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 KarmaTiger
Joined: 3/9/2007
Msg: 90
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We have two people siding with war on this one because they have personal stakes in this or large egos. These two have had friends and/job in this and their reputations to uphold. Financed by taxpayers of course when the money should have been used on healthcare or education etc.


I received two engineering degrees through the military, and not onlysaved civilians from the harm of war in Bosnia but saved Winnipeggers during the red river floods. But to you, the only possible motive I could have to say Canada's military does good works is 'ego', and the money is better spent elsewhere huh? Pull your head out of your ass.

Your comments are nothing more than oversimplifications or plain ignorant drivel. Facts are, you have no idea what it is a Canadian troop does as part of his or her job description. You seem to blend CBC reports and American war movies together in your mind and conclude that anyone who supports the military supports some unspecified thing called "war" - nevermind that you're talking to people who have been there, done that, and are speaking from experience.
 KarmaTiger
Joined: 3/9/2007
Msg: 91
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Posted: 4/27/2007 5:08:52 AM
I've read Chomsky.

As to Afghanistan, they provided land for the Taliban to train. The Taliban, BTW, is a Pakistani organization that took over Afghanistan after the Soviets left. We went in, removed their terrorist-friendly regime, and helped Afghanis put in an Afghani government.

But you'd rather spin "all military is evil" crap and not pay attention to facts - while conveniently ignoring, as you spin your fairytales about the Canadian Forces, that you're talking to people who have served in or are serving in those very uniforms you choose to spit on.
 KarmaTiger
Joined: 3/9/2007
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Posted: 4/27/2007 5:12:08 AM
^since I can't edit, I'll add: your analogies to Czech and Poland are inflamatory and deeply flawed. Canada left the Taliban alone until the organization they backed attacked one of our allies, killing thousands. So your 'point' is pointless.

And why would you presume that because I'm actually aware of what Canada's military does, instead of posting ultraleftist propeganda as you seem fond of, that I must then somehow be a FOx news watching Bush supporter? Another gross oversimplification on your part. The world is far more complex than you seem capable of conprehending.
 KarmaTiger
Joined: 3/9/2007
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Posted: 4/27/2007 9:22:43 PM
My 'house of cards' eh? Implies having been there, served in the CF, have family living in the middle east, etc. is a 'house of cards' compared to armchair commentators who invoke the names of American journalists as though books on American hedgemony somehow have anything to do with the Canadian Military.

You wanna talk house of cards? Some of you aren't even playing with a full deck.
 KarmaTiger
Joined: 3/9/2007
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Posted: 4/27/2007 9:25:55 PM

If anyone thinks we are in a third world, dirt poor country namely afganistan, other than operating as a security force for an obviously strategic military and oil transport region, they have been brainwashed. We should leave them poor bactards alone so they get on with their lives.


...which is exactly what we're doing. You think 'their lives' included Pakistani extremists running their country, outlawing half their culture in the name of extreme fundamentalist islam, denying females education or basic rights, etc? We removed an occupying force and are sticking around to maintain order while their home-grown government gets back on its feet - and you guys are acting like Canadians, not the Taliban, are the bad guys. Give me a break.
 passionteman
Joined: 3/7/2005
Msg: 102
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Posted: 5/3/2007 3:53:54 PM

You actually believe this don't you passionteman

If you don't yet know who was responsible for the 911 attacks then there's no point in anybody explaining it to you now.


That's what you believe based on watching Fox and CNN. Everyone doesn't go with that bs.


Have you ever heard of an organization called NATO ?
You know....the North Atlantic Treaty Organization which all it's members are committed to defending each other if one is attacked


Yes. I do know that, but their getting involved is totally illegitimate since there is no proper evidence .


