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 moffassa
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Hello!
I'm sorry to hear about your loss.
Believing in God comes natural and easy for me because is something that I learned at home . My father and grandmother were people of faith(not religion), and accepting the good and the bad as they came.
Just to let you know that in this world there is a devil and his followers (bad angels) that causes us grief.
Now , you might ask: Why God of love allows this devil to do so many nasty things? Because He is Not in Full control . That is Why we have to pray for God to Intervene in our life and save us from harm as much as he can.
However, pain and sorrow help us to grow strong , with good character to reach out to others. Have faith . Its free. Moffassa
 HeyJenny
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 277
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Posted: 11/30/2008 12:01:10 PM
Hello
Yes I absolutely believe in God, there is only one. I believe because I have faith that God exists. Some people need to witness a miracle and then they believe. If you want to ,you can go to Youtube and search miracles or religion, that type of thing. There's quite alot on various subjects that might enlighten you. Just because we believe in something does not make us all "nuts" although there are some out there who have twisted views.
Unfortunitely some things will be a mystery until our deaths. This Earth is NOT Heaven and horrible things happen all the time. Sometimes God or anjels,etc. intercede for us, maybe because it wasn't our time to die. Other times innocent people suffer, this is a mystery. I do know that God gave us free will and because He did, we get to choose how we react to what life throws at us.
I am so sorry about your friend. Hopefully she can find peace.
Also,be respectful of other people when you do question, but questioning may be a good start for you.
Jenny
 daddy-day-care
Joined: 6/12/2008
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Posted: 11/30/2008 2:28:58 PM

It is not the interbreeding between unrelated species. As the definition suggests it is a series of minuscule changes affecting the genetics of a generation of species (not an entire species on a global level!) until a new species is formed, typically as a result of a changing habitat.

If you wish to see evidence of this then look at the different races of human beings, or go to a dog show and look at the different breeds of dog. Dogs that are alive today would not survive if left in a world without people: the only dogs that would survive are the ones most similar to wolves and would evolve as their habitat demands it. There are also plenty of fossilised remains of extinct species that show evolution in progress.



yes fact


2) Earth and humans did develop due to chance. Particles in the universe collided in to each other forming matter which collided in to other matter until planets and stars developed. Eventually Earth was formed and was stable enough to sustain life. Single cell organisms were the first forms of life on Earth and they evolved in to larger species which eventually evolved in to monkeys who eventually evolved in to humans.


pffffffft ....................good to see you have faith brother
and you think religon has holes in it!!!!!


I had the same theary for a long time but after a few personal miracles pffffffft no way
I'll go for the helping hand from the big man upstairs, as we all need it at times.
 smoranean
Joined: 11/18/2008
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Posted: 11/30/2008 6:32:04 PM

In terms of probability, the concept of a God existing (especially in religious terms) is so low that it's not even worth considering.

Life exists simply because it can and works on a trial and error system. There's no deep meaning behind anything. Why is the universe here? I like to think that absolute nothing cannot logically exist without a comparison and vice-versa.


That's the fundamental error in your logic. Scientists and mathematicians seeking proof of God are rather like the drunk searching for his lost car keys in the street, who, as the analogy proclaims, searches under the street light because he cannot see in the dark.

One of the first steps you must take in your quest for salvation is to let go your scientific understanding and linear thought processes, and realise that there are very good reasons why you are not permitted to have that coveted proof.

It's just a matter of expanding your thinking outside the limitations of science. Children do it effortlessly, but some grownups seem to develop a phobia about it as the progress through their education to rather cycloptic outcomes. What the psychos would probably call it if they weren't so embarrassed by the thought of it (as it applies to themselves more than anyone) is Scientific Mind Disorder (SMD). How about that for a new mental eccentricity to keep the industry in the money?

Sometimes this same argument goes round in such circles with scientific athiests incapable of thinking outside their learned limitations that we might as well be writing in Braille, but I hope some people might get the message without having to find out the hard way. Life is a bit of a trial and error system isn't it?
 1NSATIABLE
Joined: 6/8/2008
Msg: 280
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Posted: 11/30/2008 6:54:06 PM

This Earth is NOT Heaven and horrible things happen all the time


ive often considered the possability its hell................
 lyingcheat
Joined: 10/1/2008
Msg: 281
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Posted: 11/30/2008 10:22:59 PM

Yes, Look around, there is absolutely no way this planet and humans could have occured by just random chance of accident.

