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 WaywardWynde
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Would you use a prostitute/escort/date? What do u think of people who use them?Page 6 of 11    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11)
The only free sex a man can get is from a woman below his level.


No, that's the easiest, quickest, most sure woman a man can get sex with, *IF* he is into a quickie. A man can indeed get sex with a woman "above his level", as long as it's not too far above his level (about a point and a half on the well-known Zero To Ten Scale). It's just that a women a point and a half down is so completely EAGER to consummate their friendship.

If a guy is a #5 and he wants to party with Super Models, he's gonna haf to find the Super Models willing to get paid for, and pay for them. If a #5 guy is willing to deal with #4 to #6 women, he won't have to worry about his wallet.
 BoonDockSaint73
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Posted: 4/27/2010 10:26:33 PM
The only free sex a man can get is from a woman below his level.


well that doesn't really narrow things down now does it?
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
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Posted: 4/28/2010 7:19:58 AM
I think a WOMAN paying for sex is ridiculous.

That's because you think the only reason you think someone would see an escort is due to sex being otherwise unattainable. A person generally sees an escort because: (1) It's less risky. Escorts are more discreet and for the most part, don't become emotionally attached. For example, a married woman would see an escort over a civilian because an escort isn't going to follow her home or call her husband; (2) She can. Lots of women can afford to pay a few hundred dollars per hour if what they want is to get laid and go home. If what she wants is NSA sex, why not spend a couple hundred bucks on a guy with model looks and a great body instead of spending time looking for someone who's only meh? (3) She can have sex without having to perform. It's her money. She can be selfish, get a massage when she's done and then leave without it taking up the whole night. The list goes on and on. It's not just about having sex. It has a lot to do with the conditions under which you have it.


Most "tricks" for sex workers (the current term for those who engage in sex for money) are seriously social nerds, in fact so inept socially they usually can not hold more than say a GS-3 job.

You have to be kidding. I've seen escorts and my best friend is an escort. A guy with a GS-3 job could not afford to see an escort, except perhaps the ones who are strung out and working the streets for a fix. I wouldn't call those prostitutes so much as I would call them addicts who turn to prostitution as just one way of getting enough money to feed their habit. On the other hand, my escort friend gets 300.00/hour and a dinner date with her is going to run close to 1k (which in terms of a GS-3 salary is almost a week's salary for an hour and more than 2 weeks salary for a dinner date).

 OutMind
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Posted: 4/28/2010 8:48:39 AM

I think a WOMAN paying for sex is ridiculous.


Actually a lot of women Also pay for sex. But it is not the escort that they are paying for, but for the Boy Toy, or the Stud type of guy. They pay by buying him dinner, or cooking for him, or doing things. Some times they even throw money at it, but more than saying, here's 300 bucks, let's go to a hotel. They may say, you like those clubs. I'd buy them for you. They don't necessarily say. I'll buy them for you "IF". They just indicate in a subliminal way what they want. So yes women pay as well.
 WaywardWynde
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Posted: 4/28/2010 8:53:31 AM

I think a WOMAN paying for sex is ridiculous
At first glance your right...a woman can get sex easily, why pay for it.


Well, she may not want it with just anyone, sure she can wait and get with the one she wants.


Every decent looking guy out there has had, over some period of time, a number of women offer him cash equivalents (cars, boats, clothing, apartments, travel, even credit cards) for his company. Virtually ALWAYS a woman the man has already determined he didn't want, either because of her looks or her miserable personality.

The high end gigolo trade specifically searches out women who are both very well off AND truly miserable b3tches to get along with. Usually, the woman is 15 to 30 years older. The high end gigolo EARNS his money, every penny of it.



Most "tricks" for sex workers (the current term for those who engage in sex for money) are seriously social nerds, in fact so inept socially they usually can not hold more than say a GS-3 job.


