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 still dreaming59
Joined: 9/24/2008
Msg: 301
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Well I'm going with the purple duck and the Bentley, you may laugh now and think I'm Quakers, but it could be Rene Rivkin reincarnated.
On a serious note believers and non believers...Peace !
 smoranean
Joined: 11/18/2008
Msg: 302
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simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/2/2008 2:52:28 AM

Don't ask, just follow. Don't think, let us do it for you.


That seems to be atheism's greatest threat, but there'll be another thalydamide before long, so there's no need to cast the pearls into the pig-pen just yet.

I hope this might help you further your progress if I also remind you that I have refrained from presenting my argument throughout this simple thread, but you and your cohorts seem to be quite well-occupied rumaging through what you have been given already, so what point would there be in such endevours? Mirth? HA!

It's okay if you still don't get it. None of us understood at birth, so don't give up hope and you'll make it there before you know it.

 Naamah
Joined: 11/1/2008
Msg: 303
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/2/2008 3:38:18 AM

Well I'm going with the purple duck and the Bentley.
Ahh... a new convert. Please immediately indoctrinate your children and put money in the donation tin. I've come up with a plan based on other successful businesses that sell a god to the people, and I figure we can be global within a few years. Have faith brother.




Don't ask, just follow. Don't think, let us do it for you.

That seems to be atheism's greatest threat

I honestly think that being told not to think is a threat to all humanity, not just atheists. As we evolved, so did our brain, and deciding not to use it to question and seek information (as per your earlier suggestion) is always going to be a backwards step.


so that's why I try to do my best to explain to them how mistaken they are
later contradicted by
I have refrained from presenting my argument throughout this simple thread

Straight from the horse's mouth, as they say, and I totally agree. You haven't presented anything that might constitute any sort of argument.



so don't give up hope and you'll make it there before you know it

Cheers for that. Maybe I could get more sheep...give the minister/shearer more attempted conversion time with me every year...so he can tell me about his god. But with the evidence available I reckon there's more chance of me getting him to see the light.
 julianx
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 304
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/2/2008 4:02:53 AM
Do I believe in god?…no
I do believe in a form of collective consciousness, something that gives us an affinity with one another.
I also believe in my self , my ego, my spirit and my Id.

I believe that god is an externalization of ones own spirit, for those who have trouble believing in something that isn’t tangible, or describable, like spirit or inner strength. It’s easier to believe in something that you can see, so they externalize it and then attempt to give it form by creating rules for it, and symbols and images to represent it…like the old guy with the beard or that statue with an elephant’s head and all the arms. So I believe that those that believe actually have more trouble believing than those of us that don’t believe.

I believe in heaven…though not as a place we go after death (we go where ever we're put when we're dead), but as a state of mind, that we create ourselves.
I believe in hell too, in much the same way.

I believe in nirvana as well, it’s a state of euphoria that can be reached through meditation or chanting…there’s quite a similarity between Hare Krishna chants and the trance music played at raves, both help clear your mind of intellectual thought and release extra endorphins… but if your lazy, just drop an ‘E’

And I believe what I believe in
Yes I believe in
I believe in
I believe in the web of fate
And I believe that some are gonna hate
What I believe in
So I'll be leavin'

(Steve Diggle)
 Naamah
Joined: 11/1/2008
Msg: 305
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Posted: 12/2/2008 4:47:09 AM

I believe that god is an externalization of ones own spirit, for those who have trouble believing in something that isn’t tangible, or describable, like spirit or inner strength. It’s easier to believe in something that you can see, so they externalize it and then attempt to give it form by creating rules for it, and symbols and images to represent it…like the old guy with the beard or that statue with an elephant’s head and all the arms. So I believe that those that believe actually have more trouble believing than those of us that don’t believe.

