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 Antonin
Joined: 12/27/2006
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 PALEHORSERIDING
Joined: 2/28/2005
Msg: 132
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Posted: 2/27/2007 11:13:15 AM
take away 16 15 14 9 13 10 17 and tweak number three depends on what I am doing period as I am ADHD and this is me period. but then again I am a diagnosed ADHD with sociopathich and narciistic tendencies
 PALEHORSERIDING
Joined: 2/28/2005
Msg: 135
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Posted: 2/28/2007 1:18:48 PM
this site never worked for me as it is. I come here more for the forums then anything else.
 whitesburgwade1
Joined: 4/20/2006
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Posted: 3/6/2007 4:51:44 PM
I have voted for many of these people. I call them polititions
 whitesburgwade1
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Posted: 3/6/2007 4:52:23 PM
I have voted for many of these people. I call them politicians......sp
 rockondon
Joined: 2/21/2007
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Posted: 3/6/2007 7:03:20 PM
I read an interesting article on psychopaths once. It speculated that 1% of the population were psychopaths.

One thing that was kind of neat, if you hook up a regular person to a machine that shocks you every 10 seconds, the person will anticipate the upcoming shock, grow nervous, increase heart rate, hairs stand on end, sweat, *ZAP* , relax a little, grow nervous...etc rinse and repeat
The psychopath just sits there. Pulse, breathing, sweating, etc doesn't change. They would probably be quite curious what the point of getting worked up about the jolt is...its not like getting nervous about it will stop it from zapping you again.

If a psycho witnessed a fatal car accident where one person died and one lived, they might closely watch how the survivor reacts to seeing their friend/family member die. In case the psycho loses someone close to them one day, it'll be useful to know how they should look to make it appear that they're all torn up about it.

No conscience. That'd be weird.
 MuseInspired45
Joined: 1/6/2007
Msg: 139
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Posted: 3/11/2007 1:51:44 AM
Hi everyone - I work as a domestic violence counsellor and have some experience of the consequences of sociopathic/psychopathic behaviours - and I guess my comments would include having an understanding of what it means to 'survive' any encounter with people of this nature. They are high manipulators and will use vulnerability as a way of gaining 'power'. Violence (in its many forms - social, financial, physical, emotional, legal and psychological) is a strategy for maintaining control and domination over the 'other' (victim/survivor). For me the psychobiosocial explanation is useful and is inclusive of all of what has been discussed in this forum - what is clear is that people are taken 'hostage' psychologically, supported by environmental and social norms (ie. the Cinderella story) and socialisations (ie. we need a partner in our life) and then gradually over time the sordid nature of sociopathic tendencies reveal themselves. The consequences are Stockholm Syndrome (surviving as paramount) and post traumatic stress - no one 'chooses' to be in aviolent relationship and often leaving can be significantly dangerous (the violence often escalates). I think we need to educate educate educate on the preindicators of potential violence (some of them are considered 'romantic'!!) and hence provide information and support rather than victim blaming..............Hope that's useful to the discussion The Muse
 Dr.Strange
Joined: 3/6/2007
Msg: 142
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Posted: 3/16/2007 11:39:40 AM
to comment on Saddam Huessien being a psychopath, he wasn't, he actually had alzheimers disease which as we all know can result in bizzare behaviors, his sond started to run things so if you want to call him psycho, its his sons!!!


Sorry but... any one who raises statues of themselves and calls himself a god in my book is a psychopath
 Dr.Strange
Joined: 3/6/2007
Msg: 145
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Posted: 3/16/2007 6:56:58 PM
^^^Great Post thank you...very educational


<div class="quote">I don't know by what criteria you are "self diagnosing" yourself as a sociopath, but not a psychopath, but please remember the old adage "A lawyer who h as himself for a client, has a fool for a client"--the same goes for physicians and clinicians. Self diagnosis is seldom accurate.

that line of thinking came up for me also.......


the people conducting the studies to what makes a sociopath or psychopath is still under debate and have not come to a conclusion


Well I'm no sociopath..lol..but it looks pretty straight forward for Me.
 Dr.Strange
Joined: 3/6/2007
Msg: 147
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Posted: 3/17/2007 12:38:57 PM

Sounds too bizarre to be "true"--but he isn't the worst I have heard about by far. Look at the news, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, Charlie Manson, Reverend JOnes, and I am sure you can all name the names from the news, but the ones that are the WORST are the ones that will never be "caught" and executed or put in prison.


for instance The Zodiac Killer..he taunted police with letters of blowing up school buses.
 Dr.Strange
Joined: 3/6/2007
Msg: 150
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Posted: 3/17/2007 5:57:37 PM

The best advice I can give is KNOW YOUR ENEMY--some are VERY slick, Ted Bundy was one of those very slick ones. Even used his charm to lure some of the women to him.


