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 Leatheryman
Joined: 9/3/2007
Msg: 26
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If i had to choose between a country hospital and a public hospital in a metro area...lack of country doctors aside... give me the boonies everytime.
 SergeantOz
Joined: 4/11/2007
Msg: 27
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/8/2007 3:25:07 AM
Sake,

I don't know your experience with medicare but it was developed for people who needed some assistance through income levels, families, health, disability, returned services or others who just needed a hand - it is over used and abused because if it means going 10 minutes to see a medical centre GP and paying $5.00 for it or going to a hospital and clogging up the system with sniffles and minor cuts then they prefer that.

Private health care is now a joke and once you could get 80 - 90% rebates on it but as the premiums go up - the rebates are closer to 40% on some services - so why be in a private health fund ? For a few close friends with major health issues they pay it so they can get the care they need for their kids which makes me sick to my stomach knowing that people cannot got the health care they need (anyone who needs it should get it).

Any business run like our states have been run for far too long would have had the management sacked but the same clowns that run them are just shuffled around like a deck of cards.

More staff needed - yes and but you need that staff to come from within as too many health industry staff leave to pursue other related industries on better conditions. More beds - we have plenty of beds to use - just don't have the staff to man the wards over weekends and the like. More doctors are needed but we need doctors who speak and understand English as too many foreign doctors have misdiagnosed patients through lack of literacy skills. I have witnessed this first hand with my uncle rushing him to a hospital and being unable to make the doctors comprehend the seriousness of his condition.

So what is the answer ? More taxes ? Blame someone else or does it come down to people taking responsibility for their actions for once ? The life of a human being is priceless and healthcare should not have a value but it has to start with the hospital management and then state level who are mismanaging the available funds.
 SidewaysMari
Joined: 8/4/2007
Msg: 28
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/8/2007 3:56:17 AM
Yeh serenex your prob right. They would have a bit to say.......

Regional I mean in towns with less than 3000 people. But it is a very slash and burn idea......since I dont live in one (a town such as that) Im probably not very sympathetic.......

M
 likes_a_laugh
Joined: 3/17/2007
Msg: 29
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/8/2007 5:03:32 AM
Regional areas are screaming out for healthcare professionals. Those with reasonable public infrastructure lack the talented bodies to fill the places. The Qld public hospital system used to be brilliant and is slowly sliding into oblivion...

I wouldn't mind copping a smidgen more tax if that meant governments would properly fund a modern public health system. I don't believe in socialising the industry but in a modern, progressive democracy we should at least provide universal health care - the same way as we provide universal clean water, schooling and trafficable roads.

The health system is fast following the Nth American model where only the 'haves' can have it and the 'have-nots' can go to buggery.

It's altogether unaustralian to let crook people go to buggery... so much for the lucky country.
 Cinder_ella
Joined: 6/19/2007
Msg: 30
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/8/2007 1:43:25 PM
I took my seven year old daughter up to the public hospital on Sunday, she had hurt her neck and was in a lot of pain. The doctor ordered x-rays, which we had, then he decided that she needed a ct scan. At this point the radiologist basically told him to fark off and called in a second opinion, he said she was way too young to be subjected to that much radiation when her x-rays were inconclusive. After four doctors argued about whether to give her the scan (which was a waste of time because I had already decided she wasn't having it) they sent us home. Not a pleasant way to spend three hours. Lucky for my daughter the radiologist was an older, experienced campaigner.

Re: private cover. I have it because members of my family need specialist care which is not covered by medicare. The rebates are not nearly enough but if you end up in hospital then I reckon private is the way to go with the way our public hospital is up here.
 SergeantOz
Joined: 4/11/2007
Msg: 31
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/9/2007 4:05:45 AM
Cinders I am sorry to hear about your daughter's experience - I hope she is alright soon. Last year I took a neighbour's son 14 year old son to Westmead kids hospital as he hurt himself with a staple gun through the leg and repeated it twice more. I rang his mum as we got there and he went in for treatment. There was a man in ER carrying on about his daughter's SPLINTER ............ yes a BLOODY PEESEE SPLINTER !!!!!!!!

They waited an hours and he was becoming irate because the medical centre wanted to charge him $5.00 extra above bulk billing and he was not going to pay it since in his country BLAH BLAH. His wife came in as he sped off in a car leaving them stranded when she got to asking me how long the wait was. I had a quick look at the little girl's splinter which could have been pulled out with a ladies nails but went back to my car to get the splinter tweezers, some betadine and a medi-prep. 10 seconds later the splinter was gone and the little girl was smiling. A nurse placed a Disney bandaid on it and handed her a lollipop for being so brave. 30 bloody seconds from go to woe.

