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 Internetdatingpariah
Joined: 10/17/2004
Msg: 101
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Engage me.

Actually it IS against the law. So contrary to what you want to believe a crime was certainly committed. But why let facts get in the way huh?

ONLINE SOLICITATION OF A MINOR (Texas Penal Code §33.021)
(a) In this section:
(1)"Minor" means:


A) an individual who REPRESENTS himself or herself to be younger than 17 years of age; or
(B) an individual whom the actor BELIEVES to be younger than 17 years of age.

2) "Sexual contact," "sexual intercourse," and "deviate sexual intercourse" have the meanings assigned by Section 21.01.
(3) "Sexually explicit" means any communication, language, or material, including a photographic or video image, that relates to or describes sexual conduct, as defined by Section 43.25.
(b) A person who is 17 years of age or older commits an offense if, with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person, the person, over the Internet or by electronic mail or a commercial online service, intentionally:
(1) communicates in a sexually explicit manner with a minor; or
(2) distributes sexually explicit material to a minor.
(c) A person commits an offense if the person, over the Internet or by electronic mail or a commercial online service, knowingly solicits a minor to meet another person, including the actor, with the intent that the minor will engage in sexual contact, sexual intercourse, or deviate sexual intercourse with the actor or another person.

Ps: I added the caps.

What you call mere role play, Texas calls it online solicitation of a minor.
Spin it anyway you want, but THAT'S the law.
 lovableladywanted
Joined: 5/14/2006
Msg: 102
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/16/2007 3:12:35 PM
Engageme you are right on , but these people are convinced these gentlemen are guilty no matter what . Fair trials, violations of peoples constitutional rights ,lack of due process, mean nothing to the lynch mob mentality that is out there. Its actually very sad in this guys opinion.
 lovableladywanted
Joined: 5/14/2006
Msg: 103
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/16/2007 3:51:55 PM
Fela I am going to report you to the moderators . You are making personal attacks on me that are uncalled for . Evidently I must be making great points. To insinute I am a pedofile because I support rights of individuals makes you lose credibility completely.
 lovableladywanted
Joined: 5/14/2006
Msg: 104
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/16/2007 3:58:08 PM
These threads are about honest debate. I am making intellectually sound opinions based on how I see American law. Its very sad that this individual FELA has to name call me and call me a criminal because I am bringing up these points . It shows I must be winning the debate because if that is all the guy can do is discredit my profile and me as a person than I truly hope his life gets better . I have made my points without personally attacking anyone and I am proud of that fact . I wont be intimidated by these soreheaded people that can only name call others or start rumours about strangers that they do not even know . The truth is on my profile I ask for ladies pictures because I WANT TO TALK TO SOMEONE LEGAL AGE . Whats the use I do not need to justify my life to someone that can only attack me . Have a great day Fila .
 lovableladywanted
Joined: 5/14/2006
Msg: 105
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/16/2007 4:07:43 PM
By the way Mark Foley a govt representative that passed some of these laws to catch people on line turned out to be a predator himself . So you see its not so simple to just call someone a pedofile because they disagree with you . It shows great lack of intelligence that people have to stoop that low in this , I feel spirited debate. I will continue to make my points as eloquently as I can and without resorted to the mudslinging , that unfortunately seems to be part of this debate in this thread .
 lovableladywanted
Joined: 5/14/2006
Msg: 106
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/16/2007 6:31:50 PM
Fela that was not me that made comments about your appearance, it was someone else. Go back and check your facts . I continue to discuss the issues of legality or not .If you are going to come back at someone at least find out who the person is . IT was not me .
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 107
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/16/2007 7:34:17 PM
The are the inocents whose rights need to be protected.

Exactly the point.

That is why these operations need to be conducted by law enforcement and law enforcement only, not for-profit, exploitative media concerns. That way, when child abusers are caught, they don't end up walking away to do it again, more deviously due the experience.

