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 Ember007
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I was thinking this morning about a wondrous machine that could be built. A punishment machine! You insert the perpetrator and select the punishment. Pimps, drug deallers and your vilolent anti-social types would be sucked in, to be INSTANTLY shredded and recycled!


Fantasizing violence against people is usually not a sign of good mental health.. I'm fairly certain some countries have a system something like that, and I don't think they get ranked too highly in terms of human rights.

As for people who hold a very strong dislike for Police Officers, I'm really trying to think of a response that is somewhat polite, that isn't summed up with 'get a job'.

Are all Police officers perfect people? No. Is everyone else in any other profession perfect? No.

If the Police are so horrible, then propose a viable alternative. The reality is there isn't one.

Small and Large business alike relies on the Police to keep a safe environment to operate. Without a remotely safe environment, business cannot operate, and will move somewhere safe.
 annasthasia
Joined: 5/4/2005
Msg: 1602
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Posted: 3/13/2010 4:36:28 PM
I understand your point Ember007.

In my limited experience, I can only state that where violence is concerned, I feel helpless. Totally helpless and I get a sense that some police officers also feel helpless.

I mean, I was told that it was a waste of time to get rid if the pushers in my high school, simply because drugs are everywhere and I suppose that in their crime meter, a drug pusher in a high school is not worth dealing with.

I wonder, which crime IS worth dealing with. Wait, I wonder when these police officers' children will end up in high school, will they then see the importance of getting rid of those drug pushers? I mean, it makes me wonder as to why according to their crime meter that it is ok to have a senior student sell drugs to 4, 5, 6, 7, ... up to 12 graders.

I am not kidding... That young... They have no conscience and apparently they truly feel like there is NOTHING they can do to get rid of them.

I have a suggestion or two... But everyone choses to look the other way...

For the record, I did get involved at one point. Well, I ended up with my tires slashed in my drive way and the police officer just told me to call my insurance. Again, I got that feeling that he just did not want to GO there.

Do you think I felt protected then? I have no children, so I just took the attitude to just not get involved. It's not like this problem will affect me directly anyway. For the sake of other's children, I tried and no one looked after my safety.

I honestly thought that the law would help... Well... rude awakening. I still think it is wrong. I feel totally helpless. It burns me to see the ambulance take a kid to emergency because the crap he bought made him have a seizure or an asthma attack and whatever else could go wrong.

I realize that there will always be drug pushers all over but geez... If, as a society, we truly WANTED to deal with this problem would we not?

I am sure, lawyers and judges and police officers get paid on the side to look the other way. It just has to. I hate to admit it but I also have to face the fact that I have also chosen to look the other way. Hence, I became an enabler because I realize no police officer will even make the effort to protect me when I was trying to do the right thing.

So, kids,many of them innocent ones that through peer pressure, buy the weed or the ecxtasy or the shrooms for the first time, most likely in a school yard.

That is just one issue... Prostitution and pimping is an other...

It appears to be all in a day's work to give us the illusion that we are safe.

I try to have the Polyanna attitude but in this instance, I cannot.