Yeah, the chaotic randomness and complete lack of order that fills the entire known universe is just some kind of aberration. God was tired I guess, or ran out of time maybe, after setting up the only really important bit, and creating the only thing in the whole universe with any meaning or importance, Earth of course, with us on it!

So He must have just left the rest of it, and then never got around to straightening it out. The universe is sooo obviously just a decoration anyway that God made for us to look at sometimes, at night.

I don't know how anyone can seriously think "this planet and humans could have occurred by just random chance of accident.!!" hahahahaa
Mind you, people will believe anything! Even in FairyTales and other crazy stuff too, so it's no surprise there's a few deluded individuals who just can't understand how God got the upper hand over Apollo, Jupiter, Ra, Yahweh/Jehovah, Axalotyl, Memsahib, Joseph Smith, Pataks, MumboJumbo, Dos Vadanya, and all those other outrageous imposters and crackpot voodoo peddlars.

It's perfectly obvious that God, without even using any tricks, like a magic wand or something dumb like that, or throwing a curtain over it so no one could see it was just mirrors, but right out in the open, Viola!! Or maybe Voila!! So the French people would know to get started, then He must have said it in all the other languages I suppose, otherwise we'd all still be just standing there at the beginning of time, wondering what to do and maybe getting a bit bored but too afraid to say anything. hahahaa So He must have said, like Hey Presto! Abracadabra! And maybe Surprise! So we'd all get a move on and start honouring Him and building churches and other important stuff that He'd planned all along we should do.

There is little or no prove for evolution. (snip)

Unlike the loads of actual proof for the existence of Virgin Birth and other amazing God stuff, like living in Heaven or going to Hell like everyone is going to who isn't a member of my particular sect, being the only True one 'n'all.
Yup, me and God'll be laughing at you suckers writhing in torment for eternity.

So if ya don't want your guts sucked out through your bvmh0le and fed to burning demons while standing on your head in 20cm of boiling excrement as a thousand tiny devils poke you right in the eye with freezing cold blunt needles and laugh while they're doing it until the end of time, when God just presses the reset button, and they force your guts back in the same way they came out, except now they're pretty hot.
Well you better get on your knees and Thank God for being such a kind and merciful and loving benevolent papa up in the sky who's looking out for you all the time. Because think of the mess we'd all be in, Christians I mean, all us Christians would be in because the other 3 or 4 billion don't count, if God wasn't helping us out?
 smoranean
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Posted: 11/30/2008 10:45:14 PM

Because think of the mess we'd all be in, Christians I mean, all us Christians would be in because the other 3 or 4 billion don't count, if God wasn't helping us out?


We don't have to think very hard, eh? Just look at the mess outside in the street, or watch the tv news tonight - what a goddamn mess we've made of this garden!

Trouble is, so many of these homo sapiens have too much pride to ask for God's help so it's no wonder we've ended up in such a hellish state as this as a planet. We won't get very far unless we all pull our weight, but there are so many slackers who couldn't give a damn about it, so I guess we communally get what we ask for.

See it now on wide-screen high-definition television at a department store near you!
 IzzyB73
Joined: 6/26/2007
Msg: 283
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Posted: 11/30/2008 10:53:19 PM

So if ya don't want your guts sucked out through your bvmh0le and fed to burning demons while standing on your head in 20cm of boiling excrement as a thousand tiny devils poke you right in the eye with freezing cold blunt needles and laugh while they're doing it until the end of time, when God just presses the reset button, and they force your guts back in the same way they came out, except now they're pretty hot.


and I can imagine you would be joining them ?????? for eternity I can just see it now eternity in hell and your keyboard mocking you because no matter how much you try you would never be able to reach your keyboard to type your relentless sarcastic remarks of others belief systems
 lyingcheat
Joined: 10/1/2008
Msg: 284
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Posted: 11/30/2008 11:03:10 PM


and I can imagine you would be joining them ?????? for eternity I can just see it now eternity in hell and your keyboard mocking you because no matter how much you try you would never be able to reach your keyboard to type your relentless sarcastic remarks of others belief systems

Thank you for the best wishes and kind remarks.