His intelligence is what made him so dangerous...he wasn't your average garden variety psychopath He had a high IQ..........
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 151
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Posted: 3/17/2007 10:24:39 PM
This is what i'm doing now by discrediting these criterias.

A little bit of knowledge really is a dangerous thing.

First point: Your research fails to adequately relate the actual language of the DSM-IV

On the first set of points (you listed 1-6 yet there are 7) items 1-7 are descriptive of the language in paragraph A

A. There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following: (1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
(2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
(3) impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
(4) irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
(5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others
(6) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
(7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

Though the specific words of the US and EU criteria are different, the meaning and intent are identical.

EU criterion 'a' and US A-5 & A-7 (and to some extent A-1 & A-3), EU 'b' and US A-1 & A-6, EU 'c' and US A-2 & A-7, EU 'd' and US A-5 & A-3, EU 'e' and US A-7, A-3 & A-1, EU 'f' and US A-7 (and to some extent A-2).

Point 2:

B. The individual is at least age 18 years.

This is to distinguish Axis II adult disorders from Axis I childhood onset disorders as well as recognition that the diagnostic criteria for Conduct Disorder are not necessarily indicative of future Antisocial Personality Disorder.

There is nothing magic about it, it comes from both societal norms for adulthood, legal issues surrounding consent for treatment and age-related disgnostic criteria.

Point 3:

C. There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.

Childhood-onset and early Adolescent-onset Conduct Disorder is statisticaly related adult Antisocial Personality Disorder whereas late Adolescent-onset Conduct Disorder is directly diagnostic. There is also the diagnostic criterion that the pattern should be present since age 15.

Again, nothing inconsistent here.

Point 4:

D. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.

Schizophrenia and mood disorders with Mania are entirely different beasts. These can actually be medically treated whereas Antisocial Personality Disorder can't.

Point 5:

Every example you use to 'illustrate' how everyone shows the symptoms of Antisocial Personality Disorder are both ludicrous and disingenuous. They appear vague only because your examples completely ignore the issue of degree and severity, both qualitative and quantitative.
 scorpiomover
Joined: 4/19/2007
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Posted: 7/19/2007 8:25:35 AM
1) Seems like a player. Well, I guess that 75% of the world is a psychopath or a sociopath.

So: if a person seems to be good to be true, then they are probably a psychopath or a sociopath.That makes sense. I've met people like that and it fits.

Mind you, all this is very possible. I one saw a film called "The Corporation". It was all about how most businesses are so selfish and money-oriented that they have the same personality as a psychopath.

