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|I think that I just figured out the whole problem here. Women actually believe that sex is supposed to be fun, exciting and enjoyable. See how women can be absolutly unrealistic about some things. Whats next? You are going to expect to be treated with respect and dignity too? Geez you get to vote, what more do you want??? |
Posted: 1/24/2008 3:11:33 PM
Geez you get to vote, what more do you want??? LOL! Pens that don't run out of ink, comfortable beds that don't hurt our backs, Passionate Kisses.....and FUN SEX! LOL! You got a problem with that????
Posted: 1/24/2008 9:58:48 PM
|Ms BooBoo I don'thave a problem with fun sex, I'm just not getting any.........next freaking question?????? |
Posted: 1/24/2008 11:04:49 PM
|Appreciated your comment . Keeping your love life hot takes more work than most men are willing to offer.The effects of abusing our bodys(alchohol, drugs)also has an effect that many underestimate.Ihope I find a generous woman like yourself to share my life with. |
Posted: 1/25/2008 6:22:31 AM
Ms BooBoo I don'thave a problem with fun sex, I'm just not getting any.........next freaking question?????? LOL!!! Well John.....all I can say to that is....."I feel you pain!" I'm not getting any either.....below are just a few of the reasons that I've found it totally futile to even try:
You used quotes which I thought meant you were being sarcastic, then told a story , so I though you were trying prove otherwise. Oh, well... People always assumming that they know what you mean, want, thought, said etc. BETTER than you did. IE. people who have been so traumatized by one or two past experiences that they can't let it go and move on to the NEXT thing in life.
I suppose they do whine, but then isn't that the most OPPORTUNE moment to tell your man that the plastic is a substitute (sometimes, and sometimes not) and you'd rather have HIM? Isn't that the time to say "Listen, I know it may be awkward or difficult, but I'll like to try it like THIS" and show him with the dildo??? Assumes that a partner will always lack the tender consideration to deal tactfully and lovingly with the partner who is shy, inhibited and needs time and encouragement to feel comfortable with experimentation.
A motorcycle is NOT a substitute for a car, is just a different way to get where you are going. No man wants to give up his car, but he wants his motorbike, too, and he's OK if you don't want to ride piggyback, 'cause it's fun all alone. LOL!!! This so totally reminds me of when my ex husband and I were sitting in the Marriage Counsilor's office....and the counsilor says to US......"you know, you have to be WILLING to SHARE things, experiences, adventures ...with each other. I looked at my ex....the counsilor was looking at ME. Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what was happening. My ex liked motorcycles.....so...I bought myself a motorcycle....and WE rode motorcycles. He liked camping....so we went camping. EVERYTHING that he enjoyed doing.....I supported whole-heartedly. I never complained....rode hundreds of miles in pouring rain, went tent camping at 20 degrees....I did complain a bit when he opened the tent in the middle of the night to go pee, but who wouldn't!!!! When I wanted to go ride rollercoasters.....NO FRIKKEN WAY.....he would stay on the ground and hold my purse...but he wasn't getting on that damn thing. We joined a "club" with our best friends....Saturday night dances....our friends were dancing....but US.....NEVER. SO, I talked him into taking dance lessons....which, he was ok with....but even after he'd learned his right from left foot....still.....NO DANCING!
While my ex was in college full time (I was working 70-90 hrs a week)...an he still expected ME to entertain him constantly.....one night I said to him...." Don't any of your friends at school ever stop after class for a drink or something?" "Yeah", he says. "Well, I reply....don't they ever ask YOU to join them?" "Yeah"....."Well then why the hell DON'T YOU???" Simple.....he just wanted to suffocate me, make me responsible for ALL this needs, and make me feel guilty because he was too dang boring to get a life unless I was holding his little hand every step of the way!
