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 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 36
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Would that be a feature POF could consider offering?

Nope, as explained in earlier posts on this Thread.

Sometimes the enforcements tend to sound punitive rather than instructive.

Can become somewhat punitive in Nature when "Instructive" simply does not arrive.

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 junipermoon
Joined: 3/1/2006
Msg: 37
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Posted: 11/4/2007 9:41:44 AM
here's what i started doing:

if i have an issue or a question, i will identify a handful of posters with the ability, insight and/or expertise to respond to my query or discussion topic. then, i email those people directly. this way i get information, advice or opinions directly relating to what i present. i don't have to put up with b.s. or off-topic comments. posters have contacted me off the board in much the same way for months. i finally got a clue and realized it's a remarkably efficient method of discussion and problem-solving.
 Deceased~
Joined: 9/16/2007
Msg: 38
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Posted: 11/4/2007 11:49:41 AM

i will identify a handful of posters with the ability, insight and/or expertise to respond to my query or discussion topic.


I think that is good idea except the method can go wrong if one doesn't choose carefully whose advice they take. Here, you have the advantage of getting the official answer.

If you happened to get incorrect information from that chosen group, they would not be able to save your bacon. The chosen group here is the moderators and their advice will always be guaranteed to be correct. You can't go wrong with that.
 junipermoon
Joined: 3/1/2006
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Posted: 11/4/2007 5:09:10 PM
If you happened to get incorrect information from that chosen group, they would not be able to save your bacon. The chosen group here is the moderators and their advice will always be guaranteed to be correct. You can't go wrong with that.


oops! guess i chose ambiguous wording. let me explain:

i didn't mean this precise thread or this precise issue. i actually spoke more generally and in a broader sense.

for example: i wanted to discuss a particular health issue that i couldn't find information about. i did a thread search and didn't find exactly what i needed. however, i noticed a few people who seemed knowledgeable in the topic. so, rather than start a thread that would get deleted before any valuable input could surface, i emailed 4 people directly. two of them had no experience with it, another hasn't gotten back to me, but the fourth shared personal experience (exactly what i had hoped for) and directed me to a resource i hadn't known about. so, i got the insight i wanted without a lot of hassle. i also make it clear that i will return the favor anytime. a simple, effective approach.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 40
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Posted: 11/4/2007 5:31:25 PM
rather than start a thread that would get deleted before any valuable input could surface, i emailed 4 people directly.

Yup, the Forums are but one Avenue for Information.


i did a thread search and didn't find exactly what i needed.

Then it would not be a redundant Thread.

If you are worried about your Thread being deleted, you can always e-mail any of the Forum Moderators to have the voting suspended and your Thread '"Set-Off" as discussed in the preceding Pages.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 41
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Posted: 11/10/2007 1:29:11 AM

Why delete Redundant Threads? What Difference does it make if we have Dozens of them floating around as long as we stay on Topic.

First and foremost, you need to understand what a Forum is, its Purpose and what Ends it serves.
          Let's Start with the Definition:

Forum noun, (pl. "fora" or "forums") An online Discussion Group. Online Services and Bulletin Board Services (BBS's) provide a variety of Forums, in which Participants with common Interests can exchange open Messages. Reading a Forum's Archives can be a good Way to obtain a basic Knowledge about a Topic, and it also provides a historical Perspective on Trends and Opinions.


That means, everything posted here, which meets the Criterias and Requirements of the Forum Rules and Forum Posting Guidelines will be kept for the Purpose of:

    1.Basic Knowledge about a Topic

    2.Historical Perspective on Trends

    3.Historical Perspective on Opinions

"Historical" implies that it will be archived, read, surveyed or studied by future Readers.

"Trends" implies Change or the Way or Direction something is going or has gone over a Span of Time.

A Topic Thread started in 2003 on Fashions may favour Pastels for Evening Wear, by 2007 it may have shifted to bright and vivid Colours.

In this Example, popular "Opinion" from one Point in Time has changed to another over a Period of 3 Years. That is called a "Trend"

In yet another Instance, a Thread on Dating may have focused on Seduction Techniques on 'First Dates' back in 2004, but common Consensus may have swung Emphasis over to "Long Term" Goals by 2006. Reading such a Thread would clearly demonstrate a Change in the general "Opinion" indicating a different "Trend" over a Course of Time.

These are the Purposes of our Forums. Those who don't want to post to old Threads, request their Deletions, and feel Thread Redundancies are irrelevant simply do not understand the Concept of the Archival Nature of these Forums, do not understand that 'Redundant Threads' impede the Search Functions among all the redundant Clutter, do not understand it doesn't Matter if the Original Poster has long gone or Time has moved forward, as the Topic remains forever.

