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 FL CO
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I'm not so sure its hate....I already wrote a responce. In reality you have a person with a gun and the law backing them...obviously people are going to look at them differently. Some abuse the authority, others don't.

I think some of the problem is that you can't talk to someone like that like a normal person, say something they don't agree with or argue a point, and people feel it will come back to haunt them...others its personal experiences.

I understand, they are only human and what they go thru in a day would surely effect anyone.

My objection these days is if you ever call them, you always hear...sorry I can only write a report...you will have to take it to court.

Over glorified report writers? Maybe not, but it seems that way.


Arguing with an officer really depends on both people involved. If the officer is decent, or at the very least professional things should be fine on his end. If the other person can be decent and respectful with their side of things then there is nothing to worry about. As far as only being able to do a report thats the legal system. If you want it changed then you need to vote for politicians that are hard on criminals and don't bend over to the ACLU.
 FL CO
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Posted: 5/4/2010 8:01:27 AM
^^^Society has greatly declined since those days. Also during those days people were able to handle matters with their own hands. A good beating can help a lot to modify someone's behavior.
 fishiesfishies
Joined: 9/5/2009
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Posted: 5/5/2010 11:12:13 PM
The NYPD Tapes: Inside Bed-Stuy's 81st Precinct

Two years ago, a police officer in a Brooklyn precinct became gravely concerned about how the public was being served. To document his concerns, he began carrying around a digital sound recorder, secretly recording his colleagues and superiors.

He recorded precinct roll calls. He recorded his precinct commander and other supervisors. He recorded street encounters. He recorded small talk and stationhouse banter. In all, he surreptitiously collected hundreds of hours of cops talking about their jobs.

Made without the knowledge or approval of the NYPD, the tapes—made between June 1, 2008, and October 31, 2009, in the 81st Precinct in Bedford-Stuyvesant and obtained exclusively by the Voice—provide an unprecedented portrait of what it's like to work as a cop in this city.

They reveal that precinct bosses threaten street cops if they don't make their quotas of arrests and stop-and-frisks, but also tell them not to take certain robbery reports in order to manipulate crime statistics. The tapes also refer to command officers calling crime victims directly to intimidate them about their complaints.

As a result, the tapes show, the rank-and-file NYPD street cop experiences enormous pressure in a strange catch-22: He or she is expected to maintain high "activity"—including stop-and-frisks—but, paradoxically, to record fewer actual crimes.

This pressure was accompanied by paranoia—from the precinct commander to the lieutenants to the sergeants to the line officers—of violating any of the seemingly endless bureaucratic rules and regulations that would bring in outside supervision.

The tapes also reveal the locker-room environment at the precinct. On a recording made in September, the subject being discussed at roll call is stationhouse graffiti (done by the cops themselves) and something called "cocking the memo book," a practical joke in which officers draw penises in each other's daily notebooks.

"As far as the defacing of department property—all right, the shit on the side of the building . . . and on people's lockers, and drawing penises in people's memo books, and whatever else is going on—just knock it off, all right?" a Sergeant A. can be heard saying. "If the wrong person sees this stuff coming in here, then IAB [the Internal Affairs Bureau] is going to be all over this place, all right? . . . You want to draw penises, draw them in your own memo book. . . And don't actually draw on the wall." He then adds that just before an inspection, a supervisor had to walk around the stationhouse and paint over all the graffiti.

The Voice is releasing portions of the tapes in batches on our website, villagevoice.com, and is also publishing several stories to deal with the issues that the recordings present. In this week's installment, we look at the roll calls at the Bed-Stuy precinct and the conflicting instructions given to street cops, who must look busy at all times, while actually suppressing crime reports. (Repeated attempts to get an official response from the police department have been met by silence.)

The Voice obtained the digital audio recordings from Police Officer Adrian Schoolcraft, an eight-year veteran of the NYPD. (The Voice has identified the NYPD bosses speaking at roll calls, but is using initials—different from their names—for most of them.)

Schoolcraft first made headlines in February, when the Daily News reported that he was speaking out about manipulation of crime reports at the 81st. His complaints, the Daily News wrote, had sparked an investigation that had put even the precinct's commander, Deputy Inspector Steven Mauriello, under suspicion. Those stories, however, gave no indication that Schoolcraft was also in possession of the remarkable audiotapes.

