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 specialfxgirl
Joined: 7/5/2005
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this is a whacky one just for huukdonfoniks
Been to the moon or not??? Even though there is some interesting evidence that make you wonder???? Its not have they been or not.... (Since they left enough stuff behind to pretty close the case on going).......but did they go in the Apollo program or like so many of the "ex army/navy /airforce" types not to mention the imfamous "Commander X" that tells of the OTHER secret space program using alien technology.........Yes folks to the moon and mars in real space ships......
 Montreal_Guy
Joined: 3/8/2004
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Posted: 10/6/2007 7:53:50 PM
Well, considering I'm probably one of those people you are addressing.....

That there is a lot of confusion, and shoddy investigation, concerning 9/11, on that we probably agree. As to the why ? I strongly believe it's due to an administration that was asleep at the wheel over the most obvious threat to the nation.

The 9/11 conspiracy theorists who argue that no commercial airliners were used turn me off totally to the idea. There's more than enough evidence to prove that.

All the warnings, the Phoenix memo, the arrest of someone training to do exactly the type of attack done that day, the evidence concerning that, his confession ...

That's the best proof that the government wasn't directly behind it, except for allowing it a far greater chance of success by doing nothing. Had they directed the attack, at least some mention of the threat would have been made. Not having done that makes them look like idiots.

Releasing Operation Northwood to the public in April 2001 ? A plan that essentially mirrors this type of operation, and proves that the American government could actually propose such a plan ?

Not too bright either...if you are about to do it.

Bush's father meeting with the prime suspects father at a business meeting the same day ? Again, not too bright. The President's brother working for a security firm covering the WTC ? The only thing they didn't do was all wear clothes advertising it : " We're planning this massive conspiracy, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"

The concept that buildings could be pre-wired with explosives that survive plane hits ? Sorry.....doesn't work for me. Not after reading the type of damage done by those planes impact.

All the people on them no longer here ? Their body parts and DNA recovered at the scene ? As I've said, all it would take is one survivor getting an independent test done to see if it really was them. If it is, then the conspiracy involves not only all that happened on that day, but another group killing these passengers and somehow getting their remains into all those buildings unnoticed. Again, doesn't work for me.

The concept that the conspiracy theorists try and make those buildings appear far stronger than they actually were before collapse, to help their theory ? Not supported by the historical testimony of the best witnesses, the NYFD.

They seem to argue that the NTFD and NYPD are all in on this conspiracy, by their silence. No one speaks out against their murder ? Again, doesn't fit...so I must acquit.

No WMD's found in Iraq, when that was far easier to pull off ? Again, that makes them look bad. If 9/'11 leads to Iraq (and certainly the use of it by this administration in this regard confirms that) , then failing to find what they told the world they KNEW was there was a critical error.

All these things and more, plus the complexity of such a plan to even begin with (with no credible person coming forth to point it out) , all this tells me that those planes hit the buildings in a terrorist act and the resulting damage collapsed them.

If you want to fit that scenario in with your conspiracy theory , I'll perhaps start to agree with at least some of your points.

If it starts with exceptionally weak (or no) commercial airliners hitting those buildings, and then those buildings being made to look far stronger (when actually seen as possible collapses approaching long before the "charges" were blown) - then we will remain on either side of this Great Divide.
 Montreal_Guy
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Posted: 10/6/2007 8:54:38 PM

I do not cater to theory. I cater to fact. I question the Pentagon for the simple reason that NO CLEAR FOOTAGE has ever been shown. WHY?


Again, from my work experience, I have an easy answer for that. I've worked with surveillance cameras since 1996. That qualifies me, as someone with eleven years of working with the technology, in commenting.

Those CCTV cameras are directed against human threats. People, car bombs, entrances, secure areas ....etc. Especially then, even at the Pentagon, they were not high quality cameras. At that time, videotape recorders were used , at maximum economy for tape.

They weren't there to spot crashing planes, especially in an area under renovation. It's no surprise that cameras surrounding the Pentagon didn't catch it either. They weren't protecting it, they were protecting those same things I mentioned - the obvious human threat areas.

They are not high speed, and won't reveal much information because of that limitation. They are not high quality either, because (at that time) tape recorders were being used at maximum economy.

