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 hippychic9
Joined: 6/26/2007
Msg: 113
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Thanks for the post Nebula

Alcohol is a drug.... ANY substance that is mind or mood altering is a drug...
(and please don't lets get into coffee and sugar) we are talking "drugs" . Don't believe me check out what addiction professionals world wide say, The NA Basic Text, etc...

So how many of you drink alcohol... do you also click the "you don't do drugs " on your profile box ?

The bottom line is choice. If I choose to burn one down thats okay with me. If you choose to burn one down or throw one back , thats okay with me too. As long as you are not hurting anyone else, yourself included, then I do not have a problem with it.

Abuse is an entirely different state of reality and state of being.
 quietcowboy
Joined: 10/2/2007
Msg: 114
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/11/2007 10:43:50 AM

Thanks for the post Nebula

Alcohol is a drug.... ANY substance that is mind or mood altering is a drug...
(and please don't lets get into coffee and sugar) we are talking "drugs" . Don't believe me check out what addiction professionals world wide say, The NA Basic Text, etc...

So how many of you drink alcohol... do you also click the "you don't do drugs " on your profile box ?

The bottom line is choice. If I choose to burn one down thats okay with me. If you choose to burn one down or throw one back , thats okay with me too. As long as you are not hurting anyone else, yourself included, then I do not have a problem with it.

Abuse is an entirely different state of reality and state of being.


Don't take this because in my early days I smoked lots of pot, but the big difference between alcohol & pot is pot is illegal & when I discuss smoking pot with my kids, that is exactly what I will tell them and that is all that needs to be said IMO. When/If the law changes, I will be fine with them smoking pot.
 buh-bye
Joined: 3/11/2007
Msg: 115
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/11/2007 11:09:30 AM

Msg 114: So how many of you drink alcohol... do you also click the "you don't do drugs " on your profile box?
Umm, did you notice that drinking has its own "category?"
Do you drink?
As does "nicotine/smoking:”
Smoker?
Leading someone with the capacity for deductive reasoning to conclude that the question, "Do you do drugs?" as delineated in the "profile box" does not encompass either drinking or smoking.
 JohnEDeep
Joined: 7/9/2007
Msg: 116
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Posted: 10/11/2007 11:12:26 AM
This polarizing topic has been 'hashed' many times with most naysayers following the 'legal' chain of logic, and the '420 friendlies' taking the 'no worse than alcohol' road. IMHO, either position is fine, to each their own.

My position is a matter of public record, but I just wanted to ask y'all how you feel about 'salvia divinorum'. Go ahead, google it. Check out some youtube videos for some laughs or righteous indignation. Still 100 percent legal, it's a powerful, mind-altering sacred herb and probably next in line to be labelled a 'controlled substance'.

I can't wait to read some 'Must not suck salvia' threads. Maybe Nancy Reagan can lead the grassroots campaign.
 ecaepydal
Joined: 4/24/2007
Msg: 117
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/11/2007 11:22:07 AM
Well...Funny you should ask...While doing some research on Peruvian Ayahuasca healing ceremonies (in preparation for a trip I may take next year), I came across a description of salvia. Sounded pretty interesting, and since I was on my own that weekend (and always fascinated with new sensations), I went out and picked some up to try...Alas...Nothing happened.

Don't know if I'll try it again as it (the dry stuff) tastes awful.
 nebula22
Joined: 8/14/2007
Msg: 119
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/11/2007 12:00:04 PM
To answer badboy4204u's question.
It was made illegal in order for Dupont to get rid of the natural compitition to their un-natural products. Hemp was the intended target of the prohibition as america was making over 5000 products from Hemp at that time.
Marijuana is now the target because of all the pharmicutical companies wanting the same thing. To keep us from having a natural plant that could make many of their products obsolete.
 quietcowboy
Joined: 10/2/2007
Msg: 120
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/11/2007 12:04:34 PM

So the real question should be, Why is alcohol legal, why is marijuana not?