If these media types are really that concerned about the welfare of children they should be willing to provide the hundreds of thousands of dollars to law enforcement to enhance their ability to do the job right and wait until after justice has run its course to air their shows.

That way they will still get their ratings (although why anyone would want to watch such a disgusting, exploitive excuse for entertainment is beyond me) and will have truly done something that honestly furthers child welfare first and foremost.
 Engage-me
Joined: 11/2/2006
Msg: 108
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/16/2007 11:12:06 PM
justhank and babylonia

FYI Texas is not the world. Any laws it passes affects ONLY those within its geographic borders. It is not the whole USA. Nor is it Canada, the Bahamas, Cuba, Haiti, Jamaica or any other nation or state in the western half of the northern hemisphere. The Texas justice system sentences more people to death and kills them than any other state. Texas is also home to Halliburton and other companies of similar ethics.

And due to the nature of the Internet, if one of the parties is not within the aforementional geographic boundaries, the law is moot. As many state legislators have found out concerning gambling and "adult" sites they have tried to regulate or censor.

I bet if that law (if quoted accurately) ever gets to the Supreme Court, it will be deemed unconstitutional.

This is a very slippery slope. How soon before someone decides that if a person THINKS about having sex with another person and that second person doesn't approve, then the first person has committed RAPE? That's the logic in this law. Wake up and smell the coffee people! (Or Postum, if you're Mormon.) YOUR legal protections are being taken from you, too. I don't like Larry Flynt and never read his magazines, but he was right when he said that our legal & constitutional rights must be applied equally to all. If they aren't, then we become subject to the caprices of whoever happens to be in power. Examples: Hitler. Sadamm Hussein, the Taliban, Kim Jung Il (spelling?), Vladimir Putin.
 lovableladywanted
Joined: 5/14/2006
Msg: 109
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/17/2007 4:12:46 AM
I am most concerned about peoples rights first and these gentlemen are people . We all have rights under the law and I refuse to let emotion get in the way. Sure pedofilia sucks its a heinous crime but violating peoples civil rights sucks more , because remember those rights that are violated might just be YOURS one day. Once the fabric of the law is violated than you really have nothing.
 Internetdatingpariah
Joined: 10/17/2004
Msg: 110
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/17/2007 4:44:13 AM
babylonia,

Thank you. "engage me" & "llw" forget that we are talking about an issue that happened in Texas, was originally posted by LLW. Why they ignore the actual law...errrr...my POSTS regarding the actual law is obvious. It shoots a HUGE hole in their premise. That Texas statute is perfectly clear and while I don't agree 100% with the show itself, the LAW as it relates to this issue is clear. Also, "engage me" I'm sure if you bothered to look I'm sure Texas is not the only state with a law similar to this.
 Internetdatingpariah
Joined: 10/17/2004
Msg: 111
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/17/2007 4:51:42 AM
Engage me,

Here's the Utah equivalent.

76-4-401. Enticing a minor over the Internet -- Elements -- Penalties.
(1) (a) A person commits enticement of a minor over the Internet when the person knowingly uses a computer to solicit, seduce, lure, or entice, or attempts to use a computer to solicit, seduce, lure, or entice a minor
or a person the defendant believes to be a minor to engage in any sexual activity which is a violation of state criminal law.

(b) A person commits enticement of a minor over the Internet when the person knowingly uses a computer to initiate contact with a minor or a person the defendant believes to be a minor and subsequently, by any electronic or written means, solicits, seduces, lures, or entices, or attempts to solicit, seduce, lure, or entice the minor or a person the defendant believes to be the minor to engage in any sexual activity which is a violation of state criminal law.
(2) It is not a defense to the crime of enticing a minor under Subsection (1), or an attempt to commit this offense, that a law enforcement officer or an undercover operative who is working with a law enforcement agency was involved in the detection or investigation of the offense.



Oh, here's a link which includes the law or laws regarding this in all 50 states.
I haven't read them all so I have no idea what they say.

