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 Corner GasGuy
Joined: 3/16/2009
Msg: 49
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Circumcised son at home.


METRO VANCOUVER β€” A Metro Vancouver man who circumcised his four-year-old son at home with a razor blade and blood coagulant meant for horses was sentenced Thursday to one year in jail followed by two years probation.

The man, identified only as DJW due to a publication ban, was found guilty in B.C. Supreme Court in October of criminal negligence causing bodily harm.

On Wednesday, prosecutor Daniel Porte called for a jail term of 12 to 24 months followed by three years probation.

In April 2007, the man gave his son, DJ, honey wine before placing him on garbage bags on the kitchen floor. DJW then cut away the boy's foreskin with a razor blade.

As his son cried, the man sprinkled on him Wonder Dust, a blood coagulant meant for horses.

According to a summary of the case in Justice Marion Allan's October 2009 ruling, DJW, a former Jehovah's Witness, had told DJ the procedure would grant him "extra special protection from God" and allow him to eat Passover lamb, ice cream and pick all the movies he wanted for a week.

DJ eventually had to be taken to hospital, where the circumcision was completed.

DJW initially claimed a religious exemption but dropped the argument based on the judge's finding that the procedure wasn't performed with reasonable care, his former lawyer, Doug Christie told The Vancouver Sun in October.

The summary of the case also noted that in late 2004 or early 2005, DJW circumcised himself, using Band-Aids, peroxide and a roll of gauze and a clear plastic ring, which he believed would act as an anesthetic. The procedure left his penis infected.

DJ and his sister now live with their mother and DJW is banned from seeing them.

Another BELIEVER commits an insane act in the name of RELIGION.
 Ed Bear
Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 50
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Imagine There Is No Religion
Posted: 4/21/2010 2:33:24 AM
"Secular Humanist" is not a term referring to any cohesive group or doctrine; is merely a way of defining non-spiritual atheism in non-religious terms.

"Secular" means without church or temple or spiritual leadership: "Humanist" means, in this context, human-centred - i.e., not putting any gods at the core of our lives.

There are secular theists who believe in a deity but not any religious leadership or church, and others like Unitarians and Buddhists who have strong moral affiliations but no convictions on the existence of gods.

There are two reasons why this term often causes confusion:

1. Many confuse "humanism" with "humanitarianism," to the extent that for many decades, most dictionaries now list "humanitarianism" as a secondary meaning for "humanism."

Note that both religious leaders and animal rights activists, citing the more established meaning of "humanism," denounce it as a sin or crime. It is to this day listed as a formal and mortal heresy by the Catholic church, and the pope regularly rails against humanism and its influences in the modern world.

2. When the draft was being attacked in the US, the courts were only allowed to recognize Conscientious Objectors whose refusal to fight was based on religious belief. Opponents of the draft - and religion - deliberately took a suit to the US Supreme Court demanding atheists be eligible for CO status by describing Secular Humansm as an established religious doctrine.

It was a deliberate stretching of the definition of religion as a step along the way to the eventual ruling that ANY strongly held moral belief, even one not generated by any particular philosophical or religious group, could justify Conscientious Objection. Decades after that battle was won, proponents of religion have used that campaign to tar atheists as members of a faith.

Atheists, Freethinkers, Secular Humanists and all manner of other Unbelievers are rooted in DOUBT, not faith, and THAT is what defines them.
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 51
Imagine There Is No Religion
Posted: 4/22/2010 10:35:05 AM
I shudder when I think of all the atrocities committed ( and still being committed) in the name of religion....Christianity included. Some people need "faith" in one form or another to keep their life focused. I can respect their beliefs, but how many respect my lack of "faith"? Why do we need a belief in a "higher power" to give our life meaning?
Joined: 4/13/2010
Msg: 52
Imagine There Is No Religion
Posted: 4/28/2010 5:47:21 PM
lol religion

Don't have time for imaginary shit like this. Get real.

But sure, whatever keeps people sleeping soundly at night, in the assurance that a large angry pixie in the sky is watching them.

Also religion/no religion life will remain the same. All about people etc
Joined: 11/9/2008
Msg: 53
Imagine There Is No Religion
Posted: 4/28/2010 10:00:21 PM
From today's Calgary Sun:

(Copenhagen) A study called "The Power of Charisma", shows that when believers listen to people deemed to have religious authority, the part of their brain responsible for skepticism becomes less active. The study was published in "Social Cognitive and Affective Neuroscience".
Joined: 2/21/2007
Msg: 54
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Posted: 4/30/2010 12:28:39 AM

β€œIt's not 100 per cent that it is Noah's Ark, but we think it is 99.9 per cent that this is it,” researcher Yeung Wing-Cheung told Agence-France Presse.
They found the Ark again? How many times have people found this ship now. It seems like every time a fundie trips on a log they insist it must be the mast to Noah's ark.

Without religion, ordinary people would not believe in ridiculous stories like the Noah's ark myth. A rational mind would take pause when considering the absurdities one would have to swallow to accept this tale, such as...
- millions of animals on a boat...for about a year....nuff said
- what if after a few months some of those animals want to something. Did Noah store a billion tons of food in the freezer.
- try picturing an australian snail cruising across the continent and when it reaches the ocean it says "hey, I won't let this puddle get in the way...I'll swim to the middle east no problem!"
- creatures that live in arctic temperatures will be similarly excited about languishing in the hot, dry, middle east.
- tyrannosaurus got along fine with all the animals, despite months of starvation.
- after all the dinosaurs died, their corpses buried themselves below more contemporary fossils to fool us logical types into thinking they didn't live at the same time as us.
- with all the plants submerged, what if the animals wanted to something crazy like...breathe oxygen.
Joined: 2/8/2010
Msg: 55
Imagine There Is No Religion
Posted: 5/3/2010 12:45:06 AM
I don't think that religion itself is bad. It is true that people do horrible things in the name of religion. Also, many people follow blindly and don't question religious dogma with proper skepticism. However, most world religions have a lot of good ideas embedded within them--kindness, fidelity, charity, and many other great virtues. When people go to their house of worship, they are reminded of those virtues. It is always a good thing, because we sure don't get it from T.V. or pop music. Non-religious people may get their reminders from thoughtful books, or their children, or their partners.
Most religions also espouse the idea of taking time to regularly meditate and pray. Everyone needs to be quiet now and then to take stock of what is really important. While I don't embrace any religion, I do embrace the idea that we have a soul and I think that religion can nourish that soul.
Some people have done bad stuff for religion, but a lot of good has been done too. Have you ever met a truly devoted nun? I knew a nun once who spent all day every day helping people--it was her calling. She didn't judge or preach. All she did was help people in need. I didn't even know she was a nun until I'd spent almost six months working with her. I just thought she was an extraordinary woman. Did her religion help her to be extraordinary? The jury is still out on that one.
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