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 freedome
Joined: 7/28/2006
Msg: 173
Child in a sex store Page 5 of 9    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9)
Maybe you could start your own web page! Gather votes copy and take to your MP's office. It would be a start. Gather them from across the globe. Get their e-mails to varify their credentials and ask them to send a short personal reason accompaning their name. Along with your write up they are agreeing with. You can ask for their phone # too; but of course that is up to the voter, alot of people would rather just vote.
Are you saying CPS will not get involved on a legal level? I hope you are taking the name of the worker and are assured a "note has been documented". You have the right to go into the office and review the notes with them along with getting copies. Make an apoitment to do this and try to remain calm and civil.
Count me in.
 oceangreen
Joined: 5/16/2006
Msg: 174
Child in a sex store
Posted: 10/27/2006 9:48:09 PM
In Ontario, it is illegal to expose children to sexually explicit material. Boy, BC has some strange laws.
 wonwascallywabbit
Joined: 7/20/2005
Msg: 175
Child in a sex store
Posted: 10/28/2006 12:56:18 AM
As a custodial parent with two daughters, I could never in a million years think of taking them to such a place at any age. Yes kids do grow up but not at the age of six. Sure a parent has the option of exposing their children to anything they desire legal, or not. It's an option not a right. But a parent has a responsilility to let a child be a child for as long as they possibly can.
 ~~~HK~~~
Joined: 10/17/2006
Msg: 179
Child in a sex store
Posted: 10/30/2006 9:45:52 AM
My input may be redundant.......My apologies, this is a long thread.

^^^ Congrats on Ottawa looking into the situation.
What would I do if this were my child she wouldn't be in there, if the other parent was responsible for the exposure I would try to find a loop hole in the "red tape" to justify this is not a good thing for a six yr old child ( male or female).I would speak & get appt's for the child to see a professional for an evaluation , doctors, phyc's dr.s, talk to attorney's, write a letter to the local newspaper exposing the situation to gain exposure and mention the business. If the business has nothing to hide than they shouldn't be upset.

At what point would this be considered pedophilia? ( sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object ) By continually exposing her to all that the sex store has to offer....what's the big deal to stop the behaviour of taking the child there?

Child sexual abuse is defined as the deliberate exposure of minor children to sexual activity.<<<<< I would think visiting a sex shop regularly is a form of child sexual abuse.

I don't believe it's "wrong" the child knows what a penis is or a vagina nor breast for that matter, these are all human body parts that all of us of one sex or another has. Personally for me I don't think she needs to know what the opposite sex's private parts look like from a sex store, sex like a perversion!
Works of Art,sculptures, paintings etc are a fine way for children to see bodies and appreciate the art. I don't believe children should be embarassed of their body & I beleive that they should accept everyone's body is different skinny, cubby, chunky,fat,short, tall ....

As for Ontario, Every Sex Shop I've entered has a BOLD warning on the door that reads.( stop sign here)..YOU MUST BE PREPARED TO SHOW PHOTO ID AND MUST BE 18 YRS OF AGE! legal not legal? I dunno but I do know they practice it!
 mamabear24
Joined: 8/11/2006
Msg: 181
Child in a sex store
Posted: 10/30/2006 3:42:13 PM
I have to say this is the most disturbing incidnet I have heard. If someone let their child accompany them into a shop of that nature in public. What are they doin with the child at home. I think that is totally wrong. I would never introduce my 6 year old to anything of that sort. Yes she knows that boys have penis' and girls have vaginas. but that is the extent. she would not know what a mans penis looked like. If i has seen someone actually take their child into a place like that I would have to say I would probably call childrens aid. That is not something for a child.
 Whitetigeress
Joined: 8/3/2006
Msg: 182
Child in a sex store
Posted: 10/30/2006 4:15:57 PM
Corrupting children
172. (1) Every one who, in the home of a child, participates in adultery or sexual immorality or indulges in habitual drunkenness or any other form of vice, and thereby endangers the morals of the child or renders the home an unfit place for the child to be in, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.




wow... upon reading that .. i know sooooooooooooo many that should be in jail!
 ~~~HK~~~
Joined: 10/17/2006
Msg: 187
Child in a sex store
Posted: 10/31/2006 9:29:24 AM
ahhhh ^^^^well good to get both out in the open, that way we can learn