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/lis/kidnet/lureminorlaws.htm
 Tossed_Salad
Joined: 6/23/2007
Msg: 112
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/17/2007 12:35:36 PM

When I tell my children (all girls) that they have to be worried about people, and to be caucious,


I hope that if you did have boys you tell them to be 'caucious' as well!
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 113
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/17/2007 8:36:14 PM

Obviously some don't, they are more concerned helping pervs keep their privacy.


People have their ethics a little askew, when its perfectly acceptable to watch COPS and see some trailer trash get nailed for beating up his wife, but get upset at some show showing some perv show up for sex with a child and get busted

For those who may be a bit challenged when it comes to reading comprehension or simply enamored with strawman arguments, the argument is not about "pervs keeping their privacy" (did someone say that they were entitled to any more protection than any other criminal? If so, point it out because I can't find it).

The point is about maintaining the integrity of the law by not letting profit seeking vigilantes (it was PJ who hired an agent and demanded to be paid. They didn't ask for the money to be donated to legitimate law enforcement programs, they asked for it for themselves) exploit public distaste for child abusers under the guise of social responsibility.

Why is it that putting the money paid to PJ directly into legitimate law enforcement programs not preferable? Wouldn't that help address the under-funding and over-stretched resources? Wouldn't that do more to help catch child abusers and keep them from getting a "get out of jail free" card? I still haven't seen those questions answered by the "frontier justice" crowd.

The other point wasn't that a show like COPS is OK (it still appeals to the baser, voyueristic tendencies of the low-brow media crowd) but that it clearly does not interfere with the law enforcement process, does not "screw the pooch" by creating situations in which caught criminals get their "get out of jail free" card and does not pretend to be acting in the interests of society rather than being out for the ratings and money.

It is low-brow, "car-wreck rubbernecking" tv but at least it doesn't pretend to be anything else (unlike the self-interested manipulaters at PJ) and not one criminal has been set free because of their activities (PJ can't make the same claim).
 Engage-me
Joined: 11/2/2006
Msg: 114
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/17/2007 8:41:20 PM
To justhank and the rest of you who subscribe to the mob mentality.
The texas' law quote is rather simple compared to the one you dug up for utah. BUT
Utah's law is unenforcible under the same conditions as Texas' and will be declared unconstitutional for the same reasons.

Oh. Definition of mob mentality: Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out(so what if we were wrong???)

For the record, I have two daughters too. And what does it say about the parents if their 13 & 14 year old daughters are chatting about sex on the internet with strangers ???????????????????????? TO me it says the parents are not doing their fricking job!

Oh strummer
Would anyone acuse law enforcement of entrapment, if they used an undercover police woman as bait, to catch a rapist ?


Yes, it's been done, and the "Criminal" vindicated
They have to PHYSICALLY MEET and he has to do a number of things -- or they can't touch him. BECAUSE HE DIDN'T BREAK A LAW!!!

BTW it's aCCuse and Kudos. IF you don't want to look as stupid as you aCCuse others of being, use your spell checker.
 Engage-me
Joined: 11/2/2006
Msg: 115
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/17/2007 8:52:23 PM
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/07/20060727-7.html

"Operation Predator. The Administration launched Operation Predator to help law enforcement track down and arrest foreign pedophiles, human traffickers, sex tourists, and Internet pornographers who prey on our children."

That is not an explanation of anything. But then, that's how some peoples minds operate -- take that anyway you like.

I KNOW what entrapment is. Obviously you do not. Or you ignore any part of the 'legalities' you don't want to deal with.

Why don't all of you screaming for blood people here move to North Korea. If you live out the year, come back and let us know if maybe your attitude about due process has changed at all.

 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 116
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/17/2007 9:17:36 PM
Make a big donation to Police departments and that will fund everything they need to catch the predators???

So giving the $100,000.00 a show to the legitimate law enforcement to do the job right and ensure that cases make it to court won't solve anything but paying it to PJ will. Right...


Dateline has done dozens of them. Everything from Jewelry Stores ripping people off to ways people steal credit cards and stores caught on camera accepting a card from a guy that was in a womans name, or job interviewers favoring a pretty woman over a frumpy, better qualified one. All done with hidden cameras.

