and her desire for more.This would be true REGARDLESS of income or economic status.To those women who have been or are currently recieving help, I say keep your heads up and don't let the foolish negative energy some wish to project get to you.Its so ridiculously silly for Americans to trash the welfare system and those on it as if most are abusing it.Particularly since corporate welfare is FAR more damaging to the economy than social welfare.I agree that abusors of social welfare should be caught but I feel they are NOT the majority.I do feel that the overwelming majority of corporate welfare recepients abuse it.
 redneckgirl133
Joined: 11/18/2004
Msg: 294
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/14/2005 9:11:23 PM
Only one thought....There by the grace of God go any one of us......Life circumstances could change at any time and cast us into a category of people on whom we are passing judgement right now.....I`d rather not, thanks...
 Missy
Joined: 1/29/2005
Msg: 297
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/14/2005 9:27:57 PM
My mom raised me on welfare. She is the strongest woman I've ever known. When I grow up I wanna be just like her..hell ya I'd date someone on assistance. Its the person inside that counts not their pocket book, if you haven't learned that by now, its time you did.
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 299
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/14/2005 10:32:57 PM
Forgive the ignorance, but what kind of buzz is Corporate Welfare?


I'm trying
Simply put,its the 150 BILLION U.S. tax dollars given to U.S. corporations
Those same corporations that pay upper managment 150k+ annually and CEO's 2+Million annually with additional benefits that exceed imagination.

Its not a buzz its a long standing fact.......THINK AMERICA THINK......and study!
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 302
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 12:24:48 AM
Check this out NRK,for a poor "welfare" FAMILY of 3 the average is 14k(family of 2 =9k) in equivalent subsidy(including cash which is about 45% of that) and people here complain about this. But none of them are complaining about the fact that a coporation in which those who make the decisions to make it WORK profitably and AVERAGE 23 MILLION dollars EACH,get HUGE subsidies for what amounts to FAILING. The U.S. gave more($150 BILLION) to corporations than to all poor people combined. I low balled the salaries of upper management because there is a range 150k-5million and CEOs(the "poorest" make 2 million) AVERAGE 23million except those on fortune 500 which average 33 million+ stock options that average an additional 10 million.....now tell me,why do these people need financial help?
 vanisle gal
Joined: 3/28/2005
Msg: 304
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 1:25:08 AM
I might if the person is honest to me before meeting that this is there source of income. If I found out after meeting in person that a guy is on welfare, I would leave real fast. As a taxpayer, I have little time for able-bodied people who reside on welfare.
 Diggy03
Joined: 4/7/2005
Msg: 309
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Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 6:22:12 AM
None of you know me or my situation. You do not know how I had come to be on social assistance for a short period of time.... you do not know how hard it is for someone educated (yes I have a university degree) to swallow their pride and apply for social assistance as it's the only way to feed their child.

I am not some teenager who thinks if I have babies welfare will support me. You should all be ashamed of yourselves... judging by what you choose to see.

I have seen and known people who abuse the system. I have also seen people (some of whom are very good friends of mine) with more than one child trying to survive on only "peanuts" a month.

Seriously... all of you "hard working, tax-paying" hypocrites should all go on assistance for four months minimum... and see how easy it really is. Give up your fancy cars to take the bus and then see if you even have change for the bus and instead have to walk in the rain or snow. Give up eating out at exepnsive restaurants for home cooked meals that usually don't include fresh produce only frozen as fresh is too costly.... especially when you have to buy diapers and not pampers but the no name brand that gives your child a rash.

You all think it's so easy to live off the governments money? I dare you all to try it... just try it!!!!

OT: I most likely would date a person on assistance... depending on the circumstance. I mean I was on it temporarily.... they should be on it too temporarily.
 ~Ames~
Joined: 5/26/2005
Msg: 310
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 6:35:21 AM
NO NO NO......

I think it is ridiculous. I get up and go to work everyday, any other person in the world can do it just like the rest of us. I can understand the exception of health problems or elderly, but as far as laziness??? I don't believe in it, at all. Someone using the excuse that they have been "forced" into welfare really urks me. They should get off of their butts and get a job somewhere, if they have so little pride as to let the government support them, then that same level of pride should make a small paycheck with the golden arches.