Anyhoots, I called a local sex shop and inquried about the age limit.......they confirmed 18+

I inquired if they had the Bill,law, criminal code posted and what it was........she was a newer employee and couldn't confirm. I talked to her about this thread and the situation briefly. I gave her my tele and asked if they found out which particular law,Bill it is to please get back to me.

I read through legislation,codes, bills and couldn't find any specific regarding children entering sex shops. I did find city by-laws stating that no one under 18 was to enter and it went the the film board and ROAR ( Registard Ontario Adult Retailers) & lots of child porn laws, however nothing specfic enough to pass on. I'm using my "net" thanks to Google to help me research and have a friend ( who worked in a adult store at one time) calling some officals. So will get back to ya asap.
 tim3step
Joined: 5/5/2006
Msg: 188
Child in a sex store
Posted: 10/31/2006 2:53:12 PM
I'm thinking this is wrong.
 Leigh AKA PL
Joined: 4/20/2006
Msg: 192
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Child in a sex store
Posted: 11/8/2006 12:34:11 PM
Sorry if I am repeating anything already said,but there is a lot to read,so just going by what I just read from the op

OMG are you serious?apart from being illegal,it is morally wrong,what is wrong with parents now adays? are children not allowed innocence anymore?
 Davids_Mom
Joined: 11/4/2006
Msg: 194
Child in a sex store
Posted: 11/8/2006 10:29:24 PM
I dont see how anyone could bring/let their child be un an sex store (i know its legal you said there) but how could any parent let their 6yr old child come into a sex store or even bring, their child into one thats just my opion on it i do not approve in that but every country/state is different.
 Down2Erth
Joined: 10/11/2006
Msg: 195
Child in a sex store
Posted: 11/9/2006 5:23:21 AM
Thats sick, someone should tell that mother to get her head examined. Kids need to be kids, its like encouraging sexual behaviour, don't they grow up fast enough??? Kids have sex now at 12 and 13, doesn't anyone want their kids to be kids??
 crazycat0131
Joined: 6/30/2006
Msg: 198
Child in a sex store
Posted: 11/10/2006 9:38:57 AM
wow this is a law issue,

depending on the laws, the store can lose there buisness because you have to be 18 years old to enter any of those stores. Also the mother can be charged with child abuse and possible loose there child to state custody.
 crazycat0131
Joined: 6/30/2006
Msg: 200
Child in a sex store
Posted: 11/10/2006 9:45:34 AM
in addition to that its a moral issue, if the law does let this happen it needs to be changed and only people who stand up and fight for it will make it happen.

if the store owner allows for it then the owner has a poor set of morals. But more importantly the mother of that child has an extreamly low since of morals.

as for a young kid not knowing what things are I disagree. Our public school systems make children aware of things, and I am sorry no child is stupid enough just to ignor what they are seeing, if they want to know what it is or what its for they will ask they will find out. I remember being a child and i know i new more about sex amoung other things that my parents had no clue I knew at such a young age. Kids are always smarter then what we think and pick up on things easly.
 Sweet Sunshine
Joined: 11/4/2006
Msg: 202
Child in a sex store
Posted: 11/10/2006 11:38:51 AM
you mean?

signs, signs everywhere there's signs..........is only a catchy tune and not LAW?

Education.......is a wonderful thing!

