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 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 1651
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You were told wrong then. Granted I did this from a duty holster, but doing timed drills at a buzzer I can draw and put two rounds on target at 15yds in a little over 1 second. Add a second or two tops to draw from concealment.


I was told this by some recreational shooting range people. They do have some quick shots there but they were adding some seconds for those not as experienced.

This is why I am constantly thankful for the men in uniform that protect out cities and towns.
For in less than a second I could be laying on some coroner's slab due to a bullet from someone I thought could or would not do me harm.

Law enforcement put their lives on the line on a daily basis so that we might live a better life. For this they get all this hate and anger from people who know nothing of what it is to walk in the daily working shoes of a police officer.

I will say that when I was younger I was probably not as respectful as I should or could have been. I was probably a heck of a lot more respectful than what I've been reading about on here though.
Hey I will admit I am not the happiest of campers when I'm pulled over but I will cooperate in whatever told. I have my fair share of tickets for being in the wrong. IF for any reason I feel it was in proper I will question later, after things are normal.
I have also won my case on a few undeserved tickets and yes once gotten an apology from a member of the Highway Patrol for overreaction. From the apology I realized that I was really glad I was not in his shoes the days leading up to my well deserved ticket.
 That Handy Man
Joined: 11/23/2008
Msg: 1652
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 3/22/2010 6:46:20 PM
As I said before, it's a two sided coin.

BUT!

There was a news piece on this evening about an irate motorist, reportedly about 250 Pounds that punched a cop or enforcment officer giving him a ticket, square in the face knocking him out COLD! Something about that, just pleases me so much (possibly more then it reasonably should) and I would like to see this guy (if and when caught, and I'm sure they will spend hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars to find the guy) get a medal.

They would probably argue "I'm just doing my job" but it's nice if every now and then, someone (with the guts) stands up and shows them how much "WE" really don't like it! lol

Cops, SHOULD NOT be in the business of revenue collection, anyway!

vvvv A swarm of cops (just like a doughnut party) administering a brutal road side beating should be EXPECTED by the REALLY STUPID! No lawyers (getting rich), no court costs, no money changing hands, just a highly effective means of education!

SEE! I don't really ever take sides!

 maximusminimus
Joined: 2/27/2010
Msg: 1653
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 3/22/2010 6:51:03 PM
I agree. There should be a special agency separate from the police whose work is to remove from the streets anyone too stupid to obey traffic laws. They would cart them off to an undisclosed location and come back with an empty van, no questions asked.

The speed limit sign reads "65", the driver is going 75, obviously incapable of reading two-digit numbers. Into the pit he goes.
 Strings6
Joined: 7/14/2007
Msg: 1654
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Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 3/23/2010 2:16:26 PM
I think it's time to compile an official United Staes of America Special People list...these people do not have to obey laws or be held accountable for anything they do or say.The list already exist but is not yet official...i think it's time to make it so,that way the rest of us who are not on the list don't have to waste our worthless existence,since we are not on the list and don't count,expecting anything out of or from these people but B.S and excuses.
 bennnconti
Joined: 3/1/2010
Msg: 1655
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 3/23/2010 4:20:50 PM
don't do the crime if you can't do the time. people who hate cops are for the most part the ones in trouble with the law.
 killene
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 1656
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 3/23/2010 4:39:18 PM

don't do the crime if you can't do the time. people who hate cops are for the most part the ones in trouble with the law.

Often true, or ones that don't respect the laws..
..

I meant to Thank any buddy of Law Enforcement that happens to read this thread for what they do by putting their life on the life everyday in my last post...

Thank You Law Enforcement
 TheyCallMeAngie
Joined: 2/17/2010
Msg: 1657
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 3/24/2010 5:57:37 AM
I looooove cops. Best uniform EVER! It doesn't matter what you look like once you step into the blue your a ten in my books!

Angie

*blush*
 Strings6
Joined: 7/14/2007
Msg: 1658
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Posted: 3/24/2010 3:12:07 PM
jstfknme,you waste your time arguing with subjective ignorance,it can only relate to what it has experienced,a child like condition that most people grow out of,if you are new here you will soon discover that this is one of those kinds of discussions where there is a prescribed answer and there is no room for balance of opinion...it's all or nothing.
 luckyhot777s
Joined: 12/26/2008
Msg: 1659
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 3/24/2010 8:01:54 PM
I'm not so sure its hate....I already wrote a responce. In reality you have a person with a gun and the law backing them...obviously people are going to look at them differently. Some abuse the authority, others don't.