If we allowed 'Redundant Threads', the "Archival Value" of these Forums would be rendered VOID. Better than 90% of Forum Participants are its Readers, not Posters.

These are not "Fun in the Sun" Delete'em-When-We're-Done-With-Them Forums. Your posted Knowledge and Opinions are important, and forms Part of this timeless Database, your Contributions greatly appreciated.

Plentyoffish will be here for a long Time to come, not some 'Fly by Night' Dating Site. At some Point in the Future, these older Threads will serve as a Knowledge Base and Reflection on "Opinion" and "Trends" of the Past ...


... and this Archive will be its Mirror.


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 bucsgirl
Joined: 5/13/2006
Msg: 42
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Posted: 11/19/2007 4:50:07 PM
"I asked a simple question about men and handling depression."

The most common reason is redundancy, doing a thread search would show if it's been done. As far as understanding the rules, you can always ask for clarification of a specific question or topic here, the mods are incredibly patient and will spell it out so that you understand. Also as someone suggested, if you know another member who posts, email them and see if they can explain something.

Try not to get upset, throwing out profanities isn't helping anyone and could draw you a suspension. Don't take everything or really anything personally. It's just a discussion.
 techgirl27
Joined: 9/5/2005
Msg: 43
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Posted: 11/20/2007 8:59:09 AM
it was a Patriots thread, not a red sox one.
Good example of how some people are really asleep.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 44
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Posted: 12/20/2007 1:40:46 PM
What is redundancy?

Characterized by Similarity or Repetition; Duplicate.


I think its a power trip people get from deleting other posts just because they don't want to talk about it.

Moderators delete Posts, based on Criteria. If you are trying to insinuate we delete them because of "Powertripping" or other questionable Agendas, with these libelous Remarks will find yourself quickly on "Thin Ice".

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So sometimes others who get theres deleted.

No one has any Influence to "get" anything ... Posts are deleted based on Outlines of the Forum Rules and Posting Guidelines in the Links below:

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Forum Posting Guidelines


And those forum rules make no sense by the way!!

Then its a Literacy or Laziness Issue. And if you cannot comply with them, your outta here.

I've read them and it stupid you should have to word it a surtan way.

^^^ definitely minimally a Literacy Issue.
 bucsgirl
Joined: 5/13/2006
Msg: 45
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Posted: 12/20/2007 1:52:23 PM
"We're not in school people grow up!!"

I believe it's been suggested before that you persue the rules for forum posting. They're fairly simple and straighforward. There's thousands of users that post in the forums, we have all had threads deleted. Once someone starts a thread, it's up to the members to keep it chat-free and on topic. If it gets out of control, it's up to be deleted. No worries, it's the way the rules operate, I've never gotten a knot in my bloomers over it.

Speaking for myself, if I don't understand something, I write a mod or one of my other buddies here for clarification or just shrug it off that it doesn't make sense TO ME.

I'll tell you this, if there's something I can answer for you or help you with I'd be happy to. You can email me, I have no restrictions. I'm not an expert by any means, but I'd be glad to help out a fellow member here.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 46
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Posted: 4/2/2008 1:07:42 PM
One glaring problem with this notion of rapidly deleting threads considered redundant by one moderator or another is that the question of what is or is not redundant can be entirely too subjective. You, the moderator, might think at first glance that a thread is redundant, but the intent behind the post is entirely different from the intent of the N posts on the subject you've seen before.

If the Intent is different then clearly show it in the OP. Nevertheless, redundant Threads are tagged as such via Thread Searches, and if very similar or the same, deleted as being redundant.

Another problem with the moderating philosophy here is that it flies in the face of people's expectations when they see "FORUMS" linked at the top. Whatever your own feelings on the usefulness of archiving information might be as a moderator, using a familiar BBcode format attached to a link saying "FORUMS" does set up a certain expectation on the part of the end user.

The End User is expected to post according to the Forum Rules & Posting Guidelines as set out, or ship out.

The Archival Nature was born out of what defines a Forum. Many such Public Boards have become Chat Hybrids. Our Forums are Advisory Databases, not Chat Rooms, nor do we aspire to other Sub-Standards.

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If you'd be inclined to disagree with that, consider for a moment just how much energy has been expended in this forum by moderators justifying the policy of deleting redundant posts.

Irrelevant as you weren't around when Troll Central was running rampant here 4 Years ago, which took more than 10 Times the Resources to clean-up. Your Agreement/Disagreement has no statistical nor experiential Basis, thus neither here nor there.