Rude? Never seen that one coming!


have been looking a bit also for ya, haven't found anything that supports your concerns as law either.......asked a couple social workers, everyone has the same opinion, just nothing on the books!
 justmeinnc05
Joined: 8/12/2005
Msg: 204
Child in a sex store
Posted: 11/12/2006 12:02:57 PM
I find this just creepy. Panties and panty hose are one thing, but the rest is just horrible. Where I live a child that young would not be allowed in a store like that. Of course if she is the owner, I guess it could happen, just not sure why it would happen.

I guess times really are changing, as when I was 6 I didn't know anything about penises real or fake.
 treemanbdj
Joined: 5/16/2006
Msg: 206
Child in a sex store
Posted: 11/12/2006 12:37:04 PM
North:

Stayed off the thread for a good bit, but I read ALL.

Thought you were coming around in message 181, but you dropped the ball.

First though message 200. FB is right. She's just looking at it in a layperson's eyes..Food for thought.

Now as someone that is not a member of the bar, but has been studying it for over 20 years, and has well over a 150 petitions in over the years. Criminal, Civil, traffic, and zoning,

North don't think the law is easy by ant stretch. For instance the court tier system in the United States is made up of 7 courts in almost ALL states starting at the state level.

In other words. If it was so easy there would not be a court above another court ( able to over rule or confirm redress) a total of 6 or MORE Phucking times.

Don't beat yourself up over it. I get a raging 10 HUT when I have a state's attorney arguing "your Honor, but....Your Honor, I..." blah blah blah, and the ruling is in favor of the stupid tree guy.

Most laws are written with such ambiguous BS that I......a simple Joe G. Public has had no less then 2 dozen cases overturned in a higher court... with me as the lawyer were redress was awarded.

Granted I bet my daughter's life I have a minimum of 15,000 hours of law reading in my life.

I said that to say:

I know next to nothing of Canadian law. Been in the law sites enough to see it's just as complex as here in the USA. As well as taking a gander and reviewing Australian law.

However, you need not make a law (or waste your time) that states "Children under 18 can't be in an adult store".

I will bet you an even 1,000 US dollars that there is already criminal statue/code that could easily apply to the situation, period

Just the act of what you described violates more then a handful of laws in Maryland.

Are you following me??? Your biggest hurdle is to get someone in prosecution off there DEAD-@SS and apply an existing statue/code to the case. period. Unfortunately the prosecution has the discretion to seek relief as they feel and what is (AS THEY { the government}) say is in the best interest of the people. NOW of course that is criminally. You should have to ability/ access not to able to seek civil action for yourself. Not so many hurdles getting to court in front of a Judge on a civil matter. Common people do not pose the power to charge criminally.

If might be 1)child endangerment, 2) Reckless act of a minor, 3) Contributing to child endangerment 4) Unkept house 5) Behavior reckless of a Parent 6) Harmful enterprise of a child... ETC ETC ETC

Not one doubt in my mind that it is a criminal act for a patron to take a child into an adult sex store which openly displays sexual devices or sexual graphic literature in nature.

Try a little test for me North since I don't have time to research the laws there. It takes many many of years to understand law. We currently have over 60,000 cases petitioned to the USA's Supreme Court yearly.

Have a women call you same jurisdiction and make complaints that she knows of a man taking a small female child to an adult store. What redress, or reparation, or legal/criminal accountability can this man be held too. Be very interested how your jurisdiction would handle a case objectively from a women with no involvement of the courts.

Oh yea, Once you give them your identity over the phone, they have access to your information, and could also view that prejudicially. (Did that cross your mind?)

In Maryland 2 examples. There is no law against giving my 5 y.o. a beer in my house. There is also no law against "NECROPHILIA". However, you can rest assured there are more then a handful of charges that can be applied to either act.


Point is North. Again there are enough laws on the books, just because there is not one titled precisely to keyhole fit, I sleep surely knowing that there is statue/code that exist.

In closing, by no stretch am I suggesting nothing but to go forward on rectifying the status with regard to condition and circumstance.