They are one heck of a lot better today, with DVD recording or hard disk. They would still face the same limitations of being typically directed to those "high threat" areas. They are still heavily compressed .
 chuckkkk
Joined: 8/26/2006
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Posted: 10/8/2007 12:46:01 AM
I don't trust you watchman. You are a misdirector I believe, how nutty it is to say there is no conspiracy. What idiot believes that?

What about voter fraud? Look up Diebold voter fraud or www.blackboxvoting.org

How about secret societies and the presidents that is a proven and provable conspiracy imo. If you add in the largest inverted pentagram within the roads at the white house you have a great start to your novel. Google earth that or the pentagram er ah pena....

What about war profit and conflict of interest? Or an owned media where you can research the owners etc..

You are full of crap and you know it. Now go tell your buddy to boot my comments and erase my profile like you right wing goonies do very often.

No conspiracy, no wonder you are alone. You are a misdirection lying fool.

jmo
 And1_Style
Joined: 6/11/2006
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Posted: 6/6/2008 12:30:25 AM
9/11 being an inside job as government sponsored terrorism. That's the most evident conspiracy out there I think. I followed the money and the party that stood to gain the most by miles is the bush administration and the peopel above him. WMD bullshit. we've been duped big time. More compelling evidence on that subject than any other I find.
videogoogle.com and search 911 mysteries. if its still up. shows how the world trade center was designed to withstand multiple hits frm jetliners as the engineer discussed in the documentary. that wiht bombs in th ebuildings, evidence of that, NORAD standign down the whoel time. big mess, too many quesitons, wouldn't know where to begin really.
 monongahela
Joined: 11/25/2008
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Posted: 3/2/2009 7:55:26 AM
If we all would check the history books we would see that one of our own bombers while flying through fog hit the Empire State Building in 1943. Only a few people died, and the building is still standing.
 RDtoo
Joined: 1/30/2005
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Posted: 3/2/2009 9:41:33 PM
The other day I was reading about a 150 year old newspaper, the Rocky Mountain News going out of business. There were comments that the internet has made newspapers practically defunct. I started thinking of all the other jobs that the internet has made defunct. These jobs are never coming back. We have a world with too many people and too few jobs. Does anyone think the government or the secret government needs to get rid of a bunch of us for economic stability to return?
 scorpiomover
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Posted: 3/8/2009 5:12:17 PM
Anyone notice that Iraq is one of side of Iran, and Afghanistan is on the other? That puts Iran squarely between 2 American bases. AFAIK, in military strategy, that's called a "pincer movement". Basically, they're boxed in like sardines. Easy pickings.

Anyone also notice that before 9/11 and the War on Terror, Iran was the enemy of America, and America couldn't do anything about it, because it was protected on both sides by strongly Islamic and militant countries? Anyone notice how before the War on Terror, war with Iran was unthinkable? Well, now it's possible.

Now, once America either has control of Iran, or has Iran giving them control of their oil, America will have strong control over all the oil in the Middle East, because all the other countries in the Middle East already are dealing with America. Since America is using oil like it's going out of fashion, then given that we know oil is going to run out soon, it makes perfect sense to grab all the oil now, while they can.

If I was a betting man, I'd bet that someone planned all this. Looks like a great way to take control of oil, and blame it on "National Security". All you need is to "ignore" a few warnings. Hey, weren't America warned that Pearl Harbour was likely to be attacked, and ignored it? Is it definite that Americans never expected Kamikaze missions, given how many Kamikaze missions they experienced in WWII? Is it definite that American Intelligence Services knew nothing about this? 9/11 kept Bush in the White House, and gave him an open ticket to do what he wanted.

I'm just asking questions.
 RDtoo
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Posted: 3/9/2009 12:27:40 AM
Interesting post wantasmart1. I don't see how another world war would be possible though, without involving nuclear weapons which would be a death sentence for most of the planet. I am thinking that getting rid of unwanted population would come in the form of a major salmonella outbreak or similar. Maybe the recent peanut butter scare was a test?
 RDtoo
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Posted: 11/13/2010 1:13:43 AM
Just watched an episode of a tv show called "Conspiracy Theory" hosted by Jesse "the body" Ventura. Alex Jones was on hand directing Jesse to fusion centers that are operating and collecting data on U.S. citizens. Interesting but I wondered if it was a real investigation or something put on for tv?
 Metreau
Joined: 7/30/2004
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Posted: 12/20/2010 9:28:37 PM
Here are a couple of conspiracy theories (which are proven without question):