Now, on the flip side.....after I divorced the ex....the man I dated for the next 7 1/2 years would try ANYTHING! Although he did occassionally "praise" me for my willingness to enjoy whatever he wanted to do (including sexually) MORE often than not, he'd criticize me for "being too easy to please"! OMG!!!
So pardon me if I don't take the "whines" of men seriously....because I have 38 years of relationship experience which has demonstrated that most of you wouldn't be happy if we hung ya with a new rope! What started with Adam is still alive and going strong today! "Well, that WOMAN that YOU gave me....SHE made me do it!" Passive/aggressive WHINING.
Women DO have a sense of adventure...and they DO love sex, intercourse....whatever you choose to lable it. What they LACK however, are MEN with the courage to drop the passive/aggressive (who can I blame this on if it goes wrong) attitudes. Granted, not all women have as active an Adventure Gene as others....but it's there nonetheless; just waiting for a MAN with courage and confidence to switch it on. The guys who are on here whining that woman are looking for "perfection"....well, pardon me...but they're idiots. Any woman in here can probably tell you that one of the MOST endearing qualities a man can have is the ability to accept an occassional failure with dignity.....and not let it effect his next attempt. Too many men however turn 1 simple failure into a self fulfilling prophacy, get angry with themselves, take it out on everyone around them, and give up trying in any real ways. One comment earlier suggested that his porn magazine didn't complain about B.O.B. An astute point, but what he failed to consider is that the porno/masturbation scenario is more than just a "substitute" or a "different way".....it's passive/aggressive....it circumvents any possibility of "feedback". IE....it never "fails" you; nor you it.
My final point: is Jealousy! You're damn right we're JEALOUS! But we're NOT jealous of the silicone injected bimbos you're jacking off with. We're jealous of the hard ons you're wasting on a photograph that neither WANTS or APPRECIATES it! If a man is in a relationship with ME....then I damn well OWN every erection he gets....I don't care if it's 3am, or if I've already had 3 that day.....it's MINE....I WANT it....or at the very least I want a say in what's going to be done with it, but one way or the other, I'm going to accept responsibility for it......OTHERWISE.....I wouldn't be in the relationship. Too many people today balk at the concept of "ownership". LOL! well....this is already too long, I'll just shut up now. I am however very curious to see if a LOT of women don't feel exactly as I do about this!
Posted: 1/25/2008 6:58:08 AM
|Hey there's plenty of dysfunctional women that find insults to men common ground to ban together. |
There's a bunch here that have had years of practice and new ones popping up all the time looking for new creative ways to 'own' a man's erection.
And there's even a few masochistic men that will pay for the vise you'd like to keep their testicles in.
However people are individuals and it's obvious to me there's a limited supply of masochists available.
Good luck in your search and don't be surprised in finding less and less chances to apply that vise grip.
Remember your history is available to everyone that may actually look at your profile.
Posted: 1/25/2008 7:20:32 AM
Good luck in your search and don't be surprised in finding less and less chances to apply that vise grip. POST IT BABY!!!! LOL! Put it out on the table where everyone can examine it! I call your bluff....and raise you 10 brutal truths!
Remember your history is available to everyone that may actually look at your profile.
Posted: 1/25/2008 4:11:41 PM
|To refresh everyone's memory, THIS is the Thread Topic: |
Hiya, I'm fairly new to this site but started reading here in the forums and find it entertaining lol. I would like to hear from the guys why they think older woman don't like sex. Just because you were in a marriage for x number of years and your wife wasn't interested anymore doesn't mean she doesn't like sex. It simply means she was most likely bored with sex with you.
I'm curious however, about exactly who you think is bashing who, and who's "slinging"? The entire thread cites example after example as supporting evidence of the original comment. We've seen the same chronically malcontent opinions that consistantly try to compare apples to oranges by stating that THEY were once married to a woman who didn't like sex...or pornography...and trying their best to make it fit into THIS topic. How can you even rationalize that what a 30 yr old woman did or did not do with you 10 or 20 yrs ago....if evidence that ALL women hate sex...especially "mature" ones???
