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 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 26
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Hey, many of you really seem to have a good grasp of the true origins of the music.
My own opinion would be that Wynnonie Harris more so than Louis Jordan was the true "King".Listen to "good rocking tonight" and you hear the same things as with Berry.Richard 10 yrs later. I find that even the net has ALOT of misinformation on the topic.Certainly,Big Joe Turner,Louis Jordan and Harris are the top 3 pioneers of the genre....although big props to Fats Domino.The groundwork laid by Basie,the Boswell sisters,Trixie Smith and Lil Johnson in the 20's-30's is far too often overlooked.Whatever the case,its clear RockNRoll started long before the 50's.
Interesting that many Rock historians actually attribute the 1st rock song as "rockit 88"...but fail to give Ike Turner credit for it.Also,Harris' "good rocking Tonight" came out 5 yrs before Rocket 88 was even recorded.
Sam phillips was far from an innovator.He was just a money hungry man who had a record studio.He was the same man who said "If I can find a white man who can sing that colored style,I'll be a millionare(then he found Perkins,then Elvis).Many recorded in his studio but it was 1 of few that even would record African Americans.He had many record in his studio but long AFTER the music the called "race music" in the south was popular among rual whites who'd go to Juke Joints run by "coloureds".
Allan Freed simply marketed the music to the east coast and midwest after it already ahd began to have sort of a cult following in those areas by white teens.
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 27
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/2/2005 11:05:28 AM
Late I like your knowledge on the topic.But I msut say that Freed was NOT the first to call it RocknRoll....he popularized the term to the masses of white youth.
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 28
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/2/2005 11:08:46 AM
Elvis was the Vanilla Ice/Eminem of RockNRoll.
 tower888
Joined: 3/26/2005
Msg: 29
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Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/2/2005 11:35:05 AM
A question about the most influential people in Rock, and nobody mentions the Beatles (or did I just miss it?)?! They certainly did not start rock and roll, but they more or less created the idea of the "rock band" that we still have with us today. They played instruments and sang. After their early career they wrote their own songs. They made videos. Their band inspired countless future rock stars to start bands. I don't know if they were the "most" influential, but their influence is undeniable.

As far as "who started rock", that could be debated forever, since it was a mixing of various genres. As to who first popularized it, I always thought is was accepted historical fact that Bill Haley and the Comets were the first rock group to achieve national popularity (with "Rock Around The Clock" in 1955)??
 tower888
Joined: 3/26/2005
Msg: 30
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Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/2/2005 11:35:33 AM
A question about the most influential people in Rock, and nobody mentions the Beatles (or did I just miss it?)?! They certainly did not start rock and roll, but they more or less created the idea of the "rock band" that we still have with us today. They played instruments and sang. After their early career they wrote their own songs. They made videos. Their band inspired countless future rock stars to start bands. I don't know if they were the "most" influential, but their influence is undeniable.

As far as "who started rock", that could be debated forever, since it was a mixing of various genres. As to who first popularized it, I always thought is was accepted historical fact that Bill Haley and the Comets were the first rock group to achieve national popularity (with "Rock Around The Clock" in 1955)??
 late™
Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 31
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/2/2005 11:35:43 AM
Late I like your knowledge on the topic.But I msut say that Freed was NOT the first to call it RocknRoll....he popularized the term to the masses of white youth.



But I msut say that Freed was NOT the first to call it RocknRoll....he popularized the term to the masses of white youth.


Hence my qualifier "popularize".

"Rock n' Roll" was originally an old vernacularism for "F U C K I N G".

The music itself has it's roots in many genres of music, all of which existed many decades before the genre of R n' R became mainstream.

To exclude any of the following genres, and their pioneers (yes, going back to the dawn of the 20th century)......is to show a lack of understanding of the "influences" that birthed rock n' roll, the progeny of many mothers and fathers.

Blues
Bluegrass
Western Swing
Gospal (Spirituals)
Boogie Woogie
Country

The common link in all of these "parents" is the reliance on the I, IV, V, .....progression.
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I always thought is was accepted historical fact that Bill Haley and the Comets were the first rock group to achieve national popularity (with "Rock Around The Clock" in 1955)??


These guys made a career out of co-opting "Jump" music, a genre pioneered by folks like Louis Jordan, Louis Prima, et al, ....and was hinted at in the 30's by folks like Slim Galliard and many others. As the OP states, ....the real roots and influences are further back in time than people realize, especially those whose knowlege of music history is from "pop culture".
 tower888
Joined: 3/26/2005
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Posted: 5/2/2005 11:38:05 AM
not sure why my post appeared twice?? Sorry!
 cat_in_hat
Joined: 1/11/2005
Msg: 33
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/2/2005 11:39:58 AM

The common link in all of these "parents" is the reliance on the I, IV, V, .....progression


aren't these called the twelve bar-blues? i get the feeling robert johnson had a huge role in influencing rock and roll. i don't know why though.........
 late™
Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 34
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/2/2005 11:44:21 AM

aren't these called the twelve bar-blues?