Then try to find that kind of energy expended in other websites labeled "Forums." You see what I'm getting at?

Yeah, you haven't got the faintest Clue what you are talking about.

In the end, what you've done is tick people off by deleting their posts. You might have the best of intentions, and a deep underlying philosophy of information storage and availability, but that does very little to mitigate the fact that pretty much every time you delete or lock a thread, you've just alienated one or more people, and face it - most people aren't reassured in that event by discussions of information retrieval theory.

These Forums are run on the Basis of "Trial & Error", what works and what doesn't, not on anybody's presumptuous Concepts of Popularities.

Nor are previous unsuccessful & failed Policies reinstated to prove what has already been proven and verified Time and Time again.

~ The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. - Benjamin Franklin ~

I'm willing to bet that 90% of the overall work on POF is devoted to that noisy 2%.

That would pretty well sum it up.

Look, I completely understand the need to tighten up an out-of-control forum, and this site is certainly the sort of place where things can get out of hand if not monitored properly. My argument is that the pendulum has swung much too far in the opposite direction here, and the result will be a smaller pond.

It expands by 200 - 300% annually. Many People appreciate that Public Boards exist where they don't have to fear being trolled, their
Topic hijacked, or the Database rendered useless by innumerous redundant Threads. Were are unique, and by the original Definitions of what Constitutes a Forum, pretty well spot on.

This is an Archival Database whether you like it or not. Not happy, go somewhere else.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 47
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Posted: 4/4/2008 2:12:29 PM
I did read over the rules and it said you cant use the same topic repeatively so I posted "Interracial Dating" in Ask A Guy and specifically noted that I hoped I wasnt breaking any of the rules.

If you are going to make Threads on the Basis of "Hoping" instead of "Searching" for existing Threads on any given Topic, you may end up with any Number of applicable Posting Restrictions.

So, always search first !!!
 blondblueyed
Joined: 8/23/2005
Msg: 48
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Posted: 4/4/2008 10:25:33 PM
^^^ I beleive the event you are talking about isn't so much an exclusive POF get together so much as it is a chance for the hostess to make money by collecting a cover charge for parties at a public venue and so the thread was deleted.
 4realRU
Joined: 4/7/2007
Msg: 49
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Posted: 5/18/2008 12:21:42 PM
"where is the list of deleted threads? can anyone tell me"

On any forum thread page you'll see a 'Mod Tread' link at the top. Clicking on it will take you to that page where you'll also see a clickable 'Deleted Threads' link.
 4realRU
Joined: 4/7/2007
Msg: 50
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Posted: 6/16/2008 8:12:46 PM

Can't people read deleted threads?
Wouldn't that be like someone being able to read/see a deleted profile? Deleted, at least in my mind, means gone, out of here, no longer available for viewing.


There was one deleted today i wanted to read the responses to, it wasn't violating any rule, no chatting was taking place
Chatting is but one of the many reasons for a thread to be deleted. Redundancy, from what I have read, seems to top the list of why threads are deleted. Bottom line, deleted threads are just that, deleted.
 themadfiddler
Joined: 10/16/2006
Msg: 51
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Posted: 6/16/2008 8:50:32 PM


I agree with some of the posters I have seen threads be delted for no reason. its almsot like u have to go to ur email and discuss it that way. this is a forum for discussion, only ur not allowed to discuss things for long anyway. I dont know what to make of it except to expect your thread to be deleted. kinda like when going to a casino expect to lose lol.so say what u got to say before it happens. I read the rules and the rules do not apply to some of the deleted threads. if u ask me there are too many rules for this to be a forum. I think only mean peole who are outright attacting someone is the only threads that should be deleted. otherwise there is jsut no real reason to delete them. maybe he deletes the threads from users he dont like. I dont know. but i do know alot of times it makes no sense to me.


You haven't seen any threads deleted for no reason. If a thread was deleted there was a reason for it and those reasons were described on the first page of this thread, very very patiently by one of the other moderators...complete with extensive links.

Just because you personally were not aware of a rule broken or don't interpret one being broken does not mean that there was not one broken...this is in fact a common defense used by those who have broken a rule ("I didn't see anything wrong with calling that guy a liberal commie coward...after what he said...").

A moderator who deleted posts or threads by "people he didn't like" would not be a moderator for very long. Likewise, the "vote to delete" function on threads is NOT a closed ballot. That means if someone establishes a pattern of voting to delete threads out of spite rather than exercising their community responsibility to only vote off threads that are actually in violation of a rule, they can and will lose that ability in the same way they can be limited in posts or banned from posting altogether.

