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 toxic revolution
Joined: 2/19/2009
Msg: 152
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.Page 10 of 12    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12)
Couldn't agree more my friend. Long live Zizou!
 talkttoomuchpaddy
Joined: 12/9/2008
Msg: 153
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 3/10/2009 8:07:49 AM
Jim Baxter....He took the piss out of so many teams....
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 156
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 3/13/2009 10:28:25 AM
Brett Farvererere is the best footballer hands down!
 Kaos86
Joined: 3/7/2007
Msg: 161
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/3/2009 6:01:55 PM
I believe the greatest footballer must combine the elements of courage, leadership, ball delivering, scoring and winning therefore
I vote for Joe Montana, footballer for the San Francisco 49ers.

 itsmillertime6227
Joined: 9/19/2008
Msg: 163
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/4/2009 1:21:02 AM
Zidane could headbutt peoples' chests better than anyone I've ever seen. Perfect form to the breast bone.
 comic book
Joined: 7/5/2008
Msg: 165
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/4/2009 5:38:59 AM
how about none? football,*ahem* soccer is a boring sport. score is always under 3 or 4. if the score is in the 100 digit range I may watch it and give my car and motorcycle and furniture away for free when it does happen.
 comic book
Joined: 7/5/2008
Msg: 167
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/4/2009 7:36:12 AM
i can do as i please, i'm not doing anything but voicing my opinions, thank you very much. ok, fine, i love soccer and watching boys chase a ball with their feet. come on, use your hands!
 comic book
Joined: 7/5/2008
Msg: 171
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/4/2009 9:31:56 PM
Pedro 1976, i think you mean rugby.
 ticatsleafsjaysfan
Joined: 9/9/2007
Msg: 172
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Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/11/2009 2:49:22 AM
Pedro, the reason the scores are higher in football than in soccer isn't the 7 points for 1 touchdown. If you awarded 1 point for touchdowns the avg score would be 5-3 which is way more than soccer. Liverpool is the highest scoring team in EPL and they only have 72 goals in 36 games, that's an avg of 2 per game. I'm not bashing soccer it's not as easy to score as in football, but the 7 points/ touchdown isn't the real reason why the score is higher, football does have more scoring than soccer.
 oggers
Joined: 5/10/2007
Msg: 173
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Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/14/2009 1:36:53 PM
Alfredo di Stefano

No question.

google him .........
 Junesong_Provero
Joined: 7/1/2008
Msg: 184
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/19/2009 10:58:22 AM
Personally, I fancy players like Mario Kempes, Carlos Valderrama, and Michael Laudrup.

Fantastic footballers in my opinion.
 UK_J
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 190
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/22/2009 9:18:08 AM
What about Georgie Best?

I believe even Pele said he felt George was better, he just never had the chance to show his skills playing on the world stage...just club level.
 JGrai
Joined: 8/24/2008
Msg: 194
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Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/28/2009 11:08:30 AM
I don't know about greatest player ever, but the greatest keeper I've ever watched play is Oliver Khan.
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 198
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/28/2009 8:12:54 PM
Right now.........i believe Messi has been given a chance to step into the halls of greatness....he is still a young man and has not made history yet.......but he has made a big impact this year, and clearly shows signs of future greatness in the same lines as Maradona, Cruyf, DiStefano, and possibly zidane..............he is more than a presence on his team, he is a 'defining' figure!!.........he allows space to be created for his fellow attackers and thus is able to elevate their game, and unlike Ronaldo he can be counted on to come thru...when needed!.............these are the main ingredients of a great player (in the making).
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 201
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/29/2009 6:35:38 AM
........Kirk!.. again, your pomposity shines thru like the midday sun!.........i never said he wasn't productive, but CR thrives well in the Epl cause the game is fast paced and less methodical than some of the other euro leagues.....as a result he has been able to capitalize on the errors of his defending opponents and thus has done well in that his frustration levels have usually been kept low!

Cr will never leave the Epl cause he knows how good he has it....it doesn't mean that the Epl is weak, it just means that he fits in well into that milieu......and of course he has produced such that he has deserved his accolades.

