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 rockondon
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although I admit that your words sadden and
leave a vision of much emptyness & unfullfilment.
However ~~ that is not my worry or problem , thankfully.
Any emptiness or nonfulfillment I had was left behind with church. No longer was I bound with chains of guilt for every harmless pleasure. No longer was I the target of those who judge others by a ridiculously high standard that they themselves only pretend to adhere to (and concepts like "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" seemed completely forgotten). No longer was I spoonfed dogma from the pulpit about how our religion was the right one (the other 10,000 religions teach their members the same lie of course) which does nothing but promote ignorance as well as intolerance for those who believe differently. No longer am I surrounded by hateful people that preach love and kindness. No longer am I looked upon with disdain by those who believe God gave us the tools of curiosity and reason but condemns us for using them.


Good luck in your quest for that wonderful life that you seek.
You'll be happy to know I already found it. I've never been happier, I appreciate things more then ever, I love people with different beliefs and cultures, I'm true to myself, I'm more spiritual then ever, and I no longer feel guilty or judged for enjoying life's pleasures. I hope you feel how liberating it is to break the chains of organized religion and follow your beliefs on a more personal level one day.
 esp60
Joined: 1/14/2009
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Posted: 2/25/2010 10:09:53 AM
^^^^^^ you got that right rockondon....i never saw as much hypocrisy as i did when i was going to church...
 Snotsure
Joined: 9/14/2009
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Posted: 2/26/2010 5:31:38 AM
^^^^

how about here?
I admit that your words sadden and
leave a vision of much emptyness & unfullfilment.


I do share in your sympathy though.... as your lack of "understanding" includes yourself.
 velopedian
Joined: 11/4/2009
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Posted: 2/27/2010 11:15:42 AM
a world with no religion? that'd be heavenly...
 rockondon
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Posted: 2/28/2010 11:23:01 AM

would hypocritical phrases such as:
I will keep you in my prayers / OMG .... be prohibited
They aren't hypocritical, they're just useless. When someone offers to put me in their prayers, I thank them for the sentiment (except when its for selfish reasons - which usually means that they pray that I will become a religious fundie like they are) but I'm well aware that its a token sentiment that's easily performed in lieu of them doing me any kind of real favor or granting any actual assistance.
I can't imagine such sentiments being prohibited, but if the world had no religion then it would be unusual that they would be used. Replacement phrases might include wishing the person well, hoping for the best for them, or simply saying good luck.

Also, would new Stat Holidays be created to take over Easter / Christmas,
or would you just continue celebrating them as officially pagan.
It seems you do not understand what "no religion" means.

It also appears that you don't realize that its insulting when you claim that those who believe differently than you do are 'empty' and 'unfulfilled' (although that's likely a projection of your own emptiness). This tells me of another reason why a world without religion would be better - no longer would people use the act of being condescending and insulting toward other belief systems as a tool to help them feel better about their own religious choices.

 velopedian
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Posted: 2/28/2010 10:27:17 PM
i would tend to think that atheism would be considered a lack of faith. paganism on the other hand is a religion, not a cult.

as for pastafarianism? well, the flying spaghetti monster makes as much sense as jesus, allah, buddha or any other name you prefer to associate with the religion of your choice. except for the belief of it's followers, there is no proof one way or the other for pastafarianism, christianity or any other faith. i can't prove that jesus, the fsm et al di or did not do everything that's credited to them, and neither can you.

it all boils down to one thing... faith is nothing more than a personal belief.

and on a final note... even as young as 12, i managed to figure out that, over the millenia, more harm has been done in the name of various loving gods than any other reason. hmmm...
 Corner GasGuy
Joined: 3/16/2009
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Posted: 2/28/2010 11:04:54 PM
I would embrace the idea that an evolutionary demarcation point may be achieved when Humankind moves beyond the need for self serving, power centered God concepts to give meaning to our lives. Archaic myth driven "Religions" do not require the intellectual leap of logic and reason, only an unquestionable "Faith".
 rockondon
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Posted: 3/2/2010 2:24:21 AM

