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 great_kahuna
Joined: 5/23/2007
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bystarlight on 8/1/2007 1024 PM
Absolutely, 100% prefer a circumcised man, without question, nor hesitation.


So really, growing up in America, is being un-cut abnormal?

I would say that "cut" is the norm from my experience.

This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever read on any topic in any forum. You obviously did not read any posts here.
 hherefortheforums
Joined: 7/3/2007
Msg: 107
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Posted: 8/2/2007 5:17:09 AM
Well my X was circumcised in his teens due to repeated infections . My son was born and I really did not want to have to have him go threw it and wanted him to stay natural. Since all of my kids were born at home with a midwife most of my friends who had boys also left them in their natural state. I believe it leaves the head of the penis more sensitive so when it is possible not to circumcise that is best. I would never feel a penis is less attractive either way. If I care deeply for the man I am with I will love all of him so it would never be an issue.
 Oliver_Seeking
Joined: 8/26/2006
Msg: 108
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Posted: 8/2/2007 2:47:15 PM
Only Jews, Muslims and Americans perform this senseless ritual on a routine basis, mostly for religious reasons.

Back in the 50's, something like 80% of Americans were circumcised at birth, but now it's down to 60%, partly because insurance often doesn't cover the procedure, but also because its merits have become questionable.

The American Academy of Pediatrics stated back in 1971: "there is no absolute medical indication for newborn circumcision," and again in 1999: "circumcision is not essential to a child's well-being at birth," and any potential benefits were not compelling enough to warrant continuation. Even the AMA said it was "non-therapeutic".
The AAP estimated that each year, "1.2 million newborn males are circumcised in the United States annually at a cost of between $150 and $270 million." That estimate does not include fees for supplies, hospital and nursing fees or expenses for follow-up care of circumcisions that result in complication. All tolled, circumcision is a multi-billion dollar-a-year industry. Those who promote circumcision have great financial incentive for the practice to continue.

Take a look at this web site: http://www.enotalone.com/article/3513.html

It indicates that the foreskin had previously been considered 'vestigial' (or useless) rather like the appendix, because they couldn't figure out its purpose, but they have now 'discovered' that it has benefits from the hygiene and pleasurable sexuality standpoint.

I can confirm that this is true, or our maker would not have endowed us with it.

Read the article.....it will enlighten you, I hope !

I see absolutely NO purpose in torturing our babies as they enter this world.

 Oliver_Seeking
Joined: 8/26/2006
Msg: 109
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Posted: 8/2/2007 4:18:57 PM
Good comments Willow55......

Cleanliness really is the issue......having been raised in England, plus spending many years in Houston, I can't say the weather had any impact, but your use of the word 'turtleneck' made me chuckle......never heard that term before
 no_1_bby
Joined: 5/3/2006
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Posted: 8/2/2007 9:08:28 PM
Steve.. I have used it before.. lol.. along with *mock turtleneck* and *crew neck* to explain the differences. My first son was done (paid out of pocket for it) surgically and he never made a peep. Was returned to me, nursed, fell asleep, no complications. My second son was also done (covered) using the Plastibel method... and OMFG I would NEVER, EVER, not in a million years do it that way again. Surgical or not at all, imo.. and I'm really leaning towards the not at all.

If you're squeamish, don't read this...

Basically what they do, in this supposedly more *humane* method, is to force the foreskin off the head of the penis, slide this plastic *bell* over the head, pull the foreskin back up, and ligate it (that means tie it off with string, just in case you needed the explanation). What this does is cut off the blood flow to the portion of the foreskin above the ligation, and eventually it dies and falls off. Supposed to take 5-8 days. My son's stayed on for 16 days, and I wanted to cry with every diaper change due to his screaming. SIXTEEN DAYS. Tell me please how this is more *humane*??? This is very similar to how bulls and hogs are/used to be castrated.