You have to be kidding. I've seen escorts and my best friend is an escort. A guy with a GS-3 job could not afford to see an escort, except perhaps the ones who are strung out and working the streets for a fix. I wouldn't call those prostitutes so much as I would call them addicts who turn to prostitution as just one way of getting enough money to feed their habit. On the other hand, my escort friend gets 300.00/hour and a dinner date with her is going to run close to 1k (which in terms of a GS-3 salary is almost a week's salary for an hour and more than 2 weeks salary for a dinner date).


Nope, *most* tricks are social nerds unable to effectively interact socially well enough to even get, let alone hold, anything but a very low end job.

However, a *small* minority of tricks -- social nerds though they may be -- are intelligent enough and driven enough to do well in the corporate world. Essentially, they MUST do well in the corporate world if they are to acquire the money they need to spend for pliable -- yet charming, attractive -- female company. *These* tricks have the money, but they also come with a very mean spirit, and can be physically truly dangerous. This small minority is what escorts dream of scoring, but their mean spiritedness and implicit and often explicit danger is the reason (along with chronic excessive alcohol intake as the numbing agent of choice) most escorts leave the business.

Most sex workers, btw, don't make a lot of money. Not even close. Most could do better financially if they were willing to work a 9 to 5 job. Even the high end ones putting in ***the same work and effort*** in a regular job in an office could earn more actual dollars over the course of a couple years.

A glamorous business it ain't, literature notwithstanding.
 ForRumOnly
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Posted: 4/28/2010 11:50:04 AM
Nope, never paid for sex, and don't ever expect to do so. The only time I wasn't able to have sex when I wanted it was in my first marriage, and I only paid a heavy price for the privilege of NOT having sex then! LOL I did have to go without for awhile, though.

All I think of people who do pay for it is how sad it is that they are compelled to go those lengths.
 abelian
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Posted: 4/28/2010 12:07:25 PM

Nope, *most* tricks are social nerds unable to effectively interact socially well enough to even get, let alone hold, anything but a very low end job.

You must watch too much tv.

Most sex workers, btw, don't make a lot of money. Not even close.

They make more than they would make doing regular work.

Most could do better financially if they were willing to work a 9 to 5 job. Even the high end ones putting in ***the same work and effort*** in a regular job in an office could earn more actual dollars over the course of a couple years.

You obviously know nothing about the escort business. Escorting IS a job. The same escorts that can't make money escorting could not hold down a regular job either. The ones who do make money escorting treat escorting as a business and - believe it or not - do work regular hours - like 9-5, literally. Thy get up, go to their incall, wait for clients to call and see clients who call. It's no different than being any other professional who depends on appointments to make money. I happen to know some escorts personally and I know how much they make. (BTW, $300.00/hr is nowhere near the high end.)

A glamorous business it ain't, literature notwithstanding.

No one said it was glamorous. That is not even relevant.
 abelian
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Posted: 4/28/2010 12:13:37 PM

I mean where do most escorts do their 'thing' I'm guessing hotels as well (IDK).

Excluding streetwalkers, most either use nice hotels or have an apartment for an incall. Some work from home, but that's not very smart. Some only do outcalls, i.e., visit men in the guy's preferred location. Upscale clients who value discretion, will expect a nicer and safer environment. Married guys are usually not stupid enough to have an escort to their homes.
 WaywardWynde
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Posted: 4/28/2010 2:37:45 PM

You must watch too much tv.


May I kindly point at my phrase, "literature notwithstanding"? Note, "tv" is considered "literature" in this context.

May I also kindly suggest a universe of six or ten "friends" is not considered a scientifically sound sample size -- nor is it in any way random -- from which to draw valid conclusions? Nor are "stories" told by "friends" and to "friends" in any way considered valid data.

May I also oh so kindly suggest an indepth study of the large body of available peer-reviewed papers published on the business of sex workers and those who patronize such workers before any claims are made of verifiable knowledge in the area?

Please, let's keep the discussion within the bounds of replicable observations.
 WaywardWynde
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Posted: 4/28/2010 3:00:05 PM

(BTW, $300.00/hr is nowhere near the high end.)


Five years ago, the "high end" for sex workers was about $7,000 a night. Some, not many, in the "high end" were making upwards of half million a year. By comparison, some hedge fund billionaires were making twice that -- $1,000,000 -- AN HOUR!