You've seen those who twist other people's words and stubbornly insist that their crystal ball told them what they really meant. You've seen those will cling til their dieing day, some worn out, poor me mentality, and then vehemently defend their overexaggerated wounds on anyone who would dare to suggest that perhaps THEY might have at least been partially responsible for their current misery.
I believe that one of the biggest points here is that MATURE WOMEN DO enjoy sex....but they want to do it with MATURE MEN! Maturity is NOT a chronological age, it's an attitude. Many people will not, at age 90, have reached the maturity level that some people have at age 40. A good part of "maturity" is having a strong sense of responsibility....and the ability to see a given set of circumstances from several different viewpoints. But even that is not enough when you're talking about 2 "mature people" being in a relationship. After you've looked at a situation from different viewpoints, you then have to ACT on what you've learned, considering that IF you're going to "get along" with someone....you might occassionally have to bend a little!
Mac perceived my comment about "ownership" in the typical most negative light possible. That's the mindset...that all women are out to put all guys balls in a vice....you will NEVER dissuade him and others like him from this negative thinking. Some people are very happy being victims. BUT, if you look at "ownership" in the way that I MEANT it....it's a VERY POSITIVE thing. If you own a home.....are you not more inclined to "take good care" of it than if you were renting from someone else? How many times have you heard a parent (perhaps your own) say that you can "own" a pet....when you show enough responsibility? It's simple....if you want a puppy, you have to be mature (responsible) enough to give it food, water, affection, excercise, clean up after it, etc. IF you want a "partner"...then you SHOULD be mature enough to understand that that partner is depending on you for certain things. Once again.....here will come the chronically malcontents....the perpetual victims! NO, it's a RELATIONSHIP....between 2 people....therefore 2 people are equally responsible for the needs of the relationship. Problems arise when the 2 people have lied about what those needs are from the beginning, OR when either or BOTH of them clam up, pout, or just flat out refuse to discuss their needs as they change. Yes, people's needs do change, and to maintain a successful relationship...the parties involved have to be willing to change and adapt with them.
Which brings us back around to the TOPIC: that just because a person doesn't enjoy sex with YOU....doesn't mean that they don't enjoy sex.
Posted: 1/25/2008 11:59:33 PM
GrannyBB, you are so easy! Thanks for the chat LOL! DesertBro....we're come full circle TWICE by you proving what was said PAGES ago when Broward dared any woman to admit that she loved intercourse.....and the women told you that we're NOT ALLOWED to......lest we be labeled.....
you are so easy WHY are you STILL arguing with yourself? LOL! You've proven repeatedly that several men participating (aggitating) in the forums don't say what they mean, mean what they say, don't know what they want, say they want one thing and then go 180 the other way. You've proven that challenges thrown down as evidence of one point are actually "traps" being set so someone can twist it around and do EXACTLY what you're doing now!!! LOL! You scream you want sex, sex, sex.....and then when she says, yeah... (as your hero challenged) I want intercourse, intercourse and more intercourse....then you start bellyaching like a little girl...that she doesn't care about....PERSONALITY??? ROFLMAO!!!!
The saddest part of it is, that you have no idea how many males have sent me email congratulating me for pointing out your hypocritical statements. Sometimes people think that they've "won" an argument simply because the "opponent" has shown the good sense to walk away and let them think they're great at debating. I'm a little more tenacious than most....LOL! plus....I don't have anything better to do, so I've tried to point out where the argument is flawed, but it's extremely difficult to engage in a rational and logical debate with someone who's so emotionally overwraught with personal issues that they can't grab onto abstract concepts. At this juncture, the most anyone can do....is wish you the best of luck.
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Posted: 1/26/2008 4:59:40 AM
LOL! DesertBro....we're come full circle TWICE by you proving what was said PAGES ago when Broward dared any woman to admit that she loved intercourse.....and the women told you that we're NOT ALLOWED to......lest we be labeled.....