So, my advice to you, get rid of the girl. Focus on you, you are already supporting thousands of other lazy people on welfare by working each day, why add willingly add another....
 YamIhere
Joined: 3/17/2005
Msg: 314
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Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 7:08:21 AM

If you don't know any poor people and have never been out of work yourself, it's easy to throw out some blanket ...

never mind...

go back to hating the poor if it trips your trigger.

Been there. Grew up in a family that was dirt poor. We had less than the kids whose families were on welfare .... because my dad worked and made an honest living. I have lived in some of the worst and poorest neighborhoods. You misconstrue a lot of this criticism as hating the poor. I don’t hate the poor. Poor does not = bad. If you don’t believe welfare abuse is rampant and a problem, you’re fooling yourself.

Casper,
Quit whining about the “children.” A little tip from someone who knows something about debating: there’s an old adage in debate schools - when someone goes to “what about the children” lines, they have lost their debate. But since you want to go there, why don’t their parents get off their asses and do something about their situation? We live of our own free will. If you’re not mentally or physically incapacitated, you can work. And there are jobs. Evidence? Thousands of Mexicans pour over our border every day and find work.

On corporate welfare:
Yes, there’s bad to it. Yes, some people get rich from it. Let’s cut it out and see what happens. Look at the big picture, folks, not a little window in the screen. Corporate welfare does more good than welfare system ever could. Corporate welfare saves millions of jobs and keeps people working as productive members of society. They in turn continue feeding tax money into the government, producing necessary products and services and in turn, through their spending, support millions of other jobs. Instead of looking at either case as welfare, let’s look at it as the government making investments in the country’s future. Which one do you think reaps a better return on investment?
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 315
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 9:07:00 AM
Grew up in a family that was dirt poor. We had less than the kids whose families were on welfare .

This is somewhat laughable.While not challenging your family being "poor" the claim of having less than the kids whose families were on welfare is at best subjective and certainly judged ONLY be your recolition of those relative few you may have known at the time. Cash benefits to welfare reciprients in a family of 3 being around 5k per year on average and you say that your dad worked and made less than 5k or its equivelance at the TIME after food and rent? THis is apporximately $100 per wk after rent and groceries for 3 to live in 2004,in 1974 the equivelant would be what $70?Doing what? My point on this is,that would be PERCEPTION.


On corporate welfare:
Yes, there’s bad to it. Yes, some people get rich from it.


That is so ridiculous its FUNNY Some people get rich? try RICHER THAT is the very CORE of ABUSE

Corporate welfare does more good than welfare system ever could.

This is simply FALSE.An executive making 2 million a year should get EXTRA money for FAILING? Now, you think this does good and therefore believe its ok to bash the woman who gets $100 per wk ?

Corporate welfare saves millions of jobs and keeps people working as productive members of society.

Prove it! Supply and demand,if 1 company is too incompetent to survive there will be another to take its place and the jobs with it.Not only that but the point is,the EXECUTIVES who make the decisions that put the coporation in the black or red are MILLIONARES. What percentage of the money goes to the average American worker? Lets see, in fortune 500 walmart the average worker makes 16k Exxon 19k the CEO's of those companies make 100 MILLION, UPPER management 250k-5million. So you are saying its "good" to subsidise a company that pays a millionare $100million to make 1,000 jobs that pay 19k? But not good to give an entire FAMILY of 3 $100 per wk+rent and groceries to allow them the simple OPPORTUNITY to survive?

Instead of looking at either case as welfare, let’s look at it as the government making investments in the country’s future.

Fine,this is fair,I say its FAR BETTER to invest in the welfare of the COUNTRY and as long as the country has such a larger population of poor than rich the investment in them is the better choice. What is apparent from looking at this in a historic perspective is that in the last 50yrs is that a strong economy is dependent on a strong educated work force.To accomplish this the nations educational systems and intsitutions must be revamped.But to the point of which is most needed form of subsidies? The poor NEED it most.A company that pays UPPER management so much and still fails, needs to hire some of these folks who make due on $100 per wk(after rent and groceries) for a family of 3
to do the management.
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 317
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 9:20:27 AM
You doubt that the ultra rich make no ADDITIONAL abuses? PLEASE,corporate welfare mostly goes to CROOKS.Enron is yet ANOTHER example of Corporate welfare crooks who got caught. Now how many welfare abusers are millionares?
THINK!!!!! Now....back to the topic of the thread.
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 318
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 9:33:21 AM
@Stephenb
Your issue shouldn't be with welfare nor the issue of dating someone on it,rather you dating ethics and methods.IF this woman demonstrated the issues of just wanting to smoke pot,that was YOUR CHOICE to date her(and give her things) before bothering to find out more about HER. Because your post is only your "version" of events the only thing to go on is not so much what YOU say about HER,but rather what it all says about YOU.