There are many faiths. Atheism is a faith, too.
Calling atheism a faith is like calling baldness a hair colour.
I don't assert that no gods exist (which would be a faith-based claim). I merely do not have a belief that a god does exist. I don't have a belief that unicorns exist either (perhaps you think that makes me an a-unicornist?) but I'm happy to believe in gods or unicorns or anything else the moment that evidence rolls in to support their existence. I try to keep an open mind.

your posts are another example of words that sadden me because I
hear so much pain and real un-happiness.
You hear that? Perhaps you should ask your doctor to increase the dosage of your antipsychotics - that should help you with those pesky hallucinations.

the chip you carry on your shoulder is pretty huge.
Ah yes, you're projecting again. tsk tsk.
Feel free to pretend I'm unhappy or have a chip on my shoulder or any other delusion that helps you make it through the day. I won't try to confuse you with the truth once you've made up your mind. I'm well accustomed to the tactics that fundies use to maintain their false belief system.
 Snotsure
Joined: 9/14/2009
Msg: 39
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Posted: 3/2/2010 5:31:02 AM

like this poster snotsure/mr.chicken or whatever profile he
is currently using


Maybe I am Jesus....



(I may also have a bridge for sale)
 Corner GasGuy
Joined: 3/16/2009
Msg: 40
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Posted: 3/13/2010 1:39:14 PM
The Miami Herald > News > Florida > Florida AP
Florida AP

* Saturday, 03.13.10
Bartow woman, 55, dies during lengthy fast
The Associated Press

BARTOW, Fla. -- The husband of a Florida woman who died alone during a religious fast says he was trying to respect the woman's wishes by not disturbing her.

Evelyn Boyd locked herself in a bedroom to pray and fast in early February. The 55-year-old woman didn't come out of the room for weeks. By the time family members forced the bedroom door open, Boyd was dead.

Boyd's husband, John, says his wife had fasted before. He says she was "doing what she loved to do and what she felt God had called her to do."

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said authorities don't expect to file criminal charges in the case, which is still being investigated. An exact cause of death isn't clear yet.
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An act of extreme religious devotion or delusional thinking? IMO, the same.
 DameWrite
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Imagine There Is No Religion
Posted: 3/15/2010 2:00:51 AM
Check out secular humanism.
 mcalgary
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Posted: 3/15/2010 9:39:05 PM
secular humanism has grown out of religion. People who have become disolutioned with religion but still have compassion for others have brought this on.

The question would be would there be secular compassion if not for religion first??
 rockondon
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Posted: 3/15/2010 11:12:32 PM

In many ways, we obtain morality from religion...


The question would be would there be secular compassion if not for religion first??

Do people think that animals have morals because of religious teachings?
Do people think that religion grew from rocks or something before humans came on the scene? They must think that, judging by the lack of awareness that humans actually wrote religions. So, obviously, we had morals before those religions were created in order for us to write them down. Thousands of years before, surely. Mankind is a social animal in a social setting therefore morality is an evolutionary trait.

Also, while many people like to pretend that morality comes solely from religion, that's a delusion as well. We also get morals from our parents, friends, siblings, books, media, laws, philosophy, an innate sense of right and wrong, our experiences, etc. So if we didn't have religion, we would still retain morals from numerous other sources.
 ~JustSimplyMe~
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Posted: 3/15/2010 11:49:41 PM
^^^ I wish there was a 'like' button on here :)
 rockondon
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Posted: 3/18/2010 9:05:57 AM

Gourmand: ^^^I agree....we may need to clone him lol! Just out of curiosity, what would the other button be called??

Clone me? Even one of me is way too many. Two would be disastrous - unless he'd be willing to do chores - that would be cool.
The other button might be a 'dislike' button. I'm sure I'd see mine clicked lots of times.

emme7: This is one of these questions that is simply mind boggling and while I know the OP is quoting a John Lennon song, it is hard to do.
I know a woman that died recently and the pastor of the church where the funeral was to be held called her daughter to ask what song to play. Her daughter told them that the John Lennon song "Imagine" was her mom's favorite song.
Naturally, the church refused to play it because of that one lyric.
 ki1983
Joined: 3/14/2010
Msg: 46
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Posted: 3/18/2010 4:26:44 PM
having religion is a good thing, but using religion for people's own prepose is a whole deferent story.