I just truly feel you need to to come completely at a different angle. One in which will also be years faster, and one.................................get this.....follow closely.........................will apply.
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Yep, if No child is allowed in an adult store under 18 was passed into law tomorrow, She would still not be held accountable for anything before it goes into effect, for very very rarely (if ever) is a criminal law enacted retroactively.


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 xXxNuttyxXx
Joined: 2/1/2007
Msg: 207
Child in a sex store
Posted: 4/17/2007 3:29:04 AM
Child in a sex store .........wrong on so many levels ... plain n simple!!! law or not!!!
 Prefect42
Joined: 4/9/2007
Msg: 209
Child in a sex store
Posted: 4/17/2007 9:04:36 AM
Having grown up on a farm I was well aware of what sex was by the age of four, and what all parts were used for. Males had a pointy feature like my own that not only facilitated peeing, but also went into the females pee area, and months later a baby animal would come out.

Sure, no kid needs to know about fetish and kink, and for that reason should be kept out of sex shops until they are adult and able to decide if kink is for them.

But learning what the parts are named, and what they are for, is probably better to learn about young so that you have a greater idea of what is entailed when you are old enough to make the decisions regarding sex on your own.

Do you really think that kids do not know?

I do agree with the laws on adult stores, I am commenting on the comments that kids do not know such things so young (about sex and procreation.) Any kid who has been exposed to farming and nature knows long before "the talk" with the parents ever happens.

But no, kids should not be exposed to the kink.
 annac_2200
Joined: 7/13/2006
Msg: 211
Child in a sex store
Posted: 4/17/2007 11:22:48 AM
i think there is some misunderstanding of what a right is. life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, are rights.

Exposing a child under the age 16 (imo) to sexual games, toys and movies, is a form of sexual abuse. Walking around naked in front of your child is sexual abuse. The idea being that you are subjecting them to sexuality, sexual behavior, before they are old enough to understand what is going on.

I feel sorry for this 6 yo girl and every child she comes into contact with, because sexual abuse gets worse over time and she is going to infect every child she comes into contact with her superior knowledge about the world and how men and women interact.

Whats worse is in most adult stores you cant buy a porno without women being degrated or being called foul names. This girl is bound to have emotional and phsychological problems for the rest of her life.
 annac_2200
Joined: 7/13/2006
Msg: 212
Child in a sex store
Posted: 4/17/2007 11:31:28 AM
my older sister and brother were forced at the age of 5 and 3 to watch older people having sex. Their sexual abuse grew from their curiosity. My brother went on to molest several kids. I absolutely do not agree with teaching children about sex "early on.

It is one thing to name parts and give a basic understanding. But as parents we should not be encouraging the early sexual behavior of our kids by "teaching them how each body part works" OMG

teaching your kids what penises are used for? Would you go so far as to step by step inform them about sex? and what part of that isnt sexual abuse?

Shit its people like this that make our children victims of sexual preditors
 Prefect42
Joined: 4/9/2007
Msg: 213
Child in a sex store
Posted: 4/17/2007 12:07:11 PM
So what part of happening in on two dogs going at it as any different really than when two people do? Farm kids are exposed to the reality of sex their entire lives, and I highly doubt kids coming from farms are more unbalanced than kids who never see nature take its course. There is no step by step instruction manual that shows any more clear than watching dogs or cats. (or horses, sheep, cattle etc.)

I take issue with the kink and fetish aspect of adult stores, and children seeing that, rather than their happening in on seeing mating in action. I agree with the age laws on adult shops. I disagree that children have no clue. Children need to be informed prior to puberty about sex, and what it is for.