 Spitfire1956
Joined: 3/9/2008
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Posted: 3/13/2010 8:21:25 PM
The cops haven't provided anyone with a "safe" environment to operate anything. Maybe that's another reason businesses are moving-who knows. The reason businesses are moving is so they can pay alot lower wages overseas..which leaves americans in a tighter crunch! I know that no job is perfect...but come on at least do what your suppose to do!!
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
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Posted: 3/13/2010 10:49:21 PM
I'm certainly not going to say there aren't corrupt cops or cops who couldn't do a far better job than they do in some cases, and I'm not going to say that there aren't "pockets" of corrupt cops in certain locations; however, the large number of people who respond that they hate cops do not live in those locations where there are those pockets of corrupt cops. By and large, it's fashionable for some younger people to hate them, some people have had run ins with the law, when they've done wrong and hate that they got caught so hate them, and then there are those who just simply don't understand the legal/judicial system and figure it's the cops that let people go or throw them in jail and keep them there. If you had any idea of the number of long hours that cops spend in court when they'd sooner have their scheduled time off and hate particular judges and lawyers because of the loopholes, stupidity, politicizing, etc. that goes on that's beyond their control after they've followed the book in their arrests, you'd change your opinion to a large extent. How many times do you hear people saying they hate cops for giving them a speeding ticket, losing their license for a DUI, any number of things...those people know the rules, chose to break them but then hate the cops in the shoot the messenger sort of way. In other cases, they hear stories from people they know who had run ins with the law or hear stories on the news and there's no possible way they can know the background and the real truth. It's a good thing there's the technology (phone cams, cop car cams, etc.) in a number of cases that protects both the cops from false accusations and innocent individuals from bad cops. It's proven that it's not always the cop who deserves the bad reputation as much as it's proven that some innocent parties (or less guilty parties) have been wrongly accused or harmed in other ways. It's as bad as the gender wars you see in the forums...someone's heard of or had bad experiences with the opposite sex and then the entire opposite sex is painted with the same brush. Rational thinking and reality tends to take a back seat for some people.
 gitty--UP
Joined: 1/9/2010
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Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 3/13/2010 11:34:36 PM
Cops have to make a quota for traffic tickets.
 That Handy Man
Joined: 11/23/2008
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Posted: 3/14/2010 8:08:00 AM
I honestly could care less about how we are "RANKED"

There are countries that cane people for littering, nice clean places!

There are countries that cut off hands, and the gold store merchants can leave their stores unattended!

Meanwhile, in this STUPID society, the innocent sleep scared, behind locked doors, while the criminals own the streets!

And always, the tax payer, gets the brunt of ANY punishment or thinly veiled revenue producing scheme!
 Singleinlewistonidaho
Joined: 8/25/2009
Msg: 1607
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Posted: 3/15/2010 8:50:06 AM
That attitute always cracks me up. I guess you won't know what you are talking about until you experience harassment by the police when you are doing all of not a dame thing wrong.

There are certain segments of society that for the most part get no attention by the police. Doctors, lawyers, upper class, well dressed women with poddles. You get the idea. For those people out of sight is out of mind and all you people crying about the police must deserve what you are getting.

NOW TO ADD TO THIS THREAD! A STORY my NEW BOSS TOLD ME ABOUT his ARREST some years BACK.

My boss did 20 years in the air force. I told him I almost got arrested for feeding stray cats. He told me he had been arrested at a street party hosted by several bars on a street that was blocked off. All the correct permits were issued for the event.

My boss had a few but by no means was drunk. Lightly buzzed. He struck up a conversation with a girl he was standing next to and after a few words she mentioned she had a boyfriend. He said "Oh sorry to bother you no problem. Well have a nice night" and he walked off. He went into a porta john and after a minute or two walks out and low and behold....

A cop is waiting and slaps some cuffs on him. Right then the girl he had been talking to runs up and starts talking to the cop saying....

"What are you doing? I told him I had a boyfriend he was polite about it and excused himself" or something along those lines. The cop was the girl's boyfriend. After hearing the exchange my boss was like, (to the cop) "You got to be kidding me"?

But no it was no joke the cop with little man syndrome arrested my boss for "public Drunkeness".

Gotta love that abuse of power. He was of course really arrested for talking to the cops girlfriend.

He was turned over the navel MP's spent the night in the brig and the Air force came and got him the next day. He had to take alcoholism classes over the bogus arrest and play the system's game.

An arrest on your record is not a little thing and police arresting you ought to have damn good cause for doing it. Obviously they don't take it very serious.

Mike
 FL CO
Joined: 12/23/2008
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Posted: 3/20/2010 8:33:40 AM
^^^I can see why you have trouble with LEOs. I'm sure this great attitude you're displaying here is the same one you give officers that may pull you over.
 Spitfire1956
Joined: 3/9/2008
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Posted: 3/20/2010 10:42:17 AM
And that's usually the cops's response...they are always in the right and if you disagree with them they turn it around to where it's either your "attitude" , or your just a disgruntled human, or your a widow who just can't accept her husband's or wife's death, ..the list could go on and on. But when the public sees a problem and points it out..I do wish the higher ups would open their eyes and see what we're saying. That would save alot of face with the cops.
 Sweet_Le_Senza
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Posted: 3/21/2010 5:16:57 PM
And here it is again.

