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 timetravlr
Joined: 6/7/2006
Msg: 35
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I've heard that it will burn the skin of vampires and Muslim Fundamentalists
will burst into flame if doused wit it.

Holy water? Your kidding right. You do know that this is the 21st century.
 zentral
Joined: 10/30/2005
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Posted: 8/15/2007 9:52:04 AM
H2O-GOD!

Hmmm, no, don't recognize that chemical formula. It's all about symbolism, in my opinion, and perhaps the placebo effect if you really believe in it. Symbolism can be a wonderful thing, though.
 lc44906
Joined: 7/30/2007
Msg: 37
Do You Think That Holy Water Has An Extra Property?
Posted: 8/15/2007 12:08:10 PM

VooDoo practice in Haiti, is incredibly powerful and while not seen as a religion


Not a religion according to whom? It certainly qualifies as a religion. It has a sacerdotal, a laity, many prescribed rites & rituals, Higher Spiritual Beings, special holidays and observances, offerings with protocols, prayers & teachings, etc.

That is a bonafide religion. Just because it may not look nor act like a mainstream religion does not give you nor anyone else the right to tell the believers of Vodu (Vodou, Voudoun, Vudu) that their religion is not a religion.

I suppose next you'll be stating that Taoism is not a religion or Hindusim is not a religion because it's not Xian, Jewish or Muslim??? That's arrogant.
 StarManta
Joined: 8/5/2007
Msg: 38
Do You Think That Holy Water Has An Extra Property?
Posted: 8/15/2007 3:11:09 PM
Holy water is as special as bottled water.

That is, if you think bottled water tastes better, it will taste better to you (even though it's still just tap water).

If you think holy water is special, you will act like it is special, and that gives it its specialness. Even though it's jut tap water.
 dude/2
Joined: 3/7/2008
Msg: 39
Do You Think That Holy Water Has An Extra Property?
Posted: 7/22/2008 2:49:14 PM
Eagle woman,,,sometime ago kids in a biology class up in Nova Scotia,...disscovered that scallop shells placed in a pollutted pond , cleaned up the water in the pond in no time.... The story is probably still in the internet somewhere...
 Guy Named Ray
Joined: 2/19/2008
Msg: 40
Do You Think That Holy Water Has An Extra Property?
Posted: 7/22/2008 10:29:04 PM
IMO holy water is a spiritual placebo.
 Hagars
Joined: 4/20/2008
Msg: 41
Do You Think That Holy Water Has An Extra Property?
Posted: 7/22/2008 11:37:57 PM

It doesn't matter to me who does it


what about a pedophile priest?

or a sheik promoting suicide bombing?
 hereshecomesagain
Joined: 3/20/2008
Msg: 42
Do You Think That Holy Water Has An Extra Property?
Posted: 7/23/2008 6:40:55 AM
I forget his name, but a Japanese researched proved, through a great deal of study, that the properties of water can be greatly influenced by someone just holding it and thinking about it. How they think about it, changes the water. NOW, does that mean that a person meditating on healing, or holiness can impart those qualities to water? I don't know, but I believe so because I have personally seen anecdotal evidence that was quite convincing in real life.

Science itself has proved that nothing is solid, that all molecules move and that brain power alone can influence the movement of said molecules. So maybe someday someone will figure out how to walk through walls. I think children can. My brother used to complain about me doing that as a child. I don't remember that, specifically, though I do recall putting my hand through a coffee table and pulling it back out again to get something that was under it, with the whole room freaking out. I recall that I couldn't bring the thing I had grabbed through the table, only my hand.

So if even science is backing up the possibility of brain power, meditation, influencing molecular movement and the properties of it, and if so many people have seen miracles of healing and life changing just over a sprinkling of *holy water* I'm not gonna be the one to say that it's all garbage, I will, however, be the first one to duck and hide from it when a pastor of priest is sprinkling it, because if he is the one who influenced the water, all I know it, it's been a long time since I met someone in that position who didn't have a rather unholy agenda.
 Guy Named Ray
Joined: 2/19/2008
Msg: 43
Do You Think That Holy Water Has An Extra Property?
Posted: 7/23/2008 7:42:46 AM
I forget his name, but a Japanese researched proved, through a great deal of study, that the properties of water can be greatly influenced by someone just holding it and thinking about it.
Maybe the results were greatly influenced by the researchers thinking about whether the properties of water could be influenced by someone just holding the water and thinking about it? Or maybe the two combined to influence both the study and the water? Or maybe the scientific instruments used to test the water changed the water through molecular exchange of chemical, physical and/or electrical properties? Then again there is the old stand-by ---- my deity did it.
 chelloveck
Joined: 6/2/2007
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Posted: 7/23/2008 7:52:23 AM
Undoubtedly, Holy Water can have an extra property!!


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WJP-4C834KB-6&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=34a6d67eaae649e9715c50819dae7f15



Abstract
A case of hospital-acquired infection due to Acinetobacter baumanii in a burns patient after exposure to holy water is described. In order to assess the infection risk, 13 samples of holy water were cultured for bacteria, (including legionellae) and yeasts. Viable bacterial counts ranged from 1·3 × 103–3·8 × 108 cfu/L (mean 3·1 × 107 cfu/L). A wide range of bacterial species was isolated including Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Enterobacter spp. Escherichia coli and Aeromonas hydrophila. Candida spp. were isolated from two samples, but legionellae from none. Holy water would, therefore, seem to be a potential risk factor for hospital-acquired infection.