When the U.S. was attacked on 911 this triggered an automatic NATO response which would explain why there are German, Dutch, Polish, Italian, British, American, Canadian and other troops in Afganistan.


hahaha. US was attacked!!!. lol.
 MacGregrrrr
Joined: 3/13/2006
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Posted: 7/14/2007 2:27:24 PM
I always chuckle at anti-military thinking (kinda like saying "let's get rid of firefighters, and there'll be no more fires" ... sheeyah, right ...) - and then, we have the conspiracy theories ... hmmm ... hope they never find out we actually kept all those U-boats running, and we've got underground canals to Roswell ... but ... I digress ...

And so ... where does that leave us?

As said elsewhere - Yup - I'm sick and tired of intolerance and hatred, whether racial or religious. Undoubtably, the root of all evil is ignorance (and lack of education) - once you learn more about others, they cease to be strangers/infidels/heathens ...

Unfortunately, some hatred runs so deep that it consumes the individual ... with the result that they can not be "cured" by rational, logic, reason or persuasion ...

Thus, as much as people bemoan the fact that there is too much hatred and violence in the world around us, I'm absolutely convinced that "turning the other cheek" only presents a soft target for those rabid few who misinterpret "live and let live" as a sign of weakness ...

Sum up? With all due respect, I'm afraid I've completely run out of time, patience and tolerance to put up with gutless, whinging armchair critics who betray the very men who die defending freedom.

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

-- Teddy; "Citizenship in a Republic", Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

"Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities, because it is the quality that guarantees all others"

- Sir Winston S. Churchill
 6july
Joined: 7/6/2007
Msg: 112
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Posted: 7/20/2007 1:59:26 PM
Lets get a little reality in this. It was two people involved out of over 500. The effect of the drug mefloquine had a big effect in what happened. Did you hear about the schools and hospitals that were built there? Did you hear about the constant theiving? As an soldier when this happened I was more upset by the government giving unapproved drugs to soldiers to see if they work, politicians beating their chests at being caught giving orders to cover it up (no it was not just some of the top officers covering it up) and civies that give lip service when someone dies but are the first to say hang them when someone breaks the image of what we are. Soldiers are drawn from society and therefore reflect society. Try reading Kipplings poem "Tommy" that is how society treats soldiers.

As for the Airborne being honourable I know alot of ex members of the airborne both dead and alife. I would trust my life and my families lifes to them anyday.
 Montreal_Guy
Joined: 3/8/2004
Msg: 122
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Posted: 9/13/2007 5:43:38 AM
I think both militaries have unique talents and abilities. Both have certainly proven that to the world countless times. Even together, in that combined group of WW2 American/Canadian commandos , those talents complimented each other very well.

Both also share the brotherhood of a bond forged with blood, and mutual respect.

For any of us to point fingers at each other, and disparage the other, lessens us both.

All the posts and e-mails I read from our Forces overseas show a respect for American troops. The only one I read that wasn't 100 percent positive is when some Canadian troops were invited to a "steak and lobster" dinner by their American counterparts in Afghanistan at the base they shared.

The steak was ok, but the "lobster" was pasta with some shrimp mixed into it.

On the other hand, the Americans also had some visiting cheerleaders (Dallas Cowboys ?) there ....so let's say they more than made up for the "lobster" many times over.

Put them both together in the field in a combined operation, and you'll be hard pressed to beat THAT team in almost any situation.
 kev_bro
Joined: 1/25/2009
Msg: 123
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Posted: 6/28/2009 4:00:26 PM
I love the military system. I almost signed up just recently and probably will shortly, i haven't decided if i want to go infantry or keep my job as a electrician or do that in the military..
 Drew178
Joined: 4/20/2009
Msg: 124
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Posted: 6/28/2009 6:47:04 PM
If I had to do it all over again I'd go Engineer. You're either building something or blowing it up.
 kev_bro
Joined: 1/25/2009
Msg: 125
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Posted: 7/1/2009 6:37:33 PM
I think its an awsome career choice, pretty decent pay, stay in shape, travel, learn things you would never learn anywhere else. I just need to get my ass in shape now and im in
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