But ya know, talking of attacks on belief systems.... my comments were actually addressed to the topic of this thread, unlike yours.
 smoranean
Joined: 11/18/2008
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Posted: 11/30/2008 11:12:36 PM
But ya know, talking of attacks on belief systems.... my comments were actually addressed
to the topic of this thread, unlike yours.


Just go back and edit all the rubbish out and type NO instead then. That's the answer you're having so much trouble trying to get across.

Q. Do you believe in a god?
A. NO.

Easy if you try real hard isn't it?



I honestly thought you were trying to wax satirical, but it did get a bit disjointed and repetitive throughout the paragraphs so I don't recommend you submit it to the comedy publishers without a little more work on the general flow.
 1NSATIABLE
Joined: 6/8/2008
Msg: 286
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Posted: 11/30/2008 11:31:24 PM
i cant see atoms.....but scientist have pictures
i cant see dna........but scientist have pictures

i cant see ghost's..but non scientists have pics
i think i met an angel...but forgot to take a pic

i prefer not to see blood..... but i bleed
i prefer not to see sewage... but i s--t

some believe in a god...as they feel they know him
some believe in a god......because they fear not to

some dont believe in a god...as there yet to know him
some dont believe in a god...as there yet to see the pic

those asking if theres a god why do's he let bad things happen
try asking god .... i did once ...wish i hadnt...i believe he answered just not how i anticipated he would (verbally)
 lyingcheat
Joined: 10/1/2008
Msg: 287
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Posted: 12/1/2008 12:15:48 AM
I honestly thought you were trying

to quote

But couldn't... um.... pull it off, so to speak.

Why are you attacking my belief systems? Do you feel threatened? Your beliefs are shaky?
In the cold hours before dawn, do you secretly doubt? Think maybe, there is no god?
Else why would you expose yourself to ridicule?

And I wasn't "trying to wax satirical" by the way. I don't have to try! It's effortless.
But even if I was? I think I'd rather be me, waxing lyrical.
Than be you, wane king.
 smoranean
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Posted: 12/1/2008 12:22:08 AM

And I wasn't "trying to wax satirical" by the way. I don't have to try! It's effortless.
But even if I was? I think I'd rather be me, waxing lyrical.
Than be you, wane king.


Next time just answer NO to the question then and you won't come across as so offensive to some other people whose beliefs you mock and so comical in the eyes of the rest of us.
 smoranean
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Posted: 12/1/2008 3:02:19 AM

The most pathetic excuse that religion uses to explain the lack of proof of their God - in scientific terms - is when they say that it's His will he cannot be proven - just like you are saying Smoranean.


You've almost got it right there, but not quite. All you've done is capitalised a pronoun.

The first step that you must take from here is to lose your SMD (Scientific Mind Disorder).

I am not writing to you what you mistakenly insinuate at all, because you have given no reasons as to WHY you cannot have permission to prove God. It is beyond your understanding to comprehend those reasons why as long as you continue to think from such a linear mindset. The only way that a scientist can learn the reasons why such a thing would be very very bad would be to try it - to experiment. That is why it is not possible for the scientist to ever understand it. You would sacrifice less lives if you took the elevator to the top floor of a tall building and tried to prove by experiment that you cannot fly.

You must think unlike a scientist to have any possible means to get the message. It is your choice to not believe in a god or God, but it is not your right to try to inflict your own lack of understanding on others.

Therefore, just say that you do not believe in a God, for that is all that you need to do. If I am asked whether I believe in snow in Perth, I can answer No, without trying to insult the people a little older than I who HAVE seen snow in Perth. Just because I am ignorant does not give me the right to tell other people that they are wrong when I don't know what I am talking about because I am actually admitting that I know nothing about snow in Perth by stating that I don't believe in it. It is of nobody's interest to learn WHY I don't believe in snow in Perth, but if someone DOES believe that it can snow in Perth, then that might beg the question of WHY? If I don't believe, then there is no need to elaborate on the reasons, because there is no need to have a reason not to believe in anything.

That is why this same old debate continues so pointlessly. If you can't accept that you just don't understand the truth while you continue to blind yourself with science, then maybe you should stop trying to antagonise those who DO understand and possess the cognitive requirements that you lack.

Silliest religion of all is atheism, but that's just my opinion, so please don't be offended you rascally athiest you!