Schoolcraft tells the Voice he carried the audio recorder initially to protect himself from the civilian complaints that can result from street encounters. But then he began to document things happening in the precinct that bothered him. After he ran afoul of precinct politics, he recorded what he viewed as retaliation by his bosses.

"How else would you present the fraud being committed on the public?" he asks.

keep reading
http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-05-04/news/the-nypd-tapes-inside-bed-stuy-s-81st-precinct/
 FL CO
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Posted: 5/6/2010 9:08:30 AM
I'm glad some of you understand the context in which the statement was made. It's not about abuse, discrimination, or just for fun. I'm also not talking about any time recent, but many years ago. I knew a former Chicago PD officer that served back in the 70's and he said that they didn't make misdemeanor arrests. According to him thats why God invented alleys. He said that the criminals, while they didn't care for it, would rather get a little back alley justice and go about their day instead of being arrested and charged. Back on topic though about the civilians taking matters into their own hands. Civilians used to use their own form of justice. If they caught someone stealing, messing with children, hurting a women, or causing other trouble in society they'd make sure that person was less likely to do it again, at least around them. Society has since gone soft and would rather blame the victim or make excuses for the criminal instead of actually dealing with the problem one way or another.

When it comes to kids being beat, there's a big difference between being spanked and being beat. Being beat may cause problems later on in life. It could create abusive behavior in the person or it may cause them to seek out pain and abuse. Spanking, oth, when done correctly, is very unlikely to cause problems. Words alone aren't always enough to get results. It also works best when children are younger since when they get older a spanking often isn't going to be enough to change the situation.

As far as officers using force and it modifying behavior, it can and does work. I've stated on here before that I work in forensic mental health. Everyone at my facility is facing felonies charges or has been NGI on felony charges. Most have mental or behavioral disorders. Now crazy, doesn't mean that they're stupid. Just because someone has an altered state of mind, that doesn't mean that they can't comprehend something. Verbal intervention is tried first unless its a situation where someone is in danger of getting hurt. If force becomes necessary, the least amount needed to gain compliance is used. Usually the ones requiring the most amount of force are those with behavioral disorders or those who are faking. The like to push it to the absolute limits. It usually only takes a time or two of having to deal with us before they understand that they're behavior will no be tolerated. Also, anytime we walk into a dorm to deal with someone everyone else gets locked down. If everyone keeps getting locked down because of one person its going to create a problem. We might go down every time and never come to using force, but if his behavior continues so that the rest of the dorm suffers it won't take log before others on his dorm decide to modify his behavior.
 Sweet_Le_Senza
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Posted: 12/3/2010 1:09:25 PM

They dislike them from personal experience. Kind of like going to Denny's and the waiters treat you like shit and the food sucks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFq66qIWajo

Ottawa police officers giving a woman who was detained illegally an experience of her life!

Your argument is bunt!

Booya!

 jsphn11
Joined: 12/24/2007
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Posted: 12/3/2010 3:16:26 PM
I don’t hate cops. You couldn’t pay me enough to do their job. On one hand, they deal with criminals and can be easily hurt or killed, on the other hand they are targets of lawsuits (“police cruelty”). It’s really hard to evaluate right on a spot how to react to actions of criminals/persons of interest… something like “Is that person holding a flashlight in his pocket, or is it a gun?”….
 Sweet_Le_Senza
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Posted: 12/3/2010 3:27:22 PM

on the other hand they are targets of lawsuits (“police cruelty”)


I agree their jobs can be very difficult, very traumatic.
Lawsuits however come out of our pockets!



 Steveo480
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Posted: 12/5/2010 6:38:16 PM
Because most people have been harrassed or bee rude to by cops more than theyve been helped by cops, I know I have. Most seem to be buulies who like to abuse thier power and are corrupt. Try being on the recieving end of it and you will quickly get your answer. Yes I know there are good cops out there but they are very VERY few and far between. One small example I can give is one time a friend and I were pulled over cause we matched the description of two guys that robbed a convieniance store. We were both roughed up and treated like animals even after we were cleared as suspects so there you go and thats just one example, I have more but feel like typing them all. Lastly cops can kiss my stinking sh!+ stained a** As far as the good cops like you... yall are the true heros and God bless you guys!!!
 Debyduz_
Joined: 5/4/2012
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Posted: 10/20/2012 10:08:56 PM
I love cops.

