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 tallskier
Joined: 5/20/2005
Msg: 476
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Let me see if I can make this plain to you one more time. A person is paid what they are worth in the marketplace. If I hire someone to come into my business and I will pay a rate that I feel is fair and competitive. I will not, however, be worried about whether or not that the person I hire will become rich from my wages, unless of course, they bring such talents to my company that they make me rich and increase cashflow into the business immensely.


This is how it is, and hopefully how it will remain.

The problem is, many folks, most of whom who have never run a business, want the government to step in and dictate how a business should be run. This is socialism number one, and number two, it is a sure way, proven by experience, to reduce the performance of an enterprise.

These people think everyone should be paid a "living wage" no matter HOW little they have done to prepare themselves to be productive members of society. "Just pay everyone more", as if there was some magical tree from which this money will come. They would probably be surprised at much this increased the price of virtually everything they buy.

This points out a major failure of our educational system. You should not have to go to college to learn about economics and how our economy works.
 tallskier
Joined: 5/20/2005
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Posted: 8/22/2008 4:06:00 PM

I am asking the question why not link the wages so why don't you try to explain to me why you believe it would limit what the CEO could earn by allowing the lowest paid employee to enjoy in some small way the success that he/she has contributed to in his/her small way.


As far as I know, Wal-Mart has an Employee Stock Ownership Program. Want to participate int he finacial success of the ompany?? Buy stock.

You work, and you get paid for working. You invest, and you get paid dividends.

You seem to propose that people get paid dividends for an investment of zero.

Sorry, you can't count a 40-hour workweek as an "investment". It was not GIVEN, it was EXCHANGED for a paycheck.
 tallskier
Joined: 5/20/2005
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Posted: 8/22/2008 4:08:02 PM

I believe that patronizing a store that devalues its employees, the environment and the local community is tacit approval of that behavior.


I think that making such accusations is slanderous. Can you prove ONE of them, using logic and facts? OR are we to just accept those accusations because you say Wal-Mart does those things?
 kbcd
Joined: 11/6/2006
Msg: 479
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Posted: 8/22/2008 4:15:21 PM
Well at least one things for sure. as long as there is Wally world we will never have to go to war with China. As Wally world owns 65 percent of all the industry in China. Which means they contol 65 percent of the jobs there. I wonder do they make and sell arms as well. So maybe we should declare war on Wally world. Maybe they are the world goverment to be!
 NeapTide
Joined: 6/18/2008
Msg: 480
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Posted: 8/22/2008 4:20:31 PM

except whining about Wally-mart


From the very first post on this thread, who is whining? I don't even think the pro-Wal-Mart posts are whiny. I think the posts have done exactly what you recommend:
Choose to voice your opinion and hope others follow suit.
But there are those who have posted that I am somehow denying others their freedom to exercise free will by voicing my opinion and there are others who think my opinion is bunk, so I am here defending my opinion, not whining.
 NeapTide
Joined: 6/18/2008
Msg: 481
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Posted: 8/22/2008 4:39:11 PM

I think that making such accusations is slanderous. Can you prove ONE of them, using logic and facts? OR are we to just accept those accusations because you say Wal-Mart does those things?


OMG - are you for real? Have you even glanced through this thread? Have you looked at the lawsuits that are being filed against Wal-Mart? What about the fines that are being levied on them? Again, I read this ENTIRE thread before I started posting. If you are so lazy and bent on spouting off without reading, please start at p. 10 and do us all the favor of reading what we are saying instead of just ASS-UMING you know what we are saying.
 NeapTide
Joined: 6/18/2008
Msg: 482
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Posted: 8/22/2008 5:05:34 PM
Here's one I found just googling Wal-Mart and "Environmental violations"




Wal-Mart will pay $1.15 million fine Gregory B. Hladky , Capitol Bureau Chief HARTFORD 8/16/05 - Wal-Mart has agreed to pay a $1.15 million fine and correct a slew of environmental violations at 22 of its Connecticut stores, violations that state officials said showed a systematic disregard for the law.


Love that last part "SHOWED A SYSTEMATIC DISREGARD FOR THE LAW..."