Author Keywords: Holy water; nosocomial infection


I'd be boiling the bejeebus out of it, before having it sprinkled anywhere near me, though I dare say iodine or bleach would probably work too
 taurus516
Joined: 11/3/2004
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Posted: 7/23/2008 11:41:21 AM
One thing that's always puzzled me is how they use it in all of those exorcism movies. I mean, you see a priest sprinkle it on the possessed and the demoniac writhes in agony with blisters forming where the holy water hit.

If it's so powerful a weapon, why do they always use it in those tiny vials? Why not have the priest bless a fire tanker truck and use a fire hose? At least load up a SuperSoaker 2000 and start blasting!
 clarence clutterbuck
Joined: 4/13/2008
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Posted: 7/23/2008 2:15:32 PM
One thing that's always puzzled me is how they use it in all of those exorcism movies. I mean, you see a priest sprinkle it on the possessed and the demoniac writhes in agony with blisters forming where the holy water hit.

If it's so powerful a weapon, why do they always use it in those tiny vials? Why not have the priest bless a fire tanker truck and use a fire hose? At least load up a SuperSoaker 2000 and start blasting!


My guess on this one is that a single priest would have a limited blessing capacity, otherwise he could wave his hand over an ocean and bless the worlds whole oceanic contents at a stroke. The water vapour that then evaporated from the oceans and condensed into rainclouds would fill the Earth's reservoirs with the holy stuff so there'd be no way anyone could get away from it. (I'm assuming here that the property of holiness is not lost in the distillation process). This would mean that folks unlucky enough to be possessed by demons in tacky exorcism movies wouldn't be able to shower or have a drink 'cause any contact whatsoever with water would burn their exteriors or throats. So the question is, how much water can a priest effectively bless in one go without it losing a degree of potency?
 SweetLeighofArkansas
Joined: 5/13/2008
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Posted: 7/23/2008 2:26:33 PM
Hi all,

Have any of you heard of Emoto? Type in the search Emoto-Water.

Also, there was a doctor who was a POW who healed other prisoners with water. Water was all he had to help them with.

Email me for more information on both.

Leigh
 greg8001
Joined: 7/10/2008
Msg: 49
Do You Think That Holy Water Has An Extra Property?
Posted: 7/23/2008 7:30:43 PM
I don't think blessing water gives it magical properties which fundamentally alter its physical nature in such a way scientists can detect. Unblessed water is H20, as is blessed water.

What blessing water does do, at least in the prayers I've seen in the Catholic church, is to make the water holy. I think the concept of holiness is more useful. To pray for the water to be made holy is to pray for God's spiritual prescence (the Holy Spirit) to enter the water and fill it with God's holiness. After the water is consecrated, it is used for sacramental purposes, such as baptism or blessing.

There is a danger of spiritual abuse (superstition) when people begin to only see a sacred or holy thing as something for their own selfish use, rather than something filled with the prescence of the divine. The entire world and everything in it is already holy, since it is an expression and reflection of the divine. Sacramental or prayerful blessings of water and other objects simply help us to remember this fact, and make us feel reverent and grateful towards the world in which we are gifted to exist in and be a part of.
 TheLimey
Joined: 2/24/2008
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Posted: 7/23/2008 8:01:13 PM
Only in Vampire movies.....
 The Lone Haranguer
Joined: 3/23/2008
Msg: 51
Do You Think That Holy Water Has An Extra Property?
Posted: 7/23/2008 8:02:40 PM
Personally, I prefer Holier-than-Thou water.

You know, the kind with the extra Pope-iness. It's positively Pontiff-ilicious!

+<{| ;- )
 o4
Joined: 4/7/2007
Msg: 52
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Posted: 7/23/2008 10:13:24 PM
Lone Haraguer, That was funny! I hate to admit it, but it really hit my funny bone! Thanks!

OP: I have no doubt in my mind that it has power.....but let me illustrate my point with a completely different example, and of different qualities and magnitude:

I was at a Boy Scout summer camp a few weeks ago. On the last night of the camp, the leader of the ceremonies invited each of us in the audience to come up after the evening and take a spoonful of the ashes from our campfire that night. He explained that he wanted us then to take that spoonful and put them in some future special campfire again, and then to keep repeating the tradition and sharing with other visiting scout troop campers over and over again. He then told us about the last fire that some of the ashes of this night's fire had been from, and the one before that, and so on, until he simply started listing the countries that had shared some of their ashes with these in their lineage. He must have named well over two dozen countries as he read from a crumpled piece of yellow paper documenting these ashes "family-tree". And as this went on, most that I talked to after, said that they felt the importance, or the "spirit", of the point of the tradition of the ashes.....all started thinking about the meaning of our connectedness and the importance of tradition and sharing, and the bonding that campfires make for those gathered round, and how the ties all add up to our commonalities and call for ends to our differences in thoughts, words, and deeds. It really added up to realizations of things that are bigger than any of us, and hush and reverence fell through our group of campers. All just simply over ashes being passed from one scout fire to another. But those ashes had power to change each of us if we allowed to give consideration and thought to what they stood for through their travels and common bonds. Quite powerful within the context of their spirit and realm.