The vast majority of sex workers don't make all that much money before they quit (due to the due physical danger, due to their chronic and excessive use of alcohol as the "numbing agent of choice", due to arrests and incarceration). Those who genuinely do make the "high end" (as opposed to talk, talk), tend to be highly intelligent, and put in a level of effort and dedication and application that if the same were applied to the corporate world they would likely make FAR more money, even within the short timeframe. High end sex workers literally hunt their marks, often spending a thousand hours or more "researching" a likely mark over the space of months and even a year or more. Hunting on the high end is serious business and most who attempt it fail in short order.

The level of effort and dedication required is such that even the very brightest, the most determined of high end sex workers does not have time to research and plan an intervention with more than five or six marks at one time, AND all six marks may come to nothing (for a variety of reasons). That's maybe eighteen months of effort shot.
 abelian
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Posted: 4/28/2010 3:24:30 PM
Note, "tv" is considered "literature" in this context.

If you want to consider things like Starsky and Hutch reruns to be authoritive sources, well, OK. I try to use real examples from real life.

May I also kindly suggest a universe of six or ten "friends" is not considered a scientifically sound sample size -- nor is it in any way random -- from which to draw valid conclusions?

Unlike you, I qualified my comments to represent a segment of the escort business with which I: (1) have first hand knowledge; (2) gave specific examples; (3) have a sample size of more than six or ten friends. The fact that my sample is not random should have been obvious to the most casual observer, since I deliberately stated the types of escorts I excluded and included. I'm not including street walkers nor their clients, so it would be stupid to insist that my sample include include them.

Nor are "stories" told by "friends" and to "friends" in any way considered valid data.

It's considerably more valid than the mere assertions you made. I'm also willing to bet what I get told is more accurate than what the average social worker gets told. If you want to call what I get told, a ``story'' by a friend and call it invalid for that reason, then you must think that ``stories'' told to social workers have some reason to be more accurate. Essentially, you are just pissed that I diagree with the uninformed comments you made and expected to be taken at face value as well as the fact that I had first hand evidence to support what I said.

Please, let's keep the discussion within the bounds of replicable observations.

I already have. Your turn.
 WaywardWynde
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Posted: 4/28/2010 4:10:24 PM
The question orginally was, "What do people think of people who use prostitutes?"

The answer (according to the trained social help and trained psychological community) to what kind of people use prostitutes is:

1.) Most are social nerds too inept to effect or maintain a normal relationship with a woman. Because these men lack ordinary social skills, they normally enjoy at best low end jobs,

2.) A rather small minority has average to above average employment, and these tricks are looking for sexual thrill not available from their regular partner (even though said sexual thrill might be widely practiced in the outside world). These tricks also tend to be mean-spirited and are often dangerous. The majority of sex workers badly injured in the trade are injured by this group. Driven to compensate for perceived social deficiencies, this group can be highly driven in the business world, often obtaining high positions.

3.) Homeless men who collect soda cans to pay for oral interaction with a street walker at 4:00 in the morning.

THAT is what the professional community of social help workers consider the "kind of people who use prostitutes". It is a large community much given to trying to understand the underlying issues so that help may be effectively rendered. The peer-reviewed published work of that community has the data to support their findings.
 mrcyrus
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Posted: 4/28/2010 9:39:23 PM
I'm curious about what this "professional community of social help workers" is. Is this a US-wide group of social workers? Is it specific to one city or state? Do people who hire escorts but don't speak to any kind of social worker factor in to these statistics? I would assume the number of well-adjusted, well-paid tricks is so low because most of them aren't accounted for for obvious reasons.

It seems as if these percentages are taken only from a sample of people who are actually accounted for. I can't imagine everyone who has hired an escort is interviewed about his income and social ability.

I would also make the assumption that a woman who pays for sex also factors in the idea that an escort might actually perform to her satisfaction. Guy-in-bar-eating-a-burrito or professional-sexer? Hm.
 WaywardWynde
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Posted: 4/29/2010 7:16:11 AM
Guys and girls, put on whatever color glasses you want to view the issue ...

