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 mahogany_rush
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 591
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Whats sad in this day and age is that some folks want to justify having sex with minors, and the if they can bleed they can breed comment is soooo friggen sad.

Back in the day when people were paying taxes to King George, it was legal, but nowadays
its wrong, thats why laws were amended .

Just because a minor can imitate a adult does doesn't mean they are adults, minors are not accountable for the actions, its up to adults to set them straight.

None of you so called open minded people can even justify why its ok to have sex with minors , except in your twisted mind

Get over yourself ......ITS WRONG.
 SnowKitteh
Joined: 12/27/2007
Msg: 592
Sex with minors
Posted: 1/4/2008 3:08:07 PM
I'm not saying it's riiight. I'm wondering why that comment has scandelized so many people who probably live in more populated areas than I do. I live on a stinking farm and I've heard the phrase before.
 Ignoble
Joined: 10/11/2007
Msg: 593
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Posted: 1/4/2008 3:12:45 PM
Snowkitten I cant tell you how nice it is to meet a female who so closely shares my point of it, that being the objective non-brainwashed one. Good for you. You're going places hun. That kind of thinking makes the world go 'round.
 scorpiomover
Joined: 4/19/2007
Msg: 594
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Posted: 1/4/2008 3:20:09 PM
What if we did have a law that said that no-one could date anyone over 5 years age difference? That would satisfy all the people who don't like this idea. Unfortunately, that would meant that a lot of people would have to get divorced and/or break up, and a lot of people would be in prison for breaking that law, like a 38-year-old woman and a 28-year-old man. Imagine a world where a 38-year-old woman cannot date a guy who is 32, even if she has never met anyone she ever loved. This is the one guy in her life who would be great for her, and for him, and they cannot be together. How is that freedom? How is that fair?
 mahogany_rush
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 595
Sex with minors
Posted: 1/4/2008 3:33:19 PM
Ummm scorpiomover, what are you talking about?? were not talking about adults here, were talking about someone who is a minor, lets say that slowly a M I N O R..

If one person was 20 and the other 30 years old, so be it, there both adults and can do what ever their hearts desire, but someone who is a MINOR generally are not accountable for the behavior.
 scorpiomover
Joined: 4/19/2007
Msg: 596
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Posted: 1/5/2008 9:54:14 AM
^^ mahogany_rush, let's be clear. Upon reading the forums, many people seem to think that it is OK for a 20 year old and a 30 year old to be together, but a 20 year old and a 35 year old would be sex with a minor.

I quite agree that the law MUST be respected. If the law in a country says that the age of consent is 18, then it is sex with a minor for a 17 year old to have sex with an 18 year old. It is also illegal for 2 17 year olds to have sex. If both partners are 18+, then it is legal. The age doesn't come into it.

The age of consent is when a person is considered accountable for their own behaviour, as far as sex goes. Before then, it's illegal for ANYONE to have sex with them. After then, it's completely legal for anyone who is also over the age of consent to have consensual sex with them, and they are accountable for their own behaviour.

But it appears that some people choose to make up their own laws in their own heads.
 mahogany_rush
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 597
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Posted: 1/5/2008 10:26:07 AM
Scorpio, well I think anyone who thinks a 20 year a minor needs to have their heads candled, a 20 year isn't a minor.

If a 20 year old decides to date a 35 year old, who are we to say anything( they are both adults), besides good luck to them they're going to need it.

A 35 year old decides to date a 17 year old or younger, needs to have his or her head candled, because something is obviously wrong with that adult to me thats creepy.

What I find disturbing is the folks on here justifying thats its ok because they ( the minors) can consent to having sex because the age of consent of what ever country that they live says its ok, to them I say READ THE FINE PRINT of those laws.
 Cynderella
Joined: 3/8/2007
Msg: 598
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Posted: 1/5/2008 10:44:40 AM
This is why raising your kids has become a harder job...
Teaching them to respect their bodies and cherish their childhood!
 SnowKitteh
Joined: 12/27/2007
Msg: 599
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Posted: 1/5/2008 10:54:38 AM
The age of consent is when a person is considered accountable for their own behaviour, as far as sex goes. Before then, it's illegal for ANYONE to have sex with them. After then, it's completely legal for anyone who is also over the age of consent to have consensual sex with them, and they are accountable for their own behaviour




The age of emancipation, When you're held accountable for your own behavior and your parents are not, changes from state to state.
You can vote at 18 across the US.
But in MA You're parents are no longer held accountable for you at 18.
But you can consent to sex at 16... go figure?
 scorpiomover
Joined: 4/19/2007
Msg: 600
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Posted: 1/5/2008 11:57:46 AM
^^^ mahogany_rush, in the UK, the age of consent for heterosexual sex, and anal sex for both sexes is now 16.