On the other hand, he has not been impressive for his NT........telling me that his game is not readily adaptable to all styles and individuals, and for most other players this is no big deal, but for a 'giant' like CR, his shortcomings then become noticeable...........in short, CR (like rooney) is an important "gear" in a big engine (MU).........however, i think Messi is much more than a "gear" in the Barca machine.......he is also a "lubricator or facilitator" of all other gears.



the Champions League final was his first ever time scoring against English opposition in over 10 attempts because he has been routinely shut down


..i never said he could score at will...i said that his quickness and creativity allows for his other teammates to have more room to move about as he often gets double teamed...i guess you forgot that he was responsible in the goal scored by iniesta against chelse resulting in the B victory......but i guess that didn't figure much in your rating scale!



But you won't hear me disparaging the guy, he's a world class footballer. So is Ronaldo.


i haven't disparaged CR...as i said, i think he thrives well in his milieu...and he has the talent to do so.....but there are many who feel that he is well over-rated!



Messi has a long, long, long way to go before he will be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Maradona!!!!


..i didn't say otherwise...read my post!!.........i just said he has the opportunity to be one of greats!
 GeneralizingNow
Joined: 10/10/2007
Msg: 210
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/29/2009 9:17:16 AM
I think it could be argued [so I will] that Ronaldo is doing less with more--he's taller and faster than Messi, yet I'd say they have pretty equal impact.

I disagree that Ronaldo was absent in the CL final--he is the only Man U player who seemed like he WANTED to win.
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 225
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 226
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/29/2009 11:26:01 PM
kirk


I tell you what Summy...why don't you look up his stats in the Champions League for the last couple of years and his stats for his National Team...just look it up...no point in arguing with you, you rarely understand what's going on anyway!


.......somebody already did that for you and even if he scored twice what he did it still wouldn't be convincing as he is a one-way player..............you must suffer from a bad case of self delusions as you seem to be trying to make a case for CR being the best in the world based upon his scoring prowess!..........to me being the best scorer in the world is not always akin to being the best player.....but then since you ALWAYS understand what is going on, what would be the use in arguing it with you!



Ronaldo won the best player in the world award last year because he was the best player in the world and was magnificent in all competitions. This year his goals in the knockout stages of the Champions League were breathtaking


...again, you seem to be basing it on his scoring prowess


or the beautiful move that he started and finished in the Champions League semi final against Arsenal...


arzenal had a subpar defense....if any at all!..................did you see the CL game that MU played Inter in which the rookie defender santon did a decent job covering him?...CR is not unstoppable as you would have us believe


I agree that Ronaldo is certainly one of the best players in the world and I think Messi is definitely a world class football but he does need to improve in my opinion. I have seen him shut down now by top teams in the Champions League on more than one occasion. But he'll improve...he's young!


...of course he needs to improve and he very likely will........but the importance of Messi is not hinged solely on whether he scores or how he is contained...he is a respected presence on the field, and as such, other chances open up for others to score!...the mark of a truly good player is not always measured by 'goals' they score...a good example is beckham (in his hey-day)..............and then to contrast this with (brazialian) Ronaldo who was a goal scoring machine (until he went to serie-A)yet was not necessarily a 'total' player, nor did he improve all that much beyond what he could do best!


I think you might have noticed that it was really a mistake by Essien that gifted Barca the goal...it was hardly a piece of creative genius from the youngster who had been extremely disappointing against Chelsea...a toe poke of a defender's error does not constitute world class football!