Good question to ask a law maker, but not a good question for this forum. "Ours is not to ask why, but to do or die". The law won't change by anything you write in this forum.
 ecaepydal
Joined: 4/24/2007
Msg: 121
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Posted: 10/11/2007 12:04:49 PM
Nebula22:

Not to mention, it's a smokescreen for the things that really matter.
 Cynderella
Joined: 3/8/2007
Msg: 123
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Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/11/2007 12:14:29 PM

Well I reside in California, yea know, swimming pools movies stars and the best cannabis!

Nope...I think B.C. is world renowned for our Bud...TEE HEE
But what do I know...
 buh-bye
Joined: 3/11/2007
Msg: 125
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Posted: 10/11/2007 12:34:24 PM
Decriminalized is not equivalent to “legal.”


cktoronto Msg 113: To those who keep harping on the legality of Pot, please remember this is an international site and in most developed countries its either legal or decriminalized. So many (Americans) have posted in this thread presuming it was a felony everywhere.
Not sure why you would assume you know what others in the thread presume. I campaigned for decriminalization of marijuana possession penalties in the early 1970’s including demonstrating and circulating petitions for NORML. Incidentally, I have never indulged, but had strong feelings about the extraordinary penalties. I am not currently involved in any activism for this cause, but occasionally do a little reading on the topic. P.S. I just visited Cambodia this summer where you can buy a "Happy Pizza," but god forbid you try to buy drugs outside the restaurant ...

I am unaware of any country on Planet Earth where the use of marijuana is LEGAL (excluding some government provisions for medical applications). This includes both Canada (specifically Vancouver’s pot shops) and the Netherlands (specifically Amsterdam “coffee shops”) where pot is “tolerated” only in those settings. As a matter of fact, there has been a backlash recently in Amsterdam, where, according to some Dutch friends of mine, the overflow onto public streets and less than discrete venues has caused a crackdown by local law enforcement. Please cite a verifiable source stating a particular country/locale where Pot is LEGAL (versus vague reference to: most developed countries). I would be VERY interested in knowing such a fact. Else, you owe it to yourself to get a little more education on this subject.

Why is that these threads degenerate into the unreasonable “uptightness” of people who do not care to surround themselves with illegal activity? That is an important consideration for some people who may have something to lose. Pot is illegal, it is NOT a victimless crime. When I lived with my (pot-dealing) boyfriend, our house was broken into and ROBBED. As long as pot is illegal, criminal activity will be its companion. If you feel strongly about it, why waste your time trying to convince people they are “harping on the legality of Pot,” Why don’t you get involved in changing the laws and allow others to make a decision about the kind of lifestyle and people they choose to surround themselves with? Why not let people who do not want any involvement with drugs (including pot) be free to associate with those they are interested in, like you want the freedom to indulge in your forms of recreation? Seems hypocritical and judgmental to me.
 buh-bye
Joined: 3/11/2007
Msg: 127
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/11/2007 3:32:57 PM
Decriminalized is not equivalent to “legal.”
Unfortunately, Wikipedia accepts user “input” from posters that may not be validated. No, Wikipedia is not necessarily a verifiable source. As a matter of fact, if you actually read and examine the link you gave me, you will see many comments from inhabitants of a wide range of locations that contraindicate the “Legality” of pot as reflected in the dubious map.

All I am asking is in WHAT countries is it LEGAL?” We are getting off topic, here, but I tire of unsubstantiated references. Several EU countries have decriminalized, but allow me to repeat:
Decriminalized is not equivalent to “legal.”

I am not talking about “tolerated” (in specific venues), decriminalized, or loopholes, such as one that was recently acknowledged by a judge in Ontario that determined Ontario law does not specifically declare pot ”illegal”, but Canadian Federal Law does. We have decriminalized the pot penalties in Denver. I personally believe that law enforcement has better things to do.

