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 electric-gypsy
Joined: 10/23/2007
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Post op transsexuals.Page 7 of 12    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12)
I find it insulting that some people think all it takes to be a woman is the ability to squeeze into a size 13 stiletto. Until he can bleed for a week, produce babies, suffer water retention and menopause, and a host of other feminine treats, they are not women. There’s a whole lifelong experience to being female, the way we’re conditioned and socialised, the values we’re taught, how we’re expected to live and behave, what we’re expected to aspire to, what we’re taught to fear and embrace, our emotional development. The list is endless. Transsexuals get only some of the physical attributes and none of the sociopsychological conditioning.

I have nothing against transgender people and I buy the fact that they probably are born with the wrong equipment. But like it or not, there’s more to being a woman than having a hole between your legs.
 electric-gypsy
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Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 6/3/2009 5:23:19 AM
Yes she would still be a woman - if she was born with the equipment and socialised as a female. You're describing people with medical conditions. You have a very low opinion of women if you think all it takes is a strategically placed, reconstructed hole.
 shawany
Joined: 2/21/2009
Msg: 197
Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 6/4/2009 4:10:19 PM
I think our input Mallory makes a whole lot of sense
 oggers
Joined: 5/10/2007
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Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 10/19/2009 5:16:41 AM
Remember we are talking POST - op here :


For example, you can put a ford engine in a vauxhall car, the car will look like a vauxhall but will still be a ford due to the engine


To continue the analogy :-
Actually Nope, it will be a Vauxhall in every way (looks, appearance, handling, comfort etc etc ) ... only the very experienced and those 'in the know' would be able to tell that there was something a bit different about this Vauxhall...

Same with a POST op - you would not even know neccessarliy unless someone told you.

(actually you would never want to put a Ford motor into a Vauxhall, as everone in the know realises that the Vauxhall red top motor is way superior to the modern Ford stuff ... loads of red tops find their way into modded Mk1 and Mk 2 Escorts etc etc ... )
 oggers
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Posted: 10/19/2009 5:51:06 AM

whilst in your correction of my analogy..you actually helped to prove my point ogger, thank you :)


Yeah, might have done , Ross, got meself really confused there lol !
 electric-gypsy
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Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 1/8/2010 5:58:37 PM
Not a chance. I can always spot them anyway, although the Thai ladyboys you see on TV can be pretty convincing. The tranny thing kinda grosses me out, tbh. Never understood why so many "straight" men seem to have a kink about them.
 Strider886
Joined: 3/28/2006
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Posted: 2/1/2010 4:15:25 AM
Everyone has the right to be happy, these people aren't criminals yet society treats them as if they were.... Disowned by friends, by family, ridiculed in the streets and what for?

Next time your out and about, look at the people around you..... ANY of those people could be perverts, rapists, paedophiles and you wouldn't have a clue!!!

Yet you see a transgendered person and you shout abuse, cross the street to avoid them or just treat them like 2nd class citizens and on top of that you teach your children to be just as bigoted..... Why? because they're being open about their differences! they're not hiding away out of sight or making plans for world domination behind closed doors, they want to live normal happy lives free from harassment.

And yes, there were just as many around 50 years ago, but the dawn of the internet has brought more of them out into the open, made them realise that they're not alone anymore.
 Steve_Sandy
Joined: 3/19/2006
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Posted: 2/1/2010 6:14:02 AM
as long as they let it be known that they were born a man when posing as a woman, am not too worried

have seen a few photos of woMEN who would not have realised they were transsexuals

one of the neighbours wears dresses, no way to confuse him with a woman, he seems to enjoy life well enough
 Strider886
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Posted: 2/1/2010 7:03:40 AM

I think I would know by the natural body aroma too - women smell like heaven, men just smell


Smell is dependant on hormones and the average transwoman will have more female hormones running through their veins than than your average woman.

The adams apple thing... Not all men have one that stands out.
Hands have been said to be a give away, yet my hands for example are smaller and my fingers slimmer/longer than any GF i've ever had. Very handy (pun intended) they are too in my line of work.

In truth once facial hair has been painfully removed, most people will struggle to spot the other clues.
In all honesty why should this "birth defect" define who you are, why should it be a cloud over the rest of your life?
 Strider886
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Posted: 2/1/2010 8:13:41 AM

transexuals are more femenin than most of todays women


Slight misconception, but they do try a lot harder and look after themselves more than the "oh im so fat, I give up, I need a doughnut and a pack of fags" women.

They don't just give up, they make an effort with their appearance. Which is respectable in anyone!!
 Strider886
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Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 2/3/2010 6:58:15 AM

No, "she" is a man with mental health problems.


No.... It's a physical birth defect.

It's to do with chromosomes, it's not a mental health issue.... Psychological screening is done prior to any type of treatment, screening by 3 or 4 professional psychiatrists with experience in that field. Those who do have mental health issues cannot get through that screening process.
Those who are in it for "cheap thrills" will quit when they realise they stand to lose their families, their friends, their jobs, their homes and then if they survive that, they get to put up with verbal and physical abuse for the rest of their lives.

People who have no clue, should stop reading tabloids or watching big brother and actually talk to these people!
 Strider886
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Posted: 7/12/2010 1:47:38 AM
^^

Yes, it's ignorance and fear.... But by far the biggest problem is the stereotype's and perceptions created by the Media/Television.