Religion gives people hope, restraint people from doing bad things. But some people used religion for their ambition, greediness. The holy war was not about "who is the real god", it was about gold, treasure, women, land, resource. It becomes a tool of politician to control people.

When you were a child, do you need your parents to tell you how to do things correctly or you just know how to do it? Lets think the entire human as a 10 years old child, he knows something, but not everything, don't you think he should be guided by someone or something greater? Look what we did to this planet... do you still consider religion is a bunch of hogwash.
 mcalgary
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Posted: 3/18/2010 10:18:03 PM
^^^^

excellent post ki. Right on the mark.
 Corner GasGuy
Joined: 3/16/2009
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Posted: 3/27/2010 10:37:17 AM
Circumcised son at home.


By ANDREA WOO, VANCOUVER SUN March 26, 2010.



METRO VANCOUVER — A Metro Vancouver man who circumcised his four-year-old son at home with a razor blade and blood coagulant meant for horses was sentenced Thursday to one year in jail followed by two years probation.

The man, identified only as DJW due to a publication ban, was found guilty in B.C. Supreme Court in October of criminal negligence causing bodily harm.

On Wednesday, prosecutor Daniel Porte called for a jail term of 12 to 24 months followed by three years probation.

In April 2007, the man gave his son, DJ, honey wine before placing him on garbage bags on the kitchen floor. DJW then cut away the boy's foreskin with a razor blade.

As his son cried, the man sprinkled on him Wonder Dust, a blood coagulant meant for horses.

According to a summary of the case in Justice Marion Allan's October 2009 ruling, DJW, a former Jehovah's Witness, had told DJ the procedure would grant him "extra special protection from God" and allow him to eat Passover lamb, ice cream and pick all the movies he wanted for a week.

DJ eventually had to be taken to hospital, where the circumcision was completed.

DJW initially claimed a religious exemption but dropped the argument based on the judge's finding that the procedure wasn't performed with reasonable care, his former lawyer, Doug Christie told The Vancouver Sun in October.

The summary of the case also noted that in late 2004 or early 2005, DJW circumcised himself, using Band-Aids, peroxide and a roll of gauze and a clear plastic ring, which he believed would act as an anesthetic. The procedure left his penis infected.

DJ and his sister now live with their mother and DJW is banned from seeing them.

Another BELIEVER commits an insane act in the name of RELIGION.
 Ed Bear
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Posted: 4/21/2010 2:33:24 AM
"Secular Humanist" is not a term referring to any cohesive group or doctrine; is merely a way of defining non-spiritual atheism in non-religious terms.

"Secular" means without church or temple or spiritual leadership: "Humanist" means, in this context, human-centred - i.e., not putting any gods at the core of our lives.

There are secular theists who believe in a deity but not any religious leadership or church, and others like Unitarians and Buddhists who have strong moral affiliations but no convictions on the existence of gods.

There are two reasons why this term often causes confusion:

1. Many confuse "humanism" with "humanitarianism," to the extent that for many decades, most dictionaries now list "humanitarianism" as a secondary meaning for "humanism."

Note that both religious leaders and animal rights activists, citing the more established meaning of "humanism," denounce it as a sin or crime. It is to this day listed as a formal and mortal heresy by the Catholic church, and the pope regularly rails against humanism and its influences in the modern world.

2. When the draft was being attacked in the US, the courts were only allowed to recognize Conscientious Objectors whose refusal to fight was based on religious belief. Opponents of the draft - and religion - deliberately took a suit to the US Supreme Court demanding atheists be eligible for CO status by describing Secular Humansm as an established religious doctrine.

It was a deliberate stretching of the definition of religion as a step along the way to the eventual ruling that ANY strongly held moral belief, even one not generated by any particular philosophical or religious group, could justify Conscientious Objection. Decades after that battle was won, proponents of religion have used that campaign to tar atheists as members of a faith.

Atheists, Freethinkers, Secular Humanists and all manner of other Unbelievers are rooted in DOUBT, not faith, and THAT is what defines them.
ED BEAR
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