To the question of would "I"date someone on welfare? Yes,like anything eles it would depend on the woman,her character,her intellect,our common interest and the circumstances that got her there and her desire for more.This would be true REGARDLESS of income or economic status.To those women who have been or are currently recieving help, I say keep your heads up and don't let the foolish negative energy some wish to project get to you.Its so ridiculously silly for Americans to trash the welfare system and those on it as if most are abusing it.Particularly since corporate welfare is FAR more damaging to the economy than social welfare.I agree that abusors of social welfare should be caught but I feel they are NOT the majority.I do feel that the overwelming majority of corporate welfare recepients abuse it.

I think its pompous and hypocritical to bash those poor who are in need of assistance. Why would I? I feel tremendously BLESSED to be in my situation of owning my home and a couple of properties. I've worked hard and delignetly for them.However I also recognize that I have been blessed in recieving help along the way;after my athletic scholarship wasn't renewed due to injury my father's vetern benefits kicked in;in grad school I recieved "help" from a missionary group;people have imparted knowledge to me that I most likely would not have recieved if I lived in a different environment,ALL of these things have aided me GREATLY.It would be pompous for me to think I have what I do because I'm so wonderful.I have been blessed and because of it I do all I can to help others realize their blessings present and future.The knowledge of that is yet an additional blessing,as is the process.
 YamIhere
Joined: 3/17/2005
Msg: 321
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Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 9:51:01 AM
Marathon,
I don't know where to begin. Perception, huh? Like I said, been there, done that. You see, my family actually had to pay for everything ... housing, utilities, food, clothing ... we had nothing left over. Welfare pays for all those things, plus hands out cash.

First, show me someone on welfare that is paying for rent and groceries ... you say laughable to my points ... HA! This is dependant state to state. Here in Pa. people receive free housing and food stamps AND their utilities are paid AND they can qualify for programs where they can get free clothing ... all through welfare ... PLUS CASH!!! Maybe that's why we have such a problem. It's a great place to move to if you're a leach.


But not good to give an entire FAMILY of 3 $100 per wk+rent and groceries to allow them the simple OPPORTUNITY to survive?

Now you're projecting things on to me that I never said. I don't believe the welfare system should be abolished or taken away. I think it is still in need of hefty reform. Perhaps even some more benefits extended in certain areas. For instance, let's get these people some kind of training, whether a trade or education, that will allow them to become productive members of society instead of leaches. NO ONE SHOULD BE ON WELFARE LONG TERM!!! Yet people are because they would rather wallow in their own mess than pick themselves up by their boot strings and actually work to EARN a better life. I understand that the system creates circumstances that sometimes place people in dire positions and those people need a helping hand. You need to understand that some people work the system.


Lets see, in fortune 500 walmart the average worker makes 16k Exxon 19k the CEO's of those companies make 100 MILLION, UPPER management 250k-5million. So you are saying its "good" to subsidise a company that pays a millionare $100million to make 1,000 jobs that pay 19k?

And you, I imagine, would be the first one in line to complain about jobs being outsourced? If you have only prepared yourself to make $19K per year, that's your own fault. But, let's stop the subsidies. Let's take away that handful of high-paying jobs. Let's do as you says and eliminate MILLIONS of jobs and see what the effect on the economy is. Supply and demand ... someone will take their place ... you could be right, but those $16K or $19K per year jobs will turn into $12K/year jobs

Tell me why these people deserve more than what they are being paid now? Do they have a marketable skill or knowledge or a unique ability? I mean, it's all supply and demand, right? By that thinking, unskilled labor is a dime a dozen. If they're paid a penny over minimum wage, they should feel fortunate ... right? It's about personal responsibility. What are you doing to make yourself successful in life? Are you gaining knowledge, learning skills? Or are you idly letting the days pass you by? There's a reason communisim, socialism and marxism have always failed. They don't promote competition. Competition creates a quest for excellence which in turn strengthens an entire society. I for one love and am motivated by the idea that some day I could be one of those corporate executives you seem to detest. Not because I want you to detest me, but because it is a goal.
 Diggy03
Joined: 4/7/2005
Msg: 322
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Posted: 6/15/2005 10:03:17 AM
@YamIhere...