I have a personal issue with all of this, because I've had a lot of options for NSA sex, and all sorts of hook-ups, ever since I was 8. But I believed that it would much better for the woman, and for me, if I waited for a relationship. The way I think about sex, is that it's between 2 people. What they do is no-one else's business, including their friends. Now I've discovered that there are women my age who are grandmothers, and with small kids of their own as well. It's incredibly hard finding women who have had a lot of partners who think like me, when it comes to sex, or children, because their experiences are just so different to mine.

To my mind, it would be not that different than a 21-year-old man who has slept with over 200 women and got kids by them, dating a 21-year-old woman with one previous long-term partner and no kids. You start talking about things, sex is just thrown in there, if you don't hook up right away, he wants to move on, but sex is just casual, and cheating is not that big of a deal, kids are more about providing food and clothing and not so much love, and commitment to relationships is not that important to such a man.

It's not that much different for me, when I meet women of my age.
 mahogany_rush
Joined: 7/18/2007
Msg: 601
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Posted: 1/5/2008 1:04:25 PM
ok there Scorpio, first thing I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about? and I don't see what that has to do with having sex with minors? WTF is NSA sex?

Are you trying to say its ok to have sex with a minor because they can consent to it? if thats your argument I suggest you hire a lawyer to go through the nuance of your laws.

To my mind, it would be not that different than a 21-year-old man who has slept with over 200 women and got kids by them, dating a 21-year-old woman with one previous long-term partner and no kids. You start talking about things, sex is just thrown in there, if you don't hook up right away, he wants to move on, but sex is just casual, and cheating is not that big of a deal, kids are more about providing food and clothing and not so much love, and commitment to relationships is not that important to such a man.
Im still lost on what youre trying to say here? but to use that example if a 21 year old sleeps with 200 women and there adults so what hopes he gets his bobo checked , but if any of the women were minors , yeah I say there is a major problem, he's a f ucking perv.
 hardclimber
Joined: 12/24/2007
Msg: 602
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Posted: 1/5/2008 3:30:59 PM
Was this reported to POF? Am I the only one that thinks of this guy as sick?
 slow_hand_001
Joined: 8/28/2006
Msg: 603
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Posted: 1/5/2008 3:39:33 PM
C'mon people, a 17 year old gal is not that young. If the guy can wait till she is legal then whats the problem. 25 and 17 are not that far apart. If Ashton can date Demi then Mc Hammer should be able to date Jamie Lynn Spears..........oooooops, she already has a bun in the oven.
 JWA
Joined: 5/21/2005
Msg: 604
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Posted: 1/5/2008 3:41:28 PM

Was this reported to POF? Am I the only one that thinks of this guy as sick?


LOL I'm thinking HardClimber has slipped a knot, dropped a caribiner or just come late to this party! If you'd read the first and opening posts here you'd see the headline here is hardly the hot topic is otherwise suggests. Try reading the OP first as that might give you a better understanding of the thread.

It's impossible that the Admin has NOT seen this thread since it was posted on 8/24/07 making it a full four months old by now. They might miss a few things but not for this long a period of time.
 hardclimber
Joined: 12/24/2007
Msg: 605
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Posted: 1/5/2008 5:57:52 PM
Just read the question on page one. The question was what do you think about a 17 year old having sex with someone who is 25. At 17 a individual is just moving beyond childhood. in fact in the world we live in most children have very few responsibilities, thus the question is how are they prepared to engage in a sexual relation safely? If I missed something else i concede I missed another issue. Again I am simply stating that the typical 17 year old is not ready to interact with a 25 year old on a sexual basis. The idea that someone would use a celeberity as an example of why it is a good idea might want to look to the numerous successful teen idol role models? If they can find more that two. And Donny and Marie are no longer teens.
 that sam i am
Joined: 10/27/2006
Msg: 606
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Posted: 1/5/2008 8:29:05 PM
Oh Hell, Nora Louise Kuzma had a lot of sex with a lot of people on screen. It only became an issue when they realised that she had faked her ID. Her name: Traci Lords. She was 16.
 scorpiomover
Joined: 4/19/2007
Msg: 607
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Posted: 1/5/2008 8:38:14 PM
To mahogany_rush:
Are you trying to say its ok to have sex with a minor because they can consent to it? if thats your argument I suggest you hire a lawyer to go through the nuance of your laws.
No. Because I am all for keeping the law. The law says that anyone in the UK under 16 may not have sex with ANYONE, and if anyone does, they could be charged with child abuse and/or rape.