When did I say ANYTHING about whether pot should be legal or not? I do not recall offering any opinion. That is not the topic, here. What do YOU think I was saying?
I am saying Pot is illegal. Where do you think it comes from? There was a recent case in California where a guy who was growing for the medical community was convicted for dealing, because the laws have not caught up with that perspective. When you buy it, you are affiliating with a dealer. It is naïve and elitist to think you are not contributing to the problem. Hooray for you if you put your money & or time toward furthering a cause in which you believe, however, I would think you would have a better grasp of the actual legality of pot, if so.

Here’s a link for you:
https://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=226380
and an extract
“So for now there is no country where marijuana is legal, but there are many regions where it is tolerated.”
Please don’t give me any fantasy maps for the world pot tour, just name one Country where it is legal …
Now, I tire of the same vague and pointless arguments that seem to stress the “rights” of people who do drugs (including pot) over the consequences of their behavior (including alienating others and possible criminal consequences). As I said way back in an earlier post (surely you read my history, if you believe you know what my opinions are)
Msg 24: People who choose to have "relationships" with drugs (including pot) must be prepared for the fact they may be excluded from relationships with others. Just as you may promote freedom of “religion” / association with drugs, so do I have freedom to associate with those I deem to be contributory to my life and circumstances.

Now, I retire and bid you adieu from this circular B.S.

Edit/Add: I greatly admire nearly anyone who has the courage of conviction to be active in causes to which they have a deeply held belief (as long as that belief does not impinge on the rights or freedoms of others). What I do not find commendable is the finger pointing that ultimately ensues when pot smokers try to throw responsibility for the potentially deleterious effects of their behavior at the feet of those who would rather not share in such repercussions. Instead of whining about how “uptight” such people are, get off your ass and DO SOMETHING to change the laws! At least that would eliminate the “illegality” factor from consideration.

In my case, while illegality is an important consideration, I would not be interested in dating a pot smoker: I hate smoking, in general, I do not care for mind-altering substances, specifically, and I have had enough experience with SOs (been there, done that) that smoked pot to know that it does have an effect on cognitive functionality (including short term memory, etc.). I know, it does not hold true for any of the pot smokers in this thread. Note: Please go back through the thread and note the comments from a number of former pot smokers regarding brain & "thinking" degradation. There are plenty of other threads on the pros/cons, illegality/legality, societal mores, etc. of pot, so maybe we shall meet again there. This thread is about “Why would someone filter out drug users (including pot)?” Maybe it’s because drugs prevent one from staying On-topic.
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 128
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/11/2007 8:03:40 PM
LMAO @

Does anyone really think that a user would give an honest answer to the question?


Believe it or not, yes...I ran across someone that said "yes" to this question. So I wrote him and asked him about it. He was great. Probably stoned when he answered me....LMAO ~ he clearly told me it's his drug of choice and if someone has an issue with that, they'd have an issue with him. I thought the honesty was refreshing.

TossedSalad: You so kill me. Oxycotin turns me into complete freak. Like an ADHD cat on crack. Dear lord, I cleaned hardwood floors for three days with a toothbrush. My husband came home and said, "Ummm ~ I see you've made it to a different room finally." And then I heard a loud SIGH. Guess I don't metabolize it quite as I should. Needless to say ~ it really provided me with some interesting thought patterns, not sure I'd like to repeat the experience, but it did produce some funny stories for a later date.
 beachdancer
Joined: 6/5/2007
Msg: 130
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 7:55:29 AM
Craftylady...I sympathize with you on the MS. I know several and it is a hard disease to live with. Anyone who has chronic illnesses fights alone and it is sometimes very lonely. I am also sorry about your ex and the toll that has taken on you.

I do not agree that pot is a gateway drug. Now this is coming from someone who has never tried any drugs. I have known various drug users over the years. Addictive personalities are addictive personalities. Don't blame the drugs. I know of lots of old bikers that only do pot and nothing else. I have known plenty of alcoholics who do as much or more harm as addicts I have heard about. My sister died of alcoholism at the age of 53. My father at the age of 56. My mom lived to the ripe age of 73, died of COPD. She slowed her drinking down after I graduated high school. You can imagine the abuse that went on in my home. Addictive personalities are easy to spot. My sister drank beer for breakfast, tegquila for lunch and whiskey until she passed out. Given an antidepressant, she felt better and drank less. Once she found out it was an antidepressant, she wouldn't take it. Pills were bad. Go figure. I admire someone who is sick and gets help. We ought not to lump every person who takes an antidepressant into a drug addict catagory.