 IzzyB73
Joined: 6/26/2007
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Posted: 12/1/2008 3:05:08 AM

You speak of psychopaths while disregarding the fact that most psychopaths are religious. Hitler is a good example


and it was reported that hilter had syphillis ( hense going mad ) so i dont see what your point is there .... I am sure there were and are just as many psychopaths that were and are not religious nuts but hey I could be wrong
 lyingcheat
Joined: 10/1/2008
Msg: 291
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Posted: 12/1/2008 3:58:36 AM
There's inconsistency here that you could drive a truck through. All from the same poster.

It is your choice to not believe in a god or God, but it is not your right to try to inflict your own lack of understanding on others.

Said while trying to inflict your own lack of understanding on others.

Therefore, just say that you do not believe in a God, for that is all that you need to do. (snip) ...without trying to insult the people a little older...(snip)...If I don't believe, then there is no need to elaborate on the reasons...(snip)

Said while, at great length, insulting others with elaborately tedious irrelevancies in an attempt to imply they are stupid, and wrong.

Just because I am ignorant does not give me the right to tell other people that they are wrong when I don't know what I am talking about

Said while telling people they're ignorant, and don't know what they're talking about.

If you can't accept that you just don't understand the truth while you continue to blind yourself with science, then maybe you should stop trying to antagonise those who DO understand and possess the cognitive requirements that you lack.

More veiled insults and now claiming 'special' knowledge?

Silliest religion of all is atheism, but that's just my opinion, so please don't be offended you rascally athiest you!

hahahaa What a kidder! None taken, you deluded oaf you. But please don't be offended by that, I mean it kindly.

Gosh! I'm corrupt as all hell but I can't compete with this!
I bow humbly to your breathtaking hypocrisy, exposing acres of buttock, half a yard of crack and letting one go in your honour.

And besides, I know better than to argue with blind fanaticism.
 daddy-day-care
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Posted: 12/1/2008 5:21:04 AM
all in the name of god
over and out!!!!!!!!!!!
patiently waiting for a political thread now!!!!!!!!!!!
pfffffffffffffffT
 Naamah
Joined: 11/1/2008
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Posted: 12/1/2008 6:33:49 AM

Just go back and edit all the rubbish out and type NO instead then. That's the answer you're having so much trouble trying to get across.

Q. Do you believe in a god?
A. NO.

Easy if you try real hard isn't it?


That's pretty patronising wording. And may I ask why you don't just take your own advice and type "Yes" and stop posting?

Is it because this is a topic of interest to you and you wish to engage in discussion about it? Is it because you wish to further represent, explain, illustrate, and clarify your opinion? Of course...and so do the atheists. Debate all you want...go your hardest, mock atheism mercilessly if you want to, that's allowed...but why try to silence the opinions of others by instructing them to reduce their post to one word? If you are of the opinion that...
this same old debate continues so pointlessly
...then by all means bow out...but I don't believe your suggestions that others should bow out are valid.


It is your choice to not believe in a god or God, but it is not your right to try to inflict your own lack of understanding on others.
Actually, on a forum, I believe we are all entitled to inflict on the world whatever crazy opinion we care to hold ...as long as it's an opinion about the topic and not about other posters. This wording...
those who DO understand and possess the cognitive requirements that you lack.
... is clearly casting aspersions against a particular poster's intelligence as if you have exclusive ownership of truth rather than countering the notion of atheism.


there is no need to have a reason not to believe in anything.

That whole paragraph about snow in Perth seems to lead to your ultimate preferred conclusion... that non-believers should just post "nuh" and bugger off, while the believers should fill the thread with uninterupted sermons because you think belief is more interesting than non-belief. The weather in Perth was just a snow screen.

I personally don't find belief in god to be a more interesting or more considered conclusion than non-belief in god. In my own experience, the non-believers I meet often seem to be those who have explored and investigated and applied a lot of thought to both viewpoints before reaching their own conclusion...which is a very proactive way to approach it, and their stories are often interesting to read/hear. In contrast, I've met an awful lot of believers who just fell into it reactively, and went with the flow, or who do it for social reasons, or because it seemed easier, or so as not to disappoint their Mum, or who are hedging their bets just in case, etc....which, I've gotta say, is not particularly riveting stuff.

To my way of thinking, your comment that there is no need to have a reason not to believe in anything, would be far more accurately expressed as " for many people there is no need to have a reason to believe in something".