I only want legal sex. Got it? LEGAL. ONLY LEGAL SEX. WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE LEGAL FOR ME TO HAVE SEX WITH.
 scorpiomover
Joined: 4/19/2007
Msg: 608
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Posted: 1/5/2008 8:46:07 PM
To JWA:
It's impossible that the Admin has NOT seen this thread since it was posted on 8/24/07 making it a full four months old by now. They might miss a few things but not for this long a period of time.
There is a reason that the Admin never deleted this thread, JWA. I posted on this thread on 8/30/2007, in msg 128, in which I pointed out that:
17 is the age of consent in the OP's country.
I got a heartfelt thank you from the OP for my post, by the way, so you can take it as a given. I think he lives in Ireland, if I remember right. Either way:

17 is the age of consent in the OP's country.
The Opening Post:
I recently read a post from a 25 year old man who has a crush on a minor, the girl in question is according to him is 17 years old. Personally I think this is unacceptable but some of the replies really shocked me. I have a 16 year old daughter and the thought of an adult male almost a decade older hitting on her troubles me as I feel at this age children are very venerable and should not be the target of 25 year old virgins (this claim was also made in the original post). Perhaps Im over protective so Id like to know what others think about what ages are acceptable for minors/17 year olds to have sex with adults from both male and females. If the genders were reversed would things be different? Whats you option on this?

The question raised was:If a 25-year-old man was interested in a 17-year-old girl, and it is completely legal for the two of them to have sex, would you see this as unacceptable?

Hope that clears it up for all of you. This thread is ONLY about legal sex.
 cummins5.924vtd01
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 609
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Posted: 1/5/2008 10:24:25 PM
yeah no kidding, that whole bleed & breed quote is the reason guys like me (daddys) own guns
 that sam i am
Joined: 10/27/2006
Msg: 610
This thread is ONLY about legal sex
Posted: 1/5/2008 10:35:14 PM

The question raised was:If a 25-year-old man was interested in a 17-year-old girl, and it is completely legal for the two of them to have sex, would you see this as unacceptable?

I see it is none of my business and none of yours.
 Kynnie
Joined: 4/8/2007
Msg: 611
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Posted: 1/6/2008 4:22:52 AM

The question raised was:If a 25-year-old man was interested in a 17-year-old girl, and it is completely legal for the two of them to have sex, would you see this as unacceptable?

I see it is none of my business and none of yours

Yeah well its a whole other story when some fully grown and supposedly mature male/female is lusting after your own children because they dont have the emotionally maturity & brain capacity to engage people in their own age bracket. And people do have opinions on it.
Children may not be the legally operative word here (depending where you come from)...the fact is that the "adult" is supposed to use their brains & ethics to just leave young ones the hell alone.

People can argue the semantics forever about whether or not its anyone's business or legal or whatever else. Ultimately its a question of whether its ethically right or not. And its not.

It may be legal to have sex with someone say 40 years of age who has the retarded mental capacity of 17 years old...but you just dont do it. Not real hard to figure out and dont pretend or justify its any different when its not a medically diagnosed disability. Youth...is youth because it just is.
Dont argue that theres any reason to be doing it just because they're legally classified under age of consent and dont have a mental impairment because they are still children.

My kids...well they get to the age of consent and a predator makes a move...they gotta get past my ex hubby first (who'd pull out the gun as joked in post # 612)...however Id just destroy your life...and I'll do it LEGALLY so you will have absolutely nothing to complain about or have an opinion on.