How does investigative journalism that is not connected with law enforcement practices, does not even try to pass itself off as a criminal investigation and does nothing to screw up potentially legitimate cases/investigations compare to the PJ bullsh*t? Just another "apples and oranges" strawman argument to try and defend the PJ/network screw-ups who let these guys draw their "get out of jail free" card.

You still haven't demonstrated how these guys did a better job than law enforcement would have with the same $100,000.00.
 Engage-me
Joined: 11/2/2006
Msg: 117
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/17/2007 9:36:12 PM
"Why don't all of you bleeding heart liberals have these poor misunderstood child molesters live with you so you can show them the errors of their ways!"

In case you didn't notice, I live in UTAH where they stuffed the last living liberal here back in the 70's. Mud slinging and name calling as so first grade... Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know you didn't get out of kindergarten. ROFLMFAO
 lovableladywanted
Joined: 5/14/2006
Msg: 118
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/18/2007 3:24:12 AM
Sacto my bet is you do not even know the dictionary definition of liberal . That is what all the right wing talk show hosts do. Just throw around labels that is very intelligent.... NOTTT. I know the uneducated right wing talk show listeners and they lose any sense of intellectual tact when they throw words around they do not even know the definition of . It is not liberal, conservative or otherwise to respect INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. I can see right here these people are calling these gentlemen all kinds of derogatory names getting just one side of the story . This is exactly what CATCH A PREDATOR wants . You are all being brainwashed by a tv show and an organization{PJ} for whatever reason. Both of these groups have an agenda . PJ's agenda is to throw every adult in jail, particularly men that as much as talk to an imaginary child and we know what CATCH A PREDATOR agenda is ... sensationalism and ratings. I do not believe for one minute they never got a lady , especially since so many women have been arrested for sex with a minor, especially here in FL . They only USE men because that is where the outrage comes from . I did not know PJ was profiting from this , thanks to the poster that brought that up. That makes this even more illegitimate.
 Internetdatingpariah
Joined: 10/17/2004
Msg: 119
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/18/2007 6:47:42 AM
engage me,


To justhank and the rest of you who subscribe to the mob mentality.
The texas' law quote is rather simple compared to the one you dug up for utah. BUT
Utah's law is unenforcible under the same conditions as Texas' and will be declared unconstitutional for the same reasons.

Oh. Definition of mob mentality: Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out(so what if we were wrong???)


Please reference ANY post of mine where I do anything but quote the LAW as it currently stands in Texas and Utah and other states. Reference any post of mine where I say Kill them or hang them or ANY post similar to that. One Quote of mine linking me to a mob mentality.

Like it or not, what I posted is the current law. It may not be enforceable, it may not be right, but it's the law. Feel free to have your opinion, but a fact is a fact.
 Internetdatingpariah
Joined: 10/17/2004
Msg: 120
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/18/2007 7:36:29 AM
Pazoozoo,

They have no such facts. Their cry of "entrapment" is bogus, because it does not fit the definition of entrapment. They ignore the law regarding online solicitation of a minor for the purposes of sex. They ignore state law and federal law regarding that issue. They accuse others of mob mentality and over-emotionalizing the issue in order to cloud the fact that they have no legal basis for their rants.
If you post a link with the exact law or heaven forbid agree with that law, you are nothing but a Fox-watching slack-jawed yokle. LOL

They are no more free thinkers than those they condem. Their minds are closed to anything other than their views which they have convinced themselves are the ONLY correct possibilities.


My opinion obviously.


NOW Back ON TOPIC...Can "LLW" or "Engage me" provide REAL facts on this case???
Facts they can back-up with links???
 Engage-me
Joined: 11/2/2006
Msg: 121
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/18/2007 10:06:54 AM
Yes, I deliberately misspelled "damned" .