I guess the same holds true for people.
 hello_kitty
Joined: 6/20/2005
Msg: 154
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Posted: 8/1/2007 5:19:11 AM
Kudos to jon and the Muse for covering the most essential elements of what my best girlfriend got free of last year. Forget diagnosing; people need to be educated in order to avoid these predators and unfortunately our society blames the victim rather than to suppport and encourage these people. She's been banned for life since she inadvertantly revealed his sordid, sociopathic true nature. Having met and fell in love with this monster several years ago, he was charming, witty and sweet; very convincing facade. Over time as the violence, backstabbing, control and fits of rage took over in private, she had to make for the exit. It was a psychological war in which she was held hostage, and she also now suffers from Stockholm Syndrome and post traumatic stress disorder. Yes, machiavelli is the model for this evil, as they're always lying and manipulating behind the scenes to destroy those who expose and/or leave them, while pretending to be just as sweet as sugar ar0und people who can advance their goals and status. Families, friends and counsellors need to be supportive and nonjudgmental. My sista has been through years of indescribable hell and this site is one of the few ways that she can get the word out on these monsters and warn other people to protect them from what she'll go through for the rest of her life. If anyone hears of sees things like her profile on here~ooomaadoll, they might want to take what some people say with a grain of salt and bother to find out the truth; she's not the cause, but is trying to cope with the effect, also from other sociopaths like her sister, ex-sponsor and a few more former friends of both genders. Imagine coming back from a 4-year tour of duty and having the very people who are there to lend help and support are blaming the victim. If they want to hear tapes, hear voice mails or read years of emails to know the truth, which most people should know by her character anyway, it's all there for backup proof. Evil does thrive when good men fail to act and this town is a disgrace; find out the facts before you destroy an already mortally wounded soul, as she did nothing but ask for your support. shame 0n all of you.
 hello_kitty
Joined: 6/20/2005
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Posted: 8/12/2007 7:14:49 PM
hugs) to you oxdrover. it's heartbreaking to read what you've been through; it's just inconceivable and heartbreaking to read. my best friend who's been banned from these forums by her XNP and all of his lies gets a lot of support on some other sites that you've mentioned before. you can't appeal to the conscience of an np as they don't have one, no guilt no heart. however, her lawyer has now got years of his chat archives, complete medical history, emails and the tapes of every conversation they've had for over a year now, to have him arrested. sociopaths are pathological liars, master manipulators and they've got a perverse sense of entitlement/irresponsibility. the only way to hold them accountable and to stop the projection/smear campaign is to get the courts and police involved. narcissists tend to underestimate their prey sometimes and overestimate their own intellect, attractiveness, powers of persuasion, etc. par for the course as you know that they're a legend in their own minds. he became violent by last fall, smashing 2 pc's and her phone outta her hand. good thing there is so much evidence and an endless array of witnessess. it's for his own good as his fits of rage almost killed her while he was driving as well. you're so right that there's no vindication in locking them away. they hurt everyone including themselves and their families, people who loved them most. at least knowledge is power and she'll never be a naive, trusting target again~that was stolen by him. you're an inspiration oxdrover; glad that you're alive and kicking too, kitty
 hello_kitty
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Posted: 8/16/2007 9:40:36 PM
you are so right on the money regarding all that you've posted oxdrover; clearly having a firm grasp of this evil from both a professional and a personal level. my best friend left her exNPbf last winter and will never go back~not a victim.. i'm staying with her sometimes to help with the nightmares and just to lend support, since most people could never grasp the depraved insanity of "such a nice guy". that is how they hook in their victims initially, faking to care about others, etc. since she left this monster, of course he is stepping up the smear campaign and recruiting loyal followers who are not smart enough to catch on. once she read, studied and talked to some of his ex's, family members and psychiatrists, the puzzle pieces clicked together and she got out. also, this male friend of hers, who helped her move into a supposedly "safe" place and lives a few blocks away w/his girlfriend and their kids, gleefully bragged at full volume in public last winter, that he was an ex-con/diagnosed psychopath as well. at least they're easy to spot now, it's just too bad that they convince everyone that they're the victims, thereby isolating the real victim and simultaneously blowing her entire support network to shreds. they contradict themselves often, have a low i.q. and derive their only pleasure from delierately hurting as many people as possible, with an evil smirk while they doing this. how ironic that people believe such lying, spin doctors no matter how much evidence points to the contrary. hope that you're well and thanks for all the useful input. hugs, kitty
re: the other post about them having abnormal mri's; hopefully this could be forced by the courts once he goes jail, then they will throw away the key, no? perhaps giving a set of tapes of these ppl, including her sister and a few others, along with the other documented/recorded proof to the CMHA, in addition to her lawyer and the police, would land them in penatang, where they must have an mri machine as well. peace
 CaribbeanFish
Joined: 3/19/2008
Msg: 160
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Posted: 3/22/2008 5:26:00 PM
I spent almost 14 years with such a person! It's been a year since the last time we were toghether and I'm still struggling with myself and getting as much information as possible to get rid of all the harm this person caused to myself. He used to be an "functional addicted" and it seems that the use of drugs made him an incredible lovable person, even though he lied about almost everything and I felt like walking on edge most of the time. He kept me hanging on with promises he never kept and used every person in his way. When he entered in Narcotics Anonymous, about 2 or 3 years ago, his true personality emerged and believe me it was really scary. He started a fight for nothing or for the most stupid thing you can't imagine. The shouting was incredible and very out of proportion....
 etherealone
Joined: 4/8/2007
Msg: 161
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Posted: 3/22/2008 6:21:19 PM
There is a book i highly recommend called The Psychopath's Bible. it was written by Dr. Christopher Hyatt.

it has a different take on what society deems as psychotic. i tend to believe his take more. that society has built and formed a nice human that we should all become because of our society being unable to deal with anything else.

but what are humans really wired to be like? i could argue what the altruistic qualities of a human actually are to what people think they should be.
 father3
Joined: 7/11/2006
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Posted: 9/13/2008 11:42:29 PM

I just read all 13 pages of this thread. I once knew a sociopath - but thankfully was tipped off by his ex-friend (although had suspicions about things he'd done). I didn't really know what a sociopath was so searched online and he did share all the traits - constant lying, using people, borrowing money, appearing charming at first, then showing his irate side when things didn't go well, throwing in stuff to get your pity (which is probably mostly lies), his ex-friend told me he'd stolen money, suffered from addictions and other stuff, etc etc.
I don't think you can diagnose a sociopath just by researching the traits and then comparing them to him. He could just as well be someone who suffers from low self esteem. Which in different sitautions, could just about be everyone alive. (except sociopaths). By the traits you've listed, it appears all children are sociopaths. It's a lot more involved that possessing traits. Even well trained professionals have a hard time diagnosing someone as a true sociopath--someone who possesses no conscience, no remorse, no empathy for his/her victims.