The first step that you must take from here is to lose your SMD (Scientific Mind Disorder).

So is religion a cure for a scientific mind? If so, that strikes me as being a clear cut case of the cure being far worse than the disease.
 smoranean
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Posted: 12/1/2008 2:42:54 PM

Science doesn't blind - it is our entire field of vision. To the same degree, religion is our denial.


Rather a contradictory statement that. Your entire field of vision is your limitation that would prevent you understanding the reasons why God must remain non-falsifiable and thus beyond the reach of scientists.

To the other respondent who questioned why I didn't just reply YES to the thread question, please refer to post #329 on p. 14 before mis-revising past history:



1. Yes.

2. No.

3. Because I like the weather in Heaven.


Since then, I've continued reading this thread and rather than just answering the OPs question without malice, so many of these arrogant athiests see this as an opportunity to go evangelistically postal on the other respondents, so that's why I try to do my best to explain to them how mistaken they are.

If the athiests would just stfu and answer as requested, rather than getting all high and mighty about what they claim not to understand to begin with, then that would be sweet, but trying to aggravate more learned people with such twaddle is going to bring about responses mainly in the interests of consoling those who maybe offended. As we all learned in science classes, for every action there is a reaction.

Argue all you like about how you don't see the truth ergo you don't believe it, because it's actually quite a laugh to have a rant about it, but don't ask for proof of God because that is an extremely Satanic thing to do.

If you don't believe in God, that's fine. If you do believe in God, that's fine with sugar on top.

I'm not interested in trying to tell you why you should believe in God, just as you should NOT be concerned with trying to tell others that they shouldn't. Just say YES or NO as the title of the thread even mentioned the simple adjective. Still, that's less entertaining so go ahead and blaspheme away for it keeps the rest of us from getting bored. Just don't ask for PROOF. It's a very bad and stupid thing to do.

 still dreaming59
Joined: 9/24/2008
Msg: 295
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Posted: 12/1/2008 5:28:50 PM
I do respect other peoples rights to believe in ANYTHING !!!
Do i believe in god...No
Would i believe in god if I had unmitigated proof...Yes



I'm not interested in trying to tell you why you should believe in God, just as you should NOT be concerned with trying to tell others that they shouldn't. Just say YES or NO as the title of the thread even mentioned the simple adjective. Still, that's less entertaining so go ahead and blaspheme away for it keeps the rest of us from getting bored. Just don't ask for PROOF. It's a very bad and stupid thing to do.


I am not here calling you Bad or Stupid for what i see as unproven faith.
But i would hope for the same respect in return.!
 lyingcheat
Joined: 10/1/2008
Msg: 296
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Posted: 12/1/2008 8:43:58 PM
Rather than quote sections of your argument, and then demolish them... because I've already done that a couple of times.
I've just paraphrased your entire post. This isn't done to mock you in any way, though that seems somewhat unavoidable, but rather to illustrate how adept you are at digging holes and then falling into them.
Take note, I've only reversed a couple of phrases (for consistency) and substituted maybe 10 or 15 words to achieve a complete reversal of your argument.

Since then, I've continued reading this thread and rather than just answering the OPs question without malice, one of these arrogantly condescending christians sees this as an opportunity to go evangelistically postal on the other respondents, so that's why I try to do my best to explain to him how mistaken he is.

If the christian would just stfu and answer as the OP suggested, rather than getting all high and mighty about what he falsely claims to understand, then that would be sweet, but trying to aggravate more learned people with such twaddle is going to bring about responses mainly in the interests of amusing those who may have a sense of humour. As we all learned in science classes, for every action there is a reaction.

Argue all you like about how you can't see the truth, ergo you don't believe it, because it's actually quite a laugh to have a rant about it, but don't suggest there's any proof of anything called God or Satan because that is an extremely naive thing to do.

If you don't believe in God, that's fine. If you do believe in God, that's fine with fairy dust on top.

I'm not interested in trying to tell you why you should'nt believe in God, just as you should NOT be concerned with trying to tell others that they should. Just say YES or NO as the title of the thread even mentioned the simple adjective. Still, that's less entertaining so go ahead and crusade away for it keeps the rest of us from getting bored. Just don't suggest there's any PROOF. It's a very bad and stupid thing to do.


Do you see the holes?