Blessed water? Certainly more important than mere ashes from a fire! Again something tangible, but this time something which traces its roots back into a heritage....this time, to contact with God. Just as the rites of Communion and Baptism have power for those that believe (and I am one who does), so too would this water have value and powers as an instrument for works within its audience of believers. The trick though is to know it in its Greater role and realm.
 Raveninns
Joined: 7/19/2005
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Posted: 7/24/2008 6:48:45 AM

And as this went on, most that I talked to after, said that they felt the importance, or the "spirit", of the point of the tradition of the ashes.....all started thinking about the meaning of our connectedness and the importance of tradition and sharing, and the bonding that campfires make for those gathered round, and how the ties all add up to our commonalities and call for ends to our differences in thoughts, words, and deeds. It really added up to realizations of things that are bigger than any of us, and hush and reverence fell through our group of campers. All just simply over ashes being passed from one scout fire to another. But those ashes had power to change each of us if we allowed to give consideration and thought to what they stood for through their travels and common bonds. Quite powerful within the context of their spirit and realm.


Oh, how wonderful!

Really makes me believe that there's a worldwide "movement " beginning. Wow.

Cheers, Raven
 NotWithThis
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Posted: 7/24/2008 7:15:21 AM
Anything which has been endowed with extra thought and passion has those vibes. I have made talismans to help friends while they travelled. It works. If a person's motives and intentions are clean, and they direct them onto an object, that object will radiate those intentions. Hence voodoo dolls, talismans, holy water, etc.
It is what is behind witchcraft both white and black. If you do a little dance and light a candle and some incense, it enhances it even more. Just a basic "law" of reality.
 NERO1
Joined: 3/8/2008
Msg: 55
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Posted: 7/24/2008 7:24:43 AM
It would be the "placebo effect", IMO. It's psychological balm, for the most part. If you believe it's helping you, and you believe in it strongly enough, then it may make you feel (temporarily) better. Similar, IMO, to any faith-based "cures". We had a friend of the family which my father was just telling me about the other day, and this man had had some sort of cancer diagnosed as terminal, and so forth. He went through (as many people do) various types of regular medicine approaches, then he went into holistic-type medicine and New Age sorts of things, and finally he moved towards religion, becoming "born-again" and getting "faith-healed". He claimed the faith healing had gotten rid of it or put it into remission, and he actually did feel better for a couple months than he had before. But within less than half a year he was dead.

It's similar with holy water. It's like clutching a specially blessed rosary, or , having a specific relic with you at all times during a crisis or whatever. It's totally understandable, given the situation. But is it really doing anything?? Well....highly debatable, and a matter of faith alone at that point. If it comforts the patient I say give it to them, in these scenarios.
 yna6
Joined: 1/21/2007
Msg: 56
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Posted: 7/25/2008 3:44:51 PM
I dunno if it has any extra properties or not, but I do know that they kinda frown on you for using the water as a hand washing station. Found that out the hard way....
 NewWayHome
Joined: 9/20/2006
Msg: 57
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Posted: 7/25/2008 3:57:42 PM
So I'm looking through the threads and I see this topic, and I decide to hop in and see what's going on, and what do I find? That my opinion is already here, on page one, and I wrote it two years ago. It's as good today as it was then so scroll back to page one if you're interested.

All I'm going to say here is: oh yeah, I think it does.

Zum zum water, anyone? You can buy it airmail now straight out of Makkah.
 Platojag
Joined: 4/8/2008
Msg: 58
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Posted: 7/26/2008 10:45:03 AM
As far as I know, Holy Water is just water blessed by a spiritual leader, that has been aged for four days in the sun. I was an altar boy, when I was very young, and asked a lot of questions about everything. Also, I became involved in Shamanism (see Native American Spirituality thread) and was also told much the same, about preparing "blessed water". I found the concept of "four days" and "Blessed by the Sun" and interesting parallel between Catholicism & Shamanism. Indigenous beliefs lie closer to the concept of Grandfather Sun being the true "blesser", and the shaman/shamaness being a sort of a "go between" and assistant in the process.
The number FOUR is important in both spiritualities, because of the four points to the cross (Catholicism) ... and the four cardinal directions (Shamanism & other Indigenous Spirituality).
 Squidlette
Joined: 6/22/2008
Msg: 59
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Posted: 7/26/2008 1:38:10 PM
YES! It can make you levitate. Spiritually. :)
 HAGAR TH
Joined: 8/10/2007
Msg: 60
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Posted: 7/27/2008 5:20:20 AM
Dr. Masaru Emoto has been doing research into intention and its effects on water. Recently he published a book on his findings which is very interesting. The results indicate that the health of the water (ie. quality) can be affected by focusing mental and emotional energies on subject samples.

In turn I would have to say there must be some truth to the holy water blessing thing.
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