How about this one:


Pennsylvania jury fines Wal-Mart $78 million Largest retailer found to have forced employees to work during breaks – 10/13/06

or this one:


Wal-Mart Fined for Child Labor Violations
February 15 2005 - The U.S. Department of Labor has fined Wal-Mart $135,540 in civil money penalties for violating the youth employment provisions of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) for allowing teenage workers to operate hazardous equipment.


And last but not least:


Wal-Mart stores lower a community's median wages.
University of Pennsylvania, 2004 showed that poverty rates rise as WMT expands in counties across the country. Researchers found that Wal-Mart closes local businesses and effectively ruins community-based leadership.
UC Berkeley, 2007 found that new jobs at Wal-Mart stores almost inevitably come at the cost of other, better-paid jobs. New WMT stores drive down pay and benefits not only in retail, but in other similar sectors like grocery as well.
A 2006 Social Science Quarterly study found that nationwide an estimated 20,000 families have fallen below the official poverty line as a result of Wal-Mart’s expansion.


No, I'm not just ASS-UMING that you will believe me. The truth is out there.


 kbcd
Joined: 11/6/2006
Msg: 483
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Posted: 8/22/2008 5:16:17 PM
Why don't we all go back to the way it was 150 years ago. If we had horses instead cars we would not need all them impervious surfaces. If we used candles we would not need electricity, that would be good for the enviroment. And we could do away with health care instead we could wait for the doc to get there, just like they did on Gun Smoke. That wuold save alot of money. And after saving all that money nobody would need a job at Wally World. So Neaptide. I have just one question????How many miles to a bale of hay dose your horse get? Or do you drive one of those thingys known as a gas burnnig, hydocarbon produccing smog machine? And it operates at its best on an inpervios surface?
 NeapTide
Joined: 6/18/2008
Msg: 484
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Posted: 8/22/2008 5:24:25 PM
LOL, kbcd - I didn't make the world I was born into but I sure as hell am trying to make it a better place for the future generation- what the hell are you doing?

I work from home, I shop at local stores and I support my local community. I do have a car and it gets pretty good gas mileage but I will walk if it is an option. My feet prefer good ol mother earth.

The point is to make as LITTLE footprint as you can - is it possible to make NO footprint at all and still be alive? No. I realize that. However, that is no excuse to let a cancerous growth like Wal-Mart run rampant and it is no reason to turn a blind eye to what it is doing. It takes a little effort to stand up and do the right thing but it is so worth it.

FYI - wax candles (unless they are soy or beeswax) are petroleum based - puts out lovely little petro-chemicals into your air.
 kbcd
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Posted: 8/22/2008 5:40:16 PM
Before Wally world came to my area there few to no jobs for those with little education. My son And his wife both went to work there, save thier money, worked hard and learned good work ethnics, after a while, my daughter inlaw got into nurssing school, even got a scolarship from Wally world that greatly helped with paying for for the schooling. Now she is an RN, Making more money now. But she had to start somewhere. And now my son is in school soon to be a nurse. Some people that were working there when they started to work there are still there, but I belive it was thier choise. For some it is a stepping stone, for some it is what they are looking for. No one forced them to seek emploment there. But if you need a job they are an equil opurtunity employer.
 kbcd
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Posted: 8/22/2008 6:02:01 PM
Neaptide..... Read my profile,,,Ive done all that, went back to the old ways for seven and a half years. lived in a 1700 square foot treehouse, with out electricity, grew my own food, foraged, hunted and trapped, and recycled everything, experienced things that most people only dream about, am about to start generatting my own electricity with the wind, I compost, my hot water is solar, and as soon as I can find the practical means to do away with my pick up truck that run s on hydrocarbon fuel , I will glady do so. Wally world will eventually consume itself. But something will take its place. I admire that you will stand up and say that the King is not wearring any clothes> but in the mean time that we are here alive. we must go with the flow. somethings we have no control of nor the time to try to control them. So I do my part to change what I have the power to do and what is within my means. And I will share the same amount of guilt that they will.
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