Your situation with your brother and sister was very disturbing and wrong. Being 'forced' to watch anything of that nature is wrong. However if Suzy walks into Mommy and Daddy's bedroom when they are -uh- occupied, what she has seen is not sexual abuse. Mom and Dad need to sit down and tell her in age appropriate terms that this is what mommies and daddies do to make babies, and give little Suzy the ideal that it happens in. (the committed relationship, the need for privacy etc., etc., that so many of us realise when we are older is not always the case, but Suzy does not need to know that part just yet)

So the sex shop child is disturbing. Knowing what sex is, and that it is not dirty when done in a loving, private environment, is not detrimental to a child. Intentionally having sex in front of the child is detrimental - giving a demonstration is detrimental. Knowing about it, or teaching about it is not.

Really. Just go to the zoo with your child. I bet they ask what those monkeys are doing to each other! This is an opportunity to reiterate the privacy thing of why mommy and/or daddy need their bedroom to themselves! Not good to tell them that what the monkeys are doing is 'bad.'
 whiteraven666
Joined: 1/23/2007
Msg: 215
Child in a sex store
Posted: 4/17/2007 5:12:30 PM
I think this woman is an idiot.

I used to work at an adult toy store and if you were under 18, you couldn't come in. People would get pissed when they tried to bring their babies or toddlers into the store, but it is an ADULT toy store, leave the kids at home. A lady once left her baby outside in a stroller, by itself, so she could run in and get something. She got pissed when I gave her attitude cause anyone could have stolen her kid and done god knows what to it and all cause she needed a vibrator. (sorry, that was more of a rant and not directed to your friend)

Society in general is bombarded with sex everyday, thr0ugh television and advertising, why expose your kid to something that could wait till she/he is old enough to really understand what they see. If this child is so desensitized to the sight of a dildo that she giggles, what's she gonna do if she sees the real thing, at six or sixty?

I could understand taking your kid to work, even in that environment, but ONLY if the kid is in a space where she/he will not be exposed in any way to what is inside. Your friend is just plain stupid, stupid, stupid.
 xXCHOCOLATEXx
Joined: 4/14/2007
Msg: 216
Child in a sex store
Posted: 4/18/2007 12:25:24 AM
i think that it comes down to morals and values.....but the way the world seems to be changing, anything is possible...

its not right, i would never have my kids knowing what any of that stuff is, and im sure most parents agree its just plain wrong and immoral.

IF you think though, there are parents who smoke dope in the presence of thier kids, and some even do it with them, there is so much that goes on in this world that is wrong but it happens and there is not a thing we can do about it, unfortunately

people like this are just disturbed in my books and parents like this shoudlnt be allowed kids, this is how we end up with those disturbed children running free and wild on the streets.

parents shoud be open with there kids to an extent so that the real world is not a shocker to them when they enter it, and they dont find the need to try all those things that are told to be bad but never explained and shown the side of the discussion that supports the harm in it, but in strides and with morals and values,

all i can say is

what is this world coming to ?

i fear for my children everyday
 Irish Dream 4 U
Joined: 4/14/2007
Msg: 217
Child in a sex store
Posted: 4/18/2007 7:40:34 AM
Just my opinion... the last place children should be is a sex store!
 23SLL
Joined: 2/26/2007
Msg: 218
Child in a sex store
Posted: 5/10/2007 7:22:31 PM
I feel as though children at an appropriate age do need to know about sex. I believe that age when a child is old enough to understand good and bad touches we need to address that problem. 13 is a good age to start talking about it and not getting to scared to talk about it is a problem when kids are not able to go talk to their own parent about it. But, not graphic detail. Just the fact on diseases and pregnancy and that it is not about playing around with same as Drugs. I know that sexual abuse happens the most at home and it was not viewed as a problem before the 1970 (scary) people though if it happens to a child it was the child’s fault. They say 1 in 4 girls is sexually abused and 1 in 6 boy are abused and I believe that not talking about sex and what's wrong what's right opens up the possibility of the next molester maybe getting our child. Most of the time it’s a friend of the family ,teacher, another child, and family. More boy commit suicide from shame of the abuse and they feel as though they can’t tell anyone. Because, they are boys and women abuse kids too and why isn’t that a big deal? What can we do to change this anyone know?
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