Simple tasks that mums have been doing at home for years and people need to clog up our ER services with stuff like this or with sprains, coughs and sniffles. It's bad enough as it is, but the hospitals don't need more people like this to extend the lines out the door.
 Sunshine~Surprise
Joined: 9/14/2007
Msg: 32
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/13/2007 9:46:48 PM
Just a quickie in here to say the Public Qld. Health System has done right by me :)
 The Ram
Joined: 6/5/2007
Msg: 33
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/13/2007 11:27:41 PM
ONE THEORY...
find a goose that lays a golden egg, pay them a million dollars a year and poach ELITE doctors from the ELITE hospitals from around the world....


OR, as a long term goal, we could develop our own, from primary school, focusing more on EMPATHY (for our fellow human beings) and human biology...


???
 *champrins*
Joined: 8/10/2007
Msg: 34
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/13/2007 11:37:14 PM
1) PRIVATISE
2) PRIVATISE
3) PRIVATISE

I have had kids in both areas and let me tell you, one would be DEAD and the other unable to walk properly for the rest of her life had I relied solely on the public sector. And this was before we had the crisis.

FACT: A private doctor/hospital has CUSTOMERS. You screw up or dont care of misdiagnose, you are a) in deep sh*t and b) out of business very fast.

If you have private EMPLOYEES in the staffing area who screw up and mess with the CUSTOMERS they wont last long.

Self solving problem.

When they GOVT pays them, it seems you are some kind of statistic instead. Try standing up to a public doctor or nurse. YOU are under their control and they will out you in your place and you have ZERO say in it, because the GOVT is where the money is coming from. What are you going to do? Complain to the govt? LOLOL Yeah right. 23 years later......


NEXT: Bring back on site learning for nurses. You live in mostly, start out emptying bedpans and shifting stuff around and LEARNING. It was like an apprenticeship and some damn fine nurses came out of it. Nurses who had experience and knew what they were doing and how the whole system worked.

University trained nursing should come as an ADDITION to the apprenticeship for those who wish the specialise.

It was the same as learning a trade. It was a trade! And those who completed their training proudly saud QUALIFIED NURSE. It meant something. Not everyone who can LEARN it can DO it. And there are many who can DO it but either cant cope with Uni or cant afford it.

Stupid stupid stupid stupid system. Like sending a carpenter to uni then straight out on a large building site with no experience. Someone is going to get hurt.

Re privatising? If we all have private cover, it doesnt actually cost so much. I remember when almost everyone was bailing out and the cost spiralled, but its been stable now for years. Why NOT user pay?

Does anyone remember the GOVT WORKERS of old? Yeah yeah just turn up and do SOMETHING (as little as possible) and get paid (as much as possible).

I'm not saying the nursing staff doesnt work hard. They do. But the system is totally screwed up and when you take a kid in who sits for 3 hours to get an xray, and the xray shows light clear through the middle of the bone (ie broken) and you get 4 nurses who dont care, and a doctor who looks at said Xray and says "um i dunno" then looks at his watch and says come back in 4 days, go home and take some disprin....



You seriously cant see that is BROKEN????????

Yes he could. But he didnt care. Because it was a public hospital and he just works by the hour. We were not a CUSTOMER. The govt paid his wage, not us.

And if people had to PAY something, there would be a lot less NOTHING BLOODY WRONG WITH THEMS in hospital beds and waiting rooms. There would therfore be more beds for those who DID need them?

Any public health system that is free has the same problem.

The age old joke in England used to be, the waiting list time for pregnancy is 11 months. And that just about summed it up.

Our system worked. Why isnt it now I wonder?

cheers
 atalia
Joined: 3/28/2007
Msg: 35
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/14/2007 12:40:30 AM

OR, as a long term goal, we could develop our own, from primary school, focusing more on EMPATHY (for our fellow human beings) and human biology...

