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 Solomon Kane
Joined: 5/28/2006
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And lets remember Our dear president was a cocaine user and alcoholic befor being elected .. We see where that got us
 jcfish
Joined: 7/7/2006
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Must not do drugs....?
Posted: 10/21/2007 8:31:34 AM
Amen to a rational analysis!
 KFGuy
Joined: 8/15/2005
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Posted: 10/21/2007 10:37:25 AM
Dear velobob,

re: your post, see excerpt below, you seem to be emotionally rather than intellectually involved in this thread.

"If you actually "smoke pot occasionally and think all the time", then use some of those brain cells to instruct us sheep why we are making a mistake."


At no time have I advocated the use of marijuana, and I have not posited that you are making a mistake by not smoking. And, I have no wish to convince any one as to how they should conduct their affairs or 'convince' you that non pot smoking is a mistake. My posts are intended to stimulate an INFORMED debate on the issue.

My comment re 'narrow minded bigots" referred to the issue of POF filters and the types of individuals I would like to block,........not to those who abstain or are opposed to THC use......as I said, you are emotionally involved.

I have very strong views on many issues, including alcohol use, racial harmony, children's welfare, the drug industry (whom I consider to be the real "pushers"), animal welfare, politics among others. However I find prosetylizing or otherwise preaching to be counter-productive. I understand that others have differing opinions and believe that constructive debate is healthy.

The issue of drug use is fascinating to me.......north america is drowning in a sea of drugs; anti-depressants and other mood altering drugs, pain killers, OTC medicines, steroids, ritalin, tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, HGH, viagara etc. We are bombarded with media messages that promote happiness thru pharmaceuticals yet our political machine has chosen to demonize a relatively benign drug.

Everyone who has an awareness of current events can see that young men worship the achievements of football players, track athletes, baseball players and the like. Now high school kids eat steroids like M & M's so they can be like their sport heroes.

The history of marijuana prohibition has it's roots in racism, political ambition and economic gain for the established 'ruling class' not empirical science.

It may be difficult for some people to understand that an opinion that differs from theirs is not necessarily 'wrong'........only different. That the recreational use of alcohol or pot does not make one 'bad', or that that abstinence may not make you 'good'.

I do not ask of anyone that they use pot........only that they use their brain,

Still thinking/still smoking (once in a while)
 velobob
Joined: 8/12/2007
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Posted: 10/21/2007 12:37:31 PM
From KFGuy:
…At no time have I advocated the use of marijuana, and I have not posited that you are making a mistake by not smoking. And, I have no wish to convince any one as to how they should conduct their affairs or 'convince' you that non pot smoking is a mistake. My posts are intended to stimulate an INFORMED debate on the issue…<snip>…I find prosetylizing or otherwise preaching to be counter-productive. I understand that others have differing opinions and believe that constructive debate is healthy…
Thank you for the most enlightening (IMHO) pro-marijuana stance so far. I am sorry if I came across as “proselytizing or otherwise preaching” I was trying more to explain the WHY part of MY response to the OP.

As a Christian I am not embarrassed by my beliefs but I fear there are some issues I may be too extreme about. I can turn to those that have the same views as me but that may only serve to reinforce my prejudices. And this is why I come here, to enjoy an informed spirited debate. You educate me and if I am willing to listen to you then you may get an education too.

I have not changed my mind about the "must not do drugs" filter. But now that decision is based on a little better understanding of the issues behind the filter. Good luck and maybe someday we will truly live in a free society.

With that said, I’ll respond if asked but I think I will stay quiet now. I've injected more than enough of my own comments into this thread.
 nebula22
Joined: 8/14/2007
Msg: 226
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Posted: 10/21/2007 4:26:31 PM
Thank you velobob and everyone else for this very lively debate.
I would like to say that the people that i find most distasteful are the hippocrits and bigots.
Having a open mind is a sign of inteligence. We must all strive to keep our minds open so as to be able to make an informed decision.
The world is full of Kings and Queens that will blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
BUT ONLY IF YOU LET THEM..

IT'S HEAVEN AND HELL...
 Djonna
Joined: 7/14/2007
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Posted: 10/21/2007 4:56:59 PM
ok.... I just learned what cannabis is? lol.... Never heard of it called that.
 Djonna
Joined: 7/14/2007
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Posted: 10/21/2007 5:00:38 PM
I think one of the most important things that we lack as people is the ability to respect others opinions on subjects of debate. We all have our own opinions and for whatever reasons we choose to have those opinions, but we should look at some of the posts in forums as a debatable topic and not that of someone forcing any certain subject on another. Forums are for discussion and I think we need to be doing just that and not criticizing others for their own beliefs and/or opinions. I see a lot of bashing in forums which it totally unnecessary. Society lacks something called respect and human decency.
 Not_a_FAT_Slob
Joined: 5/29/2006
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Posted: 10/21/2007 5:24:50 PM

Having a open mind is a sign of inteligence[sic]


That doesn't apply to illegal activities that hurt people either directly or indirectly.