...its not a matter of it being a piece of creative genius...its a matter of playing in the clutch as he does!..............what you fail to realize is that mistakes are made all the time in a game, thus its how an opponent capitalizes on that mistake that often defines success for a side........that split second move by messi that you dismiss as being so trivial is but a small example of his uncanny sense of perception!...its a certain non-quantifiable 'pizzaz' that a player possesses that makes him/her stand above his......................and this is what you academic-types don't understand.....you are virtually all the same, you sit around erecting your constructs based upon chimerical perceptions..............and then putting it all across in a manner that seems palatable to the masses here...but in truth, there is little that you offer that is revelatory..................i'll be the first to admit that i'm not as knowledgeable as many others here, but you yourself are hardly the keen, objective observer that you think you are....pal!
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 234
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/30/2009 8:28:03 PM
kirk



.man of the match in a Champions League Final last year! Scored probably the best goals in the Champions League this year. Was voted the best player in the permiership by his fellow professionals, the sports writers and fans, world player of the year last year, was on track to win the young player of the tournament at the 06 world cup when they admitted that the agro' in the match against England ruled him out. Has been top scorer in the qualifying rounds of European and World cups to help Portugal qualify...you cearly HAVE NOT looked up the stats...


........i've seen the stats and i know of his accolades, but that still doesn't betray the notion that he is a mono-dimensional player......not that he has to be otherwise, as he does what he does well.................its not difficult for a talented scorer to produce goals when: a) his fed the ball at regular intervals by those capable of distributing it; b) if he is allowed enuff room and time to position himself.



do you honestly think that the whole world is just labouring under an illusion concerning his brilliance and that you're one of the chosen few that sees the truth????


......the truth i see is that CR (as well as brazialin R) are specialists........they are specialists in goal scoring..... and that is what attracts the lime-light, the fan fare, etc!.....(at least in my book)he is no more valuable than a good steady defender whose job it is to break-up plays and clear the ball from harms way so the few goals that do get scored by the likes of CR (and other such prolifics) are enuff to win the game for his respective side!............thus anyone who excels at his specialty can be considered as 'brilliant' with or without the accolades bestowed upon him by the viewership!


you can be man of the match in the biggest game of football of the year...and you're not a "clutch" player???


sure!...the 2 can be exclusive of one another!........if during a game, i've managed to score goals by virtue of my midfielding playmaker setting me up then why should i be given much of the credit?..........if someone is responsible for feeding me the ball at a crucial moment so that i manage to score then who can best be regarded as the clutch performer, me or the player enabling me??????


And for me...What Messi did against Chelsea was not play in the clutch


...you are entitled to your opinion!


Oh and btw...for an attacking player...given that the most important feature of a game is whether you have less or more goals than the opposition...that's pretty much the most important stat...


...again, "the most important stat" is merely your POV....."scoring more than the opposition" involves a duality that is balanced between an admirable defense as well as a capable offense.......and the effectiveness of this balance is what truly wins games!


he won world player of the year twice as a young player with Inter Milan!!! What ARE you talking about. Before being plagued by injury he was not just a goal scoring machine, he was voted the best player on the planet..


..what i said, or tried to imply is that he scored with impunity while at barca (and einhoven) but was dampened somewhat in the serie-A.....i didn't imply that he wasn't effective (prior to injury) at what he did best!


just so you might get the urge to start doing a bit of homework before youmake these ridiculous statements.


again, i'm not taken by his wide array of accolades that he has racked up....perhaps he may have won more than Pele and Maradona.........but it doesn't mean he belongs in their class!


And why on earth would you compare an out and out striker with a wide player like Beckham.


...i didn't mean to compare them along side....i meant to illustrate only what each one excels best at.....respectively!


I think you'll find that there are others on here who have been far, far more offensive toward you and your comments than I have been.


...the only one probably more "offensive" is some deranged buffoon (who i wouldn't even dignify by naming him) who writes in capital letters!......besides him, no one else!...and if that is who you wanna measure your etiquette up against then you are more pathetic than i thought!


But you are actually that small minded that you want to make an attack on me as a person and what I do for a living on a football forum???


...respectfully speaking, what a person does (or doesn't do) often defines their character......and in your case, your lofty position of authority.....is what probably gives you impetus to speak to others (with whom you may not agree) in the condescending manner that you do.......in order to re-enforce your own hubris.


But I generally argue the points away with you as well, even though I find much of what you say about football self-evidently nonsensical.