I had to call them a few years ago. My son who has many issues ran away and left a note that was suicidal. the cops came right away. He met my son a few days before be he was hanging out alone with his black hoody and black pants the cop stopped to talk to him and walked him home and talked to us. The cops was worried about him. that was real nice. So when I call the cop came right away and he stopped at the places the kids hang on the way to my house. He took the letter and was just getting ready to issue the APB when my son walked up. Because the note was suicidal my sons had to go to the hospital. I was scared because my son has incredible strength(Autistic). the cop was so nice he explained everything he was doing to my son he had to frisk and he had to cuff him and put him in the car so he would not hurt himself. He gave him the choice of going to hospital with us, ambulance or he would take him. He handled my son perfectly and waited and talked to him until the ambulance came.

I only ever met one crabby cop. I am sure he had a good reason. They deal with crap all day. their families live every day waiting for that call. they often give their lives.
 L_LuuLuu
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Posted: 10/21/2012 1:27:33 AM
I used to admire and respect cops, until an incident happened in my town, too. An incident involving police stupidity and incompetence that cost me my hearing in one ear. And changed my life forever in other ways, too. And, no, I wasn't arrested or suspected of ANY crime.

The police in my little town are pretty much a sad joke. In a caliber with the rest of the thugs they are supposed to be protectng us from.

Until the American people as a WHOLE get their priorities straight, our governmental authorities are gonna SUCK from bottom to top. With the cops being at the bottom of the regime.
 MacInOC
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Posted: 10/21/2012 12:52:33 PM
I've lost respect for 'em. In my relatively crime-less area, they simple look for ways to collect money for the state and themselves. If you look at the pie chart at any CA DMV it shows where fees and fines go - yes the police and CHP are on the chart, along with courts.

So rather than protect and serve, they do revenue enhancement stops. All in the name of safety? Hardly. Someone stopped on the side of the freeway / road? CHP and police passes 'em by. Above the law? I see them constantly driving while on their cell phones. Common sense? They once did a traffic sting at the local high school busting under 18 year old drivers who carpooled with their siblings and neighbors.

Can they solve the CA budget crises and their law enforcement budget issues? Yes, one ticket at a time.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 10/21/2012 9:32:49 PM
it's funny when i hear some people say i hate cops they can bleep bleep bleep themselves but as soon as someone jacks their car or breaks into their home, they call the cops. lol

My friend is like that he deeply dislikes cops, but one night we were coming back to his house and someone broke into his home and stole his stuff and what was the first thing he did? dialed 911 to have the cops come out. lol
 L_LuuLuu
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Posted: 10/22/2012 10:00:03 PM

My friend is like that he deeply dislikes cops, but one night we were coming back to his house and someone broke into his home and stole his stuff and what was the first thing he did? dialed 911 to have the cops come out. lol


You make a good point here, Steel City

As a person who has lost all respect for our LOCAL police, I have to admint I would also call them. But ONLY if ENOUGH of my stuff had been stolen to exercise my homeowner's insurance claim. This year when there was an attempt to invade my home and also when someone stole my lawn mower, I just let it slide. The cops are so stupid, that it would have been a complete waste of time. Plus, I'd be concerned that they would make another "innocent" mistake and arrest ME.

As it happens, the home invaders were squatters in the vacant house next door to mine. All the neighbors knew about the squatting and rash of crime during their stay (and probably the theft of my mower). They all called and called those incompetent, lazy pigs while I lived in terror of the squatters for several months. The sitch finally ended when the pigs were contacted by another neighbor -- who just happened to be a Dallas, TX cop's wife. The squatters were removed from the home same day.

The only other reason I would consider calling the cops is if I had to shoot a home invader. I own a larger a caliber weapon sufficient to blow a person's head off. I've made it known in my area that I might tend to just display the decapitated head on a pole beside my driveway to warn others -- and skip the pigs. But, of course, I'd really be stuck having to actually report the incident instead. Thank goodness I've married since. Lower chances of home invasion with a REAL man around.