Any time a trans individual has agree'd to take part in a documentary in the hope of dispelling these stereotypes, it's been turned into a circus, tuned to "entertain" the bigoted masses.

Hence now all we see from the media is the wild whacky "weekend trannies" in their PVC and 7 inch stripper heels... Only serving one purpose! making life more difficult for those who are fighting for acceptance every single day of their lives.



Why does this thread need to be bumped yet again?
 Strider886
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Posted: 7/13/2010 4:54:17 AM
^^ So a man who's infertile is not a man?

This is too complicated!!

It's about feelings and about feeling comfortable with yourself, other people opinions don't matter for shit.
These people are harming no one, leave them alone.... Live and let live!
 Vampire_Cat
Joined: 1/16/2013
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Post op transsexuals.
Posted: 1/29/2013 2:32:10 AM
Northern Cherry Pie, the point is that intersex male to female dont have a male brain thats the root of their issue.
In general their views and opinions are formed by the way society has treated them, not by their genitalia.
One fo my closest friendsmade the transition 30 years ago, I have known her for the last 27 of those. She is gorgeous witty and funny, and is female in everyway including in the way she thinks. She has been in a stable and loving realtionship for the last 20 years to.

To answer the original question , if I meet someone and fall for them, then I date them, the rest is irrelevant.

Treating people with respect and understanding whether they straight, or LGBT should be automatic, any thing else just makes you an unpleasant person, who a lot of people wont want to be around.
 Vampire_Cat
Joined: 1/16/2013
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Posted: 1/29/2013 3:30:06 AM
NorthernCherryPie, i did not say people who dont understand are unpleasant I was reffering to the way people treat others can make them unpleasant, theres a difference. I certainly was not accussing you of being unpleasant.

Being freaked out if its something you havent come across is natural, it happens with many things in life, often in the beginning the most freaked out are the trans themselves coming to terms with how they feel about their own physical form. This is why it is important that organisations such as the Beaumont Society, exist, to help educate, inform and support.

And yes some will regret making the change and decide to get it reversed, in the same way that some women who have breast enlargements ater a while get them reversed, Nothing is 100%

Working in the cabaret industry I can also assurre you that not all transsexuals are pleasant people, the LGBT community just like society at large has its fair share of dumbarses.

I wasnt attacking you, if it came across that I was I apologise.
 curviest
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Posted: 1/29/2013 1:26:47 PM
"Ladies would you date a man who was born a woman?"

Do you mean date (in which case YES) or do you mean have sex with (in which case, depends on whether the relevant bits were all normal looking, fully functional etc). It would freak me out at first, but I like to think I am open minded.
 Nottinghamfellow
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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:11:15 AM
Did anyone see My Trans sexual summer on television last year . I found it very interesting. If I remember correctly there were about three or four female to male trans people on it. One, Lewis i think he was, was truely lovely and I would love to go out with him for a date. Again I guess it's all down to the individual and as far as I am concerned when their physical self is correctly aligned that's where it should be and business as usual. .
 london150
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Posted: 1/31/2013 6:09:37 AM
I wouldn't want to but dont think its anything wrong with people who do.
 Nottinghamfellow
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:46:26 AM
Fantastic, I do remember her too.. I hope she is doing well and the rest of them too.....
 caril-ridley
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Posted: 11/17/2014 12:25:30 PM
With the experience of owning and operating a mental health rehabilitation program for over twenty-seven years and with opportunity to explore varied cultural perspectives in over sixty countries I've been lucky to find a broad understand of the cultural-prisms through which we learn the value of discrimination, both positive and negative - there are things we can change and realities we simply need to understand and accept.
The gap between perceived and real danger drives our fears, creates horror in our ignorance, conflict among the judgmental and dogmatic and victims of the innocent.
Psychology and the human condition is more nuanced and complicate than most would like to believe.
 Nottinghamfellow
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Posted: 2/2/2015 7:38:30 AM
It also commenced march 2007. . . That does not mean it has no merit . . And if it is shallow, so be it, but I think the comments show a lot of thought too
 Nottinghamfellow
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:08:21 PM
They are what you call straight.
 try1more
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:08:52 PM
well soph, it looks like you're not the only one confused!

cross dressers are typically straight.
transexuals AKA transgender, are those that have had what is called gender re-assignment, so although they may dispute it they are gay, if you are born with male genitals and have them changed to female i would consider that to mean they are gay, although as i said they may consider they were born with the wrong genitals in the first place and the surgery is simply correcting nature's mistake, same applies female to male swop.
i should add you get pre-op and post-op flavours as well.


it is very confusing to think about all the variations so i guess it's very confusing for them as well.
especially being born into a hetro world but being different.
it must have been very much harder in the past, to not be "normal"

it's even more confusing when you add in the undefined gender, or what defines a male or female?
it's not as simple as xx=girl xy=boy!

don't think i would want to date a pre-op i might discover i got the short straw :-)
 imanorangetiger
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Posted: 7/6/2015 1:58:36 PM
Are transexuals gay? No.

Transexuals identify with the gender they consider themselves to be, so a M2F transexual identifies themselves as a female even though they have male genitalia. A gay man doesn't identify themselves as the opposite sex; they're merely sexually attracted to other men. In other respects, they consider themselves as wholly masculine. Same gores for F2M transexuals and gay women. It's the difference between gender and sexual orientation.
 imanorangetiger
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Posted: 7/7/2015 5:33:23 PM
It probably means that they're pansexual.
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