Sooo agree.......Johnny! more uni places and we want em yesterday
 Blossuming
Joined: 10/1/2007
Msg: 36
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The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/14/2007 3:05:49 AM
I have read through this forum, and as a nurse I would just like to put my two cents in. I have experienced both sides of medical care, ie. private and public and nurse and patient.
- if you have something wrong that requires extra knowledge, go public because that is where all the research is done because private hospitals DO NOT pay for studies to improve health care.
- Nurses work damn hard, public hospital nurses are actually paid more than private hospital nurses because they work harder and put up with much more shit that private nurses.
- Country hospitals are very important where they are because withhout them you may have to drive 3 hours to get to a hospital (especially in WA)
-I agree with the university system of training nurses, I just think more practical time needs to be spent in health care settings.
- Also, ultimately people don't care about the people who look after them. Nurses get very few thankyous anymore (and I know I get paid to do my job), it used to be custom, that when you were discharged from hospital you would say thankyou, but all people do now is **** and moan. And they moan about very stupid things such as a cold bed pan.
- I have private health cover because it lets me get some rebate on health services i require to keep myself well enough to look after everyone else, but ultimately if i need any procedure done then i still have to go to a public hospital because private areas just do not have the facilities to do it.
-Did you know there is only two private hospital ICU's in perth, the rest are in public hospitals. And that when you get too sick for a private hospital ICU you get sent to a public hospital.
- so yes the system is not perfect, to fix it, you just need more people who give a damn abotu the job they are actually doing, instead of doing it because it was the only degreee they could get into. Or that it seemed a good way to get them into a further science based degree.

Thanks
 Boovaldave
Joined: 10/6/2007
Msg: 37
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/14/2007 3:29:43 AM
I think we need the trainee nurse's back in Hospitals. Like most work nothing trains like hands on experience.
My daughter got Xmas day 5 years ago, temp over 40, to the emergency, you nurse left us waiting, senior nurse walked past, smelled something, got doctor, Daughter was admitted instantly, all blood drained. She had 3 surgeons on NEW YEARS eve stopping her legs and arms curling up, 4 major surgeries in week.
I slept at the hospital for 2 weeks, the senior nurses organised food for me and gave me a pass code so I could sneak out for a smoke.
A young doctor when it was nearly over said she would take years to recover and have to learn to walk and write again. A senior nurse took me aside gave me some diet and excercise advice for her, organised a rehab.
One year later she scored the winning try in her rugby grand final for Under 10.

The only reason she is still alive and healthy is experienced nurses.
If i had private health cover the Gap fee's would have been Hundreds of thousand dollars I have been told.
It cost me nought, I don't complain about paying my taxes though.

To get back on subject, ground roots training, better shift rosterers so people are less tired, less politics more people.
 *champrins*
Joined: 8/10/2007
Msg: 38
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/14/2007 4:34:45 AM


Excellent post Boo!
 SergeantOz
Joined: 4/11/2007
Msg: 39
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/14/2007 3:47:53 PM
Excellent post there Boo - sorry to hear about your daughter.

The state governments have had years to allocate money and as I said before, when the backside is out of your trousers - you have to cry poor. Personal drivers, junkets o/seas, so many consultants and even more contracted staff to boost staffing in government departments - where does it all end ? There are far too many experts roaming around the place and instead of asking the frontline troops like our nursing staff, there are unqualified idiots making million dollar decisions affecting their lives.
 OleTimeMusic
Joined: 2/27/2007
Msg: 40
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 10/15/2007 3:57:44 AM
how to fix the health system, start pumping public funds back into the public health system. employ more doctors and nurses.
 Fairybread
Joined: 4/24/2007
Msg: 41
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 11/2/2007 8:01:58 AM
How do we fix the health care problem. Easy. Get private cover, or get used to being sick or possibly die.

We insure our cars, our homes and our belongings. Why don't people insure the one thing that REALLY matters...our health.

Without your health, all the other things don't seem to matter.

A very good friend of mine had a prolapsed spine 8 years ago. Without private health she would have been placed on a waiting list for surgery. The waiting list for this kind of procedure is around 2 years. In that time, she would have been confined to a wheelchair for the rest of her life. She had a two year old son and at the time she was only 30 years old. What happened in the operation was that she develloped an infection (not due to the hospital or the surgeon but to chemical imballance in her body) this caused further treatment for her as an out patient to rid her of the infection. The cost of this procedure and the antibiotics she needed to keep her alive and fight the infection after the operation was in excess of $100K.

What makes her story so remarkable is that she is a sole parent and she does it tough. She is not divorced, but widowed. There is no child support for her, there is no life insurance for her and the superannuation of her late husband was already gone.