Wow. That explanation perfectly captures the essence of things for me. So well said, Julianx.
 Faux Pa
Joined: 12/20/2007
Msg: 306
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/2/2008 7:01:47 AM

And I ask why? Why do you believe in a deity? Why do you believe in a heaven and a hell? What evidence have you ever had to their existence that you have seen with your own eyes? And how was it so infallible that you Christianity was proven to you and not any of the other four thousand, two hundred creeds?

Actually, I'd take it a bit further.
If this deity, heaven and hell did actually exist and were perfectly visible and provable, would mankind put up with all the wars, intolerance, injustice, discrimination and general divisiveness this notion has supported over the centuries. Hmmm . . I tend to think we might elect a new God!


If the athiests would just stfu and answer as requested, rather than getting all high and mighty about what they claim not to understand to begin with, then that would be sweet, but trying to aggravate more learned people with such twaddle is going to bring about responses mainly in the interests of consoling those who maybe offended. As we all learned in science classes, for every action there is a reaction

Lordy, lordy . . what a cute troll . . well written, but a troll none the less.

simple question - do you believe in a god?

Nope, it isn't all that simple.
For athiests like me it has to be established that God actually exists first . . of course!
A believer doesn't seem to need that intermediate step . . they simply believe.
So, for an apparent simple question, we are already heading down two different paths.

What about this . . .
For athiests that need (require) a tangible God, we could discuss the merits of bacon & eggs as we might god and religion. They both taste good on their own, but together, there's a synergy that can't be ignored . . the euphoria and the whole experience, if you like.
Alternatively, for the believers, we could discuss the merits of love & understanding. While they are again different things, the combination might also be described as euphoric.

So the problem for both athiests and believers when taking up the question posed is that we tend to try and compare bacon with love . . or compare eggs and understanding.
Someone . . please put the kettle on. This might take a while.

But on another note for the 'believers', and given that the vast majority either say nothing except to provide the simple requested answer, or go on ad-infinitum while, in my opinion, still saying nothing . . may I point to a couple of posts by Shell225 on page 13, Msg. #320 and 322 . . particularly 322.
While I'm still a rabid unwashed heathen, there's some very good words surrounding spirituality and particularly the 'egoic self'.
I was then going to say something like . . "Onya Shell . . the quiet achiever" but I suspect even she wouldn't go along with the 'quiet' bit.


OK . . time for a story . . a true one.
I was up in Brisbane last year for my sister-in-laws funeral. Yes, a sad occasion of course as she was not old and doddery and had endured plenty of ongoing illness throughout her shortish life. Anyway, after the funeral we returned to my brothers house for the obligatory refreshments etc . . as ya do. She (the sister-in-law) was a religious Catholic gal and the priest who presided over the funeral was their usual family priest. He's actually one of those that takes a serious interest in the real life involvement with his parishioners and had spent many hours at her bedside during her final weeks in hospital. I'd met him before at various weddings of their kids etc. and always considered him an all round good guy.
Anyway, we were standing outside, beer in hand, chatting about stuff in general and bear in mind that's always a bit difficult for me, 'cos we have so little in common. The conversation centred on the sister-in-law, naturally, and he said to me in a somewhat perplexed and serious tone . . and I'll have to paraphrase, here . .
"You know, over all these years I've performed many services . . I like the marriages best because it's a joyous occasion and everyone is happy, but I'm never comfortable with these funerals . . I stand at the grave site and watch the coffin being lowered into the grave as I say the right words. I look into that hole in the ground and often wonder if there really is anything on the other side."

I'm not looking to strike some poignant example one way or the other with this story, but with those words, this guy floored me and I felt that if anything, we had even less in common than I first thought. Strange.