Not necessarily, a twelve bar can be I, V, ....or II, V, I, or even a vamp form(*somewhat implied changes)

The I, IV, V, structure is seen in many forms, it's not limited to blues.
 cat_in_hat
Joined: 1/11/2005
Msg: 35
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/2/2005 11:47:17 AM
ahh, i see thanks.
 late™
Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 36
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/2/2005 12:04:16 PM
Robert Johnson, like most "Juke" musicians of his day played blues, ...... and ragtime, .....and country, .... and was even known to play a polka or two.

His influence is real, yes, .....but due to myth and legend, not as much as some would think.
 rory27
Joined: 2/14/2005
Msg: 37
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Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/2/2005 4:53:47 PM
The farther back you go, the sketchier and more problematic the history becomes. For instance, some have said Son House ripped off Robert Johnson's style on guitar. Others, that Johnson, as a quiet, youthful Son House worshipper, learned for a long time from the Master.

Blind Boy Fuller is a seminal blues figure, and though he created the Piedmont style, created tunes from chain-gang call-and-response, church gospel, rag tunes, etc from the 19th century......

This is just to further the point: popularization does not equal influence. Even the rock legends that everyone knows: Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Clapton, and others, credit the '20's - '30's blues artists for their influence.

In addition, many latter day rockers (not the fans, though that's apparent), know very little of rock roots pre-Beatles, but nevertheless incorporate rythyms, moods, phrasing, attitudes, even specific riffs into their songs that have been done long before and which are just subconsciously part of the rock landscape.
 late™
Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 38
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/2/2005 5:22:26 PM
Amen bro'

That rock n' roll is one unruly, rambunctious, b@stard child, .......shaw nuff!!!!!!!
 sweetemotion
Joined: 11/28/2004
Msg: 39
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 40
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/3/2005 2:34:40 AM
"the sketchier and more problematic the history becomes"
Yes,this is true,but there are things that can be varified as opposed to being rumored and or linked.This is why I disagree with the notion of blugrass for example having a real enfluence on RockNRoll.Jazz,Gospel and Blues for sure.......still at the point of which the artform left the loins of Blues after being suckled by Jazz and inspired by grandparent gospel it became RockNRoll certainly this happened before the 50's.
RockNRoll's history is rather unclearly documented due to the fact that the pioneers/orignators were poor and African descendents in a society that was segregated by law and most practices and disregarded by that society.When artist who played jazz meet with artist who played blues in Juke Joints a flow was created with gospel singers.Some called the music "jump" because its what it made people do.As with Jazz and Blues white artist who heard it were drawn to it,would sit in sessions and jam.This is true of Bill Haley who was more of a country/bluegrass artist before.Carl Perkins as well.
 eryche420
Joined: 1/23/2005
Msg: 41
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/3/2005 2:47:22 AM
Off the subject slightly, most influential band for Heavy Metal I feel is Judas Priest, who are on tour now with the original line up, with Queensryche, Black Label Society, and possible some shows with Iron Maiden as well, for opening bands. Queensryche is playing only pre-mindcrime songs in their setlist.
 robman
Joined: 2/10/2005
Msg: 42
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/14/2005 6:00:25 PM
elvis by far he had the best voice and the best song and lots of them too
unlike other artists who only had a few hit songs
 TenthFloorDweller
Joined: 3/10/2005
Msg: 43
 OnTheBus
Joined: 9/12/2004
Msg: 44
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/14/2005 7:47:16 PM
I cant believe no one mentioned Fabian, or Bobby Vinton

 Dulcet
Joined: 4/25/2005
Msg: 45
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/14/2005 8:00:45 PM
Fabian, Bobby Vinton
 deejayehn
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 46
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/17/2005 12:05:03 AM
Motorhead
Chuck Berry
David Bowie
Elvis
Beatles
Pink Floyd
 MidnightChild
Joined: 6/16/2004
Msg: 47
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/17/2005 1:08:04 AM
There are too many influences to just name 1. Elvis, the Beatles, Carl Perkins, Johnny Cash and Chuck Berry from the early days.
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 48
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/17/2005 2:55:20 PM
1)Wynonnie Harris
2)Big Joe Turner
3)Louis Jordan

All had better voices than Elvis and were Rocking before he was born.Elvis is the Vanilla Ice of RockNRoll.
 marathonman11x7
Joined: 4/29/2005
Msg: 49
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/17/2005 3:06:40 PM
I ONLY list Harris ahead of Turner and Jordan because definativly the line between "Jump" and RockNRoll (if there is truely 1) was crossed by a song recorded by Harris in '46
Turner arguably actually recorded RockNRoll/Jump tunes in the late 30's/early40's....................ok.....put him ahead of Harris
Certainly the triaumphant of Turner/Jordan/Harris are the key to the "line" between "Blues Holler","JumpNJive", Bassie/Duke's "Boogie" and RockNRoll.
Can there even be a dispute of this?
 Reids
Joined: 12/2/2004
Msg: 50
Name the artist you feel was the most infulential in RockNRoll
Posted: 5/17/2005 3:45:17 PM
So much to read but I'd have to give some kudos to Robert Johnson
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