I've installed a burgler alarm with an autodialer -- but it doesn't dial the pigs -- it dials ME instead. (Pigs no longer respond to burgler alarm calls, doncha know).
 LennyPane
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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:41:13 PM
**** the cops. Come to LA and ask that stupid question. I live in an
area of Los Angeles where it is well known that the police are
involved in lots of crimes. When I was 16 I was riding my bike around
at 11 at night and got pulled over by 2 sheriffs. They harassed me and
told me they 'hate juveniles'. And told me if they saw me out that late
again I'd spend a week in the hospital. The police are supposed to be there to protect you. When you are not a criminal but still get scared when you see/hear a cop, something is wrong in paradise.
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Posted: 10/23/2012 10:45:58 PM
Msg 1697: I know exactly what you're talking about...
 L_LuuLuu
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Posted: 10/24/2012 9:13:22 PM

If you don't live in California, you won't understand what is going on here. This is not like your little town
where you know the cops and they can't get away with crap.


True enough, California is not like my little town. But the cops here are KNOWN thugs, and they DO get anyway with any crap they chose.

I sympathize with you as you live in the liberal, PC, Bankrupt state of CA. And it's easy enough to see just from television to see why "certain ethnicities" get away with murder. Same thing happens in near-by Dallas, where the "police force" is now run by the New Black Panther party. (sigh)

Meanwhile, I'VE gone broke in "Big Rich Texas" trying to pay the medical bills the Big Stupid cops caused me, after yanking me out of bed in the middle of the night for harrassment and false imprisonment.

I moved out of Dallas County to avoid the safety risks you describe. I guess I just didn't move far enough away.

 vlad dracul
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Posted: 10/26/2012 7:45:33 AM
well i think that the polis are needed. as in every walk of life you get good
and bad.

for every bit of good police work like catching child molestors, rapists and the
general flotsam and jetsam in the population you get the would be robocop/judge dredd
wannabe's

in the uk our police are hamstrung by political correctness as shown in the vile crimes
below

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374443/Police-hid-abuse-60-girls-Asian-takeaway-workers-linked-Charlene-Downes-murder.html

and also the outright lying over the hillsborough disaster

http://www.channel4.com/news/policeman-boasted-about-hillsborough-cover-up-mp-claims

i shudder to think what the polis would be like if they were armed over here after reading this (imagine these
arseholes carrying guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

A blind stroke victim who was shot in the back with a 50,000-volt Taser stun gun by a police officer who mistook his white stick for a samurai sword is launching a bid for compensation.

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/national/news/9999460.Blind_man_sues_police_over_Taser/

(yep the same dafties who 'identify' suspects in court trials also mistake white sticks for samurai swords)

but all in all i think a wee bit more respect from THEM to the folk who pay their wages would not go
amiss
 L_LuuLuu
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Posted: 10/28/2012 7:27:43 AM
I agree with you Vlad --

The pigs may be stupid, lazy, incompetent, and thuggy, but their sure as hell a LOT better than nothing.

Sometimes they actually DO do their jobs. The odds are often enough to scare the non-uniformed thugs away -- or at least back into their own elements.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
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Posted: 10/29/2012 1:30:25 AM
As a person who does not (or did not) have that typical negative attitude about police officers, and who does not have a reason to fear them, I'll say this...

...In our very imperfect system, police officers are in a very important position, and very much so given the dynamics that society has evolved to, and they just aren't up to the standard or maturity level required by this - despite that "there are a lot of good cops". The way they are required to do their job or maintain an image, and the disposition and intellectual level required for their job position, simply isn't appropriate or effective. I've learned that a cop does NOT have any intrinsic moral wisdom or basic good intentions or ability or common sense. He or she is just another person with a job, in the sense that the person at the fast food place is just some joker with a job, and he is just as liable to spit on your hamburger just because he can, just because he's in a bad mood, for no good fair reason. More than once I've called the police out of necessity, and they only caused more problems, encouraged and instigated the other party, and I've seen them completely misuse their position against people who didn't deserve it at all for their own personal non-neutral or biased reasons.
 OyVay...
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Posted: 11/1/2012 10:13:19 PM
Hahahahahaha!!! How did I miss this thread? WOW!!! And now to really blow some minds...especially with my image on the forums, being the die-hard liberal that I am! Hahahaha!

I like cops!!! No not all cops...but far more than I disliked..

I raised quite a bit of money for the Widows and Orphans fund of the NYPD in my work when I was in NYC. As such I got to know them, know the brass, know what they encountered on a daily basis...the good the bad and the ugly!