P.S. Heya Caves . . good to see you back.
 SomethingforKate
Joined: 9/10/2008
Msg: 307
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/2/2008 3:43:13 PM
I believe in God when I am in trouble. Typical Catholic.
 GreyNomad43
Joined: 11/19/2007
Msg: 308
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/2/2008 4:59:19 PM
Yes I believe there's someone called God.
Every time I end up In bed with a Female,
his name gets called out sometime through
the night. Oh God!....Oh my God!...Oh Oh Oh GOD!
calls along those lines. So he must be true.
< He made me do It.
 deepsea66
Joined: 5/11/2008
Msg: 309
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simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/2/2008 11:27:57 PM
Yes, but I don't believe in man made religions.

Cheers, deepy
 Spinswimmer
Joined: 11/18/2008
Msg: 310
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/5/2008 4:12:35 AM
So many things can't be seen...can't see truth, can't see air, can't see brain waves, can't see motives etc etc yet all these things exist. It is difficult to understand why everything happens the way it does. Generally the question we ask is 'Why?'
Maybe the question we should be asking is 'Why not?' We say that so and so is a good person and doesn't deserve to be suffering whatever. It doesn't seem to matter. Look at Jesus. He was as good as we get...he could forgive the people who were crucifying him and yet there he was being crucified. Maybe we need to learn not to take the difficult things personally. We all suffer...but we all love and laugh and are glad to be alive at least some of the time. Life is always potentially worthwhile...that's why we value it.
 Hawaiianluau
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 311
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/5/2008 10:35:12 AM

We say that so and so is a good person and doesn't deserve to be suffering whatever.

Could be a blessing.
Could be He doesn't want you to get too comfortable in this life.
 Matt34Fair
Joined: 11/27/2008
Msg: 312
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/30/2008 10:45:10 PM
I have always felt believing in God is more about a question of us believing whether or not there is moral reason for us being here. I do believe in Christian morals before anything. i always wondered in my life what makes the most sense to me more than anything. The answer I came to was how Jesus gave up potential power to be mortal. That to me is the greatest inspiration I have ever known. I can understand a God showing us the morality of that.
 SAIUN
Joined: 5/23/2007
Msg: 313
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/31/2008 12:19:08 AM
Funny that people say that the universe "can't be an accident" with such conviction. I'd like to know what makes people so sure that they somehow KNOW that there MUST be a divine creator.

You could flip a coin and get it to land on heads 5 times in a row. According to the mathematical probability, that shouldn't have happened. Does that mean God manipulated the results of your coin flips? Or simply that an event, whilst unlikely, happened to transpire?

This leads us towards discussion of the Anthropic Principle, which I fear is beyond the cognitive grasp of people who ask questions like "Who created the Big Bang?"
 Hawaiianluau
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 314
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/31/2008 2:36:39 AM
Personaly It extends far beyond the flip o' the coin.
To me and to me it reveals truth.
Tell me if you asked for something to happen and -------------it did.
Would you try asgain ?
And then for some unexplained reason you asked for something one more time and you got it. What would you think ?
And then as you grew older and learned how to really ask for something that was really out of the realm and then you got it ..... would you really just discount it as coincedence ?
What would you think if you got everything that you ever asked for ?
 Hawaiianluau
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 315
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/31/2008 1:42:44 PM
Actually you are right. I spend way too much time here and thank you for reminding me, not for dates as my profile would surely allude too.
I'm planning on using the internet to make my income this coming year and can't be spending this much time on here.
I do enjoy it though. Especially the Aussie forums.

There is one prayer that wasn't answered this year when my friend from Nowra NSW died of leukemia.
RIP Debbie.