I have no drugs in my profile because I don't wish to be put in a position to be arrested. Because I can't relate to said drugs. And SOME people who say they use a little pot also use other stuff. Give an inch, they want a mile. I learned that when I was a landlord.
 HEVYWGHTS
Joined: 10/3/2007
Msg: 132
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 8:47:40 AM
The bottom line is this. Yes, pot is against the law to possess and to smoke. We ALL know that. If someone doesn't like me because I chief. Most people meet me and say I am the most charismatic person and what not. I always get compliments about how well dressed I am. My sense oh humor is great. While I hear all that I laugh in my head. Bwhahahahaha but I smoke POT!! If you don't like it ****OFF. I'm very successful in what I do and I don't need anyone to support me. Hence why I don't care if woman I meet like it or not. If they don't mind it then we move on and see what happens from there.
 KitNbootz
Joined: 5/31/2007
Msg: 133
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 9:11:24 AM
I have a zero tolerance policy for drug users & substance abusers. That includes pot smokers (yes, cannabis is a drug!!), "recreational drugs" (acid, mushrooms, Ecstasy, etc.), prescription drug abusers, cleaning fluid/glue/marker sniffers, etc., and anyone on drugs for mental/emotional disorders. (I've run into a ton of crazy people on Prozac-- male and female-- and know those sorts of people are NOT the types I want in my life).

Sorry, but relationships are hard enough without adding drugs and substance abuse into the mix...
 MsWizard
Joined: 7/26/2006
Msg: 134
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 9:17:45 AM

do you consider cannabis a drug?


Of course its a drug. Its even used for "medicinal" purposes and prescribed for pain.


And if you use this contact restriction, why do you use it?


Because habitual pot smokers (IMO) lay around lethargic, de-energized, eat too much, sleep too much, and dont do anything creative or proactive in their lives....I can say this because I smoked pot for years as a teenager and yes I DID inhale...and didnt do much else but all of the above...
 NoPlaceLikeTexas
Joined: 9/7/2007
Msg: 135
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 9:24:49 AM
Stupid questions, not sure why I am wasting my time on this one.
Drugs are anything Illegal that can get you arrested.

I don't know why people must try to make themselves feel like its okay to break the law and do drugs. Why they feel everyone must say its okay for them to do those things.
People think drugs don't hurt nothing. Say that to the little child that got ran over in the residentail area as a drugged out 25 year old ran the child down. It is worse than Alcohol.
You don't get shot over a beer exchange at a bar, but you could get shot during a drug exchange.
I've always been very against drugs. Marijuana especially.
"But its just a smoke!" Pull crap, it is the beginning of a drug habit. It starts with one joint. My friend got arrested with an entire pound of the stuff. I know darn well he had intent of selling it. But I was a very smart Teenager. The moment I learned he was using drugs I stopped hanging around him, so I wasn't there the day he got busted.

So I applaud the women that say Must not do drugs...
At least they show Morals. Drug users just show they know how to break the laws.
 svj
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 136
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 10:05:32 AM
Because habitual pot smokers (IMO) lay around lethargic, de-energized, eat too much, sleep too much, and dont do anything creative or proactive in their lives....I can say this because I smoked pot for years as a teenager and yes I DID inhale...and didnt do much else but all of the above...
is not entirely accurate.

A quick translation.

Because habitual pot smokers (IMO) lay around lethargic, de-energized, eat too much, sleep too much, and dont do anything creative or proactive in their lives....
-------------PLUS----------
I can say this because I smoked pot for years as a teenager and yes I DID inhale...and didnt do much else but all of the above...
------------------EQUALS---------------
Because when I was a habitual pot smoker (IMO) I laid around lethargic, de-energized, I ate too much, I slept too much, and didn't do anything creative or proactive in my life.
That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

1 piece of anecdotal evidence does not equate to a rule.
Of the 6 ideas I've had in my life that made myself and my partners millions of dollars... 3 of them came when I was higher than an F16.