This left him a little longer (less foreskin removed), hence my *mock turtleneck* comment.
 fit_man4U
Joined: 4/13/2005
Msg: 111
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Posted: 8/2/2007 9:47:16 PM
wow...i can't believe the misinformation or just sheer ignorance regarding this...there is no sound medical reason for circumcision...think about it...its the same as circumcising a clitoris...WHY?...this started as a religious ritual and somehow got twisted into becoming a "necessary" medical procedure...as for cleanliness...are you kidding?...you simply retract the forskin and PRESTO ...the forskin is gone!!...as for me i'm glad i'm not circumcised...its makes it MUCH more sensitive and stimulating when having sex...
 Erin_Y
Joined: 6/23/2007
Msg: 112
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Posted: 8/2/2007 9:48:49 PM
I work at an assisted living and there can be major problems with uncut if they don’t take care of it. I have seen more then one grown man get tire eyed will caring for his. If cared for there should be no problem.
 lwr_sackville_man
Joined: 7/8/2007
Msg: 113
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Posted: 8/4/2007 3:13:36 AM

no_1_bby: I say.. if you aren't cut, aren't experiencing any medical issues, then leave well enough alone!!

Yeah, well, that's a valid opinion. There are however, other reasons someone might want it done as well; and that's cosmetic. People get nose jobs, tummy tucks, etc all for vanity's sake. Some people just like the look of the circumcised penis and therefore may choose the option strictly based on that.


italianstallian: there is no sound medical reason for circumcision...think about it...its the same as circumcising a clitoris

Ummm... I think a lot of women would disagree with that comparison. I'm uncircumcised and can tell you I don't think it would be a great loss to have the procedure. Most women, however, would tell you that they'd certainly miss their clitoris. BOY, WOULD THEY MISS IT! I think the clitoris is just a little more useful.

I can't say I've ever been stimulated in the least by someone rubbing my foreskin.
 no_1_bby
Joined: 5/3/2006
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Posted: 8/4/2007 5:34:12 AM

lwrsackvilleman: Yeah, well, that's a valid opinion. There are however, other reasons someone might want it done as well; and that's cosmetic. People get nose jobs, tummy tucks, etc all for vanity's sake. Some people just like the look of the circumcised penis and therefore may choose the option strictly based on that.


Cosmetics are a completely different subject, imo. Thing about having it done for cosmetic reasons... why? Because you've been made to feel that having it uncut is wrong, ugly, abnormal? Absolutely you are entitled to surgically alter any part of your anatomy that you feel you need to... what if you do it for cosmetic reasons, and then end up with a botched job? Happens with noses and boobs and many other cosmetic surgeries all the time. What if you do it and then HATE the results, even if it turns out perfectly?? It's much more difficult to put it back AFTER it's been removed.

And again, the removal of a clitoris is completely different from the removal of a foreskin. If you want to compare apples to apples, then you should discuss removing the hood, not the clitoris itself.
 fit_man4U
Joined: 4/13/2005
Msg: 115
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Posted: 8/4/2007 9:18:49 PM
lwrsackvilleman...when i said circumcising a clitoris i didn't mean removing it...in some cultures it is still a practice (although i don't know how common it is anymore) to remove the hood covering the clitoris...in essance the same as removing a foreskin on a penis.
 audio123
Joined: 8/1/2007
Msg: 116
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Posted: 8/5/2007 12:37:38 AM
well i am not circumsized and i dont have any one say ewwww gross! im clean and i keep it clean! it is a part of me and i like it just the way it is lol. yeah and ughhh a circumsized penis has to be washed to
 sebberry
Joined: 3/3/2007
Msg: 117
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Posted: 8/5/2007 1:29:42 AM

yeah and ughhh a circumsized penis has to be washed to


haha, the cut crowd like to promote the cleanliness when in fact it requires just as much maintenance as the un-cuts...
 audio123
Joined: 8/1/2007
Msg: 118
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Posted: 8/5/2007 1:40:29 AM

haha, the cut crowd like to promote the cleanliness when in fact it requires just as much maintenance as the un-cuts...


lol exactly
 lwr_sackville_man
Joined: 7/8/2007
Msg: 119
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Posted: 8/5/2007 4:25:30 AM

Thing about having it done for cosmetic reasons... why? Because you've been made to feel that having it uncut is wrong, ugly, abnormal?