... but do keep in mind that the issue of prostitution -- and who provides such, who patronizes such -- is a THOROUGHLY studied, indepth by credentialed professionals -- subject for decades. Such credentialed professionals publish -- for gain in their careers -- **peer reviewed ** articles by the thousands over the years. Peer review is a process in those communitities to weed out the charlottans and just plain shoddy research and those with a political or religious view that colors their conclusions.

IT IS NOT the recorded barroom talk of some guy or guys who scrapped together enough money from their low paying job to rent some pay-by-hour "romance". Nor is it what is passed around as gospel truth in some college fraternity or sorority, or some catty knitting club, or by some former delivery truck driver, or from some church pulpit, or from someone who drove a station wagon down 8th Avenue in New York 30 years old.

It is the work of credentialed professionals publishing peer-reviews articles and books. That (HUGE quantity of) information is readily available to anyone who might wish to spend whatever time they want reading it.

Put on whatever color glases one might be inclined to wear. I reported the views of credentialed professionals, those who wear glasses with clear glass in them.
 abelian
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Posted: 4/29/2010 8:07:23 AM
The answer (according to the trained social help and trained psychological community) to what kind of people use prostitutes is:

Merely asserting that as fact, does not make it so.

The peer-reviewed published work of that community has the data to support their findings.

Hmmmm... Which peer reviewed articles would those be? As a physicist, I've had enough dealings with netkooks who have some personal dislike of modern physics (e.g., relativity) to know that without an actual reference, peer-reviewed can mean anything including: (1) an article in a kook journal, in which case peer-reviewed means reviewed by other kooks; (2) selective reading of a real article which doesn't come close to supporting the claims for which the article is considered evidence, e.g., claiming Einstein secretly didn't believe relativity based on Einstein's published work.


... but do keep in mind that the issue of prostitution -- and who provides such, who patronizes such -- is a THOROUGHLY studied, indepth by credentialed professionals -- subject for decades.

That comment alone is enough to disqualify your comments with respect to escorting since the rise of the internet. The internet has changd the business and the participants a great deal.

Put on whatever color glases one might be inclined to wear.

My disagreement is not about wearing rose-colored glasses. It's about the sweeping generalizations you made, which no peer reviewed study, published in a reputable journal, would make. Any statistical analysis includes information about the sample being studied and the limitations of the study in broader application.
 WaywardWynde
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Posted: 4/29/2010 8:29:56 AM
I also have a degree (a science degree, not an arts degree) in physics and math, in my case from a large university. FWIW, I taught myself how to use a slide rule when I was 13 years old. I learned probability in 7th grade by getting up to watch "Sunrise Semester" on TV at 6:30 in the morning. I am probably the only person one might meet who once knew how to calculate by hand *cube* roots accurate to the next to last place calculated. (4th roots and higher are mathematically impossible to calculate accurately to next to last place calculated.) (*)

You are welcome to check the thousands of published papers of the social help and psychological communities to settle in your own mind the scientific validity of their concludions as to what THEY found to be the "kind of people who use prostitutes."

Ignoring all else, it's an ugly business, no matter what color the glass in one's eye glasses.

(*) As a teenager I dreamed of working in Bell Labs. As an adult when I walked into Bell Labs in Holmdel, I was not 20 feet inside when I said to myself, "God, am I glad I don't work here!"
 mrcyrus
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Posted: 4/30/2010 6:34:18 PM
Two people above, in Canada, still think prostitution is illegal in Canada. It is not. Public solicitation is illegal - paying for sex is not. You might say it's just semantics, but there is a huge difference. They are not synonyms.
 NikonGuy007
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Posted: 10/11/2015 12:09:19 PM
I have never done it
but,
I am not against it.

Never even thought about it, until years ago, an older, married guy (very high-level guy in the pharmaceutical industry), brought it up and how much he enjoyed it. Aside from him just not seeming like the "type" to use a hooker (high end or not), it was surprising because he was a good-looking guy, WITH money.