LAPD shoot and kill unarmed black man. Turns out the victim was mentally challenged however police believed he was armed and reaching for a weapon.

Way to go!!

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7341206
 FL CO
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Posted: 3/21/2010 6:01:52 PM
If they thought he had a weapon and was reaching for it, why wait and see if he pulls out a gun and starts shooting. They obviously saw what appearred to be a threat and stopped the threat.
 Spitfire1956
Joined: 3/9/2008
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Posted: 3/21/2010 7:10:54 PM
But maybe that's not the best way to handle the situation? How many cops were there? I bet there was more there than than it was called for..and all those cops couldn't handle a mentally challenged man that was unarmed. My heart sure goes out to him and his family. I know 2 cops shot a man in Kansas and the knife he supposedly had was in another room...I know the widow and the hell she's going through now because of that trauma. Sometimes the way things are handled are just over-bearing in my opinion, and alot of times deadly!!
 Cuckooforcocopuffs
Joined: 11/29/2009
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Posted: 3/21/2010 7:51:49 PM
police believed he was armed and reaching for a weapon.


This reminds me of the South park episode When Ned and his hunting buddies justify killing anything and everything by yelling "It's coming right for us!!!"

All a cop has to say is "I thought he had a weapon", and they can kill whoever they want and get away with it.
Cops are the biggest criminals around.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
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Posted: 3/22/2010 3:10:00 AM

But maybe that's not the best way to handle the situation? How many cops were there? I bet there was more there than than it was called for..and all those cops couldn't handle a mentally challenged man that was unarmed.


I have been told that it takes between 10-30 seconds for someone to pull out and shoot a gun, regardless of their physical and/or mental capacity.

People with special needs can and do participate in many activities, including the use of weapons; legally and illegally. People with special needs have been known to participate in illegal activities and to use weapons illegally. So pray tell why were these officers supposed to abandon police procedure with this particular person, if they felt he had a gun.

There are quite a few gun clubs across the nation that have special activities for people with special needs. Some of these people with special needs are actually better than people that don't have mental or physical challenges.

This is not to say that this might not have been one of those rare cases where an officer over reacted. But there are many cases where a officer and/or some innocent bystanders ended up dead because they under reacted to a situation. A person's mental and or physical capacity does not necessarily mean they can't use a gun to maim or kill.

There are reasons for the procedures law enforcement personal have and people need to understand and do what they are being directed to do. Most times when someone has a problem with an officer they are not complying with the officer's directions, acting suspiciously and/or fleeing the scene of some type of criminal activity.

For those of you so condemning of the police, I pray that one day you realize how much they sacrifice to keep our country safe. Hopefully it does not take some incident where they need to rescue you and/or others from some crazed gunman.
 Sweet_Le_Senza
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Posted: 3/22/2010 4:48:43 AM

If they thought he had a weapon and was reaching for it, why wait and see if he pulls out a gun and starts shooting. They obviously saw what appearred to be a threat and stopped the threat.


Why wait? Because of innocent victims like this! Jesus buddy! You think this is the first time officers have been trigger happy on an unarmed citizen?

 Sweet_Le_Senza
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Posted: 3/22/2010 5:01:49 AM

Hopefully it does not take some incident where they need to rescue you and/or others from some crazed gunman.


Well in this particular incident he was not a crazed gunman. He was an innocent citizen and if him being African American didn't play a role in him being shot....bullshit!

In other news back in 2oo6 NYPD kill unarmed man. The fired 50 shots at 3 unarmed black men! Mr. Sean Bell dies at the scene I believe. It was his wedding day.
NYPD and LAPD should really do lunch sometime to exchange notes!

http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/b/sean_bell/index.html

See, now were getting into the juicy stuff. The real issues.
 FL CO
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Posted: 3/22/2010 4:55:03 PM

I have been told that it takes between 10-30 seconds for someone to pull out and shoot a gun, regardless of their physical and/or mental capacity.


You were told wrong then. Granted I did this from a duty holster, but doing timed drills at a buzzer I can draw and put two rounds on target at 15yds in a little over 1 second. Add a second or two tops to draw from concealment. Thats reaction time. Knowing what you're going to do will put that time under a second. Our best time in my class (was still in reaction to the buzzer) was .86 of a second, with the second best be only a couple hundredths of a second more.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
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Posted: 3/22/2010 5:23:14 PM

You were told wrong then. Granted I did this from a duty holster, but doing timed drills at a buzzer I can draw and put two rounds on target at 15yds in a little over 1 second. Add a second or two tops to draw from concealment.