By your logic, that would mean that dope creates millionaires!

Hmm... come to think of it... Got a light?

(seriously, though... my first impression is that you were probably just smoking too much at once. A glass of merlot a day doesn't hurt anybody. 8 glasses of wine a day makes... a cougar! no! no! I meant 8 glasses a day makes an alcoholic!)
 MsWizard
Joined: 7/26/2006
Msg: 137
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 10:12:53 AM
Well actually svj...I KNOW several habitual potsmokers as well...and they are STILL laying around lethargic and non productive. I generally try to post in the first person before dragging other people in. But the fact is that when I occasionally visit with this small group of people...they aren't doing anything but laying around, loaded, eating and dozing off...I'm sure some people arent like that, but I can only base my preferences on MY experiences you know?
 Lady Patience
Joined: 9/20/2007
Msg: 138
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 10:22:28 AM
I'll take a pot smoker over a drinker any day.

In answer to the original question, yes pot is a drug...and if you indulge, you should be truthful on the profile...you do use drugs.
 svj
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 140
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 1:27:13 PM
MsWiz:

Absolutely. Just makin' a lil point. Painting everyone with one brush usually ain't a good idea.

As for how I did it, don't mind me. It's nothin' personal. I just funnin'.

Now where's the merlot???
 velobob
Joined: 8/12/2007
Msg: 142
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 3:01:08 PM
I've known a few people that have smoked pot. All were fairly normal people in every regard. IMHO: They still seemed a lazy compared to the average joe. Seemed all they could look forward to was the next joint. One I knew got inspired artistically while high and turned this into a pretty good business for a while. He was a lazy couch potato the rest of the time. He wised up and gave it up. He quit doing the artwork and within a few years was regional manager for the the company he worked for. He cared nothing about advancing his career prior to giving up the pot!

Aside from all the hype about how enlightening or inspiring it can be. Or how it's not as bad as alcohol. Or how it was the big bad corporations that arranged for it's illegality. Or whatever. Blah, blah blah... The bottom line is it's still illegal in the USA! Period. Full Stop! If you are willing to break this law for no reason other that to get high, then what other laws do you feel justified in breaking just because you "want to"?

Maybe POF should have a "does not break laws" in the mail settings instead of the "does not do drugs"
 vahbsc
Joined: 1/5/2006
Msg: 143
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 3:08:18 PM
ALCOHOL IS MUCH WORSE THAN MARY JANE.

TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.
 MsWizard
Joined: 7/26/2006
Msg: 145
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 6:16:45 PM

MsWiz:

Absolutely. Just makin' a lil point. Painting everyone with one brush usually ain't a good idea.

As for how I did it, don't mind me. It's nothin' personal. I just funnin'.

Now where's the merlot???


Would you settle for Pinot Grigio?
 benyee
Joined: 5/14/2006
Msg: 147
Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/17/2007 9:14:18 PM
what do people consider Drugs?? obviously someone with a daily heroin or coke habit is doing 'drugs'.

My personal definition has to do with the legal status of said substance. MJ, heroin, crack, ecstacy etc. all fall under this category IMO. Of course, prescription drugs are still "drugs", but I generally refer to them as meds or medicine instead.


but what about people who smoke cannabis? do you consider cannabis a drug?

Of course it is. One of the definitions for "drugs" on dictionary.com is: " any article, other than food, intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of humans or other animals." which MJ definitely falls under.


And if you use this contact restriction, why do you use it?

Because I do not want illegal substances in my house. I do not want to date someone who has an addiction that could destroy not only our relationship but put us in potentially dangerous situations (drug dealers are not the greatest people in the world, last I heard). Regarding MJ specifically, I *hate* smoke of any sort. Makes me cough when I pass it on the street. The last thing I want is it in my house.
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