Lastly I'm not and never have deemed myself any sort of preacher.
But it works for me.
 daffie
Joined: 8/1/2007
Msg: 316
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/31/2008 2:10:18 PM
fear and guilt.....

without these two emotions any religion would cease to exist.

religion is emotional blackmail!
 Hawaiianluau
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 317
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Posted: 12/31/2008 5:29:22 PM
No I'm not going crazy.
Msgs 403 and 404 were deleted and that's what I was answering too.
 bamkanoosh
Joined: 12/28/2008
Msg: 318
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 12/31/2008 7:25:12 PM
Absolutely I believe in a higher power,,However I am NOT religious and I cant blame god for what people of organised religion's have come up with, a fear based set of principles and moral codes.
I dont want to recieve any backlash for my personal belief's as I dont go into churches shouting them, nor do I door knock, preaching them, nor do I need to follow a set rules or moral conduct, other than my own,,my higher power is loving and I TRY to practise this .
I take snipets from buddism but cannot and would not claim to be a budhist,,
Spiritual people inspire me,,
Religious people frighten me...
 ghostgum
Joined: 12/7/2008
Msg: 319
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Posted: 1/1/2009 2:34:59 AM
Simple answer.....sure i believe and have faith in god.....
 ghostgum
Joined: 12/7/2008
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Posted: 1/1/2009 2:35:14 AM
Simple answer.....sure i believe and have faith in god.....
 Naamah
Joined: 11/1/2008
Msg: 321
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 1/1/2009 3:28:23 AM
Just normal people that are about to die turn spiritual quiet often. Why?
Because the question "Is there a God or not?" becomes all of a sudden very simple, it boils down to: "Would you like some Hope or not?"

I would still see that as false hope. I guess when people panic they are prone to thinking and behaving irrationally. You'd never deny a dying person their right to panic, and hope, but it's still... what it is. Hoping won't make it true.


fear and guilt.....
without these two emotions any religion would cease to exist.
religion is emotional blackmail!

That is so well said.
 dimeadozen
Joined: 1/26/2008
Msg: 322
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 1/1/2009 5:09:40 PM

religion is emotional blackmail!

This is a pretty old staple line but actually doesn't have much basis in real life. None of the people that go to my church turn up every week because they feel guilty or afraid that something will happen if they dont. They go to learn more about God and what he expects of us, to pray, and to catch up with like-minded people. Like any support group, it's encouraging and people look forward to it because its a positive and uplifting experience, putting life into perspective.


fear and guilt.....

without these two emotions any religion would cease to exist.


Its true that anyone is able to come to Jesus to be forgiven. And feeling bad about things that have happened in your life is a terrible thing to live with. It's really bad for your health to start with. The bible says that Fear (awe, respect) of God is the beginning of wisdom.
 Kissthisfrog !
Joined: 1/21/2007
Msg: 323
simple question - do you believe in a god?
Posted: 1/1/2009 7:13:21 PM
People should hold onto their power to forgive themselves and others ...., a third party is not needed.

MY free choice is..., I don't believe in a god..., I need believable, tangible, authentic evidence.

'Carrot dangling' or especially 'carrot and stick' religions don't do it for me.
 greyingred
Joined: 6/12/2008
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Posted: 1/2/2009 4:44:03 AM
eventually just as we finally discovered that epilepsy was not the devil possessing your body we will also discover the causes and reasons for premonitions, synchronicities, miracles etc and the almost universal need for some sort of diety, even if it is chocolate...lol Naahmasomething or other, I'm with you on that one.

I come from irish witching stock heavily steeped ironically within the auspices of english catholicism. But no one told me about it until my teens, too late for a six yr old who thought she had killed her grandmother and later grandfather because she had dreamt it. It has been an interesting experience seeing/dreaming things that have saved lives, brought people together and sometimes even helped myself and also being inculcated via christianity to view what is involuntary as the work of the devil.

I do not believe in a sentient God. I do believe that science will eventually explain these things that we view as miracles/whatever but it still does not explain why I have seen and known about things before I was old enough to understand and despite my best efforts why it still happens.....and yes just once if I had got off my arse I had the right lotto numbers....wrote it down for proof the night before...but I don't gamble.

New Years Resolution.......Follow my dreams and GAMBLE PMSL.
 tazza_
Joined: 10/8/2008
Msg: 325
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Posted: 1/2/2009 9:02:37 PM
I'm not a believer either.

Show me proof any i *may* change my mind.
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