As I did post previously, you can express yourself.... you choose not to. When I read the above statement for the umteenth time (re: "labelled"), I can't help but feel confused with your position regarding rights and independance.
On one hand women feel they have the right to be who they want. On the other hand, you are claiming you can't express yourself freely because women get labelled. In other words... you can burn your bra's but... you can't talk about it. Doesn't that say something about the underlying truth in women's movement?
It may not be true but, I kinda interpret you as saying, "We want to complain but we don't want to face the consequences of our grievances."
No matter the gender, the issue or the consequence.... if you can't follow through with it.. don't do it."
Procalim your enjoyment in intimacy and don't worry about the words of others; that's the premise of liberation and independance. Quite frankly, if it's a personal preference regarding sex, it's ok. Those who "label" you are the jerks - letting their bias morals rule is self defeating.
As a footnote: I don't jack off to porn.
(Not that it means I will get dates from women who love intercourse.)
Posted: 1/26/2008 6:18:57 AM
As I did post previously, you can express yourself.... you choose not to. When I read the above statement for the umteenth time (re: "labelled"), I can't help but feel confused with your position regarding rights and independance. I do believe that you should read the last few pages....AGAIN! I in fact, DID express myself, and that DID in fact, lead directly to the exact reactions which I had predicted.
I can't help but feel confused with your position regarding rights and independance. I believe that the source of your "confusion" is related to your believe that I am arguing (debating) a personally held belief. I am NOT. I am arguing (debating) a CONCEPTUAL IDEAL.
On one hand women feel they have the right to be who they want. On the other hand, you are claiming you can't express yourself freely because women get labelled. In other words... you can burn your bra's but... you can't talk about it. Doesn't that say something about the underlying truth in women's movement? Another problematic premise; I don't see where the topic we are discussing is in any way related to the "womens movement". Had I even the first inkling that the underlying topic was the "womens movement"....I can assure you that I would be debating the extreme OPPOSITE side.....and I am personally very ANTI "women's movement". Maybe I can type this is a size 4 font (I am vehemently opposed to ANY group of people who do nothing but whine and bellyache because they all the rights, but NONE of the responsibilities of another group of people who earned their way through hard work, determination, great sacrifice, intelligence and skill....ie...that would be "ye men of olde")
It may not be true but, I kinda interpret you as saying, "We want to complain but we don't want to face the consequences of our grievances." Hmmmmm, now I do believe that I stated EXACTLY the same sentiment several times. You are confusing the results of my "experiment" with my personal convictions; and thinking that I'm seething with anger when in fact...I'm LMAO.
No matter the gender, the issue or the consequence.... if you can't follow through with it.. don't do it."
Procalim your enjoyment in intimacy and don't worry about the words of others; that's the premise of liberation and independance. Quite frankly, if it's a personal preference regarding sex, it's ok. Those who "label" you are the jerks - letting their bias morals rule is self defeating. A fact that I've been well aware of and practiced for neigh onto 30 yrs....but I think that you and I may be one of very few who "get it!"
Perhaps a HINT will help those less enlightened :
The affective dimension of critical thinking
Critical thinking is about being both willing and able to think. Ideally one develops critical thinking skills and at the same time the disposition to use those skills to solve problems and form good judgments. The dispositional dimension of critical thinking is characterological. Its focus in developing the habitual intention to be truth-seeking, open-minded, systematic, analytical, inquisitive, confident in reasoning, and prudent in making judgments. Those who are ambivalent on one or more of these aspects of the disposition toward critical thinking, or who have the opposite disposition [biased, intolerant, disorganized, heedless of consequences, indifferent toward new information, mistrustful of reasoning, imprudence]are less likely to engage problems using their critical thinking skills. The relationship between critical thinking skills and critical thinking dispositions is an empirical question. Some have both in abundance, some have skills but not the disposition to use them, some are disposed but lack strong skills and some have neither. Two measures of critical thinking dispositions are the California Critical Thinking Disposition Inventory and the CM3 .