I have seen some, strolling around casinos, hanging on the arm of some dude who looks old enough to be her father, that damn near looked like models.

You can catch a whole host of diseases from a random broad at church, your night class, your job, or your local watering hole.

If anything, I would guess that a high-end prostitute is ultra careful, because it's her livelihood.

I don't see making a "cold call" to one
but,
if I were out somewhere, she was attractive, and her conversation game was on-point, then, there is a good chance I'd give it a shot.
 LLove2LaughToo
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Posted: 10/11/2015 12:50:36 PM

dawn1114 :
The same scenario was playing out here a few years ago, except there were no prostitutes or johns involved. Just a few women on an internet site inviting men over for "intimate encounters." And they didn't just take their cash, they took their bank cards and forced them to cough up PIN numbers. What a nightmare.


Drugged, Scammed by Beautiful Women: Weatherman Tells His Story

http://abcnews.go.com/US/drugged-scammed-beautiful-women-weatherman-tells-story/story?id=16005588
 sealady111
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Posted: 10/11/2015 9:12:33 PM
As long as sex workers are working at their profession because of choice, they are healthy, registered and pay tax, all good.
Should be a greater selection of straight men for straight women available.

Consenting adults can do whatever they want.
 InnerGorilla
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Posted: 10/12/2015 2:56:43 PM
I don't have a moral dilemma with prostitution.

But here's the problem. Many countries where it is legal, they also have a lot of problems with the sex trade, the importation of minors as sex slaves, and while many of these women can get health benefits and stuff like that, they still tend to be controlled by organized crime.

So I question the validity of it. If a woman in need to make ends meet, can she find other forms of work, or do we create an environment to where the only way to provide is to become a prostitute? So is that helping women's causes or hindering them?
 sealady111
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Posted: 10/12/2015 4:47:27 PM
^^^ The same goes for gay male prostitutes.

The straight male sex workers I have met, are in the profession by choice. Wanting the money.
And they are handsome, fit and charming.

Some try the profession because they like women and sex and think it is a good way to earn money doing what they like.
Not many are full time sex workers. One man has written a book about his work and it is on my 'to read' list.

I have met 2 who tried being a straight male sex worker a few times but decided it is not for them...
One felt the women were using him...... Ahhhh YES.... an occupational hazard,
The other did not fancy the women who wanted to hire him so he often talked them out of it.

Yes even dated one a couple of times after meeting him on here. My coworkers insisted lol.

I have a fascination about things I have no knowledge and the sex industry is one of those areas.

Dated a man from here a couple of times who installed security cameras and some of his clients were brothels.
He told me about the Christmas party and some of the ladies brought their husbands / boyfriends along or had them pick them up afterwards. For these women it was a job. A well paying job. Thier partners did not seem to mind.

The media is full of stories of young men and women selling themselves to pay for immigration and drugs.
Don't get me started on sex tourism and children.

To me there is a big difference between an adult making an informed choice vs exploitation.

If anyone is in a situation that the only way they can support themselves is by doing something where they are being exploited we have a bad society.
 Paladin2015
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Posted: 10/18/2015 4:25:13 AM
Hookers and booze is always a fallback position!

Personally I'd be worried about getting busted or robbed.....but yeah I have toyed with the idea of hiring an escort....Only even seen a few in my age bracket,and fewer that are pretty AND in my age bracket, and the thought of being with someone my kids ages is too creepy.
 LetitiaLeGrande
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Posted: 10/19/2015 12:04:06 AM
It is an honest transaction if just sex is what you are after and the prossies are less likely to have stds as well. Men who use them are just looking for relief with no emotional entanglements and with a hot girl they may not get in real life. I don't judge them. If they want to go where hundreds have been before, so what?
 LetitiaLeGrande
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Posted: 10/19/2015 12:06:24 AM
I saw a programme on male straight prostitutes once. Their main clientele is a woman who is in town on business and often just wants some fun and a night out. However it would never be a full time job for a man as women don't seek this sort of thing nearly as much as men may do. As a woman, paying cash for sex with a man, no matter how handsome, I just would not bother......it would feel wrong and awkward.
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