The rules have been developed over time to make for as level a playing field as possible. They work fine when people abide by them. It's usually only those that can't seem to do so or don't bother to read them in the first place that seem to have a problem...sadly as in real life, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Fortunately here, unlike in real life, calling someone a jerk may only get you banned and not punched in the nose.



Can't people read deleted threads? There was one deleted today i wanted to read the responses to, it wasn't violating any rule, no chatting was taking place, and the 3 posts i missed couldn't have started a chat.... So im confused as to why it was deleted and would like to read the posts i missed.


When a post or thread are deleted, they are gone, gone, gone...never to return. As someone else noted, the primary problem that threads get deleted for is redundancy...it may have been the 5th thread started on that topic. That's what the Search button is for. Again, see above. Just because you are unaware of a forum rule, doesn't mean a rule is not being broken...redundancy is one of the prime causes of thread deletion. I think most of this has been asked and answered already in the first three pages of this thread.

TheMadFiddler - PoF Forum Moderator.
 Ferruginous
Joined: 5/12/2008
Msg: 52
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:01:17 PM

and i have no clue as to why it is gone...can i get any answers here? it was headed: : "prefer not to say in a profile".
I'm guessing that it was deleted for being annoyingly redundant
 blondblueyed
Joined: 8/23/2005
Msg: 53
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:12:29 PM
From what I have observed the most common reasons for deletion are redundancy, off topic to the forum, protests and threads that have spiraled into bash fests.

How many threads do you need in order to realize there are people that will or won’t reply and why?

Someone wants to inquire or ask advice about a dating experience but post it in the Poem and Quotes forum.

Someone has joined and after three days didn’t get laid so they scream about a free site being a rip off and all men/woman are heartless manipulating users.

A thread that might possibly have started out to be an interesting unique discussable topic always seems to have a moron or seven that just want to take each other to task and not the subject. When this goes on for 50 pages before the Mods are alerted at times it is easier for them to just delete the thread than to sift through to delete all the bashing posts.


Can't people read deleted threads?


You can’t actually read the thread anymore once it has been deleted. You can view the thread topic that was deleted by clicking on Mod Threads at the top of most of the forum pages which will take you to a list of threads up for voting and at the top of that page is Deleted Threads. You can see which Mods deleted threads, no Mod name I believe means it was a community voted off thread.

**Edit** I entered the words "Prefer not to say" in the search thread title and there are about 5 or 6 current threads with that in the title.

 themadfiddler
Joined: 10/16/2006
Msg: 54
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:24:39 PM

i have posted to many threads in the ask a guy forum...only this week did i start a thread in ask a gal forum- it got lots of hits and a few answers and now it's gone...it was within all rules (i read them) and i have no clue as to why it is gone...can i get any answers here? it was headed: : "prefer not to say in a profile".

thanks for any help here.


What forum was that again...Oh yeah...Ask a Troll. Excuse me a moment.





That's better. Yeah...as this question has only been answered a half dozen times in this thread alone I'm not going to grace that with a response except to say the question itself is highly illustrative of why I join with tickettoride in saying those two forums should be nuked from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.



A thread that might possibly have started out to be an interesting unique discussable topic always seems to have a moron or seven that just want to take each other to task and not the subject. When this goes on for 50 pages before the Mods are alerted at times it is easier for them to just delete the thread than to sift through a delete all the bashing posts.


Well put. Thank you.

When we have to make so many trips back to a thread even after warning the inhabitants, banning several and rolling it back to the last relevant post or surgically removing irrelevant and flame posts left and right, deleting offtopic ones till it becomes like a game of "Operation" there comes a point of diminishing returns. Kind of like this thread. And I think no one can be given any answers more "real" than the ones they have been given. Anyone who can't get it by now won't get it in a hundred more answers either. Read the whole thread. Read it again. And don't ask again.
 Ferruginous
Joined: 5/12/2008
Msg: 55
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Posted: 7/2/2008 6:40:52 PM
someone is witch hunting you
Contrary to your wild conspiracy theory, threads don't get deleted unless rules are violated.