....if you've found much of what i've said to be non-sense, over and over... then how Stupid does it make you look!...... to be "arguing" with such an individual?........except in situations that i've had to respond, in no way have i directed my statements directly to yours!..........yet you've managed to respond caustically to nearly everthing i've written without invitation!


Imagine that kind of carry on from a grown man on a sports forum! How pathetic! I mean you went snooping on a dude's profile for 'ammo' in a bit of sports banter


...first of all, it was YOU who divulged (to me at least) what you do for a living...sometime back in another thread!!!........secondly, looking at a person's profile that is open for public viewing hardly constitutes "snooping".......if you wish to restrict viewing of your profile then i suggest enacting the blocks!


But, I'm not engaging with you anymore.


...good riddance!.....and i hope you mean it!
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 241
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 5/31/2009 8:17:48 PM
what a player does for his NT has always been a rite-of passage into the halls of greatness.......CR has yet to make a significant mark in that department, despite all of his awards and accolades............to his favor, he is only 24 yrs old..............and he can improve his game if he matures mentally, and doesn't get distracted too much!

i don't think SAF would ever push CR outta MU.........they are an offensive minded team and he is an important component..........although macheda looks promising, i don't think they would like to see CR leave..............if CR leaves it will be by his own decision.
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 244
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 6/1/2009 9:25:48 AM
^

Mu has won the Epl title and has gone to the CL finals 3 yrs in a row....what more can the fans want from CR...........i could understand selling him if MU needs the money to replace other aging players, but otherwise why push him out!

................................................................

Kirk




I'm not engaging with you anymore.......(that you posted in msg 232)


...at least be true to your word man,.... and maintain some semblance of dignity!




I'm just not wasting my time with a middle aged wanker


...yet you are doing just that!!!....over and over!......you are a pathetic human being!
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 255
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 6/1/2009 7:11:06 PM
@ jason



the european and world player of the year awards at times are just a joke,


...i know where you are coming from.....a lot of these awards (except for the scoring titles) are often B.S.........there is often little objectivity that goes into it.........awards such as: MVP of the match, and Player of the year, etc.....are often won by players who have already 'primed' the so-called experts into favoring them almost all the time!........why?...because its virtually what is expected!

...this is not to take away from the talents of brazilian-ronaldo............no doubt he was a helluva player!............but like you say, i too believe that he could have done more!....granted he had some injuries that caused some set-backs........but as of recent, he could no longer 'cut it' inside the european leagues............he is back in the brazilian league now where he seems to be thriving , but i'm willing to say that if had stayed fit, slim, focused...he'd still be in europe right now!


ronaldo was on top of his game at barcelona he had the world at his feet and after those great years at barcelona he just went into steep decline.


...which is what i had initially alluded to as well!


btw......the fact that you questioning some conventionally accepted standards shows that you are able to think critically!!!!!..........don't let anyone "re-program" your way of thinking, stick to your guns!
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 258
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 6/2/2009 6:20:07 AM
^


he's just a goal scoring specialist


exactly, scoring is their "signature card".......... CR and BR don't get paid the money they've gotten for doing otherwise!



Jason didn't need some delusional person who has never kicked a ball to patronize him or talk down to him.


..no one is "talking down" to him...read the post!.......i just told him to stick to what he believes in (and not to let him be dissuaded by the POV of others)




I'm not engaging with you anymore.


(^from your msg 232)
Had i directed my post to you i could see why you'd wanna reply.........but all you are showing is what a pathetic gnome you truly are............and the scary part is that you actually teach pple for a living!
 comic book
Joined: 7/5/2008
Msg: 264
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 6/3/2009 2:10:29 AM
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 Fibonacci
Joined: 9/16/2005
Msg: 279
Greatest footballer (soccer) Pele or Maradona? Or any other you decide.
Posted: 6/14/2009 5:31:14 AM
Pele and Maradona will always occupy the thrones of Kings of Football. But among other players the guy I'd pick would be Zinedine Zidane, a highly intelligent player, a great personality. Of course, you can mention Van Basten, (Brazilian) Ronaldo and others too.
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