Critical thinking may be distinguished, but not separated, from emotions, desires, and traits of mind. Failure to recognize the relationship between thinking, feeling, wanting, and traits of mind can easily lead to various forms of self-deception, both individually and collectively. When persons possess intellectual skills alone, without the intellectual traits of mind, weak sense critical thinking results. Fair-minded or strong sense critical thinking requires intellectual humility, empathy, integrity, perseverance, courage, autonomy, confidence in reason, and other intellectual traits. Thus, critical thinking without essential intellectual traits often results in clever, but manipulative, often unethical, thought. In short, the sophist, the con artist, the manipulator often uses an intellectually defective but effective forms of thought---serving unethical purposes. However, whereas critical thinking yields itself to analytical considerations readily and may be considered largely "objective", few humans notice the degree to which they uncritically presuppose the mores and taboos of their society (and hence fail to discern their own “subjectivity.” and one-sidedness).
Further analysis and resources about the interaction between thought, desires, and emotions may be found in Roderick Hindery (2001): Indoctrination and Self-deception or Free and Critical Thought and in Paul and Elder (2004): The Human Mind.
Posted: 1/26/2008 7:46:50 AM
|At my age...with excellent health...I enjoy everything what is only possible for me.|
I have many habits...but I have many ideas to live for.
And I have joy for life...and nothing and nobody can take this away from me!
Posted: 1/26/2008 10:04:08 AM
|Ageless, you're treading dangerous ground now by mentioning either God, or alluding to the "unfallen" sexual nature. Yes, the "curse" pronounced on women was that her "desire shall be to the husband, and he shall rule over her." Which makes this statement null and void: |
I really do believe they are more talk than action. Jesus takes a more prominant role in their lives than their husbands or mates. Going to church becomes more inportant than intimacy. If this were true , then her desire WOULD be the exact opposite of what this poster suggests. And, as you've seen the vigorous rejection of the term "ownership"; men most definitely oppose the principle that sex is MANDATORY...there's not squabbling over one feels like it or not...it is the "due benevolence" (duty, good will) of both a husband and wife.
Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and LIKEWISE also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power over her own body; but the husband, and LIKEWISE the husband hath not control over his own body; but the wife. Defraud ye NOT one another, EXCEPT it be WITH consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer and COME TOGETHER again that Satan NOT tempt you for your INCONSISTENCY.
There are far too many fakes, upholding hypocritical theories; they argue emotionally rather than with reason, they neglect to examine evidence; and probably MOST of all, they knuckle under to politically corrrect nonsense, or merely adopt the attitudes of those who are whining the loudest in the hopes of getting at least some negative attention since they lack "what it takes" to get positive attention.
The answers are right there in front of them...but they REFUSE to see it. IE; they don't want what they SAY they want....they're rather keep on singing the Poor Ole Me tune, than to resolve their issues and lose all the sympathy for how badly they've been "victimized". "You can be POWERFUL, or pitiful....but you CANNOT be both". Their choice quickly becomes evident....they have chosen to remain "pitiful". Need I say it again....MATURE WOMEN WANT MATURE MEN! (not pitiful ones)
Posted: 1/26/2008 10:48:40 AM
MATURE WOMEN WANT MATURE MEN! (not pitiful ones)
Right on, and they do as do mature men are meeting mature women.
But mature men and women don't bicker and insult each other and their respective immature opinions.
They have no need for long drawn out explanations about what mature is and they have no need to hear or speak of fakes with hypocritical theories.
If a mature woman isn't getting satisfaction she communicates with a mature man about how to provide satisfaction.
If it is a dysfunctional relationship, both are at fault for not trying to remedy the situation essentially acting immaturely.