I think some of the problem is that you can't talk to someone like that like a normal person, say something they don't agree with or argue a point, and people feel it will come back to haunt them...others its personal experiences.

I understand, they are only human and what they go thru in a day would surely effect anyone.

My objection these days is if you ever call them, you always hear...sorry I can only write a report...you will have to take it to court.

Over glorified report writers? Maybe not, but it seems that way.
 misery-business
Joined: 1/18/2010
Msg: 1660
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 3/24/2010 11:00:54 PM
You hate one cop, you've gotta hate them all right?


Yeah there are corrupt cops, yeah some beat innocent people - but there are plenty that work hard to protect you and do what they can to make your community a safer place. I don't think enough people remember that when they jump on the hate wagon. It's okay to hate the corrupt cops, but don't apply that hatred to police in general.
 Sweet_Le_Senza
Joined: 6/1/2007
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Posted: 3/25/2010 1:35:12 AM
^^

well said.............................................
 luckyhot777s
Joined: 12/26/2008
Msg: 1662
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 3/25/2010 4:45:36 AM
Its all a game these days...the laws they enforce don't allow for protection or crime prevention, etc.

Laws are different these days, and I never in my years of living had any ever help,when it was needed, either show up too late or the old suggestion, its not a criminal matter take it to court...

So, I have no use for one....crime keeps going up, showing its the laws that are flawed.

If the laws are flawed, then the ones who enforce them are of little use, as are the laws.
 FL CO
Joined: 12/23/2008
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Posted: 3/25/2010 8:15:41 AM

I'm not so sure its hate....I already wrote a responce. In reality you have a person with a gun and the law backing them...obviously people are going to look at them differently. Some abuse the authority, others don't.

I think some of the problem is that you can't talk to someone like that like a normal person, say something they don't agree with or argue a point, and people feel it will come back to haunt them...others its personal experiences.

I understand, they are only human and what they go thru in a day would surely effect anyone.

My objection these days is if you ever call them, you always hear...sorry I can only write a report...you will have to take it to court.

Over glorified report writers? Maybe not, but it seems that way.


Arguing with an officer really depends on both people involved. If the officer is decent, or at the very least professional things should be fine on his end. If the other person can be decent and respectful with their side of things then there is nothing to worry about. As far as only being able to do a report thats the legal system. If you want it changed then you need to vote for politicians that are hard on criminals and don't bend over to the ACLU.
 That Handy Man
Joined: 11/23/2008
Msg: 1664
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 3/25/2010 4:28:39 PM
Synchronicity? I fought the law is blaring from my speakers!

^^^^That's, maybe the whole problem. And it kills me when you and other people make that suggestion, to vote those we don't agree with out of office. It SIMPLY doesn't work that way! Those in power, regardless of party, will NEVER allow the common folk to dictate matters, NEVER! I strongly, suspect that in this country (Canada) most people support the death penalty. And yet, it will never be implemented, any time soon. If those in power don't have the stomach for it, let me do it! I would even volunteer my time (and sleep like a baby) ! Possibly, there is too much money in crime, that is the courts, lawyers, social workers and penal institutions. All part and parcel with politicians and those that wield the power .
 thedevilsangel333
Joined: 4/20/2010
Msg: 1665
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/3/2010 8:27:10 AM
I love cops.
They have been so nice to me.
No I'm not a criminal.
You guys are the absolute best!!
 Coma White
Joined: 4/11/2004
Msg: 1666
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Posted: 5/3/2010 6:10:48 PM
Police are supposed to be there to provide extra support to the land owners when there's a problem around their property. They seem to have branched out a little too far since those days.
 FL CO
Joined: 12/23/2008
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Posted: 5/4/2010 8:01:27 AM
^^^Society has greatly declined since those days. Also during those days people were able to handle matters with their own hands. A good beating can help a lot to modify someone's behavior.
 boatswamper
Joined: 3/11/2007
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Posted: 5/5/2010 2:40:16 PM

A good beating can help a lot to modify someone's behavior.
LOL, with an opinion like that it's no wonder people hate cops.
 SaharaM
Joined: 4/9/2009
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Posted: 5/5/2010 4:28:53 PM
^^I'm pretty sure you're taking that quote out of context. Here's the full version:


" Also during those days people were able to handle matters with their own hands. A good beating can help a lot to modify someone's behavior."