In Ontario when I was on Assistance.. I was getting 825.00 a month.

My apartment rent was 525.00 leaving me with 300.00

My phone bill which was for basic service (you NEED a phone when you have children in the house) was like 25.00 leaving me with 275.00

Now at the time I was buying formula, baby food and diapers. We'll say that all added up to approx...175.00 leaving me with 100.00.

You try buying groceries for A MONTH with only 100.00.

And people who are in subsidized housing make less than 825.00 as there rent is so much less.


This is why anyone who has never been on the system AND DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IT should maybe look into it or at least go on it to see for themselves.

OT: Yes I would depending on the circumstances.
 YamIhere
Joined: 3/17/2005
Msg: 323
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Posted: 6/15/2005 10:06:53 AM
Like I said, Dig, it's different everywhere.

edit: OT ... no, like I said, I would always question her motives.
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 324
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 10:32:52 AM
First, show me someone on welfare that is paying for rent and groceries

If you'll reread my post,I speak of a family of 3 and state the AVERAGE and state that it INCLUEDS rent and groceries. Interesting also that you never answered my questions.


Let's take away that handful of high-paying jobs. Let's do as you says and eliminate MILLIONS of jobs and see what the effect on the economy is. Supply and demand ... someone will take their place ... you could be right, but those $16K or $19K per year jobs will turn into $12K/year jobs

Sorry,million dollar jobs are more than just "high paying"to me Now how do YOU arrive at a conclusion that if the company didn't recieve subsidies the next company that might take its place would pay a 7k reduction in wages?


If they're paid a penny over minimum wage, they should feel fortunate ... right? It's about personal responsibility. What are you doing to make yourself successful in life? Are you gaining knowledge, learning skills? Or are you idly letting the days pass you by? There's a reason communisim, socialism and marxism have always failed. They don't promote competition. Competition creates a quest for excellence which in turn strengthens an entire society. I for one love and am motivated by the idea that some day I could be one of those corporate executives you seem to detest.

Oh,please, I respectfully must say that very statement is pompous. Why think that the average person has no desire to have more? To learn? I don't detest ANYONE because of income THAT is my point!I own my own I have goals,this has nothing to do with GOALS and aspirations unless those aspirations are based upon elitism. I do detest pompisity! I am not saying you are,but that statement you made IS! I detest the thinking that it is ok to spend tax dollars to fund a company that pays someone millions for FAILING. I detest the notion that its somehow better to fund that type of enterprise than to give those who struggle who go through hard times a helping hand. My point? A helping hand is a helping hand. The negative generalizations made against POOR who recieve a helping hand is ridiculous and most frequently pompously,hypocritically stated.the evidence of this is the PAGES of post on this thread in which negative generalities about poor receiving help have been made and NONE about RICH recieving help,UNTIL MY POST.
Back to topic.....my answer was and is.....well,its been reposted a couple of times
 YamIhere
Joined: 3/17/2005
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Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 11:08:01 AM
Marathon,
You and I both seem to be in the habit of not answering questions posed ... I'll answer one, then I say we mutually agree to put this argument to rest. It's out of context in this forum. Rebutt, if you'd like. But this is the last statement I will make on this debate in this thread.


Now how do YOU arrive at a conclusion that if the company didn't recieve subsidies the next company that might take its place would pay a 7k reduction in wages?