Do sociopaths use absolutely everyone? ie. all of their friends and people they think they can use? Or do they just target specific people and actually be 'nice' to certain close friends? I'm just curious because the one I knew had a couple of friends that he'd been friends with for quite awhile (longer than I'd known him) - and it made me wonder why they hadn't figured him out and stopped being his friend like others had.
This might indicate he does possess what it takes to form lasting relationships. Overall he is a bad dude, but probably not a true sociopath. He acts like a child. More than likely he hasn't emotionally grown up past a certain chronological age. This happens to people. Not everyone comes from a proper nurturing background. Kids learn what they live and carry it into adulthood. Through cognitive therapy it is possible to unlearn life lessons and learn proper behaviour, but the subject really has to acknowledge they are a problem and want to change.

Sounds like your past friend suffers nothing more than stunted emotional growth.
 btj_rv
Joined: 12/9/2007
Msg: 165
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Posted: 9/14/2008 11:04:23 AM
I think a real sociopath is in part delusional. And may not necessarily be delibrate in their actions. I dated a sociopath that was more negligent in her behavior than what some might typically label as sociopathic behavior. And example would be independency and dependency. She was very independent. And could not understand how her partner could be emotionally dependent on her in the closest sense. Despite what may be assumed she was not delibrate in her actions that may have caused emotional distress. Now I'm not talking about anything criminal here. More so a simple not following through with things that were discussed. For instance. It could be something as little as going out to dinner. But shortly before going she says that she has to get other thing done and we'll go another time. So I would have to say that there are different levels of sociopathy. And some may misinterpret sociopathy with someone who is greedy, calculating, and dishonest.
 Sassy 1
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Posted: 9/15/2009 5:14:21 PM
sidheanwwyn is correct ! Psychopath is a Sociopath , just with further, more severe characteristics. I just read up on both of them for my own research.
 DameWrite
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Posted: 5/3/2010 12:37:31 PM
I do know that some people, more than you'd think, (2%?) lack empathy (psychopaths) and it's being researched to see if they were born this way. (probably). It's a tough way to live as these people often feel "different", but it does not have to be "bad". It can often come in handy for heavy situations. (like working as a surgeon in a war torn country). It's only "bad" if these people use it to harm. Psychopaths lack empathy, but can be socialized to understand others feeling and taught how to relate in a healthy social manner. Sociopaths are often psychopaths and they often do not relate to others feelings nor do they care to. In worse case scenarios, they'll use charisma or feign social skills and empathy to hide the fact they have no empathy thus being able to seduce their victims for their own selfish desires. There are also sociopaths who are not psychopaths, they just haven't the skills to relate to others. My opinion, C
 Halcyon_Skies
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Msg: 169
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Posted: 6/2/2010 7:44:21 AM

I do know that some people, more than you'd think, (2%?) lack empathy (psychopaths) and it's being researched to see if they were born this way. (probably). It's a tough way to live as these people often feel "different", but it does not have to be "bad". It can often come in handy for heavy situations. (like working as a surgeon in a war torn country). It's only "bad" if these people use it to harm. Psychopaths lack empathy, but can be socialized to understand others feeling and taught how to relate in a healthy social manner. Sociopaths are often psychopaths and they often do not relate to others feelings nor do they care to. In worse case scenarios, they'll use charisma or feign social skills and empathy to hide the fact they have no empathy thus being able to seduce their victims for their own selfish desires. There are also sociopaths who are not psychopaths, they just haven't the skills to relate to others.


I believe the figure is higher than 2%. Over the years, I have known several individuals that exhibited both psychopathic and sociopathic characteristics. I don't feel these damaged people that show a lack of empathy are born that way---I think it's often the result of some type of trauma they suffered earlier in their lives, either physical or emotional.
 lateā„¢
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Msg: 170
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Posted: 6/26/2010 6:12:09 PM
This is as good a collection as any, encompassing many different sources of diagnostic criteria and description.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
 Chivalry is not dead!
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Msg: 171
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Posted: 6/30/2010 4:29:13 PM
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