Well, I don't recall saying that. I just happen to prefer the look of a cut penis. Plain and simple. Uncut certainly doesn't look wrong, ugly or abnormal to me. I think we may have to just 'agree to disagree' on this one.

Absolutely you are entitled to surgically alter any part of your anatomy that you feel you need to... what if you do it for cosmetic reasons, and then end up with a botched job? Happens with noses and boobs and many other cosmetic surgeries all the time. What if you do it and then HATE the results, even if it turns out perfectly?? It's much more difficult to put it back AFTER it's been removed.

Life's so full of 'what ifs'. We could list a million 'what if' situations if we really wanted to. What if the job went perfectly (as the odds would suggest)? What if the removal of the foreskin increased my ability to stay erect longer than I would have before? What if I had it removed and found it made me look more desirable and LOVED the results and thus got a big boost in my self confidence? What if everyone didn't act because of the 'what if' questions? We'd all be forever at a standstill. As long as the decision is informed, then people will do whatever they feel is right for their own personal situation. Besides, if any of those things happened that you mentioned, then I'd just have to accept that fate and deal with it.


to remove the hood covering the clitoris...in essence the same as removing a foreskin on a penis.

Ahhh... now it makes more sense. Thanks for clearing that up for those of us who may be a little less ...ummmm... familiar with that.

There's a hood? Really? (I'm so embarrassed)
 no_1_bby
Joined: 5/3/2006
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Posted: 8/5/2007 8:17:42 AM

Well, I don't recall saying that. I just happen to prefer the look of a cut penis. Plain and simple. Uncut certainly doesn't look wrong, ugly or abnormal to me. I think we may have to just 'agree to disagree' on this one.


You mistake my question for disagreement. It's not. As I said, you are well within your rights to seek whatever body modification you so choose. My question was more along the lines of why would you seek it, why do you prefer cut over uncut? Are the males around you one way over the other is that why you prefer it? Has some woman at some point made a big deal about you not being cut? *sigh* We are highly influenced by the media... women are made to feel like crap if they don't look like a supermodel, men are made to feel like crap if their penis isn't X" big... whatever X is. Informed consent is absolutely necessary. If you want it done, then do it. I know of at least one guy friend who's had it done.. he was about 24/25 when he did it. He loves his outcome.

Anatomy 101 - The clitoris is similar to the head of a penis. All babies start out as one gender, and by wk 12 (or so) gender is determined and sorted, many of the initial tissues are then *instructed* what their final outcome will be. Testicles and ovaries, clitoris and penis.
 lwr_sackville_man
Joined: 7/8/2007
Msg: 121
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Posted: 8/5/2007 8:37:18 AM

My question was more along the lines of why would you seek it, why do you prefer cut over uncut? Are the males around you one way over the other is that why you prefer it? Has some woman at some point made a big deal about you not being cut? *sigh* We are highly influenced by the media... women are made to feel like crap if they don't look like a supermodel, men are made to feel like crap if their penis isn't X" big... whatever X is. Informed consent is absolutely necessary. If you want it done, then do it. I know of at least one guy friend who's had it done.. he was about 24/25 when he did it. He loves his outcome.

Ahhh... I see. Honestly, if there's some 'source' that's conditioned me to prefer the look of a cut penis, I'm not conscious of it. Perhaps it all goes back to when I was toilet training and my 'cut' dad went in there with me to 'go' at the same time for encouragement. Who knows?