FACTS?:

Gregory S. Davis, First Assistant DA for Collin County, Texas wrote:


As prosecutors, we are sworn to uphold the law and apply the same legal standard in every case – no matter how much we despise the crime or the criminal. Otherwise, the law loses all meaning, and no one can have any confidence in the criminal justice system. In this instance, we reviewed the Murphy cases multiple times over several months to see if we could find a way to legally accept them for prosecution. We applied the applicable legal standards, and ultimately found that the cases were legally deficient. In many of cases, we found that we had no legal jurisdiction to prosecute because legally the crime occurred outside Collin County . In many cases, we could not prosecute because Perverted Justice refused to answer our questions, refused to participate as witnesses, or refused to turn over potential evidence. We could not accept cases that lacked jurisdiction, necessary witnesses or necessary evidence.

Before this investigation ever began, we advised all concerned that we were in the law enforcement business - not show business. We advised them that we would apply legal standards to all resulting cases. Perverted Justice chose to proceed with the program anyway. They achieved big ratings and favorable publicity. We chose to follow the law. It was the right thing to do. We will continue to do so in all future cases – no matter how much we despise the crime or the criminal. You and the other citizens deserve nothing less from John Roach and the prosecutors who work on your behalf.


I didn't provide this, but that shoots your pronouncements of facts that a crime was committed all to he//. Let's see how you can twist the ADA's statement "We chose to follow the law. " around to support your point of view.

Non-existent sites like www.jeffreyleving.com. which I realized did not come from you but one of your clones.
And what the he// does

And yes, I am too lazy to use spell checker. That fact alone does not NEGATE Texas law or Utah law does it?
mean? trying to muddy the waters so more????
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 122
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/18/2007 4:14:53 PM
I sometimes wish that common sense was a bigger part of justice. It's very obvious that the people that have been caught by this show are in fact child predators, and I have to question the people that are trying to find technicalities or excuses or give some speech about the law being held to a higher standard as reasons that shows like this shouldn't exist.

Of course they are very probably child abusers and, of course, they should be caught and prosecuted.

The fact that they weren't prosecuted is a direct result of the way they were caught and the actions of those catching them. How is that a "technicality"?

If that is the reason they are now free then common sense dictates that people like this must be caught in a way that ensures they are prosecuted (as in, by law enforcement using proper methods not by tv "shock-jocks" out for money and ratings).

When the method of catching them allows them to go free then it is the method that fails to provide protection to children not the words of those advocating for the job to be done correctly.
 lovableladywanted
Joined: 5/14/2006
Msg: 123
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/18/2007 5:18:30 PM
Its not obvious to me that these men are predators and I am an educated person lmao. The show is biased so why should I believe everything they put out there . If you people want to believe one side of it than go ahead. Again folks this is agenda driven , not at all for the sake of catching the bad guy. Law enforcement does a wonderful job overall in our country , I truly believe most cops are professional. Even at times when I have gotten ticketed for whatever, it was always in a professional manner . Leave the job of law enforcement to law enforcement. Most of these towns involved are small towns handing and trusting the evidence to PJ and PREDATOR. That is where the ball is dropped .
 Engage-me
Joined: 11/2/2006
Msg: 124
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/18/2007 9:21:28 PM
Kindergarten is spelled correctly, strummer.
First entry returned when googling K I N D E R G A R T E N:
"Kindergarten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Kindergarten (help·info) (German, literally means "children's garden") is a form of education for young children which serves as a transition from home to ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindergarten - 54k - Cached - Similar pages"

Care to try again micro brain???????????????
 Tossed_Salad
Joined: 6/23/2007
Msg: 125
Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/19/2007 9:17:45 AM
LOL :)


Mud slinging and name calling as so first grade...


engage me... your spell check isnt working ? or you didnt pass kindergarten ? is , isnt spelled with an a...


and isn't and don't are spelled with apostrophes, you know the little key next to the 'enter' key on most keyboards?

if you're going to toss rocks, don't live in a glass house? also it does seem a bit juvenile to focus on spelling rather than the real argument
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