She has private health cover for herself and her son because she is not reliant on the government for what she has produced. USER PAYS!
 hilly1971
Joined: 10/10/2007
Msg: 42
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 11/3/2007 12:57:58 AM
Have to agree with that,get private health and relax the burden on the public hospitals.

Yeah it is a struggle to pay some months, but its a necessary expense to me,no different to car insurance or home insurance and most people would not go without those.

Maybe making it more affordable would actually save the government money in the long run as im sure many more people would invest in it if it was a little more reasonably priced.
 Fairybread
Joined: 4/24/2007
Msg: 43
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 11/3/2007 1:18:27 AM
^^^I agree with you Hilly. It is expensive but it is a necessity in life. I think a good way to make it more affordable for the average Australian is if they have private health cover, they should not be charged a medicare levy on their taxes.

Doctors and nurses should be employees of the direct hospital. There should be no government workers anywhere for any service.

Surgeons mostly are self employed and pay huge amounts of tax.
 atalia
Joined: 3/28/2007
Msg: 44
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 11/3/2007 3:01:09 AM
Yeah in a utopian world we could all afford health cover.
Try it on 250 a week when rent is 220.....geez living in a dream world.



I think a good way to make it more affordable for the average Australian is if they have private health cover, they should not be charged a medicare levy on their taxes.

Ummm happening already!
 SergeantOz
Joined: 4/11/2007
Msg: 45
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 11/3/2007 4:17:17 AM
Private Health funds mean nothing now .............. I left mine 11 years ago when I got the same treatment as the bloke next to me in a public hospital and I had to pay for it and he didn't. If I go to the dentist it costs me big time for something I would have paid into for years and get nothing out of it. Once a free pair of specs every 2 years (if I wore them) was standard - now you get a set rate in return. For some people it means affordability of treatment and I know a close friend with a disbality who needs private hospital care every 4 months who would not be alive without it.

$400.00 a month for full coverage on top cover is alot of money for most families to find each month ..................... I know many people who could not afford it right now.
 hilly1971
Joined: 10/10/2007
Msg: 46
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 11/3/2007 5:29:05 AM
Personally,I don't think things can be fixed.Our population is aging and i only see the situation getting worse.
Its harsh but we keep people alive to such an advanced age these days and have such high expectations of long life and advanced medical care, that maybe the problem is that we are being unrealistic in our expectations.
 aussiegirlwannabe
Joined: 10/22/2007
Msg: 47
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 11/3/2007 6:21:14 AM
This is all very interesting. It's not much better here.
 Fairybread
Joined: 4/24/2007
Msg: 48
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 11/3/2007 6:24:31 AM
^^^Is it better over there? I'm coming over!
 SergeantOz
Joined: 4/11/2007
Msg: 49
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 11/4/2007 3:52:15 PM
I once had to attend a university hospital in Houston and could not get over the differences of this specialist building compared to the dilapidated stuff back home. Sure you paid for it to attend and I was only visiting someone to sign contracts whilst he was recovering from an operation for a few days but I could not believe the difference in everything. But in the USA - no insurance and you get no admission which you are told when you fly into the USA that unlimited medical insurance should be your first order after purchasing your ticket.

I still see beds that are unused inside NEW wards as there is not the staff to fill the staffing levels and people are forced to wait on gurneys outside tying up ambulances and paramedic staff as well. Yes we have an aging population and people are leaving private healthcare with their 10% rises each year because of the added expense but some people with family members cannot afford to not be without this private cover.

So where are our elected premiers (ok the Qld one is new) when it comes to provided the health care needed for a growing population ? Where are these so called leaders when people are lying on a bed in the middle of a hospital hall-way ?

Sadly I know it is just bandaid treatment (excuse the pun) for something that has had no state investment in the health infrastructure for 10+ years. Bring the medical staff in and bring in medical centres for crap stuff like splinters and paper cuts so that our ER wards are not clogged up minor ailments. Our premiers need to do bloody something than recite figures of how much money has been placed into a health budget for the past year - be accountable and in the case of NSW - come out of hiding Mr Iemma.
 Brizguy_2007
Joined: 6/24/2007
Msg: 50
The state of our hospitals........How do we fix them??
Posted: 11/5/2007 6:18:03 PM
I had to attend a Hospital in North Carolina.....as a patient...you have to be very careful what you say yes to and what you sign...ask a LOT of questions.....
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