Some people are powerfully pitiful, usually ranting about all the fakes they attract cause the mature ones know how to get it.
Posted: 1/26/2008 12:43:03 PM
|Mac ...how refreshing to hear this from a man just goes to show there are a few out here..|
My ex was very selfish in the bedroom and I learned( this is all there is I guess)..my how time can change us.
I have found there are very thoughtful fullfilling lovers out there who knows how to please there woman..
Sex isnt something we women hate ,its the partner and their willingness to please..takes a mature man to do that!!
Posted: 1/26/2008 12:52:23 PM
|Mudbones..come over here and well talk|
Posted: 1/27/2008 7:50:50 AM
Just because you were in a marriage for x number of years and your wife wasn't interested anymore doesn't mean she doesn't like sex. It simply means she was most likely bored with sex with you
I couldn't have said it better myself.. lol
They convince themselves that SURELY it must be the WOMAN who is frigid and hates sex, RATHER, then accept the truth that they were TERRIBLE in bed.
A mature man would love to please a mature woman but would not have to run from one because he would not even try geting involved with a woman that he knows has a tendency to get bored with it.
It shows she lacks the ability to communicate how not to get bored with it.
As far as I'm concerned, If a woman isn't enjoying her self she is terrible in bed and even worse at communicating it. I wouldn't waste my time trying to convince her I'm good,m
Broadcasting bedroom boredom on the net will defiantly not excite someone that actually likes pleasing a partner.
Seems finding a eunich with a dildo might be an answer
Posted: 1/27/2008 9:28:24 AM
You have the interpersonal sophistication of the guy I was dating my first and second year in college. I lack nothing in communication skills and I am fully developed sexually. Some men aren't able to process constructive criticism... and that is why he didn't remain my boyfriend the third and fourth year of college. > Ohhhhhh, I knew that guy Ode!!!! LOL! ya tell 'em, and tell 'em, and tell 'em.......and they're still saying...."No, REALLY....tell me what you REALLY like" ROFL! Pretty soon you just give up and tell 'em what they wanted to hear all along...that they know it all and you have no opinions worthy of their consideration.
Interpersonal sophistocation LOL! Thank you! I always just called them "cowards".
Posted: 1/27/2008 9:35:23 AM
You have the interpersonal sophistication of the guy I was dating my first and second year in college.
Why thank you I never wanted to be sophisticated enough to land a date based on the fallacy I was ever that sophistic.
I lack nothing in communication skills and I am fully developed sexually. Some men aren't able to process constructive criticism... and that is why he didn't remain my boyfriend the third and fourth year of college.
Your communication skills landed you that guy in the first and second year didn't they and they landed you the next guy too but here you are.
Most people are not able to handle constructive criticism and spend a lot of time dissing the critiques they get instead of admitting they failed. That's why I like teaching martial arts, It's painfully obvious when dummies try to prove a piont to someone that already gets it.
Posted: 11/18/2008 10:35:17 AM
|I do belive that mature women are excel in sex relationship becoz they are not in rush and have done all hasty stuff. They are in no rush and run. They can stay longer and enjoy with ease and make other partner happy and comfortable.....|
Posted: 11/22/2008 12:38:08 PM
|What age is an older woman? |
Posted: 11/23/2008 6:13:18 AM
|a woman who is 50 can make a guy in 40's do those fun things . may even make him say YOO baby that was goud .|
Posted: 11/23/2008 10:31:08 AM
|some men AND women lose interest... and some gain interest. It's difficult when you go in opposite directions though. The interest and enthusiasm may the same, just not the frequency (my case in point).|
Someone made a good point about being more confident in letting your partner know what you like and would like to try. Nothing wrong with some healthy experimentation
Posted: 2/15/2009 9:32:14 AM
TO A VERY, VERY SMART MAN.....AGE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, ITS HOW ONE FEELS ABOUT THE OTHER AND HOW THEY MAKE THEM FEEL...
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