I only read some of the pages(about 10 or so)...so most of you get pissed off because these guys take themselves too serious...guess what...it's serious business, if they're wrong...they get dead!!! Ever attend a funeral for a police officer? See the grief his family suffers...all to make it safer for YOU!

The probem is they are doing a 19th century job, in the 21st century...with cuts in budgets, with limited overtime...with lots of personal problems...(how would you feel if you had to shoot someone?, Or if everyone doubted you, when you knew you had it right, and everyone was down against you?)

Many guys joined the force, just like firemen...to make a difference in their communities. To be there for people, to help them...to protect and serve.

Now here comes the other side...first politics...the politics of "seeming right"...how many arrests do you make? How many stops? Are you effficient enough? Today's police must in essence, pay for themsleves, by issuing traffic citations...in some locales...

Next what happens to your personality if all you meet and encounter are bad people? If you begin to be taught "most people are bad...or suspect everyone..." shit we have women on here who b1tch constantly about bad dates...how would you like to encounter NOTHING but people who lie...constantly? From the woman who is beaten by her husband, but wants him not to be arrested, even if it's in her best interest? To the street kid, trying to get his hustle on, and lies about everything from his name, to where and who he lives with, to what he stole tonight? To the junkies or the drunks, or the people who "only broke the law a little"...

Can you imagine doing that day after day, week after week, month after month...year after year? You think that old cop just got that way from the last freakin few days...or that he started that way?

Now of course there are "bad cops"...can't help that..you can't catch everyone who lies....those of you on here who date should rcognize that! Some take bribes...some abuse their power..some are mentally flawed. Do you really believe some overworked flunkie...giving pysch tests or checking on performance will catch everyone slightly off on some power trip...because he wasn't popular in high school?

There are no perfect group of human beings...no great group of accountants, or lawyers, or doctors...every working group has some shit members...the difference is these guys and gals are in the trenches...together...so different if your ledger doesn't balance...these guys may die...so they tend to have each others backs...

Instead of seeing this as an "us" and a "them"...have you ever gotten to know one of them? I mean talked to them? No, not as a "excuse me officer?" but as a human being? Had a few drinks with them, or a cup of coffee? It happens that "them" is actually part of "us"! They have kids, mortgages, divorces, girlfriends and boyfriends, husbands and wives...they have the same problems you do...but with the added kicker of going out every day and standin between you and crime...

Do all of them do it well? Oh hell no! Are all of them happy all the time? Are you? Wake up folks...if a force is bad or slack...they need correction..if there is rampant crime, you have to ask why, and then ask what the leaders will do to correct it...but to damn all, because some are head trippin..or are runnin a game on the population AND the force..just makes no sense...

Hahahaha! I know this will get a big giggle from my detractors on here, but it's my opinion and thoughts on the subject...
 drinkthesunwithmyface
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Posted: 11/2/2012 1:00:08 AM
Ammendment to my last post...

...and this always seems to be one of the subjects about which some people mischaracterize and down-play the real problem by making it seem like it's all about how people can't be perfect, their job is a crappy one, and there are good and bad...blah blah blah...All true things, which must be remembered, but not really definitive, relevant, or helpful.
 ORALROBERT2
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Posted: 11/2/2012 7:43:50 AM
Why do so many cops seem to hate people?

Who said: Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts?
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Posted: 11/2/2012 9:37:09 AM
^^^*absolute power corrupts absolutely

-Baron Acton
 ArticLife
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Posted: 11/3/2012 12:31:52 AM
It's not personal. I have a dislike and fear of cops because, at the root of it, they are a gang. Yes, usually a positivie one, but regardless...

If you get on the wrong side of the law, there's nothing you can do. If a cop accuses you, it's your word vs his. If he assaults you, it's the same thing. You can't defend yourself unless there are many witnesses.

I just don't like the idea of people having that much power, because humans rarely treat power responsibly. I'd say I am more afraid of legal repercussions than I am from Thieves or muggers.
 hplazerjet
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Posted: 11/4/2012 8:30:39 PM
In Los Angeles, the police are a plague on the populace. They do bad things,
get sued, and then we have to pay for it. To pay for the budget deficit/crisis they write silly tickets
that would never be written in most other cities.
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