That's not a comment on police.
 annasthasia
Joined: 5/4/2005
Msg: 1670
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/5/2010 5:55:35 PM

^^^Society has greatly declined since those days. Also during those days people were able to handle matters with their own hands. A good beating can help a lot to modify someone's behavior.


If you truly believe a good beating modifies someone behavior, you sir MUST look for an other job...

So, I suppose having a like minded partner, would be cool. Either of you would have no issues looking the other way when either of you decide to give a goot beating in order to modify a behavior... or because you can... This is most likely a very high possibility.

Beating up children is NOT a way that will modify a behaviour but most likely on a long term basis, cause a deviance of some sort that can cause the victim to adopt a whole set of wraped societal values.

There is no need to answer this question but I wonder... We you beaten as a child?... This would explain a lot...

 fishiesfishies
Joined: 9/5/2009
Msg: 1671
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/5/2010 11:12:13 PM
The NYPD Tapes: Inside Bed-Stuy's 81st Precinct

Two years ago, a police officer in a Brooklyn precinct became gravely concerned about how the public was being served. To document his concerns, he began carrying around a digital sound recorder, secretly recording his colleagues and superiors.

He recorded precinct roll calls. He recorded his precinct commander and other supervisors. He recorded street encounters. He recorded small talk and stationhouse banter. In all, he surreptitiously collected hundreds of hours of cops talking about their jobs.

Made without the knowledge or approval of the NYPD, the tapes—made between June 1, 2008, and October 31, 2009, in the 81st Precinct in Bedford-Stuyvesant and obtained exclusively by the Voice—provide an unprecedented portrait of what it's like to work as a cop in this city.

They reveal that precinct bosses threaten street cops if they don't make their quotas of arrests and stop-and-frisks, but also tell them not to take certain robbery reports in order to manipulate crime statistics. The tapes also refer to command officers calling crime victims directly to intimidate them about their complaints.

As a result, the tapes show, the rank-and-file NYPD street cop experiences enormous pressure in a strange catch-22: He or she is expected to maintain high "activity"—including stop-and-frisks—but, paradoxically, to record fewer actual crimes.

This pressure was accompanied by paranoia—from the precinct commander to the lieutenants to the sergeants to the line officers—of violating any of the seemingly endless bureaucratic rules and regulations that would bring in outside supervision.

The tapes also reveal the locker-room environment at the precinct. On a recording made in September, the subject being discussed at roll call is stationhouse graffiti (done by the cops themselves) and something called "cocking the memo book," a practical joke in which officers draw penises in each other's daily notebooks.

"As far as the defacing of department property—all right, the shit on the side of the building . . . and on people's lockers, and drawing penises in people's memo books, and whatever else is going on—just knock it off, all right?" a Sergeant A. can be heard saying. "If the wrong person sees this stuff coming in here, then IAB [the Internal Affairs Bureau] is going to be all over this place, all right? . . . You want to draw penises, draw them in your own memo book. . . And don't actually draw on the wall." He then adds that just before an inspection, a supervisor had to walk around the stationhouse and paint over all the graffiti.

The Voice is releasing portions of the tapes in batches on our website, villagevoice.com, and is also publishing several stories to deal with the issues that the recordings present. In this week's installment, we look at the roll calls at the Bed-Stuy precinct and the conflicting instructions given to street cops, who must look busy at all times, while actually suppressing crime reports. (Repeated attempts to get an official response from the police department have been met by silence.)

The Voice obtained the digital audio recordings from Police Officer Adrian Schoolcraft, an eight-year veteran of the NYPD. (The Voice has identified the NYPD bosses speaking at roll calls, but is using initials—different from their names—for most of them.)

Schoolcraft first made headlines in February, when the Daily News reported that he was speaking out about manipulation of crime reports at the 81st. His complaints, the Daily News wrote, had sparked an investigation that had put even the precinct's commander, Deputy Inspector Steven Mauriello, under suspicion. Those stories, however, gave no indication that Schoolcraft was also in possession of the remarkable audiotapes.

Schoolcraft tells the Voice he carried the audio recorder initially to protect himself from the civilian complaints that can result from street encounters. But then he began to document things happening in the precinct that bothered him. After he ran afoul of precinct politics, he recorded what he viewed as retaliation by his bosses.