Bleed and breed? Thats the same brilliance attributed to men who say women who internet date & post pictures lazing scantily dressed over vehicles deserve to be raped.
 scorpiomover
Joined: 4/19/2007
Msg: 612
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Posted: 1/6/2008 10:03:46 AM
^^^ Kynnie, when was the last time you said all this to a 25-year-old woman who was dating a 17-year-old man, and told her that you would LEGALLY destroy her life, if she continued to date a man who was not her own age, and then LEGALLY destroyed her life because she continued to date such a man?

When was the last time you said all this to a 40-year-old woman who was dating an 18-year-old man, and told her that you would LEGALLY destroy her life, if she continued to date a man who was not her own age, and then LEGALLY destroyed her life because she continued to date such a man?
 Arugula
Joined: 11/5/2006
Msg: 613
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Posted: 1/6/2008 10:36:46 AM

The question raised was:If a 25-year-old man was interested in a 17-year-old girl, and it is completely legal for the two of them to have sex, would you see this as unacceptable?

Hope that clears it up for all of you. This thread is ONLY about legal sex.


And I hope THIS clears it up for you.

No, I would NOT see it as acceptable, and any human with an "adult" mentally would not see it as normal either. Adults protect children. They don't f*ck them.

While my child (male or female) may be able to LEGALLY consent to sex, they are still LEGALLY my responsibility. I'd simply file a restraining order with the local police department. I'd also provide a copy of that restraining order to my child's school. And I'd enforce that restraining order to the letter of the law, ensuring that I did indeed destroy the predator's life. I'd ensure that if he broke that restraining order in any fashion, he'd have a permanent criminal record...affecting all future employement and many personal relationships.

However, if you and the Op, and others of the same mentality concerning preying on verses protecting minor children wish to look for minor children to f*ck, by all mean, go ahead. It's possible you'd find a parent who would have the same mentality as you. Good luck with that.
 that sam i am
Joined: 10/27/2006
Msg: 614
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Posted: 1/6/2008 10:46:09 AM
It's no wonder teenagers hate their parents. Instead of trying to reason out with their teenagers about what is right and wrong, some parents choose to destroy a relationship and hurt the object of their teenager's affections.

This leads to a rift between the parent and "child" and trust is broken never to be gained.
 scorpiomover
Joined: 4/19/2007
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Posted: 1/6/2008 11:28:54 AM
Arugula, lets' review a few points:
1) The OP finds it distasteful as well. So you are arguing a false point.
2) From what I understand, you can only file a restraining order if you can prove a law is broken, and is likely to be broken again, that would cause serious harm to the people who are protected by the restraining order. I know this because my mother filed a restraining order against someone, and needed to back it up, by providing evidence that the person had physically assaulted her. IMHO, in this situation, if the guy had not assaulted your child, or harmed your child in any other illegal way, you are not entitled to have any request for such an order to be with-held. Moreover, if you made any claims against him to a school, or to any member of the public, he would be entitled to sue you for defamation of character, which could quite possibly be claimed for the entire value of all of your financial value, including your home.
3) If you disrespect the law, by ignoring it when it says things are permissible, then you are showing to others that the law is an a**, and that even when it bans things, such as illegal sex with a minor, it is an a** too. So if someone has value for your opinion, then they might take things further with a person below the age of consent. That is something I am strongly against, so I believe in upholding the law.
4) From my understanding of people, the mind requires consistency. If you teach your offspring to date men who treat them with respect, irrespective of age, then their minds will follow that. If you teach your offspring to date men who are close to their age, irrespective of respect or abuse, they will follow that. Given that so many young people in the West appear to be only interested in casual sex without any respect, the mind will naturally conclude that selecting young people will automatically conclude that respect and lack of abuse is not a requirement of dating.
5) If you want young people to date young people, happily, you can make it happen. You can hold singles events every week, which you could oversee, and partner people up, and hold seminars for young men and young women on how to best to conduct relationships. But if you don't do this, they will be influenced by their most immediate teachers: TV, magazines, advertisements, and the internet. From what I see, it seems that that's what is going on already.
6) If you brought up your children to be fully-functional human beings, they would have found a decent person to date their own age already, because it is natural to select someone your own age, if all other criteria are met.

There are some of my thoughts on the matter. They are by no means perfect thoughts, so feel free to disagree.
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