That is NOT open mindness. That is having no mind.
 KFGuy
Joined: 8/15/2005
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Posted: 10/21/2007 11:26:12 PM
Hi velobob,

thanks for your response, if I am ever in Alabama we should get together for a bike ride,

yours in health


M
 chr300
Joined: 4/29/2007
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Posted: 10/22/2007 11:50:24 AM
you guys who are Bashing Weed are idiots and narrow minded, if you need to feel more important then a bong then looks like you got some unresolved abandenment issues.
Once again Doctors perscribe the stuff when nothing else will work .... why because it works!!!
Do some searching on the history of the drug and why its illegal for non medical use in the first place..... let me get u started ..... type in FREEMASONS.

And for god sakes open your eyes and mind.
Alcohol kills every day , cigeretts kill every hour ....Marijuana?? no deaths directly linked
to my knowledge, Just because you had some Stoner bf or gf that didnt know how to actually properly dose the drug proper doesnt mean the drug is at fault.

Use your Heads
 migivadamsbusted
Joined: 4/30/2007
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Posted: 10/22/2007 11:58:08 AM
no deaths from smoking pot so that leaves us with a bunch of fried brained idiots!
 nebula22
Joined: 8/14/2007
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Posted: 10/22/2007 12:38:13 PM
migivadamssbusted,,, Why do you and other self important bigots and hipocrits feel that your opinions are so important to people that are trying to have an inteligent debate?
Your narrow minded attitudes remind me of the people that rebuked columbus for saying the world is round.
Why don't you try reading all about the complete history of hemp instead?
There is a book that was written by Jack Herror about this subject.
The emporor wears no clothes, is the title.....
I do not condone druggies.. But i do like a realistic factual debate.
You give the impresion that you are so closed minded that you are not willing to even learn anything because of youe pre-concieved notions.
 Beware of Muslim
Joined: 9/12/2007
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Posted: 10/22/2007 12:57:12 PM
POF should change that filter to read "must not consume marijuana".
That would end this ridiculous debate.
Pot smokers will always be here. Pot haters will always be here.
I stay away from pot haters. They have a need to force their beliefs on me.
Pot smokers dont walk around trying to force me to smoke pot, they generally mind their own business. Pot haters are mostly.....well.......haters! They are gleeful when they see a pot smoker put in a cage like some vermin. They don't see that person has been violated, they only see their self righteousness shine. They sit on high horses and say stupid words like "you broke the law and you need to be punished". They never get it through their thick helmets that punishment has never solved anything. Ever. Pot smokers have been punished continuously and there is absolutely no evidence anywhere stating pot smoking is on the decline.
I have no problems with the "must not use drugs filter". It works for me too as it filters out the haters . By the way, through my own experiences I have found that pot hating women are mostly crappy in bed anyway.
 RidingRich
Joined: 9/21/2007
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Posted: 10/22/2007 1:57:15 PM
I'm still thinking on taking bets on which profile the OP wanted to email but had a 'must not do drugs' restriction on it.


so.. only looked back 3-4 pages and haven't seen much in the way if intelligent debate from the local potheads and burnouts. have they come up with anything but dogma and derision yet?
 chr300
Joined: 4/29/2007
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Posted: 10/22/2007 2:28:11 PM
nebula , migivadamssbusted is just another stupid person that thinks she knows everything when really, it just shows how stupid she really is with a comment like that. when you pot haters decide to actually research shit , then maybe this thread will go some where. for now, just a bunch of ignorent ideats that are acting on expeiriance rather then fact

 averageblonde222
Joined: 10/16/2007
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Posted: 10/22/2007 2:38:00 PM
I wouldn't date any man that smokes weed just like I wouldn't date a man that smokes cigarettes. It smells and I don't like getting second hand smoke.
 Kronik_Kitten
Joined: 12/26/2006
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Posted: 10/22/2007 3:35:50 PM

Cannabis is a drug. You use it. You are a druggie. You are weak. You have no self control.


I personally think there is a HUGE difference between 'doing drugs' and being 'a druggie'. I have the odd toke of a joint every so often and I certainly do not consider myself a druggie. I have had serious problems with some hardcore drugs in the past and yes, I was in a bad place and nobody should have had to deal with my problems. But now, I have a great job, I enjoy alcohol responsibly, I socialise, I travel, I volunteer. I'm not a bad person, and I certainly don't have a drug problem anymore. I completely respect people who wish to filter out those who chose to dabble. It's your choice, I can imagine it must be awkward sometimes if you don't do drugs and the person you are dating does. A relationship can't work if one person is doing something the other person is strongly against. Like for me, I could never date someone who hunted.

Anyway, just that comment I quoted spurred me to reply. I am simply pointing out that there is a difference between the two.