If someone is "witch hunting" you, the "witch hunters" can't get your thread deleted, unless some sort of rules were violated.



they can still get deleted if someone hijacks them
What I've noticed:
Usually if someone hijacks a thread, and the mods notice it: the hijacking posts are removed and the thread remains (unless the entire thread violated rules.

probably 99%+ of the threads I've noticed get deleted, broke some rule in the opening post



I dont see why the delete process include an automatic email that does include the votes (not the voter's names of course) so a poster has a genuine chance if they are genuine, of correcting their behaviour.
Rules to these forums are plastered all over. Often in big, bold bright red letters, saying things like"**Read this BEFORE posting** ", or "Please Read Before Posting"
Why should the moderators of this forum waste their time babysitting the people who don't bother to read them?
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 56
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Posted: 7/2/2008 7:31:07 PM
It doesnt matter how long your thread has remained unmolested, if it suddenly comes to a moderators attention i.e someone is witch hunting you....... then if there is anything slightly iffy about it then it goes.

A Thread may require Cleaning or Deletion depending what is required to get the Topic back on Track.

you are guilty but we arent telling you what of and you are already sentenced without a chance to plead your case. Thats not exactly in the spirit of a community is it people?

Spirit? We don't have Time for that. E-Mail the Admin to install an Army of Mods for that, 'cause I certainly won't.

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they can still get deleted if someone hijacks them so you cant win

As in all Matters, nothing is foolproof, but this simply doesn't happen for the most part. Those who troll and chat up Threads get banned, so the Issue is mute.
 Ferruginous
Joined: 5/12/2008
Msg: 57
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:40:33 PM
no need to get personal
I simply responded to a comment you made in an open public forum.

The term "conspiracy theory" was refering to your claim that a group of "witch hunters" were deleting your threads.
Unless you have any sound basis for that claim, it is a conspiracy theory.


yes but how do you know the post has broke a rule
As another poster already pointied out:
by familiarizing yourself with the forum rules and posting guidelines





unless you have time to check every single thread
I wasn't refering to "every single thread".
I was refering to the threads which I personally noticed that would get deleted. With most of them, there was at least one rule which I'd noticed being broken in the opening post.
 Ticketoride
Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 58
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:46:58 PM
then if there is anything slightly iffy about it then it goes.
therefore I did admit the possiblity that there is a technical error in the thread, so why highlight part of my post?

Because it is incorrect, as my earlier Response clearly indicates.

Threads are not deleted based on "Iffy's"
 uiop999
Joined: 6/24/2008
Msg: 59
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Posted: 8/18/2008 3:55:02 AM
Its amazing what threads people will delete for no REAL reason,other than they think they are our nannies.2 days ago i posted a thread in the `off topic` section asking about people who have worked in circuses and what the life was like and such.The next day i looked in my mail and it said `thread deleted`,of course you get no reasons in your mail and i hadnt monitored my thread as i am not a `forum god`,i dont protest other thread (due to the fact that besides bad language or personal attacks,it shouldnt be anyones concern what a thread is about) and im not on here 24/7 trying to appease my ego.

So it is a mystery and i cant be bothered trying to work it out.All i know is if the people who voted to delete threads had their user name shown when they vote they wouldnt be so arrogant.

But fortunately i save my threads (most of the time) so i usually just repost at different times and eventually there arent enough heros paying attention and it slips through anyway.
 uiop999
Joined: 6/24/2008
Msg: 60
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Posted: 8/18/2008 6:29:40 AM

And that's how ^ one may end up losing their privilege of being able to post new threads on the forums.


So im supposed to sit here and write a post that doesnt hurt anyone or cause an international incident for twenty minutes,put a lot of thought and effort into it and the have someone wipe it out in one click of a mouse button? and then have half a dozen sheep think to themselves `hey ill join in too!`? Like i said if people really had a problem with things others had posted and had a legitimate beef then why not display who deleted yoou and what their reasons were,or even when a post or thread is deleted and you get your happy email telling you,then have a list of who voted and their reasons.

See my problem is that i am sure there are two people in particular that are keeping their eyes out for what i post,because whenever i have had something deleted they always seem to have posted not long after.As far as im concerned it is straight arrogance when you have put heaps of thought and effort into something only to have a `forum god` decied its not up to site standards.Im not talking about the moderaters or anything,i mean your average poster who sits on here 24/7,looks through every thread and puts their 2 cents worth in about things that usually have nothing to do with them and deletes threads because it gives that bit of power when their vote wins.

When hese smug people see something they might not like and it is harmless,then they need to move on.

This forum is called ` Plentyoffish Site/Suggestions/Help` so here is a suggestion : If my posting can be restricted thats fine but how about restricting the number of times a week or a day that people can choose to delete a post or thread?Then if my harmless thread (yes they are) keep getting deleted then maybe my `stalked by deleters` theory will be disproved,but until then im sticking by my guns.

Thanks for the post oldsoul
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