I was told this by some recreational shooting range people. They do have some quick shots there but they were adding some seconds for those not as experienced.

This is why I am constantly thankful for the men in uniform that protect out cities and towns.
For in less than a second I could be laying on some coroner's slab due to a bullet from someone I thought could or would not do me harm.

Law enforcement put their lives on the line on a daily basis so that we might live a better life. For this they get all this hate and anger from people who know nothing of what it is to walk in the daily working shoes of a police officer.

I will say that when I was younger I was probably not as respectful as I should or could have been. I was probably a heck of a lot more respectful than what I've been reading about on here though.
Hey I will admit I am not the happiest of campers when I'm pulled over but I will cooperate in whatever told. I have my fair share of tickets for being in the wrong. IF for any reason I feel it was in proper I will question later, after things are normal.
I have also won my case on a few undeserved tickets and yes once gotten an apology from a member of the Highway Patrol for overreaction. From the apology I realized that I was really glad I was not in his shoes the days leading up to my well deserved ticket.
 That Handy Man
Joined: 11/23/2008
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Posted: 3/22/2010 6:46:20 PM
As I said before, it's a two sided coin.

BUT!

There was a news piece on this evening about an irate motorist, reportedly about 250 Pounds that punched a cop or enforcment officer giving him a ticket, square in the face knocking him out COLD! Something about that, just pleases me so much (possibly more then it reasonably should) and I would like to see this guy (if and when caught, and I'm sure they will spend hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars to find the guy) get a medal.

They would probably argue "I'm just doing my job" but it's nice if every now and then, someone (with the guts) stands up and shows them how much "WE" really don't like it! lol

Cops, SHOULD NOT be in the business of revenue collection, anyway!

vvvv A swarm of cops (just like a doughnut party) administering a brutal road side beating should be EXPECTED by the REALLY STUPID! No lawyers (getting rich), no court costs, no money changing hands, just a highly effective means of education!

SEE! I don't really ever take sides!

 maximusminimus
Joined: 2/27/2010
Msg: 1620
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Posted: 3/22/2010 6:51:03 PM
I agree. There should be a special agency separate from the police whose work is to remove from the streets anyone too stupid to obey traffic laws. They would cart them off to an undisclosed location and come back with an empty van, no questions asked.

The speed limit sign reads "65", the driver is going 75, obviously incapable of reading two-digit numbers. Into the pit he goes.
 Strings6
Joined: 7/14/2007
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Posted: 3/23/2010 2:16:26 PM
I think it's time to compile an official United Staes of America Special People list...these people do not have to obey laws or be held accountable for anything they do or say.The list already exist but is not yet official...i think it's time to make it so,that way the rest of us who are not on the list don't have to waste our worthless existence,since we are not on the list and don't count,expecting anything out of or from these people but B.S and excuses.
 bennnconti
Joined: 3/1/2010
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Posted: 3/23/2010 4:20:50 PM
don't do the crime if you can't do the time. people who hate cops are for the most part the ones in trouble with the law.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
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Posted: 3/23/2010 4:39:18 PM

don't do the crime if you can't do the time. people who hate cops are for the most part the ones in trouble with the law.

Often true, or ones that don't respect the laws..
..

I meant to Thank any buddy of Law Enforcement that happens to read this thread for what they do by putting their life on the life everyday in my last post...

Thank You Law Enforcement
 TheyCallMeAngie
Joined: 2/17/2010
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Posted: 3/24/2010 5:57:37 AM
I looooove cops. Best uniform EVER! It doesn't matter what you look like once you step into the blue your a ten in my books!

Angie

*blush*
 Strings6
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Posted: 3/24/2010 3:12:07 PM
jstfknme,you waste your time arguing with subjective ignorance,it can only relate to what it has experienced,a child like condition that most people grow out of,if you are new here you will soon discover that this is one of those kinds of discussions where there is a prescribed answer and there is no room for balance of opinion...it's all or nothing.
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