 Ottpilgrim
Joined: 4/3/2007
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Posted: 10/22/2007 4:35:53 PM
I've always found people who smoke bud to generally be more open-minded and tolerant of others. This is what I look for in partners, so dating potheads might not be that bad a choice for a mate. I can certainly think of far worse things a person can be.
 Heart Bandit
Joined: 5/13/2006
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Posted: 10/22/2007 6:31:45 PM
I can't be involved with anyone who does drugs and that goes for the recreational kind. It's not that I have anything against weed, as I've had my share in my teens. And that was the only kind of drug I ever did.
But with the kind of job I have all I would need is something like that coming up in the ever continuing background checks and I would be the one questioned about it even with them knowing that I'm clean. So, I'm not going to take a chance with that.
 nebula22
Joined: 8/14/2007
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Posted: 10/23/2007 7:05:03 AM
averageblonde222,,,,,, Smoking anything is bad for you... BUT,, marijuana is best consumed by making tea or using it as an ingredient in food, Like brownies...
The reason it is usaly smoked has to do with the prohibition driving the price sky high..
If a person was in a free country and could grow their own , then smoking it would diminish...
Also there is no lethal dose.. You don't die from using this plant..
If the government was to stay out of peoples lives and legalize freedom, many things would change for the better..
Anything can be abused and many things are abused.. The power of government is abused more than anything on earth..
 WindRoper
Joined: 7/24/2007
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Posted: 10/23/2007 7:31:31 AM

Cannabis is a drug.

Why do people insist on perpetuating such ignorance? Cannabis is a plant. It is not processed in any way, shape or form. It is harvested, cured and consumed. It has proven medicinal qualities just like lots of other plants (many of which must be processed, some including the addition of chemicals). I pose the following questions for the more rabid Christian types: 1) Did God create all the plants? 2) Did God give all the plants and seeds to mankind for our use? 3) If so, are you saying that God is evil or stupid? Just like I believe scripture indicates that the ingestion of wine is not a sin but drinking excessively to the point of drunkeness (AKA 'chemical abuse') is, I see marijuana use in much the same light.
No, I no longer use marijuana but if it was legal I probably would imbibe occassionally. If I had a medical need for it and could not obtain 'medical marijuana,' d*** straight I would obtain it by illegal means. As a former recreational user and the ex of someone addicted to truly insidious chemicals (and, no, marijuana was not his gateway drug; that would be alcohol), I do recognize the benefits of marijuana use in specific instances.
 HEVYWGHTS
Joined: 10/3/2007
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Posted: 10/23/2007 8:24:39 AM
[sigh] I love it when people open up there e-mouths stating that yes, marijuana hasnt killed anyone but we have a bunch of brain fried idiots runnign around.

lol... try doing Laplace Transform when you stoned. I use it for work. (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LaplaceTransform.html) Just because you get high doesnt mean you are not intelligent. People that make statements such as the above are ignorant.
 velobob
Joined: 8/12/2007
Msg: 244
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Posted: 10/23/2007 10:01:27 AM
Arghhh… I can’t take it anymore. Pro-cannabis or anti-cannabis: It doesn't matter! we need to understand the issues and quit spouting misinformation. Nebula, KFGuy, et al, can I get a witness?

Windroper: Even by the loosest of definitions Cannabis is a drug just like alcohol, caffeine and nicotine. Just because a substance can be obtained naturally doesn’t mean it isn’t a drug. They all might need to be regulated but not banned.

Just like I believe scripture indicates that the ingestion of wine... I see marijuana use in much the same light.
I have no idea where some of the more mainstream religions got the idea that consuming alcohol in moderation is a sin. In fact when it comes to wine specifically, I do believe abstinence is actually contrary to scripture. I can’t recall where any herb was given the same status but neither can I recall where one was to be avoided.

Since the drug in Cannabis is naturally occurring, if it were legal I do believe I might consider giving it a try too. Where do I sign the petition to legalize it? It’s time we take the profits away from the true criminals and quit turning average citizens into criminals. The current drug laws are pointless and unfair. The attempts to enforce them only consume capital that could be better spent elsewhere.

Until then…
 ecaepydal
Joined: 4/24/2007
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Posted: 10/23/2007 10:08:07 AM

It’s time we take the profits away from the true criminals and quit turning average citizens into criminals. The current drug laws are pointless and unfair. The attempts to enforce them only consume capital that could be better spent elsewhere.




Here, here!
 An Original
Joined: 10/18/2007
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Posted: 10/23/2007 10:40:51 AM
This thread is great if, for no other reason, it indicates how profoundly uneducated and uninsightful the anti-pot crowd is. Hard to believe that functioning adult humans believe some of the primitive, irrational things posted here. In 2007 no less. Incredible. Utterly incredible.

And most of those posters are social drinkers and ex-smokers? Wild...
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