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 romanticoptimist
Joined: 10/1/2007
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I'm going to assume you are aware that the Mayas also butchered their own people as sacrifices to the "Gods" to appease them, and stop natural disasters?
I'm not sure how their penchant for human sacrifice equates to a dismissal of their apparent knowledge of complex matters and the ability to create complex mathematical models of the solar system, the tilt of the Earth, the shifting North Pole, and a variety of other non "primitive" sciences. If your point was that intelligent or civilised people don't do that, I offer you the highly intelligent and highly educated nation of German circa mid-1930s for consideration. I think their history settled once and for all the assumption that intelligence and education leads to better people and governments.

I'm intrigued by the Mayan Calendar and their knowledge. They seemed to have grasped concepts way beyond any later civilisation. And yet I read somewhere that they died of because they didn't understand something as simple (to use) as irrigation.
 yna6
Joined: 1/21/2007
Msg: 14
Strange signs in our galaxy....what do they mean?
Posted: 4/5/2008 8:25:28 AM
Maybe you are just another parasite or germ within the body of god. What if a cell within you had self-awareness? It's whole "universe" would be your body...what strange things might it think? Probably much the same things you are.
 Ravenstar66
Joined: 8/27/2007
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Strange signs in our galaxy....what do they mean?
Posted: 4/5/2008 9:19:12 AM
The double helix is very cool

Maybe the whole galaxy is really a cellular life form.. and we are within it (?) It's a thought.

The "storm" on Saturn is also very cool. The hexagon is interesting because on earth you usually only get geometric shapes from elements in solid form, not gaseous.. this is a basic structure of crystals.. the hexagon. I have no idea what could cause gases to act like that...unless they are becoming frozen.. ONE HUGE METHANE SNOWFLAKE maybe? Does it rotate or move at all? The larger planets have very fast rotations and high winds...you'd think that any material we could see would be cloud cover.. moving rapidly because of the rotation of the planet (like Jupiter's atmosphere)

A new estimate of how fast Saturn spins has been made using magnetic data from NASA’s Cassini spacecraft – but it is not the answer scientists were expecting.

As a gas giant, Saturn’s rotation has been historically difficult to measure. Its hazy atmospheric features shift with respect to each other and cannot be used to clock the spin rate of the planet’s interior.

The most commonly cited figure for Saturn’s rotation period – 10 hours, 39 minutes and 22.4 seconds – was derived in 1980 from Voyager observations of radio waves generated by solar radiation hitting the planet’s atmosphere. Yet Cassini has returned a result almost 8 minutes longer, a difference that defies easy explanation.

"The knowledge of the rotation period is a very important ingredient when you try to model the interior of a planet like Saturn," says Giacomo Giampieri of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
Reconcilable differences?

Giampieri and colleagues examined data gathered over a 14-month period from Cassini’s fluxgate magnetometer. The data revealed a small periodic signal in Saturn’s magnetic field measuring 10 hours, 47 minutes.

If the signal is indeed tied to the rotation of the planet’s solid core, as the Cassini team proposes, it is not clear how this can be reconciled with the earlier Voyager measurement.

"Nobody in their right mind could think the rotation rate of Saturn has changed so much in that period," says Donald Gurnett, principal investigator for the Cassini Radio and Plasma Wave Science instrument at the University of Iowa, US. Such a dramatic change in a planet of Saturn’s size would require enormous energy. If such a force was being exerted, it would have long ago slowed the planet's rotation rate down to a snail’s pace.

One possible explanation is that the electrically charged ionosphere surrounding Saturn is "slipping" relative to the planet's rotation. This ionosphere influences the shape of the magnetic field, so a change in the friction between the ionosphere and upper atmosphere, due perhaps to seasonal variations in solar illumination, might account for the difference between the Voyager and Cassini data.
Wobble free

"It is absolutely not an instrumental error," says Gurnett, who was also principal investigator for the radio-sensing instrument on Voyager.

Previously scientists have used Jupiter's magnetic field to determine its rotation rate without ambiguity. Like Saturn, Jupiter's magnetic field is generated deep in the planet's interior and loops far out into space. But because Jupiter's field is tilted slightly, it wobbles as the planet rotates.

The wobble creates a strong periodic signal in Jupiter’s magnetic field which is a reliable indicator of the planet’s rotation speed. In contrast, Saturn’s magnetic field is aligned with its rotational axis so there is no wobble effect.

The periodicity measured by Cassini is more likely to be caused by some kind of magnetic anomaly within Saturn, possibly tied to the nature of the planet’s solid core.
HOLY COW..10 hours, 39 minutes and 22.4 seconds!!! Considering that Saturn is the second largest planet in our system.. that's like a dynamo... wow, that's unbelievably fast... it's magnetosphere must be incredible.. with all that motion.

The other side is the largest hurricane I have ever seen... is it new, or just a feature of Saturn we didn't notice before?

Is it a message?...umm.. that's a pretty egocentric position. Does it mean something? Maybe.... but I highly doubt that it is meant for US. It just is...and as we learn more about the universe we will be able to understand it better.

I am one who believes that the entire universe has a consciousness of some sort, but I find it incredulous to think it is mainly for our benefit. We are only just beginning to be able to observe the cosmos in any detailed way.. and the magnificence is amazing, but we haven't really got much of a clue how it works yet.

Cool stuff
 Greg8002
Joined: 3/11/2008
Msg: 16
Strange signs in our galaxy....what do they mean?
Posted: 4/5/2008 11:55:30 PM
I don't really see it as meaningful to speak of astronomical objects such as stars or electromagnetic waves as being 'alive'; this to me seems like trying to make the universe animistic. There is nothing in science to suggest electromagnetic waves or stars exhibit any characteristics would make them biological entities.
 romanticoptimist
Joined: 10/1/2007
Msg: 17
Strange signs in our galaxy....what do they mean?
Posted: 4/6/2008 2:04:04 PM

The double helix is very cool

I thought so too. But I realise that we humans tend to see familiar things in unfamiliar things as a way to grasp what we're seeing, sort of like seeing shapes in clouds . I am reminded of the "Horse Head" galaxy of a few years ago, and the "Face on Mars" already mentioned.

Now the Hexagonal shape, being so symmetrical and non-typical does intrigue me. No-one seems to be able to explain it, and no-one seems to be able to relate it to any known natural phenomena. It just doesn't make any sense for a cloud of anything in an orbit to form into such a definable shape as a hexagon. So, this one intrigues me the most, mostly because of it's inexplicable nature and apparent uniqueness.
 arwen52
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Posted: 2/16/2011 8:20:04 AM

now this is eerie considering that the maya, who had no telescopes, thought the center of our own galaxy to be intelligent and conscious and worshiped it for these reasons, and now there are seemingly intelligent radio waves recorded coming from it. also apparently the maya knew about it's black hole, and white disk that surrounds the hole , and have illustrated it as their Hanab Ku. its astounding they had this knowledge of the details of the center of our galaxy without the use of telescopes.


The Mayans also believed that the earth was flat, square, and was held up by five pillars of different colors, resting on the back of a crocodile that was standing in a lily pond. If they got that wrong, why do you believe that they got the other stuff right?

You want to understand what's going on in the universe? Start listening to and reading Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Start studying astrophysics. It will keep you busy for the rest of your life. The truth is a lot more interesting and amazing than a lot of ridiculous notions made up by people who are scientifically illiterate.
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