"How else would you present the fraud being committed on the public?" he asks.

keep reading
http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-05-04/news/the-nypd-tapes-inside-bed-stuy-s-81st-precinct/
 Coma White
Joined: 4/11/2004
Msg: 1672
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2010 12:16:45 AM
I'm pretty sure the person talking about laying a beating on someone wasn't talking about gay bashing or child abuse. If you take time to look at the conversation in context, you'll see he was commenting on how people used to take matters into their own hands if someone was causing problems. Of course, violence isn't the first course of action, you talk to someone first, and if they continue to disturb you and other property owners, then you might have to take additonal steps.
 FL CO
Joined: 12/23/2008
Msg: 1673
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Posted: 5/6/2010 9:08:30 AM
I'm glad some of you understand the context in which the statement was made. It's not about abuse, discrimination, or just for fun. I'm also not talking about any time recent, but many years ago. I knew a former Chicago PD officer that served back in the 70's and he said that they didn't make misdemeanor arrests. According to him thats why God invented alleys. He said that the criminals, while they didn't care for it, would rather get a little back alley justice and go about their day instead of being arrested and charged. Back on topic though about the civilians taking matters into their own hands. Civilians used to use their own form of justice. If they caught someone stealing, messing with children, hurting a women, or causing other trouble in society they'd make sure that person was less likely to do it again, at least around them. Society has since gone soft and would rather blame the victim or make excuses for the criminal instead of actually dealing with the problem one way or another.

When it comes to kids being beat, there's a big difference between being spanked and being beat. Being beat may cause problems later on in life. It could create abusive behavior in the person or it may cause them to seek out pain and abuse. Spanking, oth, when done correctly, is very unlikely to cause problems. Words alone aren't always enough to get results. It also works best when children are younger since when they get older a spanking often isn't going to be enough to change the situation.

As far as officers using force and it modifying behavior, it can and does work. I've stated on here before that I work in forensic mental health. Everyone at my facility is facing felonies charges or has been NGI on felony charges. Most have mental or behavioral disorders. Now crazy, doesn't mean that they're stupid. Just because someone has an altered state of mind, that doesn't mean that they can't comprehend something. Verbal intervention is tried first unless its a situation where someone is in danger of getting hurt. If force becomes necessary, the least amount needed to gain compliance is used. Usually the ones requiring the most amount of force are those with behavioral disorders or those who are faking. The like to push it to the absolute limits. It usually only takes a time or two of having to deal with us before they understand that they're behavior will no be tolerated. Also, anytime we walk into a dorm to deal with someone everyone else gets locked down. If everyone keeps getting locked down because of one person its going to create a problem. We might go down every time and never come to using force, but if his behavior continues so that the rest of the dorm suffers it won't take log before others on his dorm decide to modify his behavior.
 lifeslidesaway
Joined: 10/1/2010
Msg: 1674
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 12/1/2010 6:52:34 AM
I think there is good and bad people in all trades. But I think that once in a while there's a small percentage of law enforcement that seems to get a rush out of basically ship wrecking someone's life from something that they're possibly holding a grudge from 20 years ago. Or possibly they don't like something another persons family member did to them 20 years ago so they might have been a bit unfair with them years later. AKA beat them with the book. But it's obvious our world needs law enforcement. But once in a while I think it would be a good practice to have police to police the police to make sure they are playing by the rules and not living above the law themselves. We're all human. But there is good an bad in all lines of work. I think people in law enforcement should possibly keep an eye on each other an make sure other officers are not stepping outside the law themselves to keep everything reasonably fair in this world. It's so wrong when one cop abuses the badge and then other cops back their wrongful actions. There's corruption all over the world. Just makes it bad when someone behind the badge has a grudge and makes an example of a worth while persons life. They can certainly ship wreck a persons life if they feel like it. Sad but true, the others turn a blind eye while this is going on.
 SouthBayNative
Joined: 10/15/2010
Msg: 1675
Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 12/1/2010 7:10:18 AM
I don't hate them. They have a crap job. As my abnormal psych prof pointed out years ago, nobody ever calls them to attend birthday parties. The few times regular people deal with the police it's usually a crisis situation (even getting a ticket) and these people's entire day is made up of crisis. Plus I worked in the inner city for 20 years and was d*mn glad to see the LAPD everyday. I'm not a huge fan of the police-I think they could have better attitudes when dealing with non-criminals but I support them and I sympathise with their job stress.
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