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 Miss G
Joined: 5/1/2007
Msg: 283
To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?Page 18 of 18    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18)
A man who is not a natural leader should look for an equal partner. A woman who likes the take charge type probably enjoys obeying to some extent. As for cherish, can you really cherish someone who belches in public, tells the waitress she's beautiful, or talks to you while he sits on the throne? Cherish is more difficult. A woman is going to react to the man and either cherish and/or obey if she believes in him. Once the trust is broken,only a fool follows the same path twice.
 mysteriousromeo
Joined: 9/29/2008
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To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 2/11/2009 6:40:55 PM

The problem some people have is that in some faiths only the woman says it.


Well of course only the woman says it. The man is the head of the household; the man doesn't obey the woman.

1Co 11:8-9 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
 zangie
Joined: 5/30/2007
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Posted: 2/15/2009 7:19:12 AM

Well of course only the woman says it. The man is the head of the household; the man doesn't obey the woman.

1Co 11:8-9 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.


Well, we can quote scripture to support whatever our personal views are..or we can interpret it however it works best for us...besides, not being fundamental or a literalist, I go with the intent , being as it was written by men, who inspired by God or not, had their own ideas about what was a "truth", and funny how most of it favors men and their dominance? And relegates women to brainless possessions...hmmmm...lol...

Obey implies authority...the ony true authority over me ( besides my boss) is God..men are not superior in intellect, wisdom or anything else by virtue of their gender..and even if they were...a marriage is joint venture, not a master/slave relationship..I'm willing to listen to valid logic to support someone's opinion...but, no way will I blindly obey anyone..male or female..kind of neuters the concept of free will, doesn't it? A very important tenet of God's....and I also am willing to compromise for the good of one over the other...and if I truly believe what they are saying is the best thing for both...fine...but, no one will control or dismiss me..for any reason, religious or otherwise..
 zangie
Joined: 5/30/2007
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Posted: 2/21/2009 8:49:51 PM

No, you might be thinking of enslavement. No one forces
you to place yourself under a husband's authority involuntarily.
If any of the terms are not to your liking, you can reject the
proposal, and in no case is anyone arguing for blind obedience.
For example, if the husband asks his wife to sign a false tax return,
she has no obligation to obey him.


Ok David..if she has choice...why does obey even need to be an option? Obey is an order...

You can get more flies with honey anyway...my gut reaction to anyone telling me what to do or how to behave is to object on principal...now asking or discussing...different thing.
 zangie
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To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 2/23/2009 6:57:37 PM
I'm sorry David...that's BS...I've known men who are quite masculine and alpha..who are neither threatened by a woman with her own mind and opinions, nor need to control anyone..I resent the implication there are only two kinds of men...wimps and controlling freaks...I have no desire to control a man either...equal footing is what I like...masculine does not mean always in charge or leading people around by their nose...and having a mind of my own does not mean I am not feminine either...or a ball buster...

There is a middle ground...that is what I seek...
 compleat_man
Joined: 10/3/2008
Msg: 296
To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 2/24/2009 12:08:49 PM

With all due respect Cabby, I think you were an altar boy MANY years ago.


hope he wasn't one of the ones to lose their 'anal virginity' to an RC priest.. :(
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