General Motors (and the Streetcars)

The Tuskegee Experiments

Watergate

Gulf of Tonkin

Fluoride, Lithium, and other chemicals added into the public drinking water

The end of the Reconstruction Acts in the U.S. (if you view it that way)

Anyone who questions whether these are conspiracies or not needs to be punched in the face. These have all been proven to be conspiracies, and the research is very clear about each of these events.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 12/27/2010 11:52:41 AM
I can't support punching people out for failing to recognize that these were all conspiracies, or the result of conspiracies, but it IS an excellent list of real things that were done in underhanded ways, for private gain by powerful individuals. I haven't heard about LITHIUM in the water though, I'll have to check that one out.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
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Posted: 12/29/2010 11:45:37 AM
I give credence to the theory that the TWA 800 explosion was actually an accidental shoot-down by a US Navy missile test. Airplanes aren't known for spontaneously exploding.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 1/4/2011 11:42:54 AM
Actually, the way I heard it, TWA 800 was the SECOND 747 to explode due to Boeing's unsafe fuel tank design. The first one exploded on the ground, without a load of passengers in it, so it wasn't publicized much. To this day, Boeing has not done what was RECOMMENDED they do to correct the problems (inject inert gases into the fuel tanks when emptying), instead they found what they HOPE is a cheaper "fix," altering the wiring a bit.
 jed456
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Posted: 2/15/2011 2:17:33 PM
The Tuskegee Experiments

Absolutely although not a conspiracy theory but fact as you noted.Horrible events.
July 25, 2002 --Thirty years ago today, the Washington Evening Star newspaper ran this headline on its front page: "Syphilis Patients Died Untreated." With those words, one of America's most notorious medical studies, the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, became public.

"For 40 years, the U.S. Public Health Service has conducted a study in which human guinea pigs, not given proper treatment, have died of syphilis and its side effects," Associated Press reporter Jean Heller wrote on July 25, 1972. "The study was conducted to determine from autopsies what the disease does to the human body."

The next morning, every major U.S. newspaper was running Heller's story. For Morning Edition, NPR's Alex Chadwick reports on how the Tuskegee experiment was discovered after 40 years of silence.

The Public Health Service, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began the study in 1932. Nearly 400 poor black men with syphilis from Macon County, Ala., were enrolled in the study. They were never told they had syphilis, nor were they ever treated for it. According to the Centers for Disease Control, the men were told they were being treated for "bad blood," a local term used to describe several illnesses, including syphilis, anemia and fatigue.

For participating in the study, the men were given free medical exams, free meals and free burial insurance.

At the start of the study, there was no proven treatment for syphilis. But even after penicillin became a standard cure for the disease in 1947, the medicine was withheld from the men. The Tuskegee scientists wanted to continue to study how the disease spreads and kills. The experiment lasted four decades, until public health workers leaked the story to the media.

By then, dozens of the men had died, and many wives and children had been infected. In 1973, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) filed a class-action lawsuit. A $9 million settlement was divided among the study's participants. Free health care was given to the men who were still living, and to infected wives, widows and children.

But it wasn't until 1997 that the government formally apologized for the unethical study. President Clinton delivered the apology, saying what the government had done was deeply, profoundly and morally wrong:

"To the survivors, to the wives and family members, the children and the grandchildren, I say what you know: No power on Earth can give you back the lives lost, the pain suffered, the years of internal torment and anguish.

"What was done cannot be undone. But we can end the silence. We can stop turning our heads away. We can look at you in the eye and finally say, on behalf of the American people: what the United States government did was shameful.

"And I am sorry."
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 3/14/2011 6:32:30 PM
How about the possibility that a Conservative sub group PURPOSELY drove the American Economy into the crapper, just so that they could use the excuse to kill unions, and shut down social support programs?
Just putting it out there. I don't think they are that smart, myself.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 4/1/2011 8:47:38 PM
I DO think they are crass enough to USE this mess to do the same things in the name of "deficit reduction." More of the fodder for conspiracy theories comes from the vultures lined up along the side of any event, than from the actual lead players and instigators.
 RDtoo
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Posted: 10/23/2011 2:52:34 PM
The end of the Reconstruction Acts???? Reconstruction destroyed what was left of the South and caused the formation of the Ku Klux Klan. Not sure what the point was here.
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