I was just ballparking a figure out there. Let me give you a hypothetical:
You and I own IT companies. Mine is smaller, but is strong. Yours is huge and losing money hands over fist. The bills finally catch up with you and you have to lay off 200 software engineers. I have openings for 35. I’m also no fool. I realize the market has just become flooded with software engineers ... 110 apply ... I pay my experienced SEs about $60K ... these are all experienced SEs who were making, let’s say an average of $65K. Knowing I have my pick, I decide to offer them an initial wage of $50K. I’d fill all 35 positions, get experienced labor and save $10K per. Is that hard to believe? Is that bad business?
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 330
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 11:34:44 AM
My original post was made long after pages of off topic post bashing and making silly generlizations.I reinterated my position on topic AND the issue of bashing(off topic).I then responded to a direct question. I have answered you questions,but I agree that this is off topic.As I said,I've stated my opinion ON TOPIC,as well as responding to the off topic bashing that had been going on for pages.As I see it there are but 2 issues that should have had opinions rendered 1)the OP's issue with his "gf" and 2)would you date someone on welfare.All the basing and talk about abusers was off topic.Another thread could be made on the other issues.



110 apply ... I pay my experienced SEs about $60K ... these are all experienced SEs who were making, let’s say an average of $65K. Knowing I have my pick, I decide to offer them an initial wage of $50K.

Supply and demand, the supply of software engineers may be great but the demand is for GOOD QUALITY engineers.Knowing that market, the SE's who are best and proven can still demand for whatever the market calls for not simply what 1 employer may offer which would likely prompt the perspective employer to make a much better offer.
 YamIhere
Joined: 3/17/2005
Msg: 331
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Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 11:48:02 AM
LOL ... I promised I was done with that debate ... Marathon, you're a great adversary ... But alas, to stay within the rules of the site, I am done with this debate ... I so want to reply, LOL

OT: I volunteer five hours per week tutoring young single parents to help them finish high school, get a GED or get through post-graduate school(www.momshouse.org). Most of these people are on welfare or get some form of assistance. I can’t express to you how much I respect them. Most of them are on the go from 5 a.m. to midnight. They work, go to school, put up with my tutoring, raise their children, and in return for our services, put in a few hours of service at our charity’s home each week. They are remarkable young people. They are determined to make a better life for themselves and their child(ren). Now, does anyone see why I have such little compassion in these matters? The ones that want the help find a way and get it. Those who don’t and are apathetic deserve an apathetic response in kind. So, I do understand when people say that their decision to date someone on welfare would have to be determined on a case-by-case basis. It hasn’t changed my opinion that I wouldn’t do it.
 smilincaligal198
Joined: 5/30/2005
Msg: 332
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 11:50:03 AM
oh my goodness. i cant even believe people are saying oh poor me, we couldn;t make it. the reason i am so biased is, well, like most of these people i hear saying, oh my mama raised me on welfare, shes a good woman. blah.

well my mother raised 3 children alone. she put herself through school, worked, and still raised her family. we didn;t have all the luxuries like todays kids, but we were happy with what we had. we survived.

and guess what, she did it without one bloody cent from welfare. she went out there, busted her ass to provide for her family. she knew she could do it. many times it was hard, and we scraped. but not once, NOT ONE SINGLE TIME did she run to welfare.

so do not EVEN tell me this cannot be done. do not use your kids as an excuse. my mother had 3. I am not saying she is better that your welfare mama, i am saying it can be done.
 Diggy03
Joined: 4/7/2005
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Posted: 6/15/2005 12:18:06 PM
I was on assistance when my ex was arrested for uttering death threats to me. It's hard to support an infant when there is no income in the home, especially when he's not allowed to come over.

Anyway, I lived in a city where there are only minimum wage jobs (if you can find one)... and I'm not one for working two or three part time jobs and spending no time with my child.

Assistance helped me move back home (closer to Toronto) where I got a full time job. I have been working there for over a year and have advanced within the company... and I pay all my bills including daycare out of my paycheque.

I agree that SOME people are lazy and don't know there is life beyond assistance... geez.. you make way more money working than you do waiting for the cheque to come in at the end of the month.

OT: You all know my response. Yes depending on the circumstance.... well maybe not.. I don't know.....

I guess some people are more educated in making their dreams come true than some who would rather keep dreaming.....
 HARRY STOTLE
Joined: 5/3/2005
Msg: 336
Would you date someone who is on welfare?
Posted: 6/15/2005 7:24:06 PM
sure, I would get to spend more time with them.
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