Anatomy 101 - The clitoris is similar to the head of a penis. All babies start out as one gender, and by wk 12 (or so) gender is determined and sorted, many of the initial tissues are then *instructed* what their final outcome will be. Testicles and ovaries, clitoris and penis.

Having made my choice in life, I'm pretty sure I won't ever again be in a situation where I will want to investigate that personally. Still good to learn new things.
 catharsis1
Joined: 11/9/2005
Msg: 122
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Posted: 8/5/2007 12:06:50 PM
I agree that a lot of women will stick to what they know. But I've had the experience that often times, I'm erect before they get my pants off, and so they tend to not even notice. I've never had any complaints, and I've had a few partners that actually enjoyed it quite a bit. I don't know about Europe, but I've heard that in the US, about 10% of men are uncircumcised. This number is growing, as people realize that there is no reason to subject your children to that. But again, it's all in what you prefer, I suppose.
 Mick4astart
Joined: 8/14/2006
Msg: 123
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Posted: 8/5/2007 12:25:07 PM
OP; here is another angle that I don't think has received enough attention in the thread ....

The good Lord must have had a valid reason, way back at the "design-a-penis" stage, to consciously specify that they include a foreskin in the final version - maybe the answer is that it was to make intercourse easier and more enjoyable for the women?

There is now a book on the whole subject - sexasnatureintendedit dot com will provide a whole new arguement on this sensitive subject. Makes sense to me .... spoken from an admittedly bias intact position!

I just want what is best for my ladies .....

 Wullis
Joined: 7/2/2006
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Posted: 8/5/2007 6:27:22 PM
You're right about the pain ......the last time I had to have it done I was 4 .........and I remember it VIVIDLY...........And then to top it off I was outside recovery wimpering and a candystripper picked me up and ripped the stitches. I don't remember alot from the age of 4 but the "agony of de pee" is one
 copper86
Joined: 7/21/2007
Msg: 127
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Posted: 8/6/2007 2:30:36 PM
never been with an uncut guy so i have no opinion, i think i'd want my kids cut just because i think even if i had been with an uncut guy i'd prefer the cut guys.. i dunno i'd rather them have nothing there and wish it was there than have it and be embarassed

but after that SVU episode where the kid was being cut and things went wrong i was a bit scared to screw up my kid's life
 shyblondee
Joined: 12/27/2006
Msg: 129
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Posted: 8/6/2007 2:51:33 PM
Do women really look at it like it is less attractive?

Absolutely, 100% prefer a circumcised man, without question, nor hesitation.


So really, growing up in America, is being un-cut abnormal?

I would say that "cut" is the norm from my experience.


I agree that in some parts of the country uncut continues to be the norm, but that is rapidly changing. As more men and women become educated about the topic the circumcision rate is dropping, thankfully.
 Bethlet
Joined: 4/22/2007
Msg: 130
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Posted: 8/6/2007 2:55:18 PM
I vote uncircumcised. Bar none. Hands down.
 no_1_bby
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Posted: 8/6/2007 5:59:02 PM
Depends on what you mean by *extra*...

Some women do have extra long/large labia and do have them surgically reduced to eliminate pain/discomfort.

Some women do have their labia reduced due to being made to feel inferior thanks to porn (movies, mags, etc).

Some women have extra breast tissue removed too...
 BDRT
Joined: 7/29/2007
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Posted: 8/6/2007 8:49:06 PM
My ex was uncut. Believe me, I prefer cut! But maybe it was just HIM. I don't know. He's the only uncut man I have been with.
 Krimiariver
Joined: 8/3/2007
Msg: 135
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Posted: 8/6/2007 9:05:59 PM
So much to-do about an unnecessary and voluntary medical procedure performed upon infant boys who had no choice in the matter. Without a clear medical need, very, very few adult men would ever choose to be cut. It is still commonly done in this country, but how, oh how do the over 80% of the world's males who are uncut ever get along? How do the hundreds of millions of women who are with these uncut men ever manage to get through life having to deal with something so horrible?
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