Best stick to just reading the bible hey? Because you aren't very good at spouting it.
 Hawaiianluau
Joined: 11/13/2008
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Posted: 12/1/2008 11:54:05 PM

Would i believe in god if I had unmitigated proof...

Caves beach has risen from the dead.
What more do you need ?
 smoranean
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Posted: 12/2/2008 1:40:54 AM

Rather than quote sections of your argument, and then demolish them... because I've already done that a couple of times.
I've just paraphrased your entire post. This isn't done to mock you in any way, though that seems somewhat unavoidable, but rather to illustrate how adept you are at digging holes and then falling into them.
Take note, I've only reversed a couple of phrases (for consistency) and substituted maybe 10 or 15 words to achieve a complete reversal of your argument.

Since then, I've continued reading this thread and rather than just answering the OPs question without malice, one of these arrogantly condescending christians sees this as an opportunity to go evangelistically postal on the other respondents, so that's why I try to do my best to explain to him how mistaken he is.

If the christian would just stfu and answer as the OP suggested, rather than getting all high and mighty about what he falsely claims to understand, then that would be sweet, but trying to aggravate more learned people with such twaddle is going to bring about responses mainly in the interests of amusing those who may have a sense of humour. As we all learned in science classes, for every action there is a reaction.


I understand what you are waffling on about, but technically some less forunate types might call it libel or somesuch.

I'd go on to read further, but I've had these same conversations so many times by now that I can't really be bothered. Good luck with your salvation, Brother Whatever.

 Naamah
Joined: 11/1/2008
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Posted: 12/2/2008 1:48:47 AM

Caves beach has risen from the dead.
What more do you need ?
Hmmm. Now I'll have to retract everything I've said about not having seen god. Good to see you back Caves.




so many of these arrogant athiests see this as an opportunity to go evangelistically postal on the other respondents, so that's why I try to do my best to explain to them how mistaken they are.

I understand that to you your arguments seem convincing. To atheists, your arguments appear as convincing and credible as someone trying to convince other people that they know for a fact that a purple duck who lives in their street is doing so well on the stockmarket that she recently purchased a Bentley. ...So many holes in the story it's hard to know where to start.




Just say YES or NO as the title of the thread even mentioned the simple adjective.
The site doesn't allow messages that short to be posted. And it would be a really boring thread if every post was yes, no, the end. And people generally like to explain their yes/no answer on such a complex topic, which is kinda the point of a dicsussion forum. In fact, we discussed this very issue back on the first few pages of the thread...as to why it couldn't possibly be that simple. Perhaps read those early pages before
mis-revising past history
.




Just don't ask for PROOF. It's a very bad and stupid thing to do.

This statement, for me, sums up what I find so sad, and so scary, about religion and its followers. Don't ask, just follow. Don't think, let us do it for you. In fact, let's call it 'bad' to think for yourself so there is less chance of you noticing that we've just sold you the most unlikely truth ever (not counting the storyline of the movie, Pretty Woman).

My shearer is actually a church minister, and shearing time is his once a year shot at trying to convert me and save my immortal soul. I only have a flock of three, so he doesn’t get much sermon time. The thing that stuns me about our annual conversion attempt is his amazing determination to believe or dismiss certain things simply based on what suits his preferred reality.

One year he told me that it was only the non-christian religions that have been responsible for any wars in more recent times. Apparently he’d blocked all thought of Ireland from his mind because it somehow didn’t fit with what he prefers to believe about christianity. One year he told me that more and more people were turning to religion, despite the census clearly showing otherwise. This year he told me Richard Dawkins didn’t know what he was talking about, but then admitted to not having read any of his books. And overall, these sort of examples typify what has been my personal experience with those who believe in god/a religion…that they hold a belief that they often cannot pinpoint the origins of, and then look only to justify it, whilst putting their fingers in their ears and saying lalalala to anything remotely resembling facts to the contrary, or independent thought. On the other hand, non-believers I have met throughout my life have predominantly been folk who were initially open to either viewpoint, gathered knowledge of both sides, and went with what they saw as the more credible evidence.

I think most non-believers would still be happy to be proved wrong. But proved wrong...not browbeaten into simply not thinking anymore. Personally I don’t think the same can be said of those who believe in god.
 onthegrapevine
Joined: 10/27/2008
Msg: 300
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/2/2008 2:19:47 AM
Simple answer for me.....Of course i do....
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